The 10 People Who Have Stayed Dead in Superhero Comics
Posted at 5:05 AM Sep 04, 2008
By Alicia Ashby
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For some reason, when you put “superhero” and “comics” and “monthly” together, death becomes a hilariously temporary condition. That’s because longevity in superhero comics—in every form of ongoing serial fiction, really—comes down to winning popularity contests. A popular character that dies, or a character involved in a particularly famous death scene, is coming back eventually. People will keep requesting it until some editor breaks down and dreams up a stunt, or some writer gets inspired. Admittedly, some fans of superhero comics really like this aspect of the genre, claiming it always gives later writers a way to undo “unjust” or stupid deaths written by earlier writers.
These fans are, well, idiots. The only death scenes that get retroactively messed with in comics are generally those that were good enough for people to pay attention to in the first place. Anything truly terrible gets an “it was actually a robot clone” sort of retcon that results in the offending story never happening at all. This logic is why Bucky of all people got his death reversed, while Marvel can’t be bothered to keep track of whether Northstar is alive or dead at any given point in time. Does “In this issue: NORTHSTAR DIES” make you want to read a comic? No, me either.
The result of this editorial skew toward the flamboyant is one simple fact: all of the most truly awful, terrible, and damningly stupid comic book deaths are those least likely to be undone by resurrections. It is far more likely that the character is going to be replaced with another character, or the whole thing quietly ignored. So, this list ranks ten superhero comic book characters that died those stupid, needless, or simply ill-advised deaths.
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10) Doctor Light
Doctor Light was never really a good character: a disposable gimmick villain that got punched by the Justice League, a sad joke who failed to fight the Titans, the briefly interesting milquetoast of the Suicide Squad, an incoherent '90s period where he lived in Green Lanter’s power battery or some shit… and then Identity Crisis. Do you know what Identity Crisis did to make sense out of this guy’s wildly inconsistent characterizations?
It made him a serial rapist.
In a single story, Brad Meltzer managed to turn Dr. Light into one of Cartman’s creations from the Woodland Critter Christmas episode. As you recall, those guys are funny for exactly thirty minutes, and then you’re bored and want to watch something else. So, not surprisingly, Dr. Light’s number has already come up. In Final Crisis Revelations #1, the Specter needs to shank some dudes so we’re all shocked when he can’t shank the big bad guy, Libra. Dr. Light happens to be an available shank-target. When the Specter tracks him down, he’s paying hookers to… uh…
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… yeah. Perhaps moved by pity for how fucking ridiculous Dr. Light’s appearances are getting, the Specter executes him with more dignity than he deserves. He turns him into a human-candle hybrid and sets him on fire.
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As they say, the light that burns briefest burns brightest. (Final Crisis: Revelations #1, August 2008)
9) Sabretooth
I can see you guys getting ready to call foul over this one, but look at it this way. Wolverine has become so ridiculously overexposed in the Marvel Universe that his supposed “greatest foe” can be unceremoniously dead for a year following a disastrously stupid Jeph Loeb storyline, and no one has really noticed. Much like Crystal Pepsi and car phones, Sabretooth is something a post-'90s word no longer needs.
That said, Sabretooth manages to die in a fantastically idiotic fashion for a character that was once so important. You see, Wolverine has a magic katana made out of his own soul that nullifies mutant healing factor. Wait—I'm not sure you caught that. Wolverine has a fucking magic katana made out of his own soul that nullifies mutant healing factor. Ahem.
Anyway, that jackass new villain they’ve been pushing over in Wolverine Origins, Romulus, is kidnapping and mind-controlling and doing generic shadowy X-Men villain bullshit to a bunch of different “feral” mutant characters. Sabretooth has completely lost his mind and become a shambling beast. This is played for pathos, but also features fucking hilarious shit like this:
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Wolverine goes all Frank Miller noble samurai on us and has bunch of internal monologue about honor that, well, reads like Jeph Loeb wrote it. Then he goes out, finds Sabretooth in the forest, and lops Sabretooth’s head off. No, I don’t know what’s up with how the camera is mostly focused on Sabretooth’s ass.
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Sabretooth is okay with this, probably realizing how fucking ridiculous he looks and how long he’ll need to be off-camera before anyone’s going to take him seriously again. Of all the guys on this list, Sabretooth is probably the most likely to come back, but don’t expect it to happen for at least five or ten years. Wolverine’s got so much shit going on these days he doesn’t really need an arch-nemesis. (Wolverine Vol. 3 #55, July 2007)
8) Skyman
No one’s going to bother bringing back this sad fucker. He was a non-character to begin with, a redshirt there to make the villain look like more of a badass. I read all of 52, and re-read some of it before I wrote this, and I seriously couldn’t tell you what this guy’s powers were or how he acted. I do remember that his given name was Jake, and that he dated Natasha Irons when she was part of Luthor’s Infinity Inc. Remember, the plot they had to get rid of so the rest of the book could be more awesome?
Anyway, Skyman’s role in the story is, essentially, to be a victim of murder and cannibalism. He’s not even the only character in 52 who, from day one, was pretty clearly intended to be noshed on by a more important baddie. That said, while the scene where Sobek eats Osiris is pretty fucking awesome, Skyman is so lame that he gets taken out by nasty shape-shifting bad guy Everyman off-panel. Everyman copies someone’s appearance by ingesting a little bit of their body, but his name is also Hannibal—seriously, fucking Hannibal!—so he also just eats people for the hell of it.
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I know I’m supposed to find shit like this horrifying, but it’s really just bad writing on par with the absurdity of Dr. Light, insatiable humpmaster. I’m supposed to take this seriously? Really? I mean, your big reveal for Everyman being a monstrous cannibalizing shape-shifter is a scene where he ups and decides to show Natasha Jake’s corpse? What’s great about this scene is that Everyman’s apparently been gnawing on Jake for quite awhile, but the wounds are still fresh and bloody, and there aren’t any signs of rigor mortis setting in. Maybe Everyman was storing him in some really big Tupperware between meals. (52 #39, January 2007)
7) Goliath (Bill Foster)
Bill Foster initially debuted in Avengers #32, penned in 1966 by Stan the Man himself. He is presented, without any comment or qualification, as the only scientist in America brilliant enough to act as Henry Pym’s lab assistant. He also appears during one of the better early Avengers storylines, where the team is fighting a group of coded white supremacists called the Sons of the Serpent.
Seriously, sit there and think about this shit for a second. In 1966, when most black people in the U.S. couldn’t even be assured of their voting rights because the Civil Rights war was still being fought, a New York Jew was writing about a brilliant black biochemist hanging out with the Avengers. Whatever else I have ever written, or will write, about Stan Lee’s writing prowess, I’ll say this: the man has balls of steel and a heart of gold.
So let’s jump ahead forty goddamn years. What do the heirs and stewards of Stan’s many creations decide to do with a groundbreaking character like Bill Foster, in their story about the ever-present tension between freedom and security?
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Why, a lily-white evil Norse uebermenschen blows his heart out with a bolt of lightning! By the way, did I mention that Henry Pym is one of the assholes who helped make the evil Thor clone that did the deed? (Civil War #4, September 2006)
6) Maxwell Lord
Poor DC. So many of the scenes of death and dismemberment they’ve written into their books recently have just been exercises in black comedy. For instance, take the death of Maxwell Lord, an event that was supposed to be a super big deal for Wonder Woman’s future characterization and a bunch of events planned out for then-brewing Infinite Crisis. The scene as written is just fucking hilarious.
The big theme of this issue is that Max Lord has mind-controlled Superman. Batman has spontaneously become an asshole, so all of the counter-measures Superman trusted him with just in case of this event aren’t going to get fucking used. Instead, evil mind-controlled Superman and Maxwell Lord are Wonder Woman’s problem.
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Of course, if Wonder Woman had been allowed to give Superman the prompt ass-beating she realistically could? Then Max would’ve required a light backhand and maybe some tranquilizers to handle. No, instead she has to take out Superman by throwing her tiara through his neck all Sailor Moon style, and tie up Max Lord with her magic lasso.
Max mwa-ha-has about how she can’t keep him tied up forever (which… actually she could, or long enough to find another way to deal with him, but whatever), and then boasts that the only way she can ever free Superman would be to kill him. In a scene with comic timing so goddamn perfect it had to be intentional, Wonder Woman thinks this over, and then…
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Fucking classic, is what that is. (Wonder Woman #219, July 2005)






Comments
Loved this article! The next one should be about the retarded attempts at relaunches. (Red/blue Superman, Supernatural punisher, etc.) The one that still makes no sense, and should have stayed dead was Jason Todd, a character so hated, the fans voted on his death, and was then brought back as a batman villain.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 10:37:37 AMDidnt Gwen Stacy make some come back in some Alt/dream/hell/heaven universe? I can rememer reading something off a wiki page about that...
Posted 09/04/2008 at 11:03:19 AMHmm, I thought the point of the scene was that the lasso was forcing Max to tell the truth, and killing him really was the only way to permanently break his control over Superman.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 11:07:51 AMAlicia, hon...you have waaaay too much time on your hands and should really see a therapist about those anger issues.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 11:08:46 AMSheeeesh.
Someday Maxwell Lord will come back and show that Identity and Inifinite Crisis was a really crappy dream and then the Super Buddies will all go to Disney World and live happily ever after in a world where most of them aren't dead or evil for no apparent reason.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 11:38:54 AMKraven. Shotgun in the mouth.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 01:54:38 PMSome of those characters jsut wont accept the fact tthat they are not returning! www.useurl.us/17n
Posted 09/04/2008 at 02:00:16 PMYou guys forgot one of the most relevant death in comics:
Posted 09/04/2008 at 02:00:39 PMUncle Ben. Uncle Ben's death altered Peter Parker's life and made Spiderman what he is today. And Uncle Ben gave us the probably the most well know quote in history: "With great power comes great responsibility..."
You guys forgot one of the most relevant death in comics:
Posted 09/04/2008 at 02:03:16 PMUncle Ben. Uncle Ben's death altered Peter Parker's life and made Spiderman what he is today. And Uncle Ben gave us the probably the most well know quote in history: "With great power comes great responsibility..."
I expected Superman to be #1. His rebirth was the death of the comic book industry. Also, he's getting old.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 02:45:38 PMdude Cypher wasn't Math Man... He was able to speak any language (Hence the Name (de) Cypher... and besides he survived briefly after this by merging with Warlock before he was overtaken by the techno organic virus.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 02:59:22 PMwhen cypher said "he has a gun" wolfsbane thought he was talking about the guy in the power suit, who has the machine gun barrels on his suit, hence the wrenching
Posted 09/04/2008 at 03:20:32 PMHow long before J'onn J'onzz returns? (Until Geoff Johns gets his hands on him, I say.)
I loved this article!
Posted 09/04/2008 at 03:45:07 PMUm. Rorschach anyone? haha. how about Jason Todd?
Posted 09/04/2008 at 04:06:59 PMDr Light isn't still dead.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 04:27:38 PMThe book "The Physics of Superheroes" has an interesting discussion of how Gwen Stacy really died. There's a YouTube clip from it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVpwjYgvgg
Posted 09/04/2008 at 04:58:27 PMWhy, a lily-white evil Norse uebermenschen blows his heart out with a bolt of lightning!
I'm probably gonna regret asking this but... are you saying that in your world, no blond white character is ever, under any circumstances allowed to kill a black character? Sounds kind of limiting...
Posted 09/04/2008 at 06:02:55 PMLOL #3's robot is really Bender in disguise. As a matter of fact, that entire excerpt from that comic should be turned into a futurama yadda yadda yadda
Posted 09/04/2008 at 06:12:52 PMyeah, wolfsbane never noticed the other gun, so cypher did actually save her life. good job almost ruining the one heroic thing cypher ever did, though. How did you get it so wrong?
Posted 09/04/2008 at 07:34:05 PMWhat does Superman have to do with Spider-Man?
Posted 09/04/2008 at 07:43:53 PMhey c. , i think Kraven did come back in one of the early issues of Todd McFarlane's Spiderman series years ago
Posted 09/04/2008 at 07:55:26 PMOnce again, another great list.
Posted 09/04/2008 at 08:57:07 PMI was thinking superman as #1... but this is a great list...
Posted 09/04/2008 at 11:57:56 PMHow about Jean Grey? Her (first) death as the Dark Phoenix was incredibly well done. She wasn't murdered as part of some villains scheme to fuck with the main superhero, she sacrificed herself out of fear that the power she possessed would one day destroy everything she cared for, and for years, she was never meant to come back (except in flashbacks/memories/etc.) But eventually, she was brought back (having retroactively been replaced by the Phoenix Force) for X-Factor, and from that point on, Jean Grey dying and coming back became ridiculous.
Gwen Stacy came back as a clone in the main universe. She appeared in the Ultimate Universe and ended up dead there...as well as cloned again.
Kraven died a bit before McFarlane's run, in DeMatteis' Fearful Symmetry storyline (aka Kraven's Last Hunt).
Uncle Ben's death was dumb and he wasn't a useless character like most of the characters on this article. His was a significant death that has never been reversed.
Posted 09/05/2008 at 06:06:30 AMWhat about Magik/Iliana Rasputin? She was kind of the centerpiece tragedy of the whole legacy virus...
Posted 09/05/2008 at 06:51:31 AMKyle flew off to save a future city that somehow landed in his present city from an earthquake. When he came back, he found Alex in the fridge.
Posted 09/05/2008 at 03:26:51 PMGreen Lantern Books On Sale At www.TopComicBooks.com
Posted 09/06/2008 at 01:29:24 AMtopcomicbooks.com
Posted 09/06/2008 at 02:26:04 AM"...Tattooed Middle-Aged Alien Fighter..."
Is that a reference to "Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills?!?"
(IMDb it, it's real.)
Posted 09/06/2008 at 05:13:49 PMTopcomics....... I don't appreciate spammers. I will never ever buy anything from you as a result.
Posted 09/28/2008 at 01:52:04 AMI have not paid attention to comic books for years since Marvel went crazy. I do remember how upset I was when they sacrificed Cyber for his adamantine that they ended up not giving to Wolverine. Cyber was my favorite villian and about the only character that Wolverine was afraid of. And he is eaten by outer space pirahannas that eat everything but adamantine. Lame
Posted 10/14/2008 at 10:40:58 PMI remember reading an old Captain America comic (mid 80's) where a lame old retired villian named Porcupine Man was going through some hard times and trying to pawn off his old suit. He ended up stumbling upon Cap scrapping it out with the Serpent Society (a bunch of baddies with different snake-like powers). He ended up coming to Caps aid and taking a venemous fang intended for him. Cap took his armour and put it on display in the Avengers Mansion as tribute to his one heroic act. Not a stupid death but that guy's gotta be gone for good and if he isn't then I hate comics.
Posted 11/09/2008 at 08:41:20 PMRob Liefeld sucks nards.
Posted 11/10/2008 at 07:28:08 AMGood article, regarding Doug:
They left out how happy everyone was at the end of the issue with
their new costumes.
I also liked the next issue when they left in a snit over Magneto
Posted 11/10/2008 at 09:21:59 AMhaving the temerity to be infuriated at them for getting a team member
killed. As he says "He has to call up Doug's parents and tell them
their child is dead".
Actually DC did kind of bring back Alexandra DeWitt; the disjointed mess happened in Green Lantern: Circle of Fire #1 which was later incorporated into the Graphic Novel Green Lantern: Circle of Fire. Supposedly this Alexandra DeWitt came from a reality where *she* rather than Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern but it is later revealed that she along with the GLs that show up to help fight this new villain called Oblivion are all creations of Kyle;s ring. At which point the reader go back to reading post-Crisis pre-ZH Hawkman because THAT makes more sense.
Posted 11/11/2008 at 07:24:11 AMThe only thing worse than killing a comic-book character is cheapening the book by bringing them back.
Posted 11/29/2008 at 07:51:15 AMDoes Dr. Light count, as he died 3 months ago? The miniseries that he died in hasn't even finished. Also Brendan: Jason Todd is alive and well. And Kraven did come back as a zombie. No, really. He did.
Posted 12/21/2008 at 10:59:31 PMHey! Lol i LIKED the revamped Dr. Light. While i thought the mindwipe explaniation was retarded, making him not only possess the powerlevel he -rightfully- should have, and totally taking any morals away from him, to the point where hed rape a chick if he felt like it, made him the monster that DC needed.
And, Doug Ramsey IS back (or is coming back thanks to his images being added to the new "New Mutants" lineup), so you gotta take him off that list.
for those that mentioned Magik, shes on the same team as Ramsey. And, Jason Todd isnt dead, hes not only the current Red Hood, hes got his own batman title.
Posted 06/05/2009 at 07:01:30 AMGreat list, but the title should be different, like 10 people you stayed dead because of reatarded deaths or something like it.
i agree with your Gwen Stacy remark, apparently realistic physics only applied to Gwen and not any one else.
Posted 06/25/2009 at 01:47:03 PMThe tragic battle where Cypher gets killed has some nice sound effects in it. Check it out--in one panel we've got (among others) the classic 'budda budda budda,'slam,' and a 'wump.'
I would love to see you guys write an article called 'the Top Ten Stupidest Sound Effects in Comics.' I know Don Martin did a piece on it back in the '60s (I believe 'fweeeeeeeeeeeeen' was the 'sound of Plastic Man giving the finger to somebody on the tenth floor') but I'd like to see a more serious summary of this important subject.
I long since sold all my comics for crack money, sadly, but I think The Savage Sword of Conan the Barbarian (TSSOCTB) would be a good place to start...I think they got an avalanche that goes 'Uurrrr-gaddagaddagadda'in there some place.
Posted 07/02/2009 at 06:09:14 AMFine work here, Topless Robot people, you are Gods among men.