AAAAnd we have someone here writing articles about something they know nothing about. Speaker was not a 'direct' sequel in that it took place 3000 years after the first book. The Shadow series is a completely different story that revolves around a minor character in Ender's Game, named Bean/Julian.

Next time you try to write out a little tirade about how you're upset that someone doesn't agree with your views on homosexuality, at least try to familiarize yourself with the material you're going to go on about, dumbass.

Found some
http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=600093427
http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=544211715&chapter=2

I appreciate your sticking up for us.

Love

Facepalm seems a bit touchy don't they.

Ugh, this guy makes me sick >.>
And to contribute to the cause, I bring you...and entire LJ Group :o!

http://community.livejournal.com/enderslash/

Have at it ;)

I haven't read his rant but have you ever considered that judicial vigilantism could destroy a democratic republic like the USA.

Picture this, millions..wait a minute.... MILLIONS of Californians said no to gay marriage so a couple judicial vigilanties said screw the voters we're going to ignore the will of the people and do whatever the hell we want and start making the laws WE WANT. That's what communists and facists do. In this country we supposedly have a voice, but that voice was muted by the California judiciary.

I'm in favor of gay marriage but I voted yes a few days ago to ban gay marriage because I don't like the way the judges and lawyers and whomever else went behind the peoples backs.
Offer gay marriage to me again and as voter and I'll vote iin favor of it... and if it loses again... keep trying... its the LEGAL democratic process.

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Here, where I sit, is Toronto. It's a pretty gay town. Two things. Gay marriage is legal. Shockingly, our confederation still stands. Secondly, time is not on your side. If you are against gay marriage, count the remaining days.

Thanks Rob, this write up made my day. But now you've gotta pony up with the Ender Slash Fiction! Don't let us down!

civil rights should be in the hands of the voting public and civil rights laws are made to not only protect minorities, but give them the same rights as the majority. This is not communism or fascism. This is growing and expanding as a forward thinking, modern and fair country.

Gay marriage, like giving women the vote, abolishing slavery and segregation were all civil rights that needed to be put into place. If there had been a vote with the general public, do you think the results would have been forward thinking and positive? Or do you think thing would have stayed the same? All minority groups that are persecuted or have their basic civil rights as an equal member of this community need them protected by the government and the law. There are too many out there who are scared, bigoted, ignorant and simply hate-filled towards those who are deemed different. Such votes should not be in the hands of the people.

Rob, I never knew this man has such retarded, hate-filled and prejudiced thoughts. I will not be touching his books.

I will do what I can to find such gay fan fiction for you.

oops, I meant to say should NOT be in the hands of the voting public.

The public can bring about change through voting in officials and politicians.

Gay marriage will not end the world. It will not plunge the US into a fascist or communist society.

The subject is more than whether two people of the same sex can marry or not, but rather about giving this group of citizens the same rights that you enjoy.

The same old battle that has been fought for years.

The role of government and the judicial system is to rule, make laws and govern. To listen not only to the voice of the people, but do right by those who are treated as less than everyone else around them.

rant over.

Card's views on homosexuality are predictable enough, given that he's a Mormon, and it's useful to see a clearly articulated expression of conservative Americans' most extreme anti-gay-marriage views (i.e. that gay marriage is an existential threat to Card's own marriage and that tolerance for homosexuality represents "abduction-in-advance of [our] grandchildren" - see his 2004 essay on the subject at http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html).

But Card's extreme conservatism doesn't stop there: he also views all liberals as irredeemable traitors, worships the military with a fervor bordering on idolatry, and regards opponents of torture as empty-headed pantywaists. Such are the views espoused in his 2006 novel EMPIRE - which, Card observes in his afterword, is a pretty fair rendition of his own personal beliefs and fears. (As a special bonus, an entire chapter of EMPIRE is essentially a giant reach-around to the only objective journalist in America, Bill O'Reilly. No, not a thinly-disguised version of Bill O'Reilly, the ACTUAL Bill O'Reilly.) Apart from its usefulness as a window into Card's political mind, EMPIRE is a dreadful novel, full of wooden characters and unbelievable plot turns.

Science fiction is full of right-wingers - John Scalzi, Ben Bova, and Jerry Pournelle come immediately to mind - but most of them manage to keep their more outre political views in the background of their fiction, or put those views in the service of an interesting story (which, of course, makes it more likely that readers will take the authors' opinions seriously). I suspect that Card, however, is no longer more interested in story-telling than in advancing his own reactionary agenda. Perhaps the "new" Ender novel will prove otherwise, but I'm not counting on it.

Whoops, slipped one too many parentheses into the link in the previous post. Correct address follows:

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

Same-sex marriage is gay.

i find the fact that Jesus looks for porn on the internet disturbing.
other then that I agree with what you say.

"Science fiction is full of right-wingers - John Scalzi, Ben Bova, and Jerry Pournelle come immediately to mind"

I'm pretty sure John Scalzi would disagree with you on that point.

Dahlia
"The role of government and the judicial system is to rule, make laws and govern"

The role of the judicial system is to obey the laws as well and the voters are a part of that process... the most important part. To take the will away from millions of Californians is what tyrants do.
By your logic those same lawmakers could make anything they want legal or illegal wether the people want it or not.
Lets take for example dueling. It's illegal in every state and if it were put to a vote I suspect the voters would vote against legalizing it... By your logic a judiciary with a wild hair and an itchy trigger finger (or someone in the gun industry who likes to bribe folks is black robes)could legalize it "to protect the minority of one or two guys whom may want dueling legalized" and POW.. law of the land; you even look at somebody funny and your challeneged to a duel.
When Californians and Americans loose the right to say yes or no to the governement we no longer have the United States of America, we have a sham totalitarian government.

Aaaaaaaaaaand despite what people say marriage is not a "right"... it's not even close. Freedom of speech is a right but not gay marriage. Maybe someday it will be but for now it isn't. In California you can get a power of attorney and a civil union licence and have the same rights as a married couple.

So the question to Americans is whether or not gay marriage is important enough to strip the rights of the voting public from having their say. I say not.

Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue...Can anyone show me where any marriage is a right?

It can't even be on the level of racial discrimination...I have met several ex-homosexuals, I have never met an ex-black (Michael Jackson doesn't count) or an ex-hispanic.

I can't even justify homosexuality based on evolution. How have they passed the gay gene along if they can't reproduce.

California got it right, marriage is between 1 man and 1 women. Nothing else. Don;t try to redefine thousands of years of marriage to make your wacky lifestyle valid in everyone else's eyes. Gays shouldn't be discriminated against, or attacked because of their behavior...but they also don't get to re-define a benefit to society.

And if you don't like an authors stance on a subject, then put down his book and read something else...I could careless if your offended by his personal view...he has that right and you have the right to read something else.

Move along moron

Dear "Mat",

When calling someone else a "moron", it's probably better if you don't look like one yourself:

"I could careless if your offended by his personal view...he has that right and you have the right to read something else."

First of all, people who use ellipses in the place of using the space bar? Morons. People who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"? Morons. And lastly, people who come in and inform the writer that they couldn't care less about the writer being offended, but that THEY are offended by what he wrote?

Yep, you guessed it. Morons.

Move along, moron.

Card is a tool. He's never written a readable book since Ender's Game, and he ripped the best parts of it off from several other classics.

And to the guy who lumped Scalzi in with the right wingers among the sci-fi elite: no. Not even close. Read his blog sometime (search John Scalzi whatever) and you'll see how wrong you were on that one.

He's been going on about Gay marriage for almost a decade now. Where have you been?

Card is sort of like Frank Miller. They both used to be considered talented writers years ago (feels like a lifetime ago),but time has turned them into rambling lunatics.
Those of you defending Orson Scott Card should actually read some of his diatribes. Forget Geico,Card is the one giving his fellow cavemen a bad name.

Card is just growing old and is having a midlife crisis that has turned him uber-religious. As his books progressed on, Christianity suddenly became the One True Religion (tm), the evil heathen pequininos (since, you know, we can't get any more f#$king patronizing by calling an alien species 'little boys') are evil until converted to Jesus-ism, and in the Shadow novels, he starts making a mockery of every faith, suggesting that Islam now worships their new caliph Alai and that Hindus are shallow and stupid enough to anoint a battle school graduate as a goddess, never mind that modern hinduism is monotheistic.

Honestly, I no longer care what the hell Card thinks. He's your average reactionary American who still holds onto the times when the evil commies were the bad guys and the conservative Jeebus-loving Amurricans were the good guys, and we already know his church exerts enough pull regardless - look what they did with Proposition 8.

Seems like the anti-Card forces are finally gearing up.

I wrote on this subject several months ago http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/?p=2827
and
http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/?p=2992

If you are interested in this particular subject, take a look at the various links in those two posts.

As for "public votes" and "activist courts" - do you people not know how the system works?

People are free to vote for or against whatever they want to - even enshrine bad ideas into law - and the courts have always been in a position to overturn popular voting when whatever that gets voted in is unconstitutional.

I the courts rule for or against something that the "people" are really against, they can then try to convince Congress to legislate new laws that bring things back to constitutionality with an amendment.

Courts don't just rubber stamp: they HAVE ALWAYS had to interpret past decisions in the light of new circumstances. Always.

I am the ignorant loser who called John Scalzi a "right-winger," and I wish to acknowledge that I was terribly, irremediably wrong. I'm probably wrong about Orson Scott Card, too.