Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell Doing Something Evil on Iron Man 2
Posted at 3:09 PM Jan 08, 2009
Mickey Rourke is a gigantic and terrifyingly ugly man-monster, so his "comeback" has been significantly slower than those of Travolta and what not, but it seems like between being Marv in Sin City and The Wrestler he's finally back in Hollywood's good graces. The proof is in the pudding, assuming you pretend Iron Man 2 is a pudding--Rourke is in talks to star along with the also excellent Sam Rockwell.Both The Hollywood Reporter and Variety agree that Rockwell is going to play Justin Hammer, evil industralist who finances supervillains on the side, but Variety says Rourke will be playing the Crimson Dynamo, while THR says he's going to play the relatively unknown and low-level Iron Man villain Whiplash. But THR also says Whiplash "is a tattooed Russian heavy named Ivan...a man with deadly, technologically enhanced coils".
First of all, Whiplash is not Russian. In fact, he kind of sucks--I know my '80s Marvel all right, and I hadn't even heard of this bastard before today. Second, from what I can read at Marvel.com, Whiplash had no coils, just...a whip, and that only occasionally. Third, Crimson Dynamo actually is Russian, and a much better known Iron Man villain. But how could THR get that wrong? How would they ever think on their own that Rourke would play Whiplash? Wouldn't information that weird have to come from somewhere official?
So I have no idea what the real deal is. I welcome you theories in the comments. But one thing I can't shake...a big dude, Mickey Rourke-sized, Russian, with deadly coils...that sounds a helluva alot like Omega Red to me. But it can't be. Right?
...right?
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Well Titanium man doesnt sound like he would be out of the question either based on that description. Russian Ironman and villain being used in th same sentence dont really leave a lot of possibilties. I mean Outside Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man the only other ones that come to mind are hack 2-bit villains like The Actor and The Red Barbarian. But come on we know it isnt the The Actors' Dana Carvey wanna be sorry ass or the Red Barbarians extremely prejudicial stereotype. That leaves us With Titanium and Crimson. Personally I love Titanium man and he gets my vote. But Crimson Dynamo would still be badass! Oh yeah and screw Whiplash!
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:36:03 PMI'd watch Sam Rockwell play cards. He's fantastic.
..I I I mean I dont... but I would.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:50:37 PMWell they can always make him the Constrictor, the only other guy i can think of with coils. But that's just silly.
Unless its the Ultimate U omega red, but that's uber lame.
Hopefully its the dynamo.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:52:04 PMThat does sound a helluva lot like Omega Red. Maybe they'll put Omega Red in the next Iron Man movie to set up the inevitable X-Men/Avengers crossover movie. Feels kinda wrong, but in an awesome way.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:52:13 PMTo sammyc, as much as i wish that was possible fox owns the rights to x-men. I don't think marvel would set that up unless they had them back.
but fuck that would be awesome.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:55:23 PMMaybe it's the Red Ghost and his super-apes! I wanna see Iron Man fight a super-strong gorilla, a shape-shifting baboon and an orangutan who can control magnetism, all controlled by an invisible, intangible old man dressed like Santa Claus.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 12:58:00 PMEvery time I see Sam Rockwell, I'm reminded of his role as a low-level thug in the first Ninja Turtles flick.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:11:25 PM`Sounds like Constrictor to me.
Let's be honest, though: Iron Man doesn't have the best rogues' gallery out there. He's got Stane, Hammer, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo (in the 80s, anyway), Whirlwind, Mandarin, Grey Gargoyle, Blizzard, Man-Bull, M.O.D.O.K. and the rest of AIM, HYDRA, Radioactive Man, Spymaster, Living Laser, Backlash, Boomerang, and some other villains that belong to other franchises (Doctor Doom will NEVER be in an Iron Man movie).
Iron Man's rogues' gallery is primarily made up of B-list villains who suck, and many of them are dead.
You won't see Past Pot Pete in a Spider-Man movie, and you won't see Man-Bull in an Iron Man movie. Films have to have SOME dignity.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:15:26 PM[I hope this isn't a duplicate post. Sorry if it is!]
`Sounds like Constrictor to me.
Let's be honest, though: Iron Man doesn't have the best rogues' gallery out there. He's got Stane, Hammer, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo (in the 80s, anyway), Whirlwind, Mandarin, Grey Gargoyle, Blizzard, Man-Bull, M.O.D.O.K. and the rest of AIM, HYDRA, Radioactive Man, Spymaster, Living Laser, Backlash, Boomerang, and some other villains that belong to other franchises (Doctor Doom will NEVER be in an Iron Man movie).
Iron Man's rogues' gallery is primarily made up of B-list villains who suck, and many of them are dead.
You won't see Paste Pot Pete in a Spider-Man movie, and you won't see Man-Bull in an Iron Man movie. Films have to have SOME dignity.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:15:58 PMWhat if--WHAT IF--Whiplash is a low-level thug in the beginning of the movie with some lame techno-whip or something and Iron Man hands him his ass (see? Iron Man is a bona-fide superhero! Yippee!), and then Sam "The Man" Rockwell comes along and says "hey, you want to be big time? Here's a suit of armor" or something and he becomes something akin to Omega Red/Crimson Dynamo?
I will tell you one thing--no character in the movie will be named Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo, unless it's a joke of some kind.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:18:16 PMWhiplash (later renamed Blacklash) worked for Justin Hammer. He was also a former employee of Tony Stark. However, he was not Russian. And I would hardly call an electrified whip "coils."
Justin Hammer also sold Stark technology to the likes of Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man. Both of those armored villains are Russian, but neither has "coils."
Omega Red is Russian, has tentacles (or "coils," I guess) implanted in his arms, and has been referred to as the Russians' attempt at a Super Soldier similar to Captain America. However, he has no history with Justin Hammer (not that that matters). We know that Marvel is trying to tie all of its non-X franchises together for an upcoming Avengers movie and this could be a part of that.
Fox may own the rights to any X-Men movies, but they don't own the rights to every single character that ever appeared in an X book. Frankly, I can't see Omega Red as an Iron Man villain, but worse things have happened.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:28:23 PMWasn't Wiplash/backlash in the '90's Iron Man cartoon as one of the crappy badguys in that?
I am going to guess he is going to be the dynamo. And it will be great even if it is just another suit vs suit battle.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 01:47:16 PMThey could all be suit-on-suit battles and that would be fine by this Iron Fan. Despite his heroic roots, I've always thought War Machine would be a great villain. Don Cheadle was just in "Traitor," after all...
But I resent the statement that Iron Man has a weak rogues gallery. Mandarin is huge, if done right, and the new Ezekiel Stane is pretty bad-ass. AIM led by MODOK would be awesome, as would Hydra, led by Baron Strucker and his Satan Claw gauntlet. And wasn't that giant robot Ultimo an IM villain?
Plus, there's one guy you left off the B-list who I think could be upgraded to be a real threat -- the Ghost. He uses stolen tech to become invisible and intangible. Add some firepower and you've got a great villain. Or hell, just add Firepower, the walking government tank who "killed" the silver Iron Man.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 03:29:15 PMThe Russian version of Whiplash described in your post is the one used in the Iron Man videogame that came out last year. Crappy, pointless, and he dies quickly.
I doubt he'd be used in the movie. I think this is like the Scorpion/Vulture/Kraven "movie designs" from the Spider-man games. Possible brain storming, but probably not in the actual movie.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 03:31:12 PMLet us not forget the technological nightmare of Ultron. Basically an Ironman villain, kind of Avenger-ish though. I love the suit to suit combat and IM fighting a mechanical monster like Ultron on the big screen would be very awesome. Hell for a back story Tony-boy decided to make the Ultron suit as a remote controlled iron man or some techno shit like that but the AI over developed and became all calculating and evil, like Transformers Shockwave only less gay purple. Id def like to see that on the big screen but obviously these casting announcments do not bode well for this bady.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 04:00:56 PMUltron would probably best serve in an Ant Man movie, seeing as Pym creates him and all. Besides, he's pretty much the only major Hank Pym enemy, and it would be screwing the Ant Man movie if they use up his one arch-villain on Iron Man.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 05:35:57 PM...Hopefully they won't fuck this up too bad; superheroes movie sequels have been known to suck, with only a few exceptions. I certainly hope the Crimson Dynamo does make the cut, as he was one of my favorites.
Posted 01/08/2009 at 05:45:12 PMRussian with coils is definitely Omega Red.
Sam Rockwell is Young Tony, maybe. = )
Posted 01/08/2009 at 06:42:22 PM"...Hopefully they won't fuck this up too bad; superheroes movie sequels have been known to suck, with only a few exceptions."
You have it exactly backwards. Super-hero sequels have historically been better than the original films - Spider-man 2, Superman 2, X2, and The Dark Knight - with a few exceptions.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 07:55:00 AMI was watching the bonus material on the Iron Man 2-disc set over the weekend, and I caught the Stan Winston Studios guys calling the prototype Iron Monger practicals "Crimson Dynamo".
So, the character was at least discussed some time in the process of developing the script for Iron Man.
[shrug]
Posted 01/20/2009 at 09:15:34 AM