It's time for a bit of soul-searching, guys. The above video is a trailer for a documentary titled The People Vs. George Lucas, and it's all about Star Wars fans who hate, absolutely hate George Lucas with a passion for fucking up the prequels, maybe for the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the Clone Wars cartoon, too. It includes two guys who made a song titled "George Lucas Raped My Childhood." And the whole thing makes me feel, well...really, really...awful.
Like, it's really embarrassing and kind of shameful. Now, I'm not trying to throw stones here -- it also makes me embarrassed of myself. I fully admit to have yelled/written many an anti-Lucas screed, both on Topless Robot and in my personal life. I dislike the prequels, for the most part. I think Lucas was the main problem with Crystal Skull. I also think he's more concerned with money than art. So why does this trailer make me feel so weird? Why don't I just agree with it?
I honestly don't know. Perhaps, despite my personal problems with Lucas' later work, I don't actually hate him for it. I'm dissatisfied with the newer products, obviously, but if I saw him wounded on the side of the road, I wouldn't let him die. I mean, the man gave us the original trilogy and Indiana Jones -- the later films might suck, but do they really take away from the earlier films? I guess I don't think so. I have no problem still enjoying Star Wars now, despite the prequels. While I might go off on him here on TR now and then for his current decisions, if I met him, I'd still thank him for what he gave me, for what he gave us. Star Wars shaped my childhood, and I doubt I'd be where I am today without George Lucas. Unless he kills my family or something, I don't think there's anything he can do that would really take that away from either of us. Does that make me better than the people in the documentary? I'd like to think so, but I'm not that sure. Your opinions would be most welcomed in the comments. (Via FilmDrunk)
Comments
McTool said:
I've never gotten the Lucas-bashing. Sure, the man made a few mistakes, but seriously. Every man who gives us something great makes a few mistakes.
- FDR tried to stay out of a war where loads of innocents were dying until he got attacked and was dragged into it. Doesn't change the fact that he still saved us from the Great Depression.
- Pierce Brosnan may have made Die Another Day and ended on a sour note, but that doesn't change the fact that his first Bond film was the catalyst for the best FPS ever made.
- GAINAX may have made disgusting, pandering moe ass like He Is My Master, but that doesn't change the fact that they made the anime version of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Everyone makes mistakes. Just because they made recent ones doesn't mean their past triumphs don't count. See, the amount of epic and win generated by Star Wars IV-VI (lets say it's 100 win points) is far greater than the fail generated by I-III (call it 80 fail points). So technically, if we use math (which nerds love), doesn't that mean we still have 20 win points? Lucas still wins? Same for Indy. There is no way in hell KotCS is so bad that it cancels out the awesome of Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade (Temple of Doom remains neutral, for me at least).
The way I see it, Lucas is still a genius, and I owe the man, regardless of how much he whores out his franchises.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:25:06 AM
Butts McCracken said:
Let me get this straight: the U.S. is in the midst of a massive economic disaster, we just ended an eight year presidential administration that included (among other things) a completely needless war in Iraq, and yet someone felt compelled to make a film to criticize . . . George Lucas??? You're damn straight this has gone too far.
Still, this reminds me of Roger Ebert's review of the "Fanboys" movie: "'Fanboys' is an amiable but disjointed movie that identifies too closely with its heroes. Poking a little more fun at them would have been a great idea. They are tragically hurtling into a cultural dead end, mastering knowledge which has no purpose other than being mastered, and too smart to be wasting their time." Apparently, with the release of "The People vs. George Lucas", the dead end of which Ebert speaks hasn't come soon enough.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:29:22 AM
Endroren said:
I don't judge your rants because that's part of what I come here to read. You are a performer. Your "show" involves shouting "OH MY GOD MY F*3KING EYES! OH MY FKSDHKGUE!!!" So right off the bat that gives you a little slack.
Second, there is nothing wrong with being so passionate about something that some aspect of it infuriates you. If you didn't care you wouldn't give a shit. Your strong feelings are, in themselves, a compliment to Lucas.
Third, in my world - this is what guys say to each other. "Dude! What is WRONG with you? Seriously, that was crap, man." Does it mean you hate them? No. Does it mean you hate all the other stuff they've done? No. But you still call them out on it.
Finally, my personal theory is that Lucas has hit a point where either a) he's forgotten to listen to people (including his own words spoken in the past - like "background is background - characters are what is important") AND/OR b) everyone around him is too much of a coward to say "No, dude. That doesn't work."
PS: And frankly, if I were Lucas, I'd shrug and say "Hey, you call me when you build your Ranch and we'll sit down and talk about how _I_ don't know what I'm doing.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:29:24 AM
LBD "Nytetrayn" said:
Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards recovery.
But seriously, that stuff is pretty messed up. I find the "raped our childhood" stuff to be at least a little ironic, since if it weren't for him, that stuff wouldn't have been their childhood to begin with. At the same time, I guess there's nothing that can really stop a dad from raping his own kids, but I don't think that's the case here so much.
I read something from Twisted Metal creator David Jaffe recently that seems to fit... let me see if I can find it...
Okay, I can't right now, it might have been in a video, I'll check later, but it basically related to how what a creator sees in something, what they think it's about, can wind up being quite different from what fans think it's about, which can sometimes be problematic.
--LBD "Nytetrayn"
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:29:31 AM
Dave Ross said:
You know what pisses me off? You little whiny bitches who just won't shut up about how George Lucas Raped your childhood. Okay we get it now you've been saying it for years! Don't you think it's time you moved on? If you don't like it than just shut the hell up. Stop bitching about something that really doesn't matter anymore! Is anyone forcing you to watch it? Are they holding your family hostage and if you don't watch it are they going to kill them? Then shut the hell up! You don't like it? Fine, Just shut up and stop pissing us, the ones who do like it, off! It's like that little kid in the restaurant who won't stop screaming. That's how you make yourselves look like! So just shut up and live you're life! It's just sad and pathetic if you let this dominate your life.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:49:16 AM
Jed said:
I think that the guy in the trailer is correct when he says that being as culturally significant as George Lucas is opens you up to criticism. It just comes with the territory. I guess it's like a heroine dealer selling really good sh*t in the beginning of his career, and now that he has you hooked, and some time has passed and the dealer has made a crap load of money off of selling his really good sh*t, he starts to let the quality of the product slip- sometimes unintentionally, and sometimes on purpose just to f*ck with people because he can. George Lucas is a dope dealing sci-fi pimp. His mind is on his money and his money is on his mind. If you want his good sh*t(Darth Vader being a bad ass force choke wielding mofo) you gotta sometimes get hit with the pimp slap right across your sallow heroine addicted face.(Greedo shooting first, Anakin being a little bitch, Jar Jar Binks. . .etc.) You hate the pimp but you need the pimp. . .there's only two ways out. O.D. or get clean. Me? I think I'm just too hooked on the good sh*t to turn back. 'Come on Daddy George, I'm hurt'n bad. I just need a quick fix 'till my welfare check comes in the mail. I'm good for it! All I need is a little Princess Leia mouthing off to Grand Moff Tarkin. . . oh. . .alright. . .I'll settle for gungans and anakin playing grab ass with Padme in a Naboo field. --SLAP!!!--- Ouch!!! That hurt!!!
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:49:46 AM
cummins said:
I agree with your points Rob. I am no fan of Lucas' post-1989 output, but as bad as I feel all the expanded universe/prequel whathaveyou is, it doesn't diminish my feeling about the original Star Wars trilogy or the initial Indy films (including the messy Last Crusade, in which Marcus Brody becomes an idiot between scenes for no other reason than to make him a punchline). I have spit plenty of venom towards him on this very site, but how mad can I really get at him? My childhood is still quite intact, his later career moves don't change that. Ultimately, I think this his kind of documentary just gives ordinary nerds a bad name. There's a difference between good-natured ranting and obnoxious fanboyism. The filmmakers here seem to be on the other side of the fence from me.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 09:52:04 AM
Crystal Lynn said:
I was really, really upset by all the prequels and the new Indiana Jones. Really upset. I think Lucas is an idiot for it. And/or maybe he just isn't hungry anymore and so he lost his touch.
That said, I will just never watch any of his new work ever again. I pretend like they don't exist and I feel just fine.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:10:06 AM
JayWicky said:
I'm not shocked by anything I see in this trailer. Of course, some of the people interviewed are likely to be more pumped and crazy than others, but it seems there is a degree of variety in the comments presented. I mean, they even have some arabic-speaking dude who seems to be calling Lucas the Great Satan or something, so I suppose they just want to present different points of view, not a uniform "Nerds hate Lucas now" picture. Granted, they're probably all in the negative end of the spectre, but after years of hagiographic documentary material devoted to Lucas' work, surely a little counterpoint in the form of an actual documentary film can't hurt, right ? I'm looking forward to seeing this, it will surely be entertaining. And hey, it's always nice to have Gary Kurtz share his hindsight.
If you want well-done documentaries focusing on the positive side of Lucasfilm, there are always the Making of Series by Laurent Bouzereau, that's excellent material too.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:11:32 AM
Patrick Cooper said:
Right on, Rob. We've all bitched about the prequels and what not, but I don't know who I'd be without the gift Lucas all gave us. If you don't like a movie, then don't harp on it enough to make a documentary about other people who hate it. Star Wars culture is a beautiful thing and this is just something negative that's not adding anything to it. As fans we have the ability to feed the culture and help it grow.
And are they really still bitching about Jar Jar? Really?
(and this is coming from the guy who penned the Worst EU list).
Gods bless George Lucas.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:15:15 AM
MasterOodFan said:
You know, this reminds me of a similar book called Star Wars On Trial.
Having read that book, and watching that trailer, I'm inclined to believe that this movie is a mockumentary, and the satire in it is a bit too difficult to notice.
/shrug
Could just be me though.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:39:02 AM
Jack Burden said:
I just finished my own blog post on the subject as well. It comes off as more of a rant than I meant, but I agree that there's no reason to hate the guy, he just shouldn't be allowed near Star Wars anymore.
Feel free to point out all the mistakes and incorrect assumptions I made in my post, as I'm not an uber-fan walking encyclopedia or anything. Just a regular fan.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:51:50 AM
Wolfgang said:
Sorry, but I laugh now at all of this thanks to the new stuff. I look at the old movies and laugh knowing they're ruined. For me, it's a domino effect; Place a few good movies upright next to one that doesn't stand so well, and it knocks them all down.
It's bad enough I'm one of the few nerds who didn't care that much for the original trilogy of Star Wars to begin with. Indiana, however, I always loved.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 10:55:12 AM
StormSigma said:
@ McTool: I didn't know Pierce Brosnan was in Halo! Sweet!
Posted 02/13/2009 at 11:19:00 AM
Indie said:
@ Patrick Cooper: Yeah, what he said. George Lucas gave us the original trilogy Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Those films were a major influence on my childhood and family culture. Whatever other little power trips he wants to take himself off on now, Lucas set the standard for sci fi innovation back then. I might not like him, and I might not always respect him, but I'm certainly grateful to him for all the summers my sibs and I spent acting out "The Empire Strikes Back" in our backyard. A few film flops can't erase that.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 11:31:04 AM
Matt Henke said:
I don't know how relevant this is, but what I find funny about the folks going overboard about George Lucas "ruining" Star Wars by making the prequel trilogy and all these Clone Wars cartoons is the fact that if you look in most of their dvd collections, you'll find copies of those very same sub-par movies. The people bitching the most about it all are the same ones who keep feeding the fire by paying money to Lucas who then obviously feels justified in churning out crap because the fans are buying it.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 11:34:43 AM
JayWicky said:
Hey, remember when we had to type "the force" in the box below the comments to have it validated ? How come it's "pasta" we have to type now ? (Nudge, wink, etc.)
OK, I just wanted to add something : yeah, I enjoy seeing Lucas getting his ass handed to him as much as the next disenchanted f**ker, but there's one thing you can't take away from the man : he lets fans screw around with his characters in fan films. And that's kinda awesome.
Example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiuxG_PQCoU
Lovestruck Vader + Pink Vaderette with Farah Fawcett 'do = WIN.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 11:57:17 AM
THE PR0F3550R said:
I gave up on Star Wars years ago. I still enjoy the original trilogy in all its glory. I just wish Georgie-Boy gets off his jabba-ass and release a true high quality release of the theatrical versions of the OT before he went around and raped them with special ass-fects.
I'm not one of those stuck up fans that goes ape if the corporate money grubbing bastards want to anally penetrate their original works (I'm looking at you HASBRO) and then boycott something because Bumblebee isn't a fucking volkswagon, or because Anakin made Darth Vader retarded, or because Speed Racer suddenly became a live action version of F-Zero GX. So long as they remember who initially contributed to their success and keep provided us with old skool goodness I can survive their revisionist tendencies.
Yes Michael Bay and HASBRO can scatlove Transformers and GI Joe all day long as long as I get my G1/American Hero stuff. Thank you Rhino for the TF dvds! Too bad GI Joe and JEM got axed before you finished their dvds.
Here that Georgie-Boy, give us the original OT before you became the dreaded Darth Hideous.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 11:58:46 AM
Templar said:
Let me get this straight: the U.S. is in the midst of a massive economic disaster, we just ended an eight year presidential administration that included (among other things) a completely needless war in Iraq...
Let's leave that to the historians, shall we?
Posted 02/13/2009 at 12:01:26 PM
Strangeman said:
You can't fault a guy for losing his touch. The first three Star Wars movies are on such a high pedestal for so many fans that it'd be impossible to ever recapture that kind of glory. You can't say that Episodes I-III ruined the Star Wars franchise, because more than likely you're still watching Episodes IV-VI religiously. No nerd threw out his priceless Star Wars collection (and moved out of his parent's basement) becasue he hated Jar-Jar Binks.
So what is George Lucas is a hack? Odds are you still watched Crystal Skull. It wasn't a great movie, but it was watchable (although my girlfriend did fall asleep about halfway through it.) George Lucas is a like a magic genie who likes to play tricks on you, or an evil monkey paw. You can wish for a new Indiana Jones movie, or a Star Wars TV series, but the thing is you have to ask him to make it, "good."
Posted 02/13/2009 at 12:01:54 PM
Neal Snow said:
We have the original trilogy and first three Indy movies. Shouldn't be too hard to pretend the rest don't exist.
For the movies that Mr. Lucas did get right, I have nothing but gratitude. It's wise to judge a director by their best work, not their worst. And Lucas' best was fan-fn'-tastic.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 12:20:16 PM
bentla said:
The quote at 1:30 about the films that Lucas was going to make which he never did is the aspect of Lucas that confounds me. His close friends in film, Coppala and Spielberg have made cultural touchstones that rival Star Wars, yet they haven't had their entire careers dominated by them. They've moved onto other stories and continue to explore the themes and situations that compel them to be artists. Lucas' directorial output beyond Star Wars is paltry in comparison and the time off was very apparent when he returned to write and direct The Phantom Menace. From what I've read about him he seems like a complex and introverted person and the insulation of Star Wars probably hasn't helped that. It's his life and he's not hurting anyone, but I feel like there's a missed opportunity in his career.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 12:55:50 PM
Jar Jar Jar Jar Jarrrr said:
I am not a fan of the prequels or really even the originals... but this much hatred just seems so silly.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 01:06:29 PM
Superfecta said:
Wait - I came very close to registering georgelucasrapedmychildhood.com years ago - are these guys my followers?
Posted 02/13/2009 at 01:13:47 PM
frank.the.dasher said:
The thing that was most disappointing for me was the potential for the Star Wars prequels to be amazingly good, even with the 'story' that Lucas created, minus some of the 'political intrigue.' Wouldn't it have been better that Palpatine's big scam was convincing Anakin that Obi-Wan was in an affair with Padme rather than the whole clone/senate/guild/Jedi/visions of Padme boringness?
BUT the biggest issue was that no one, and I mean NO ONE ever gave a fuck about Anakin. The whole prequel trilogy rests on the fact that we have to first like (and love) Anakin. If we don't, his downfall isn't tragic. He got got smoked by Obi-wan on Mustafar, it was brutal, but I still didn't care. He got what he deserved. An secondly, nothing that Anakin ever did made me think of him as having the potential to be the badass that Darth Vader is/was. If anything, the Vader mystique was shattered because Anakin was such a mentally weak, pathetic cry-baby.
The biggest issue was with the directing. Lucas had been out of the game too long. Look at "Empire." The absolute best of George Lucas's stroytelling, but Kershner directed it. Indiana Jones (even Kingdom): directed by Spielberg. Lucas had no business directing his films...because they require INTERPRETATION. Lucas's biggest issue is that he can't interpret his own stuff...really.
A New Hope is great; American Graffiti great. But nothing else Lucas has directed has been significant. After A New Hope, Lucas lost his directing mojo. He was on the verge of financial ruin and his mental health was questionable...the guy had heart issues for god's sake.
If he had let someone else get their hands on the franchise, it would have been amazing. Jar Jar sucked not because of how he was written, but because of how he was interpreted. Kershner would never have made racial stereotypes out of the characters, nor would he have felt the need for "clowns" in the Star Wars universe...these clowns were conspicuously missing from early work. Who is the clown in the Original Trilogy? Indiana? They screwed it up with goofballs...Brody in "Crusade"...prairie dogs...monkeys....Jar Jar...podracing announcers...
Here's food for though if you got to the bottom of this post:
Imagine "Revenge of the Sith" as directed by David Fincher. You dig?
Posted 02/13/2009 at 01:15:46 PM
FrakAttack said:
Wouldn't say he raped my childhood, but there has been some inappropriate touching.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 01:44:07 PM
RageTreb said:
I'm gonna copy and paste what I wrote on another forum becuase it sums up my opinion nicely:
I was born in '87, ten years (almost to the day, in fact) after Star Wars came out. I enjoyed Episode I because I was only 12, and to be honest, it still brings back fond memories. Also, my first real exposure to Star Wars was through the Special Editions, and while I agree that Han shot first, when I first saw it it was Greedo.
I can sympathize with both sides, and even if it's 100% nostalgia goggles talking, there really does seem to be a distinct difference in quality, be is good, bad, or neither, in the original trilogy and the prequels, and I'm glad there's a documentary that's going to look at that seriously. If it's any consolation to prequel fans, it appears as though they're going to talk to both sides, not just have a two hour George hate-fest.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 01:55:05 PM
Spoon said:
Well, judging from the trailer, it doesn't seem to be on the "I hate lucas" posture. It looks to me like it's just a documentary that takes on the other side of lucas fans wich never gets mentioned outside of our geek/nerd circles. And, as long as the filmakers try to keep it as objective as possible, it could be very interesting.
That said, I forget Lucas for screwing up the prequels, but I will NEVER FORGIVE HIM for replacing David Prowse with hayden christensen on the final scene in return of the jedi.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:01:24 PM
troizen said:
why is everybody hating on the Clone Wars cartoons? they are made for children!!!! Lucas is trying to keep the Star Wars brand going and just letting it die out with A bunch of Star Wars nerds.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:12:05 PM
troizen said:
why is everybody hating on the Clone Wars cartoons? they are made for children!!!! Lucas is trying to keep the Star Wars brand going instead of just letting it die out with A bunch of Star Wars nerds.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:12:34 PM
turnidoff said:
The band that sings the song is Hot Waffles. They're hilarious and no, they're not hateful jerks. People need to take this with a grain of salt. The same way people rip on Michael Bay and The G.I.Joe movie. It's part of film nerdery. I don't think anyone's taking this too seriously.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:29:59 PM
T-VO said:
You know what, F@ck those virgin pimple face RPG playing, AT-AT sucking bastards! “George Lucas Raped my childhood”.. get over it, your 38 yrs old! Its for KIDS!
This generation felt the same hate for Jar Jar that we had for Ewoks. It’s for the focking kids, get over it.
All these geeks feel that Star Wars is dead to them, the same way Lost is, the same way Heroes is, the same way Battlestar is….see a trend? The new Geek is turning into
a cynical rich hot girl, there is no pleasing them for a long time.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:41:12 PM
Mitchell Craig said:
Watching the trailer for The People vs. George Lucas is...fascinating.
In a sick way.
When I saw the original Star Wars, I'd just graduated high school. I was alread a major sci-fi fan (books are my passion, but movies, TV and comics figure in as well). I never thought of Lucas having raped my childhood, because I didn't grow up with being Force-fed (pun intended). At worst, the prequels could have been improved simply by Lucas just producing, leaving the writing and directing to others. The Clone Wars TV show is following that wisdom.
At best, George would probably like to do those other movies he's always had in mind, but the Jedi/Sith mash-ups seem to occupy his time.
As for the fans who are screaming "Raped my childhood!"...
Get counseling.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 02:55:27 PM
jedieb said:
"Let me get this straight: the U.S. is in the midst of a massive economic disaster, we just ended an eight year presidential administration that included (among other things) a completely needless war in Iraq..."
Couldn't agree more with the Dubya summary, but that's still not a valid reason for this dorkumentary not to be made. Bad things happen so we're not suppose to laugh, shop, or make silly documentaries?
That being said, it doesn't look like a straight hate fest. With so much "George is a genius" crap out there there's plenty of room for some Lucas bashing as well. He earned a few more kicks to the groin for the nuclear proof fridge.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 04:24:47 PM
NeoXorn said:
Those fucktards singing "George Lucas Raped Our Childhood" are waaay out of line. Grow the fuck up! It may be their right to say anything thay want or feel but that doesn't make it right. Give respect you LOSERS! George deserves it, assholes!
FUCK those two.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 05:35:51 PM
anarchyinsk said:
I think maybe the problem (at least with older fans like myself) is that our expectations were just too high. When we heard that new Star Wars movies were FINALLY being made, we expected that they'd give us the same feeling the original ones did...that same giddy excitement and sense of wonder. But I don't think that's possible. The feelings that the original movies stirred in us are kind of rooted in that time. In order for us to recapture them, we'd have to experience the new movies at the same age, in the same circumstances, at the same time in history that we did with the originals. So the only way Lucas could live up to our expectations would be if he built a functioning time machine...and I don't think that'll be happening any time soon.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 07:48:40 PM
Elrond said:
While I think that George Lucas' creation of Jar Jar Binks was unforgivably horrid and (probably) flagrantly racist, I don't hate the guy. I just feel a mild distaste for him.
Posted 02/13/2009 at 08:00:36 PM
gold5 said:
Lucas is just a bad writer, he used up all his ideas a long time ago. I don't see why we have to apologize for him. The biggest problem with the prequels/Indy 4 was him adding characters that are for little kids. Ewoks, Jar Jar, Anakin (Annie!) and Shia La Bouf. We really didn't need Shia as Indy's 'lost son' and indeed any writer who uses the 'lost son' shtick which is majorly cliched should be forced to stop. They should just get their writing hand cut off as soon as they produce that drek. If they wanted a young Indy they should have just relegated Harrison to a supporting role and had a younger actor (who's not an annoying word-repeater, like Shia) to play the role of 'new Indy'. They certainly had no need to 'explain' the force scientifically as a cellular function because to many fans the the force is an allegory for real world religion (Bushido) and they were offended that there is now a way to be genetically superior to someone in the Star Wars universe. It used to be that you could train your mind and improve until you were a Jedi, but now according to the new script, all you have to do is be genetically engineered. Even if this stuff was in Lucas's original 70s scripts he obviously should have done some editing. As an example look at Leia kissing Luke in Empire Strike Back and then he finds out she's his sister in Jedi. Sorry, but that's just really bad writing, pick a way and stick with it, that's why they hire continuity editors for most TV shows, so stuff like that won't happen. Its obvious that the fact that they are brother/sister was added late and Lucas just went 'oh well' and put it in anyways. Also, the same thing happened when they decided to add in the idea that Annie made C-3P0 and then they never mentioned it in the original movies and Darth never twigged to the fact that he built C-3p0 (recognized him) and in fact Darth destroyed C-3p0 personally in Empire when he wandered into that Cloud City room. (Then why bother putting that relationship, which is so unlikely? See Cracked magazine's parody. It's just so ridiculous that everyone HAS to be unknowingly related to each other and then it creates a 'surprise'. Oooh look! Leah is Luke's brother! Indy is Shia LaNoNo's cousin! Chewbacca is R2's dad!, etc. Bad writing at it's most cliched.. If he just did it once with 'I am your father" it would have been very effective but since then (ESB) he has reused that tired shtick over and over!) So it's those type of massive continuity errors that make people think that Lucas just isn't a particularly good writer beyond the fact that he thought up the idea for the Star Wars universe, which was mainly ideas he blatantly stole from Akira Kurosawa's the Fortress and WWII movies by Howard Hawks and many other writer/directors who were the best back then. So really the best stuff Lucas wrote was copied from others and the worst stuff he did himself. In the 90s he decided that he wanted to spend a lot of time with his kids and wife (totally reasonable) but he should have just retired and let others take over his works rather that making films where he only shows up 9-5 and then goes home. No major film productions are made usually without long overtime hours so what I'm saying is that if Lucas says 'Well, it's 5:30, I'm going home now', while there's still shots to film then that movie is going to suffer, because others like James Cameron would have stayed the full 18 hours to complete the shot properly. (With NO BATHROOM BREAKS!) People have a right to feel that they represent a segment of the buying public who are not being serviced. If Lucas doesn't make stories and products in the vein which we want we will have to make them ourselves, which seems fine with him. Sideshow Collectibles have stepped up and make collectibles to an adult standard, now we just need someone (not Lucas) to make a cartoon or movie that's for us, the adult Star Wars fan, not our 4-12 year old kids.
Posted 02/14/2009 at 03:22:19 AM
telezombie said:
Greedo did not shoot first. And for that I would leave George Lucas dying in the street.
Posted 02/14/2009 at 08:03:05 AM
telezombie said:
also, Dengar can take a flying leap off the grand canyon. That's the character I despise the most. BURN IN HELL DENGAR!!!
Posted 02/14/2009 at 08:09:52 AM
Rafik said:
I live in France and I've been interviewed for this documentary (I don't appear in the trailer).
Although I've been vividly labelled as a Lucas-hater for many years by a portion of the french fanbase (mainly because of a bitter review of Episode II titled "A New Flop", whose arguments were used as weapons by pros and antis) I don't consider myself as a Lucas-hater. But I'm certainly a disapointed fan who can't stand to see history rewritten (three of the highest-grossing movies of all time have virtually disappeared from the surface of the earth; that I cannot accept).
I had the chance to publish a book in french called "George Lucas, Man behind the Myth" where I tried to understand the chain of events that led to the actual situation for George. It was filled with information about his family background, about people who played a central part in his life and career and were almost wiped out of the official history (his wife, his producer) and about everything that allowed him to create marvelous things that he will try to destroy afterwards. Dig in the past to find out about the present.
To my relief, this "psychological" essay was considered as "quite fair" by many of those who hated my movie reviews.
The team of "The People versus George Lucas" came to me in order to get that kind of opinion. They stressed that they didn't want any "Lucas bashing" either, and that they were more interested in the interaction between this film-maker and his fanbase, a very unique kind of interaction, filled with passion and misunderstanding.
I, too, have mixed feelings about this trailer. But I trust the director Alexandre O Phillipe when he says that he doesn't want to trash George Lucas bur rather understand this sociological phenomena. And I know that he had interviewed many people who have different and balanced opinions on that matter.
Excuse my poor english.
Posted 02/14/2009 at 09:08:22 AM
Monkey said:
Star Wars is three OK movies followed by three terrible ones. I can't for the life of me understand how this can be so important a part of so many peoples lives but it is and as such we have this movie.
I really don't think GL sees Star Wars as this grand masterpiece. I think that to him they were just some movies that he made. The important thing for him to do as an artist is to enjoy his work and express himself as he sees fit. If he wants to have fun with them and add new scenes or whatever then more power to him.
I think everyone needs to try and see Star Wars as a work of art to be viewed and enjoyed and not as a substitute for human interaction. The defining moments in my childhood all involved other people.
I guess that to others like me, that grew up playing outside with friends, the fact that a bad movie can "rape your childhood" is kinda sad. Not sad in a way that makes me feel bad for you but in a way that makes me feel superior. So in the end I guess my point is that I have mixed feelings about this movie and that 80% of the world probably likes Star Wars more than George.
Posted 02/14/2009 at 07:32:23 PM
banthapoodoo said:
When something you loved and watched over and over for 20 years and was part of the popular culture, suddenly was taken away by the owner and reworked and retooled, then YEAH!
Metaphorically your childhood was raped!
That's all they're saying.
Maybe if Quentin Tarantino added CGI Dewbacks to Pulp Fiction, then you'd understand.
Posted 02/14/2009 at 10:33:37 PM
Carl said:
I don't give a fuck what anyone says, Luc-Ass shat in the golden well of Star Wars and stupid bitches keep drinking it. Enjoy, drink plenty for me shit-drinkers!
Posted 02/16/2009 at 12:20:46 AM
pokefreaks said:
I love Lucas for Lucas Arts , SNES SW games and original SW trilogy
Posted 02/16/2009 at 01:06:15 AM
OldFart@Play said:
To Dave Ross,
Well put I agree whiny little fan boy bitches should shake the sand out of their manginas and man it up a little bit. Who cares about their blatant existential bankruptcy, or their conceptual constipation. Lucas raped your childhood? Boo Hoo! Get a clue, get a life. I find it ironic that people lay claim to the works of others and throw a hissy fit if it does not conform to their ideas of how it should develop. If something offends you, stop paying the ticket price, move on and STFU. Try making your own movie so other armchair producer/directors can spew bile and blame you for how lame your life or lack thereof turned out.
Posted 02/16/2009 at 01:58:06 AM
nick said:
I love all the people on here who say, "blah, blah, respect George, respect," and then immediately move on to spewing venom at the guys who wrote/perform that song. Or who use the classic "Why don't you try to create something?" line, because, you know, writing a song isn't creating anything, of course ...
I would really hate to see the kind of sad world we'd all live in if you were in charge, where criticism/commentary, especially in satirical and ironic form, aren't allowed.
Oh, yeah, and Lucas IS a douchebag. Zing!
Posted 02/16/2009 at 07:37:53 AM
Anonymous said:
Agree with you - may not love everything he's done since but Star Wars and Raiders are some of the greatest stories told in modern film and you have to give him some credit where it's due.
Posted 02/16/2009 at 10:15:16 AM
The Pimp Master General said:
I've seen some stuff on this documentary in other places on the internet and this goes too far. This is the very definition of going to far. Get a life people.
George Lucas didn't rape your childhood, he made it awesome.
It's just your adulthood that wasn't particularily memorable. George wasn't able to make 3 movie prequels that made you feel like you were 10 years old again. That's just as much your fault as his. People grow up - Star Wars nerds should try it. Most people grow and evolve. Things change.
If Lucas had made these movies in 1989, they would have been vastly different than the movie he made in 1999. He had a life. He raised a family. He didn't eat breath and live Star Wars for 25 years like the nerds did. He got away from Star Wars for so long that he lost touch with his own universe. Shit Happens.
Obviously the original trilogy was better than the prequel trilogy. I have my own disagreements with George's decisions. But I respect the fact that he did his way with no interference from studio suits. He's a very talented imaginitive film maker whos had a ton of success and made alot of money.
The movies are what they are. let it be and move on.
The fact that this documentary is even being made shows that they love Lucas. Get on some medication for that obsessive compulsive disorder and get a shrink.
Posted 02/16/2009 at 07:47:03 PM






