I want this to be watchable... I guess I always wanted Kup to squeek and have a hard time transforming as a kid. Machines do tend to breakdown over time, so I'll give it a chance.

But wheelie as a decepticon? WTFPORKCHOPSAMMICHES

I don't care if wheelie's a decepticon. Just as long as he doesn't rhyme everything he says.

What happens if GM tanks before this movie comes out, or gets taken over and is then Government Motors? Will this movie then be credited as a product of the stimulus package?

My head hurts.

what happens is GN tanks and gets taken over by Fiat?? Are they going to re-lable all the cars in fiats?

Between Christopher Eccleston as Destro and a Transformer with the vague name "The Doctor," it's apparently going to be a good summer for folks who grew up in the 80's and Who-fans alike.

Yay. I can't wait not to go see this movie.

I'm really on the fence about G.I. Joe.

Seibertron.com showed a toy of "The Doctor" although his name there was Scalpel. I think USA Today mixed up something.

He changes into a microscope.

Wheelie?! Who else is in this move, the Junkions?

So The Doctor is really Perceptor?

Grime find look behind.

I am unhappy about Jet fire, quite unhappy.

Bah.

Michael Bay, everyday you give me another reason not to piss on you if you were on fire. I think you are just doing it deliberately now.....

The only Mercy in this horrible process is that after 3 of your God-awful efforts the Studios will get bored and get you to go torture some other franchise.....so on the plus side only about 4 years of pretending Transformers are dead and gone to go......

Jesus Christ guys.

I have some news for you about the Transformers, and this applies to G.I. Joe as well: They sucked. They were horribly written, poorly animated 30 minute toy ads. The reason you liked it was cause you were 8. Simple as that.

Michael Bay isn't raping your childhood; he's just letting you see it through adult eyes. That golden shower scene in the first one--- you would have LOVED that if you were still 8. So sit back, turn off your brain, and enjoy the film.

Toxic, believe it or not, Transformers and G.I. Joe actually had some original characters and ideas, even if they were presented in a way that did entertain 8-year-olds. And if you want a bit more mature take on those awesome characters and ideas, read the Marvel Comics' versions of both stories. Hell, the originals even had a little more depth at times and humanity than what we have gotten with Bay's Transformers and seem to be getting with the G.I. Joe movie.

Bay's idea of doing something for the fans seems to be creating a few characters with names and persnalities that slightly resemble what came before and then making then mostly unrecognzieable. His Transformers feels like a twisted, Looking Glass version of the real Transformers, and not in a good way.

And yeah, Motorthing, I'm just hoping that in the next decade or so we'll get a reboot of the Transformers films.

You know, Frenzy's replacement as tiny transformer being a little doctor... maybe he'll be able to destroy entire planets? Or would a Card reference be too much to hope for...

Why is Sideswipe the corvette? Would it have hurt to use "Turn Trick" Tracks as the corvette since he is the corvette Autobot? I think a homosexual robot would be as interesting as the female robot and the geriatric robot.

Why make an "old" Transformer at all? They're machines, for cryin' out loud. Make him dented, scarred, pitted, etc., but giving him a cane...

Plus, in the TV show (or toy commercial, if you insist), Jetfire was, for the target audience, an interesting character: He was a Decepticon who eventually switched sides, and went through crap from his old Decepticon buddies as well as from distrusting Autobots. He was also one of the bigger transformer toys, which increased his cool factor somewhat.

Bay does realize this are robots, right? Strangely, I'm less concerned about how faithful he is to the original cartoon characters (except for a few key ones, like Optimus and Megatron...oh, wait, whoops on that last one) as long as he stays true to his own universe. So, please explain to me, WHY DO ROBOTS NEED TO BLINK? (they don't). Along the same lines, why would a robot be geriatric? I understand if memory chips and motors get worn out, but they've already established that they can be repaired (bumblebee). He's basically just making giant metal humans, not alien robotic lifeforms. I know you need to humanize them to some extent so the audience can relate, but this just bugs me to no end for some reason.

So, in summary, I have no problem believing in giant robots who can transform into earth vehicles so long as they don't blink.

Bravo, CTrees. Bravo.

King Psyz: Or perhaps Magnificus?

As for Jetfire? Yeah, I'm disappointed. While I like the G1 version's form, I liked the Scott McNeil voice and the personality from the recent Unicron Trilogy (one of the few good things to result, perhaps).

This? I don't know, it sounds like they've stripped any cool factor down to a Master Roshi or Cranky Kong. Which are cool characters, but not what I want from Jetfire.

Why not just use Kup? He's no jet, but he's otherwise perfect. Well, other than the Decepticon thing, but I can forgive that if done well.

Isn't "The Doctor" a character in the GI Joe movie too? Seems I heard that the same guy who is playing Cobra Commander is playing "The Doctor". Seriously, WTF is up with the radical changes. I can understand some changes, but why throw away perfectly good characterizations, developed over years of cartoon and comic stories for weak, watered down versions that resemble the originals in name only. This goes for Transformers as well as GI Joe. I just don't understand the thought processes that think the results are an improvement.

iirc, according to the bio on the toy's packaging, Wheelie's an Autobot but is basically forced to work for the Decepticons.

Also, the "Doctor" character (his name is Scalpel, according to his figure) sounds pretty cool from *his* bio...

Oh boy, an "old man" robot! You know what that means - now they can stuff in viagra and incontinence jokes!

Feel free to rip on me if I've missed something, but where the HELL is my beloved Wheeljack?!!

He died of old age in the first movie ;)

CTrees, even if they did use the "little doctor" as an Ender reference, I highly doubt the target audience of this film has either the brains or the attention span to catch it.

fuck to many decepticons and constructicons and they can combine I hope the the autobots have fun beating them I hope they sucseed .

men theres to many robots missing I think micheal bay wants the decepticons to win I mean were are the dinobots and longrack,safeguard good thing unicron wasn't there the caus of that is 100% the autobots has no chance of winning

men the fallen megatron, demulisher, devestator what ells the doctor men if primus was there, decepticons are sucking there thumb right now

WHERES IRONHIDE!

Look! To everyone on here. Quit whining like toddlers! Just live your life and let everyone else live theirs. Countless verbal battles back and forth about who was created good and who was created bad. And "HE shouldnt have a cane!" and "Nuh UHH He SHOULD have a cane because blah blah." To me it sounds like the 8 year old audience that this movie was made for are all here on this message board giving input....And NOW, for all u slower people..Watch the movie! If you liked it COOL...if you didnt COOL! It wasnt meant to be interesting to all. Therefore it wont be! You cant always have your way! This message board isnt your mommy!

hey did anyone know that there is going to be a
transformers 3 coming out in 2010-2011 its surposed to be the best one yet