I wouldn't mind seeing the footage that was cut of Superman in space flying around what is left of Krypton as that was finished and even included on trading cards and stuff.

I agree with Rob 100%. Superman III & IV were better than Superman Returns.

Kevin Freakin Spacey couldn't save that movie.

Nuff said.

There's no cut in existence that would make anyone forget that Superman lifted a kryptonite mountain. I think the folks at Warner should focus on a new flick and let this one go, because UGH!

@keith

Okay, I didn't like Returns that much, but there's no way in hell it's worse then III and IV.

Great, more haunting scenes where Superman doesn't speak, that'll make it better.

Well Smallville Superman is getting/got a black suit so they can chew on that.
I think I saw Superman Returns...but probably not in it's entirety, because well..I saved some moment of my life.

This thing was such a shock to the system - after 20 years of Superman being made more accessible and appealing, it turned back the clock to the pre-Byrne era yet failed to catch the miraculous lightning in a bottle that Donner did by making something watchable out of pre-Crisis Superman.

I may bitch about Smallville's shitty writing, but it was far better than Returns.

I remember a cereal promotion for the movie that had cutout "cards" for the film. There was, as far as I can remember, one for Superman, one for Lex Luthor, one for Lois and one for...Space. You know, the vacuum outside of our planet. The movie was so bland and devoid of interesting characters and action they had to sell kids "SPACE" as a feature in it.

Well, I'm sure people who already like the movie will enjoy the shots of Superman on the nuked up Krypton, and maybe they'd include the bit where Luthor actually used his contacts to dupe Superman into going to space by faking Krypton being found by Scientists. (Though wouldn't Superman just squint and see it's still nuked, huh? And doesn't that make Luthor's plan look THRICE as stupid?) Me, I don't care much for a Superman movie that doesn't make him the main character.

Maybe there is more footage of Superman as the Peeping Tom? You know, hovering outside of her house and using his X-Ray vision to spy on her and the family. I guess that could be interesting?

This wasn't a Superman movie. This was Bryan singer filming a multi-million dollar love note to Richard Donner.

And that trailer makes me more angry about "Superman Lifts" than I was before, given the halfway-decent action shots. Singer screwed up royally and now it'll be another twenty years before anyone has a chance to do a decent Superman movie again.

Dammit.... that almost made it look like a good movie... which it wasn't. The sad thing is that the cast could have worked, but they were wasted as mere photocopies of the original film. Routh and Spacey in particular could have made damn good in their roles, but they were never given a good Sueprman and Luthor to work with. Hell, Boswoth might have made a good Lois, but her character was crapped on the worst. So much disappointment in that film.

Just....just leave that piece of crap Superman Returns alone...

I still , to this day, cannot believe I waited almost 20 years for another (good) Superman movie and THAT was what I got. Superman Returns was a big steaming pile of shit and the only thing it accomplished was killing the fanchise for another 20 years. Thank you, Bryan Synger, for ruining not one, but TWO franchises ( You left X-men for the hack Rattner to take over , so you´re guilty of that too)

Superman Returns was FINE as a starter to a new franchise.

The worst thing about it were all the haters who doomed there to never be an improved sequel, or Brandon Routh appearing in a JLA movie.

In fact, the death of SR probably killed JLA from ever showing up or showing up with 'real' superheroes instead of being padded with minors to make up for the lack of Supes and Batman...

So we should support a BAD movie, so that we could get more sequels in the hopes of them being small improvements over the first one?

I tell you this: the way Superman Returns ended, with that stupid son of his and all.....if this movie did good on the box office, the sequel would be far far worse.

Singer had his chance, and blew it.

Superman Returns wasn't great, but I didn't think it was too terrible. If the extra footage actually has stuff happening, and isn't just 15 more minutes"Superman flies around in the clouds as a deep rumbling shakes the ground" then it might be better.

There is a damn easy way to fix that movie - probably add some Singer stuff (he made the first 2 Xmen pretty damn good) and take out all the super-emo-stalker shit and make the kid Cyclops' kid and you would probably have an almost, mostly decent movie.

And at some point Sups needs to fight someone.

Also, no way the F4 movies were better. I so, SO SOOO wanted to like the 2nd one. But it was ass.

I liked Superman Returns. I think the fanboy bitchin' did more to kill the sequals/franchise than anything. Viewed as a standalong movie, it was more than fine. I particularly liked the departure from the usual punch-up comic book movie style. It is hard to make a physicially invulnerable man vulnerable and IMHO Singer and Routh did that better than any of the previous movies (including the Donner classics). But the fans didn't want anything more than punch-ups. And we have to wait another 20 years before another director is brave enough to try again.

Rob, I refuse to believe that you could like BOTH of the Fantastic Four movies better than Superman Returns. Sure, the movie wasn't great, and since Bryan Singer was working on it instead of X-3, that one sucked ass as well. But Fantastic Four? Really?

By the way, love the new format of the site. Shiny!

And one other thing: anyone else in the world would think "Hey, Lex Luthor has five years free from prison, maybe he can build LexCorp, make the world think he's gone legit, and present Superman with an interesting bad guy as a result."

Nope, Singer's Lex decided to grow a really big rock.

So many Superman Returns haters! I actually thought that there were some great things about SR. The look of the film was breathtaking, and where the cast didn't simply look spot on, they in fact captured their character perfectly.

Also- Blaming Bryan Singer for SR (A Michael Dougherty script) is sort of like blaming Michael Bay for the turd that Roberto Orchi and Alex Kurtzman wrote for Transformers 2.

To me, this was the original movie's universe done right; using all of the tools of modern film-making and CGI technology.

-And you can't tell me you didn't get nerd-shivers when Sups brought down the plane in the baseball stadium.

I didn't even have to watch the video to know I would lose brain cells during the process.

All I really remember of that movie (I think because I've erased it from my memory) was my friend making fun of a scene while doing an impression of Lois Lane. (in this scenario, whiny) I responded to this with my own comment, "Superman, I'm bored as fuck."

We stopped watching after that point.

Funny how the only people who get replies to comments are the folks who liked the movie. When did society degenerate into a bunch of whining babies who feel the endless need to complain about things? Oh right... internet.

Can't wait till I get a girlfriend and move out of my mom's so I can sneer at you people.

And yes I LOVED Superman Returns. It was a love letter to the original Superman. When did that become a bad thing?

The Fantastic Four movies were 10 times more fun than Superman Returns.

I think the best review of Superman Returns that I saw was when I was at the theatre watching it, and someone down the aisle from me spent most of the movie asleep. I could hearing his snoring over the movie!

Also, Kate Bosworth is slightly younger than I am, so I figured out that in order for her to have had a 5 year old child, she would have had to have won her Pulitzer and been a world-renowned reporter before she was 18- heck of an alternative to high school! Guess I'm a slacker.

this just proves that some fans actully liked super man returns enough to want to have the directors cut but to want it that bad to have to take out a pettion for it when it did what batman and robin did to the bat franchise . warner brothers proably does not want to be reminded of their screw up with their number one character. which means unless they do a super movie set super man returns the directors cut not going to happen

I agree on both sides of this discussion.
The part with the plane was effing incredible, the subplot with the kid killed the movie.
It was a direct sequel to the early movies, and that vision should end now.
Having said that- I signed the petition- why not? I never understand why people want to limit what is out there.
And Superman 3 is good- The fight in the Junkyard rules. When he pulls open his shirt to reveal the crisp bright blue red and yellow, you gotta love it.

You all have to learn to look on the bright side of things. Brian singer's portrayal of Superman as a dead beat "baby's daddy" did save us from whatever the hell that crap was that Brett Ratner was gonna give us with Nicholas Cage as Superman. I'll take it as a lesser of two evils winfall.

I really REALLY liked the first half of Superman Returns. The credits alone were amazing. When he first returns to the Daily Planet was borderline perfect, IMO. The part where he saves the plane, I will not lie, it still gets to me even now. But. Everything from the point where Luthor made that island onward was resoundingly meh. It's like they got half way thru and decided to just cruise thru the rest of it cuz they had to make a deadline or something.

Well, you can say what you want about the movie, but there was so many scenes in that movie that was basically a wet dream for me just to see a real life Superman do. Because the FX was brilliant. And lets face it, I didn't believe a man could fly after the Reeves movies. But with todays FX it looked pretty fucking bad ass!!!!

What, are they serious? What are their motivations? Do they want to see that Christopher Reeve clone in a Kryptonian uniform that badly? Or maybe they want to see some heartwarming scenes where Supes spend time with his bastard child. You know, have the "birds and the freaky superpowers" conversation...
Maybe pay child support, just sayin'...

On a sidenote, Clark Kent returned to The Daily Planet the same time Supes returned to Earth... Wake the Skywalking up, you morons. Oh, I forgot, "magic glasses" never mind.

What we need to shut off all the whining is a return to Superman's ROOTS, like "Batman Begins". Batman stated out as a crazy-ass vigilante and folks loved seeing that dark side return.

Well guess what? Superman started out as a bad-ass too. Chris Reeve did nice-guy Superman better than anyone can do it today, so stop going that direction. Sign up Gerard Butler and film "Reign of the Superman".

At least it won't suck.

Superman Returns has a 76% on Rotten Tomatoes, meaning that of people paid to watch and analyze movies for living, 76% of them thought it was a decent flick. If it was as bad as you make it out to be, don't you think that percentage would be a lot lower? For example, Transformers 2 has a 19%. Fantastic Four has a 26%.

My point with all of this isn't to defend Superman Returns (which disappointed me as a Superman movie) so much as question the nerd orthodoxy that it's indisputably awful. That isn't a sensible opinion.

It seems people always remember "the scene with the plane". Yes, it was the best part of the movie and that´s saying something isn´t it?

We waited 20 years for a movie where the best part of it is supes rescuing a plane. Well done, Bryan Singer.

The thing that killed Superman Returns was a painful lack of action. The only real action scene (the airplane rescue) was the best part of the movie and it took place in the first 10 minutes.

This was the worst comic book movie I've ever seen.

Superman is Jesus!

Superman needs a prop plane to rescue him!

Superman can't act, so he doesn't have any dialogue!

Anything we can't figure out, we'll steal from Richard Donner, John Williams, and Christopher Reeve!

Total piece of garbage...

I enjoyed Superman Returns. I believe that people that have a demented loathing for this movie probably have some sort of dementia, you know, like the "Saw" franchise fan base. If you don't like the movie, fuck off and let the people that liked it alone instead of parading how "wrong" about the movie we are. All I have to say about the worst comic movie of all time involves the words "Spider-Man" and "3". And just remember, you almost got Tim Burton and fucking Nick Cage as leather-boy from Planet Emo-Kryton...

I think if Singer were allowed to make a second Superman movie we might be pleasantly surprised. When the first X-Men movie came out one of the complaints about it was that it was kinda slow paced, ya know not enough action (sound familiar?). Then he did X-2, berzerker rage and all.

It was SUCH A BAD MOVIE!!! there is no argument, so shut up. His suit wasn't even the right frickin colour.

If it came down to watching Superman Returns and saving any one of the whiny lil'bitches that hate this movie, my gosh, it was nice not knowing you weak, weak nancy sisters...

If you didn't like superman returns you are a horrid horrid piece of filth that has no right to ever comment on comic book matters ever again.

what kind of idiot doesn't recognized Superman Returns as the authoritative movie on superman?

I think it's ironic that the same people who criticize Superman Returns because Superman lifted a kryptonite mountain are often the same ones who say they'd anticipated "the first good Superman movie in twenty years," when in the original Superman he flew fast enough around the planet to turn back time.

My only criticism of Superman Returns is that it was too fawningly loyal to the original film and its sequel; I always found those movies overrated, even when I was a kid.

I'd have preferred a more menacing approach to Lex Luthor, but that was a direct consequence of the decision to pay tribute to the original movies, and most nerds celebrated Singer's decision to do so ahead of time because nerds are frail creatures who cannot accept that they're not nine years old anymore.

I am baffled at how upset people are that Superman has a kid and that he's not living with said kid. It was a daring direction in which to take the franchise, and I'd have liked to've seen what Singer would have done with it.

Ultimately, I concur with the suggestion above that a Singer sequel would have satisfied many of the people who felt disappointed by the original. Now we'll never know, of course.

In the meantime, at least we have Superman Returns.

I for one appreciate it.

I loved the movie.
I think you people just don't get what movies are for. It seems like you've forgotten the roots of the great B movies of the 50's. It the same complaints about Star Wars Episodes I - III. They were awesome if viewed with the right perspective.
Get over it and just enjoy...stop being divas.
I guess that's the difference between nerds and geeks.

The great B movies of the 1950s weren't made for a price that could finance the economy of a small African nation for the next ten years.

I guess THAT'S the difference between nerds, geeks and people who live in the real world.

people who have such strong hate for superman returns are nerds and virgins. like the hate for ang lee's hulk. you guys prefer superman flying around bashing things with his fist. try to make the character too much of an adult and you rebel like the nerds who shake around actual real life girls. face it, the only thing shitty about superman returns was kevin spacey and his shitty kryptonite land scheme. the rest rocked and was probably the most adult superhero movie of all time, which was singer's intention. go back to nerd virgin stuff, nerd virgins.

It isn't the Superman movie I wanted, (I wanted a complete reboot) but Superman Returns is a beautiful love letter to the Donner films. It has the same feel as the originals whiel making it more realistic and less hokey, and I'm not just talking about the SFX. For what it is, I think it's a pretty darn good film. Unfortunately, it was a mistake to not reboot it for a new generation.

I don't mind the premise of "big, dumb action movie - shut up and just watch it", but if this flick was such a love letter to Donner as everyone claims, why did they eviscerate Lois so badly as a character? She as strong and witty in the original movies; in Returns, she's scenery.

And I know Kevin Smith has covered this already but i can't resist. If Lois doesn't know who Supes is, why isn't she pissed off at him for impregnating her when she doesn't remember it happening?

Also, Superman does not throw a single punch in this movie. He's not the Hulk, but he's not Ghandi either.

I, for one, really liked Superman Returns. I wouldn't mind a director's cut (and maybe it will make it even better, like the much-improved Daredevil Director's Cut)

1. Superman: The Movie
2. Superman II: Richard Donner Cut
3. Superman Returns
4. Superman II: Original Version
5. Superman III
6. Superman IV

but that's just my opinion.

What's with the urge to call for a 'reboot' for every sequal/ related movie ever made?? What's wrong with sequals? Granted batman begins and star trek were great but saying superman returns sucked coz it wasn't a reboot is just plain stupid.