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• Shatner-Kirk appears as a hologram message that he gave to Nimoy-Spock.
• Nimoy-Spock shows it to Quinto-Spock during their last meeting from the end of the movie (shown above).
• Shatner-Kirk reminisces about the early days upon the Enterprise in a shockingly classy, non-overt way.
• In my opinion, the scriptwriters nailed Shatner-Kirk's dialogue perfectly.
• Overall, it's really pretty damn good. I don't think we lost anything major by not getting it, but it would have been an excellent addition.
But you can go read the whole thing at TrekMovie and see if you agree. I have little doubt you'll let me know if you think I'm wrong.
Comments
DoctorSmashy said:
Aaw, why couldn't that be in the movie....
Posted 11/24/2009 at 11:28:25 AM
cummins said:
That's an excellently written scene. *Sniff* I'm not crying *Sniff*
Posted 11/24/2009 at 11:32:52 AM
BorgQueen replied to cummins:
I am "not crying" right there with ya.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 12:31:33 PM
Gunslinger replied to BorgQueen:
-wipes at eyes and glances around surreptitiously-
You saw nothing!
Posted 11/24/2009 at 01:47:35 PM
yIntagh replied to Gunslinger:
Son-of-a-^%#^#^$ Orci Kurtzman and Abrams are totally on my $|-|!+list now!
First those two bodged Transformers into that bull$*** Bayformers abortion,now they cut out Kirk and left in that smarmy Chris Pine b&**(& in the movie? WHAT THE F***?!?!?!?!?!?
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am completely miserable San Diego! =[
Posted 11/24/2009 at 06:16:20 PM
RobP said:
I have to agree with many of the commenters on this over at TrekMovie.com: Though a cameo, this scene, had Shatner agreed to do it, would have been one of the biggest talking points about the movie. It's well crafted and hits the film's themes exactly right.
Star Trek is still excellent, of course. But it could always have been excellenter.
That said, others are saying this scene should be tried again for the sequel. That seems like a mistake, to me. Missed opportunities rarely, if ever, come to fruition satisfactorily years later...
Posted 11/24/2009 at 12:20:23 PM
BorgQueen said:
I liked their explanation of how this was going to be possible (recorded before Generations), and that Spock Prime would have had this message for a while and found the opportunity to pass it down as it were.
Maybe next movie? If not this cameo maybe another one.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 12:32:32 PM
John Hazard said:
I just wish it was in there so the critics would have hated the movie as much as I do. It's a horrible scene, corny and preposterous- like the "alternate universe" discussion on the bridge, it would have made absolutely no sense within the reality of the story. If a time-traveling bad guy attacked you, would you say, "Wow- we're in an alternate reality now!" And why would old Kirk be talking about his first days on the Enterprise and possibly getting the Enterprise back? They dealt with this in half the Trek movies Kirk was in- do you really think this is all he ever talks about? Plus he sings happy birthday. I'm no hater of Shatner "singing" (the album he did with Ben Folds is actually really excellent), but this would have been awful.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 12:40:24 PM
Skeletor replied to John Hazard:
I dunno...I could see continuing to gallivant around the cosmos being a strong desire of old Kirk, and being something that he does always talk about (or at least, when reminiscing with his best friend). I think it's realistic that this would be a thought of his when he reaches a transition in life.
In II, he became an admiral. A desk job. A transition he was having problems dealing with.
In this holorecording to Spock Prime, he's seeing new cadets on the Enterprise, realizing his time (and that of his old crew) has passed. A transition that, again, he's having problems dealing with.
I liken it to people who graduate from high school, or graduate from college, and immediately see a freshman student (who's not getting the snot pounded out of him or her), and say, "I remember those days. I wish I could be in their shoes again."
I think it works pretty well as a scene, but I do hope they leave it out of future sequels. I agree with RobP on this one: missed opportunity, unfortunately.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 01:31:20 PM
Gregg Reynolds said:
I always Shatner not appearing in the movie was to deny Generations movie disappointments.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 01:33:10 PM
Bill said:
I think it would have been way too corny if filmed. It seems like it works better on a written page.
They need to fully commit to the "new" Trek in future films if they expect the fans to commit to it. No more crossovers, or Shatner cameos, etc. Spock Prime was used sparingly and that was good...the movie wasn't about him, he just had a small role, to tie things together.
Time to move forward now.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 01:37:01 PM
longbowhunter said:
I'm not gonna lie-I teared up a little reading that. I certainly enjoyed the "New Trek" but this would have been a nice little emotional moment to end the old franchise on...should have been filmed.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 02:51:52 PM
JimmyZappa said:
Call me a dork, but I already knew about that deleted scene. Never read the actual dialogue but I knew it existed before the movie came out.
There are two stories floating around as to why it didn't happen, one by the scriptwriters and the other by Shatner. The scriptwriters' story is that Shatner refused the cameo and wanted a more high profile role like the one Nimoy had. Shatner claims that he was never notified of the scene and that Abbrams and crew ended up deciding not to cast Shatner at all in the movie.
I think it would've been a great scene if they would've gone with it.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 03:41:36 PM
Kevin said:
I think this was the ending the finished film needed. What was there was good, but this would had added an extra emotional theme and served the theme of starting over/having a second chance to fulfill greatness. It would have really made the passing of the torch more profound and more fittingly marked the ending or the original Star Trek.
The whole Shatner/Abrams "feud" seemed like a lot of passive-aggressive bitchiness. I wonder if Abrams even showed this to Shatner. I'd like to think Bill would have accepted once he saw how powerful a scene it was, but who knows.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 04:30:34 PM
Tom said:
An unnecessary scene, and I am glad it was not used. It would have drawn attention away from Chris Pine.
I did not need to see Shatner in this film. Kirk died in Generations, I moved on.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 05:32:44 PM
What's all the fuss about moving on? "I MOVED ON! WE MUST MOVE ON! GET OVER IT! WE MUST EMBRACE THE NEW AND DISCARD THE OLD! RAH RAH RAH!"
It wouldn't have detracted form Chris Pine. It just would have been a nice goodbye to one crew as they welcomed in another.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 06:16:19 PM
Tom replied to Kevin:
We already got a wonderful good bye from the original cast at the end of Star Trek VI. We got the hand off from Shatner to Stewart in Generations. How many times do we need to get the magic touch from the old cast? How many times must we say good bye?
Shatner's Kirk died. He died in a moronic manner. Shatner was fine with it, he took the check and cashed it. Put Shatner on the shelf and leave him there, I don't need to see or hear from his Kirk ever again.
Posted 11/24/2009 at 11:59:35 PM







