James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora.
On the fan forum site "Avatar Forums," a topic thread entitled "Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible," has received more than 1,000 posts from people experiencing depression and fans trying to help them cope. The topic became so popular last month that forum administrator Philippe Baghdassarian had to create a second thread so people could continue to post their confused feelings about the movie.
"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."
A post by a user called Elequin expresses an almost obsessive relationship with the film.
"That's all I have been doing as of late, searching the Internet for more info about 'Avatar.' I guess that helps. It's so hard I can't force myself to think that it's just a movie, and to get over it, that living like the Na'vi will never happen. I think I need a rebound movie," Elequin posted.
A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.
"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "
Other fans have expressed feelings of disgust with the human race and disengagement with reality.
I'm certainly having feelings of disgust with the human race, although I think everyone else but me has disengaged from reality. Seriously, you Avatar-worshipping morons? You're letting a freaking Science Fiction 101 -- an admittedly pretty one -- story bum you out so much that life doesn't seem worth living? Goddamn, you people, don't ever read Ender's Game, becaase you will shit yourself. to death. Actually, do. DIE. PLEASE STRAP YOURSELF IN A ROCKET AND SHOOT YOURSELF TO PANDORA. WE DO NOT NEED YOU.
And don't you look smug, CNN reporters. Seriously -- "On the fan forum site 'Avatar Forums,' a topic thread entitled 'Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible," has received more than 1,000 posts'" -- are you fucking kidding me? You're reprting shit idiots say in online forums as news? GODDAMMIT, I AM A NERD WRITING A NERD NEWS SITE AND EVEN I DON'T "REPORT" "NEWS" FROM ONLINE FORUMS. THAT'S THE STUPIDEST BULLSHIT EVER. YOU ARE OFFICIALLY NO LONGER REPORTERS. YOU'VE FAILED. Your punishment is to join the Pan-depressives on the rockets and let them dictate all their horrible Na'vi poetry to you for eternity.
Fuck. FUCK. Thanks to all jillion of you who sent this ridiculous bullshit in.More links from around the web!
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Avatar depressed me because it constantly reminded me of the brutal genocide that my ancestors committed against the Native Americans, and how the fact that I am directly benefiting from that makes me unwillingly complicit in their crimes. Also, most Americans probably aren't even willing to recognize the true scale of what we did to the Native Americans, thus ensuring that effective measures will never be taken to alleviate the negative effects of those crimes on the remaining Native Americans. The movie theater I saw this movie on is built on land my ancestors stole from the Cherokee in blatant violation of our own fucking laws.
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Avatar was.. "meh". Well, yeah, it's shiney and pretty, but we are getting to a "twilight-level" of obsession here. o.O Srly, who want to have creepy wire-like stuff comming out of your hair? Ender's Game. That was some killer book. Need to re-read it sometime...
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I need addresses, people need to some bitch slaps. ...I still liked Avatar though.
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A I the only one scared? Apparently Cameron's producer in a Life After Film School segment that aired recently, speaks of Battle Angel Alita that they were introduced to the property by Guillermo Del Torro (neat!) and suggests that the same technology used to make Avatar will be made to make Alita. (Also the suggestion is there part of the reason Alita was pushed back is Cameron wanted to develop this new technology first). Am I the only one scared about what this could mean for Alita?
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Oh cold world I write thee to say I'm out, I'm cashing it all in, buying the farm, kicking the bucket. Why might ýou ask? For I have watched Watchmen, and I long for a world where Nixon was president for multiple terms and we won the war in Vietnam. A world where a man can be glowing blue and walk around with his dong flying free in the breeze. I realized that I will never pilot Archie or bang Silk Spectre in the cockpit(hehehe) and I can no longer bear the pain. I'm off now to find an Intrisic Field machine so I may be disentegrated into nothingness.. Le frown.
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LOL, ROTFL. Dude. Just... dude. That's so f-ing funny. I'm a thirty year old science fiction fan who has a thing for the furry fandom. You know what the first thing that came across my mind after seeing the movie? (besides how pretty it is. And yes, damn it, its a lot like Dune only not as original) I wanted a taco. I've dealt with these same drama tards in any fandom I've been in. And you know what? Reporting it as news and giving them attention is only fodder for their kind. Perhaps one of them might even actually kill themselves now. Because they have the right motivation. Because their attention grabbing whores, most of them. I mean all of them have mental illness, but only 5% of this ilk truly has what I think are notable, better-get-this-down-on-some-f-ing-paper problems. When I Emperor of humankind, idiots like the reporters in question are the first to go. Well, their pretty up there in the line. -BF
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*palmface* Seriously lol, bunch of retards, suicide for a movie? they're just a bunch of cry babies, I saw the movie and it was pretty good, but never thought people would go so girly into it rofl. Seriously... they get cut with a knife and they go to the ER instead of using alcohol to heal the wound <- thats the kind of girly BS G's and Retards do LOL
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Who the hell is Fropa Jones? Because I can't find any indication that s/he's a fictional character or a famous person. And I've heard "twatwaffle" since I was in high school at least, so, unless Google is missing something, I doubt this person originated it.
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I literaly read this about a minute after seeing it on Colbert. .... ....Is this where we are, people? Is this the state of our species now? Just wondering....
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Theres a group of idiots who say avatar is racist because a white man who spends 90% of the movie as an alien, is the white messiah for the poor little natives. Theres no one on this planet who is a blue furry alien, so it doesnt matter. Avatar would be Specieist not racist
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Theres a group of idiots who say avatar is racist because a white man who spends 90% of the movie as an alien, is the white messiah for the poor little natives. Theres no one on this planet who is a blue furry alien, so it doesnt matter. Avatar would be Specieist not racist
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MSNBC was here. CNN is a loser.
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If online voting was involved, then it's no surprise.
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I was most disappointed to discover, this morning, that the Metro, a free (but usually quality) local newspaper, had this story as their entire third page. It isn't news, other than smiling condescendingly at a bunch of selfish emo kids. At least the headline ("Feeling blue?") was worth a smirk.
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I woke up this morning feeling nothing more than a profound pit of despair. I rolled out of bed, noting the frigidity of the air around me. No matter how much I bundled myself in clothes, I felt the wind's biting chill as I made my way to work. Work, a place where I would get bitched out by fools with PhDs who can't work a copy machine. The origin of these dark feelings? My soul is Fremen, and Arrakis is but a dream that will never be realized. Ever since I read Dune, I have wanted to plant my harpoon deep into the back of Shai'Hulud, navigating the deep desert in my stilsuit, drinking the sweet nectar of reclaimed bodily waste. To be schooled in the Wierding Ways of the Bene Gesserit and the mysterious Orange Catholic Bible, to feel the bite of the Gom Jabbar, to drink the Water of Life and enter that dark place, emerging the Kwisatz Haderach! Oh, I realize that as a female I could not be the Kwisatz Haderach and this saddens me, but not as much as the fact that our planet is so drab and grey, unlike the varied browns of Arrakis! I don't know how I can go on! It is taking every ounce of strength I have left to not drink all the yellow toner in the stockroom to recreate the spice agony! THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN!
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Am I the only one that thought of the music video for "Billie Jean" everytime they were walking around the forest and the ground lit up every time they took a step. I want to live in a world like that. Oh why can't someone design a technology that allows the ground to light up when I walk! Also, there's an official Jedi religion, a Na'vi religion can't be far behind. In all seriousness though, sometimes peoples' dedication to unreality is frightening.
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Well that is the most pathetic thing I've ever laid my eyes on. Furries have got to quit it.
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The saddest part is that if you just look at the movie from a different angle, all it is is Disney's Pocahontas. http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/ Thank you, Failblog.
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If Bay successfully starts a Transformers religion, I'm fucking out of here.
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Make them watch "Requiem for a Dream", that should make them feel better. Or make the c*nts an Avatar MMO (Considering how well its going, its definitely gonna happen). Avatar was the weirdest movie I've ever seen, it started good, got terrible, and got good again the moment things started to blow up.
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Yes. Don't let Card's Mormon-induced homophobia taint your perceptions. Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide are all excellent books. Everything post-Xenocide is shit... kinda like how everything after book three of Dune is shit.
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Yes, I wish we had bio-luminescent grass and floating rocks, and maybe having an ethernet connection growing out of your head is a little weird but kinda useful. (I'm not docking with other people or animals though, that's way gay). But I am not depressed over it. Why? Because I saw those pictures of the Crystal Cave in Mexico on BBC2 and Nat-Geo yesterday and that shit blew my mind.
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I'm probably the only person who's going to defend these people any, at all, ever. But I kind of felt the same way for a couple of days after seeing the movie. I never had suicidal thoughts, but at a time when I was already depressed, sick of the world, and feeling like my life was completely pointless, an extremely visually immersive story about an entirely new <i>existence</i> was incredibly alluring. Sure, it wasn't real. But when a person's desire for something else, <i>anything</i> else besides their normal life meets a story about the most complete escapism possible, then people start to think crazy things. Just saying, you could meet me on the street and without thinking "man, that guy's crazy." These people were probably depressed before they saw the movie, and are now using it as fuel for their problems. Don't judge 'em too harshly. And yes, CNN is kind of desperate for stories if this qualifies as 'news.'
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Am I the only one that thinks Enders Game is horribly overated? And people are stupid, this shouldn't shock anyone.
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I did. Where are my three breasted hookers? The beauty of having one more breast than the number of hands that I have has sent me on a downward spiral of depression. I have not stopped playing the NES Total recall game since it came out as it is my only way to keep in touch with that hooker. I am not able to live much longer without my three tittied hookers!
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Twatwaffle was originally spoken by Fropa Jones and one of her friends as an insult meant with some love behind it, but it does cross over into the mean category.
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Didn't anybody feel like that after seeing Total Recall?
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Well I've lived in Australia my entire life, and you are right. We've got practically every form of environment found on the planet here, except for arctic and jungle, and it is gorgeous. It doesn't need to be digitally enhanced. I also agree to everyone that has replied here, these Avatards need to get off their arses and look around themselves! If they want to live like the god damn Na'vi, then they should do something to save this planet.
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Wait, I get it now. The "fi" in sci-fi stands for FICTION. It all makes sense now. I thought I was crazy when I couldn't remember a bunch of cyborgs coming down to "assimilate us." What a relief. Fiction, thought it stood for field. Fiction makes a lot more sense though.
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Dear Topless Robot, Ever since I watched the envelope-pushing sci-fi classic Pocahontas (screened in revolutionary 2D), I have been overcome by an intractable depression. Having been introduced to the fantastic world of Disney's Native American culture TM I am saddened that I cannot live out this beautiful and natural lifestyle and must spend the rest of my days in boring old Westernized reality. Please help.
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Incidentally was there an epidemic of depression following the release of Pocahontas? Seriously though, really good point satur8: however simplistic the plot, Avatar is very much about treatment of Native Americans & similar historical (and present day) abuses; the fact that hypocrisy still exists as you have described is a good argument for continuing to tell this kind of story, and I assure you it's not limited to Americans.
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It struck me that there could be a publicity stunt/PR element to the depression thread story - at least in the way it's been picked up and enlarged by the mainstream media.
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Hurmmmmmm I think it is time to play bait the media. Start a rumor campaign. Post on one of these forums that you are a fan of Avatar who could not bear the burden of being cursed to live on Earth with all those evil humans. Post that your love of Pandora drove you to the depths of dispair. You had to live the blue skinned life. So you offed your parents for the inheritance money to pay for having your entire body surgically modified. The procedure included getting new ears, dental implants, custom contact lenses, a tail graft. and got your entire body tattooed blue. You could not go to Pandora alone so you bought a Na'vi love doll from realdoll.com, they have ones with elf ears and you can get them with blue skin already, you just have to add a tail to the tale. (ok... maybe that's a little bit redundant...) Then post that you are going to marry your silicone Na'vi mate online. Now that is a news story I can believe in! I want to hear old Wolfie boy talk about the threat to the psyche of American youth from this movie. Yeah! That's the ticket...
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Someone please have a convention of these people so I can lick their tasty tears a la Cartman, oh please!!!
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Twatwaffles is now a permanent part of my daily lexicon. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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In the time it takes them to post, bemoaning their "Avatar"-induced depression, they could have helped Noah Wylie save a polar bear. Ah, well, if there is some truth to this, I certainly hope these people seek out help.
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Seriously, the dude just needs a vacation.
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Sh!t, I even live in Las Vegas. All you ever see is the casinos in the movies, you never see the awesome desert territory we have around there, and the wicked cliff jumping out at Mojave. Or the forests on Spring Mountain. These losers need to freaking go outside, man.
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over a thousand posts of joking? I find that doubtful considering the tone of some of the posts although trolling that thread seems like a GREAT idea right now...
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And just when I thought I couldn't possibly lose any more faith in humanity....there it goes. Sweet zombie christ, what the bloody hell is wrong with this world....twatwaffles on a forum are now news? And people wonder why I drink....
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I grew up in Fairfield and I hear you... I live in Australia now which, if i wanted natural beauty, has so much my eyes would probably explode though i've heard most of it more like Dune
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Yep. And somehow-- Moot beat out Kari Byron as the sexiest nerd of 2009.
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I think everyone on that forum might be joking ... it sounds fun... I think I might post there... let me think...
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Yeaaaaaaaaah, call me when this inspires the same bizarre fanatacism Star Wars has 30+ years later.
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Yay! Nerd rage at its finest -- Thank you for making me blow seltzer out of my nose.
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I must say - of all the things about this story, what I am most affronted by is the tag "stupid acts of nerdery." Let's not equate manic depressive episiodes and emo fashion statements about obsessing over a pretty 3-D reworking of Pocahontas with nerdery. That just makes my D&D character sheet feel...sullied.
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How is "fans take themselves WAY too seriously" news?
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Yeah. As pointless as the lives of people who want a boyfriend made out of glittery rock or a planet of blue people riding raptors out of some Saturday morning cartoon.
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Here, here. Jungles that glow in the dark? (Cloud forests, Amanita mushrooms and/or some good acid and a full moon. Yep, you're covered.) Giant blue people. Hindu mythology. Becoming one with nature, young warrior. Um...something with Wes Studi in it OTHER than Avatar. (Really. It makes you wonder what he does at family reunions.) Mystery Men, for example, has an old Cherokee guy in goofy spandex tights who psychologically tortures Ben Stiller, which seems to far surpass Avatar for interesting things you can do with Wes Studi. Oh, and you can see Zoe Saldana's real legs in the Star Trek movie.
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well, as someone who has seen "Avatar" and found its beauty to be eye-candy at best, allow me to represent all of us when i sayBAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! ...that is all.
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All NASA would need to do is point them in the direction of C3454.3 and give them a couple of cans of Spagetti-O's.
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Wait a minute...that paper says you can get attacked by communists if you consort with a fictional character. These guys totally need to get with the folks on the forum and have a word. One's lack of a sense of reality should cancel out the other's quite nicely.
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Since when are forum post newsworthy?
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If all countries that have won a Nebula award (maybe) felt that the entire world was ripping them off. (Now the writer they're probably claiming as the architect of something like Pandora was good, don't get me wrong, but it's not like it wasn't done with, oh, C.S. Lewis or something far earlier.)
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I'm fairly certain that, whilst people get in to all sorts of nerd!rage at such things around here, we do not <i>literally</i> want to kill ourselves over them.
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He can sell them those jellies that stick to walls when you throw them as special commensalist...root things that place you in control of your very surroundings.
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People who are obsessed with something so much that it controls their whole life... it makes me sad... I can't really explain it. Like that TMNT girl that was posted here awhile back. She was happy with her life, but a lot of people thought negatively of her.
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sorry meant wasn't true.
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I don't ever remember people here threatening suicide because Transformers was true to the comic or cartoon. Yeah we fly into nerd rages about it, but then we calm down and move on.
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Yeah if it was still around they would be reporting on the mass suicides rather than about people talking about committing suicide on an Avatar forum.
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I was slightly suicidal that I spent $32 on tickets for Fropa Jones and myself to see this piece of shits. But you know; I got over it.
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Hell Ted I live in Fairfield county, about an hour outside of NYC and there is tons of beautiful shit all over the place. One of my favorite hikes is right downtown, beautiful view of the city.
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OK, I just want to go on record here. I'm a fan of Avatar. Seen it several times, probably will again. But these people... my god. I don't want to be associated with that kind of obsessive fandom. o.o;
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Remember when people sacrificed in order to further America's goals of planetary exploration? And then the Yuppies destroyed it? And now those same yuppies and their kids wonder why we aren't drag-assing around the galaxy - morons and America, two intertwined vines growing on the world tree.
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i live in new zealand, infinitely better natural things to see here than in avatar...
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Same here, and I nodded. I loved my life, and in a lot of ways consider it to be pretty much over with the loss of functionality in my leg. I was pretty wistful at the idea of just getting a whole new body to play around in. But this also kind of pisses me off for the same reason. The idea of perfectly healthy people pissing on the life that I'd kill to have is just annoying. Not wanting to kill myself every morning for the rest of my life as I wait for the pain meds to take effect. Not having to look out the window at a world that's mostly denied me now. That's my pandora. Except my reality is knowing that it does exist, and people like them are just turning their backs on the thing that's my fondest dream. I really hope these are just stupid kids being stupid kids and not adults.
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As a fellow Washintonian I hear ya. Perhaps they should direct their energies to preserving the beauty we still have on earth?
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Morons are taking Avatar. Period.
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Just two more groups of girls that won't be punch the old v-card huh?
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So the bar bet was between Cameron and Bay.
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What I find to be ironic is that it is the same syndrome that happens on this website, every time Heroes, Transformers or a few other topics come up. Hoory for hypocrisy at it's finest
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In Russia, film bans you!
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Yep, it's called "Planet Earth" and it's so amazing that people had to use the word "nature porn" to describe it. The series was so good, it made people want to buy a 72" HDTV and then buy the series on BluRay. (Whether it helped people save the planet is unknown.) The point is that EVERYTHING they filmed for this series is REAL! Everything on "Pandora" is computer generated. Do these "people" not realize that? Or are we all falling for the biggest hoax of the year? Sure, there are some people that might get depressed after seeing a movie, and sure those people might gather in a forum somewhere, but in what reality is this considered so news-worthy that CNN has to do a story on it? What, was there no depression-news in the WoW forums? Where are the reports about all the people who are depressed over why the Jedi and Sith just can't get along? Are we sure CNN isn't reporting a story from The Onion? lol
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Look, I fucking LOVE Star Trek. LOVE. Have my whole life, will until the day I die. And do I sometimes wish that our world was all peaceful and humans dedicated themselves to exploration and the gathering of knowledge rather than bullshit wars and the conquering of innocent people's lands? Well, hell yeah, I wish that every day. Who doesn't, really? But have I ever sat down and thought about killing myself because our world isn't and, for the forseeable futre won't be, like that? Um, no. I have a life, I have perspective on things, I have episodes on DVD I can watch anytime. I also realize that Star Trek IS FUCKING FICTION! A story or stories made up for entertainment value and therefore not something that one should form this kind of intense emotional bond with. Jeez. Can we officially now say that Avatar fans are crazier that Trekkies?
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When I first saw this headline I thought it was about the 'Avatar' program not being a reality, as in disabled individuals being able to transfer in to a perfectly new and capable body, that I could understand. But that uh...that was not the case here.
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Yep, I'd pay to play so I can grind those blue freaks under the heals of my evil imperialist mecha and then decorate my home with their blue pelts.
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I'm seeing this story everywhere, and it's a wonderful example of astroturfing suckering a bunch of people. Geez, the hype team for Avatar must have had to change their pants three times by now. You people have bit DEEP.
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Well, now I hate humanity. The circle is complete.
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It's like CNN doesn't know how the internet works...
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good idea but at the same time thats a bad one, bc it wont be the same as actually being there, it wont look the same at all either avatar was a meh movie that people are willing to off themselves for its retarded
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Think about the hype for Twilight... some of the worst rubbish written in some time being praised like it's the second coming. Just accept the fact that people today have no taste or standards or... well... critical insight or intelligence. I teach English to high school students and have to hear daily how pointless and stupid books like Candide are. It's a sad world to live in when you're someone who recognizes good writing versus poor.
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NEXT ON CNN: TERRORIST "WEB SITE" PLANS TO TAKE DOWN CELEBRITY WITH 9000 PEDOFILIC PENI!
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What's Avatar?
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YELLOW VAN
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CNN gets worse and worse. I want to kill the guy who gave them an Internet connection.
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The ultimate would be a Twilight/Avatar fan cutting themselves because they don't "sparkle" and then crying because they didn't bleed blue.
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How many "Avatar"-obsessed losers does it take to make science fiction fans look insane? 1000, apparently.
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Further proof that natural selection no longer exists.
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And I STILL have no desire to see this movie!
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i see what you did there...
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Umm, Avatar MMORPG?? why has no one thought of making all of these people pay shit tons of money to 'live' in their online world...
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Don't hold it in, Rob... tell us how you REALLY feel...
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Buy a dog folks!
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Daboo-dee daboo-dah?
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I'm surprised you guys haven's seen the report Fox News did on Anonymous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkAngvkWVkk
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Seriously, where do these depressed fuckers live? I live in Washington (the state, not D.C.) and there are so many beautiful natural areas to retreat to when civilized life becomes overwhelming. Never once have I thought it would be nice to have a tail. Fuck these fucktards, fuck Avatar, and fuck CNN.
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I understand how being 15 ft blue cat/lizard- Actually. I'm making a surgery to make people look like 15ft tall cat/lizards. I'll be rich. Don't kill yourselves just yet filthy cretins. Side note- Discussed with humanity for acts in a fictional story? Why not be sick of them for actual acts they've done, or even worst fictional acts.
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talk a walk = take a walk. Gorram typos.
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I thought it was a bar bet between Hubbard and Heinlein. But point taken.
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