• Possibly because he braced his feet or flew against while the first time he was just standing.

• ...Kids, that's not Vibe. That's the Earth-3 version of Static. That's right, the mirror universe version of a black teen superhero is a white thug villain. McDuffie is going to scream louder than Alan Moore when he sees this. And since he hasn't, you know he hasn't seen it yet.

• In all fairness to Superman where the first incident is concerned, he's staring right at Superwoman's chest when she punches him. Who wouldn't freeze in that situation?

• I got this on Saturday and it's Awesome! Mark it up next to Wonder Woman as the best animated superhero movie yet.

• Firefly's Gina Torres as Super Woman? Sexy. Also.. James Woods as Owl Man? Sexy. Er.. I mean...

• Well technically it's his evil Earth 2 counterpart. Plus when not caught off guard, Superman does own him.

• i was thinking the same thing when they were missing the earth 3 flash and the crime sydicate had elongated man black lighting which is cool to see him animated. and Vixen on the team. plus that little kid break dancing has to be vibe. the crime sydicate merged with jl Detroit though Vixen was the one good person to come out of that version of the Jl.

• I think I get it. They're combining the Earth 3 Crime Syndicate with the lame Justice League team that had Vibe, Vixen, etc. That's pretty clever actually.

• Holy crap. That wouldn't make Superman sixty times as strong as Thor. Sixty THOUSAND. Obviously, typing is not one of my super-powers.....

• I know Byrne's intent was to increase dramatic tension by making Superman's powers (and especially his strength) more manageable. But did he? After decades of deliberately avoiding numerically quantifying Superman's strength, DC screwed the pooch a couple of decades ago: DC's Who's Who described the post-Byrne Superman as being strong enough to lift the largest of the Great Pyramids without help from his flying ability. I think they were trying to continue with their traditional ambiguity, giving a description rather than a Marvel Universe Handbook-style number. But apparently whoever wrote that description didn't realize that Geeks Look Shit Up. The damn pyramid apparently weighs six. Million. Tons. And Superman can fucking Lift It! I'm sure DC never intended for that figure to be considered canon, and would probably never have published that line if it ever occurred to anyone that an actual number could be applied there. But given that Marvel's heaviest hitters seem to top out in the neighborhood of 100 tons, this is pretty staggering. By definition, that would make Superman Sixty Times as Strong as Thor. The very idea makes me smile, but imagine the fanboy outrage if DC decided that this was Officially Superman's strength level. Obviously, like any other chrarcter, he's as weak or as stong as the writer needs him to be for the dictates of a particular scene. As for being an interesting character, I've found him to be so both pre- and post-Byrne. It's just that the older writers didn't often have the necessary facility for getting at what made the character fun to read about. But several writers, including Alan Moore and Grant Morrison (I know, setting the bar kinda high here...)have written some damned entertaining stories about the old, even-more-omnipotent Superman. And no, none of this means I want to see only fight scenes in which the Big Guy steps in and pwns everybody in a hummingbird's heartbeat. Just want writers to work a little harder to make me believe it when the guy has to struggle.

• Yup. :(

• Greg said: "The problem ultimately lies with the flaw that is the Superman character. He's fucking indestructible, with virtually unlimited strength, flight, x-ray vision, heat vision, freezing breath, and his only weakness is an incredibly rare rock. Not really a fair fight between him and well anybody. Realistically you don't NEED a Justice League because Supes can handle it." I think you guys forget that, in the DC setting, Superman isn't the only character with super strength, high levels of invulnerability, or powerful energy blasts. If he's getting hit by something that hurts him, chances are .... it's because the guy hitting him is super strong too. Why is this concept so hard to understand? As far as getting hurt by the blue energy blast from the poplocking guy (Vibe), I think it knocked him down because he was caught by surprise. But afterward, he concentrated through the pain, braced himself and slowly moved forward against the force of it. I think we've all been blindsided before where our reaction was way more than it should be because of the surprise factor.

• In the JLU, Supes continually got pounded when it suited the writers whim, then stood up and finished the fight that shouldn't have been a fight in the first place. That always bothered me. I mean, why can he deflect that electricity bolt from that lame pop-n'locker kid from the front but not from the back??! WTF. So now his powers relies on his being cognizant of what's approaching?? Have just (re)watched all 7 seasons of Buffy, she is like the superman of her universe; She takes a lot of hits until she decides to end the fight - like she's a glutton for punishment. Never realized there was a name for it. Thanks, Topless Robot!

• Yeah, this is how the Justice League always worked. And it's not just Superman. J'onn J'onnz always fights at about 10% of his potential, as does Wonder Woman and whichever Green Lantern is on board, all so that people like Batman and Green Arrow can have some conceivable reason for even being there.

• Ummm maybe I'm watching a different clip than everyone else, but all I see is Superman getting punched once by someone who almost equals his strength, and getting zapped from behind only to turn around and toss the kid. Hardly "embarrassing." What was everyone expecting from the guy? I can't wait for this, it looks fantastic.

• Good god, you sure are bitchy about a clip of a movie that hasn't even been released yet... I've been enjoying these direct-to-video DC movies so far.

• It's called "The Worf Effect". The supposedly toughest guy on the team gets utterly pwned every week just so the bad guy can show how tough he is. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

• Yeah, except none of that has been true since, oh, 1986. His strength's limited, he's vulnerable to a bunch of stuff - including just being straight-up beaten to death - and is an interesting character. Pre-Byrne, sure, a dull character. Modern Superman's pretty fun.

• Superman just got served! Hahaaaaa! Oh, shut up. Don't hate me because I'm awesome. Hate me because you're not.

• The problem ultimately lies with the flaw that is the Superman character. He's fucking indestructible, with virtually unlimited strength, flight, x-ray vision, heat vision, freezing breath, and his only weakness is an incredibly rare rock. Not really a fair fight between him and well anybody. Realistically you don't NEED a Justice League because Supes can handle it. I've never liked Superman. Stupid character. Big blue boyscout.

• 'it seemed to me that Supes got his ass kicked waayyyy more often than any of the lesser-powered chrarcters (e.g. anyone!)In one episode, he even complained about it to Darkseid' Yes, because if Darkseid hits Batman or Flash, the net result is a wet spot on the wall. Justice League played with MASSIVE stakes, and as a result Superman's the only guy the villains can get heat on. There's nothing wrong with that - it's a storytelling necessity.

• Aaargh. More nerds need to watch wrestling to understand how to script a storyline. This is what's known as building up heat. In order to make the viewer care about the good guys making a comeback, the bad guys have to look dominant at first. That's basic pro wrestling storytelling 101, it's worked since the dawn of television, and it works the same way in any other story with a hero and a villain. If all you have is good guys trampling over overmatched bad guys, you get shit like Gundam Wing, where unless you're a six-year-old or kill-count-obsessed otaku, you develop no sympathy for the heroes and don't hate the villains.

• Super man was being tossed around so much because the creators did not want to over power the other characters by having super man show how powerful he is and prve them really not needed in the fight. and i think that that is suppose to vibe. guess the execs got told who ever e2 vibe is suppose to be filling in for that they could not use the character. so vibe. proving that dc animators love making super man lame in movies Vibe the horror

• No, no there isn't. He's a horrible stereotype.

• Yeah, I don't think it's at all unrealistic to say that the writers/producers have some serious issues with the Man of Steel. In many, many episodes (at least the way I recall them) Superman is taken out of the fight as early as possible, usually rallying somewhere around the time things are about to wrap up. I used to think it was the writers' way of dealing with the difficulty of writing these gang-fights believably. Gotta be hard with such a near-omnipotent character on the team. Even the less-powerful-than-he is-in-the-comics version in the cartoons should still be able to finish most fights before his teammates even know what's going on. Trouble is, their solution seems to be stuff like what you describe above: a Superman who seems embarrassingly incompetent. In the Justice League cartoons, it seemed to me that Supes got his ass kicked waayyyy more often than any of the lesser-powered chrarcters (e.g. anyone!)In one episode, he even complained about it to Darkseid, rationalizing that he has to hold back because he's too powerful to Really Open Up on anyone he fought. After which Supes expressed gratitude to Darkseid for his being the one foe he could finally go all out with---after which DARKSEID KICKS HIS ASS ANYWAY. I don't think the filmmakers are trying to deal with an imbalance of power anymore. They just Don't Like Superman. Oh, and, BTW, I'm pretty sure the kid w/ the shades must be Vibe. Rob, if you're not a longtime DC Comics fan, then you're probably blissfully unaware of the wretched period of JLA history represented by this character. And you may wanna stay that way.

• I hope the pop-lock shock doesn't start a meme. That just made me groan... out loud.

• I think it is. Is there no way to use that character with any dignity?

• Yeah, I never understood why Supes is constantly getting tossed around like a bitch. He's freaking Superman!

• I can't even count the number of times that the Justice League goes into battle and Superman is nailed through a building right off the bat and out of the fight until it's all over. It's also known as the Worf Effect: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

• I think the moviemakers want to point out the difference of the characters between the parallel earths. Good Supes tries to talk his way out of it, Bad Superwoman sents him to the dentist without hesitating one bit....

• Is that supposed to be Vibe? My god.

• Oh, that's just humiliating.

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