Daily List suggested by bgoul030. 30) Luther Sloan
The appearance of this covert Section 31 agent who made life miserable for Julian Bashir on Deep Space Nine blew the lid off of Starfleet's dark side. His outlook -- like that of many characters on DS9 -- eschewed viewing the world in and black and white to instead focus on the shades of gray that keep society functioning.
29) Reman Viceroy
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28) John Frederick Paxton
Enterprise had many problems, but quality acting was never one of them. The series' most memorable foe (only memorable foe?) was John Frederick Paxton, a bigot who wanted Earth to be free from non-human life forms. Peter Weller's portrayal infused the character with some genuine menace that made for some captivating television.
27) Lursa and B'Etor
What's the greatest legacy of the Duras sisters? How the pair caused endless grief for Worf, or how they introduced an entire generation to Klingon breasts?
26) Brunt
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25) The Pah-Wraiths
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24) The Vidiians
The old urban legend about kidney thieves got a sci-fi makeover in the form of this race from Star Trek: Voyager who were inflicted with a disease that forced them to harvest the organs of healthy aliens in order to stay alive. Eventually the show revealed that the illness ravaging the Vidiian people was cured, thus shattering viewers hopes of seeing a gnarly Chakotay on the bridge.
23) Armus
Apparently, even in the 24th century BP is fucking shit up.
22) Worf's Zit
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21) The Devidians
The Devidians were the alien race that were ingesting the life energy of dying San Franciscans in the "Time's Arrow" Star Trek: The Next Generation two-parter (the episodes where Data loses his head in the 19th century and Mark Twain gets into hi-jinks). Their ability to effortlessly travel through time and space to prey on weaker civilizations makes them one of the more interesting races to pop up on the series. Sadly, an exploration the Devidians' motives was glossed over by the writers so that viewers could see more madcap antics by the theater troupe the Enterprise crew was posing as. Come to think of it, maybe all Trek-related comedy should be up higher on this list.
20) Lore
Poor Lore. He just wanted to get the attention from Dr. Soong that Data did, but instead his superior brother who got all the breaks and chicks shot and deactivated him and before stealing his emotion chip. So who really is the bad guy here?
19) Mugatu
A big horned Space Yeti? Fuck and yes.
18) The "Conspiracy" Aliens
The first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation was shaky at best. A high point of the year was the "Conspiracy" episode in which Picard and company encountered some delightfully shitty stop-motion aliens who apparently lived in Trapper Keepers. Jump to 5:28 in the above clip and enjoy some special effects that make Belial in Basket Case look like a Lucasfilm creation by comparison. Even though they are extraordinary cheesy, the creatures are so shithouse bonkers that you have to admire them.
17) Moriarty
This is a bit of a cheat because Moriarty wasn't a villain created specifically for Star Trek, but since one of the greatest bastards ever in pop culture turned up on the show it seems fitting that he be featured here as well. And speaking of holograms...
16) The Holodeck
Even though it's not a sentient being, too much bad shit goes on in the Holodeck for the Federation to not see it as a threat. Be it games of Parrises Squares or Wild West whores who look like Data, there's always something crazy going in there. On board the Enterprise you can't get Romulan Ale, but you can fuck simulations of your crewmates and get in all sorts of danger on the Holodeck at any given time. That just doesn't seem right.
Comments
rickicker said:
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
seriously rob, that should be number one. not just the meme, but the sheer loathsomeness of the guy.
besides, DOMINIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON doesn't exactly roll of the tongue, now does it?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:09:31 AM
rickicker replied to Awesomecakes:
ahh, whoops, sorry. got used to screaming "FFFFUUUUCK YOUUUUU ROOOOOB" each time an FFF is posted. X3
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:11:30 AM
Regicide replied to rickicker:
Has anyone here ever read John Zerzans or Larry Nivens critiques of the Star Trek universe?
Niven thought they were impractical and he made fun of the fact that every alien was a bipedal humanoid. As if they all evolved from tree dwelling mammals like us. Whereas Zerzan thought the entire concept and view of the future was inherently fascist.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:04:02 PM
But wasn't there an episode of TNG where it was revealed that most of the aliens came from a single species? I think it was a season 6 episode called The Chase and was a catch-all explanation for why most of the alien species were humanoid bi-peds.
And really, you're talking about a TV show with a set budget. Doesn't really allow for producing extremely exotic aliens. And as for the criticisms against the Federation, Deep Space Nine handled those concerns with The Maquis and Section 31.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:22:01 PM
Regicide replied to MattK:
It wasn't me! I was just bringing up things that you could easily research online.
Niven tried to correct this when he wrote for the animated series by giving them the Kzinti. Who were evolved from cats.
Still, though. Star Trek had some pretty lame aliens. Bumps on the bridge of your nose made you a new species. Dots along the side of your neck made you a new species. Star Wars had more imaginative aliens during the 2 minute long cantina scene than Trek had during it's entire tenure of multiple series. And you shouldn't try to excuse it.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:47:09 PM
Jeff Z replied to Regicide:
When you understand that the makeup budget just for the 4-minute Star Wars Cantina sequence was probably double the makeup budget for an entire TOS season, maybe you'll get that the show could only do so much with the money.
That's also not counting the 18 months of preproduction and concept design/illustration work that Star Wars had before shooting. It's a lot easier to come up with a crapload of cool aliens when you can put 3 months or more of drawing into it.
They probably a couple of weeks just to shoot those scenes, too; Trek eps for all series were shot in 6 or 7 days with a 10-week turnaround for finished film shipped to the network.
Even doing the Animated ep with the Kzinti was a pretty major undertaking for Filmation. It only takes about 6-9 *months* to put a show like that in the can, even back in 1973.
If you think creating a new set of completely non-human, non-bipedal aliens on a weekly basis is so cheap and easy, go buy copies of Maya and ZBrush and find for yourself what it really takes.
These shows are just shows, dude. Lots of people work long and hard on them, but there's limitations to what can be done.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:54:11 PM
Drew replied to rickicker:
I would have a least thrown the Borg a dishonorable mention, maybe as the mysterious early collective that attacked Archer & crew on Star Trek : Enterprise.
Question: did any really memorable villians menace ALL incarnations of the Star Trek franchise? Hmmm...
Posted 07/09/2010 at 08:13:05 PM
Two things about the Dominion:
1. They actually managed to attack Earth, something only the Borg and the Xindi (pre-Federation though) have ever managed to do. Granted, it was nothing more than a raid, but you have to think about the psychological ramifications. Imagine if during WWII, the Germans managed to launch an air raid against New York or DC? Even if it did no real damage, it would still freak people out.
2. During one episode of DS9 it was mentioned that Dominion forces had pushed Starfleet back almost to the Vulcan system, which has long been established as being the closest alien system to Sol. They also managed to conquer Trill, Betazed and I think a few other notable worlds.
Really, if it hadn't been for the Romulans, the Federation and the Klingons would have lost the war and badly.
Posted 07/12/2010 at 02:14:01 PM
kwed said:
Really surprised Khan doesn't take the list. And I also have to say that I am surprised more of the original Trek villains aren't higher up. And how does Q not make the top 5? I mean without Q there is no Borg.
My top 3;
3. Borg
2. Q
1. Khan
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:17:34 AM
Unemployed in Greenland said:
Hey I've got an idea: post the results to the GI Joe contest.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:27:31 AM
Jedisilk said:
Personally, I think Weyoun deserved a space all on his own, but I totally agree that the Dominion rates over Khan. Khan just made life difficult for Kirk. The Dominion tried to take over the entire fucking Alpha Quadrant. If the Borg had more interesting characters in their collective, however, they'd be number 1 in my book. If only for the most awesome catchphrase ever! "You will be assimilated, Resistance is futile."
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:38:08 AM
Jedisilk replied to Jedisilk:
Also, with regards to Section 31, personally I think the more telling reason that Sloan is a villain is the fact that he worked for an agency that was ok with committing genocide by giving the changelings -thru ODO who was allies with the federation for christ sake- a 24th century version of leprosy. Bashir got off light.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:49:16 AM
Jason Thorn replied to Jedisilk:
Any time you want to imagine the thinking behind guys like Sloan, Strannix from the movie UNDER SIEGE said it best:
"I got tired...of coming up with last-minute solutions to impossible problems created by OTHER f*cking people."
For all the great leaders and monumental decisions, there will always be covert operations by people whose acts wn't be revealed for centuries. There'll always be a Section 31, in spite of the utopia Star Trek was supposed to be.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:30:36 AM
Jedisilk replied to Jason Thorn:
Very true and that is the realism that made DS9 great. Remember though, it wasn't until after Roddenberry died that such shades of gray showed up within the Federation. If he had been alive you can be assured there wouldn't have been a Section 31. He wouldn't have permitted it. As much as I idolized Roddenberry, I have to admit he was too keen on keeping things black and white, at least with regards to the ethics of the Federation.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 01:56:47 PM
wanderfarer replied to Jedisilk:
I just wish to register my agreement that Weyoun is fucking great.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:16:28 PM
Jedisilk replied to wanderfarer:
Cool! I didn't know anyone else really liked Weyoun. He's so fantastically slimy. Jeffrey Combs is the most awesome actor that no one knows.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 02:09:18 PM
Cercidas replied to Jedisilk:
Weyoun? Weyoun? :-)
Jeffery Coombs was most likely and probably the best-fitting character for that particular role. He played it very well.
I first came across Jeffery back in the 1980's playing - of all things - a mad scientist ("Reanimator"). Back then I thought, "Wanna see more of this guy - he plays his roles a little too well ..."
The other Kudos character should be GARAK from DS9. Literally the character out of a John Le Carre book, he is the Star Trek version of "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy". Bonus: he does the job so well - and and it's *so* creepy, you've got to laugh.
Eg: "Well, the and I will have a little ... chat".
So well delivered. You get the impression that it's more than a "little chat". . His lines and outlook are worth further investigation, or so I think.
Posted 07/10/2010 at 08:44:43 AM
Jedisilk replied to Cercidas:
My husband loves the Reanimator too. Apparently, he has copy of the movie signed by Jeffrey Combs. Combs also played like 4 different roles in Deep Space Nine. As I said, he is the most awesome actor that nobody (other than sci-fi/horror geeks) knows.
Posted 07/12/2010 at 08:51:42 PM
THE PR0F3550R said:
DS9 is my favorite of all the Treks, but even I think Khan deserves to be #1. His obsession with James T. Kirk is rivaled only by Dukat's obsession with Sisko. #2 is Gul Dukat. As bad as the Dominion is as the polar opposite of the Federation, it's an organization and group of adversaries, but it was the individuals of that group namely the Female Changling and the Vorta Weyoun who really defined villany. DS9 has the best and most complex villains of any Trek series. I think that's what gives it a true good versus evil feel that contributed to its powerful and emotional storytelling. DS9 is truly an epic saga. Every major protagonist had an equally menacing antagonist. Sisko, Kira, and the Prophets had Dukat, Kai Winn, and the Pah-wraiths. The Federation and the Alpha Quadrant had the Dominion and the Gamma Quadrant. The Klingons had the Jem'Hadar. Odo had the Founders and the Female Changling. Quark had Brunt.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:44:58 AM
Manick74 said:
I'm just amazed at how many DS:9 villains are on this list. Not that I disagree, none of the other Treks meant much to me after watching the entire DS:9 run. Glad to see other people give the series at least some kind of respect.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:48:39 AM
Asat replied to Manick74:
Even the fans who can't bear to sit through serious drama have to admit that DS9 had the most (and also the best) non-juvenile storytelling of any of the Star Trek series. Not that serious drama is inherently better than episodic shoot-em-ups...but action sequences don't often qualify for lists like this.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:07:30 PM
Spessartine said:
How are the Borg not number one!? They are the perfect sci-fi baddies. Hell, they violated Picard! He cries in pure rage when he can't be allowed to destroy them!
The Borg should top this list, and every list of the best Sci-Fi (Star Trek and everything else) villains ever.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:48:45 AM
The Man With Two Brains replied to Spessartine:
There are some great things about the Borg and I like them, but they're a rip-off of the Cybermen from Doctor Who. The sleeping alcoves, the single-minded desire to turn all life into cyber-forms... yep. For me, the Borg can never top a sci-fi villains list since they're just Star Trek's Cybermen.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:53:12 AM
Blackrabbit replied to The Man With Two Brains:
Sorry, but that's patently ridiculous. Cybernetic hive-minds are a widespread sci-fi trope; the concept dates back to Asimov, Clarke, and Niven (at the very least), and have been endlessly reworked and updated for decades.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:36:35 PM
Spad replied to Spessartine:
The Borg were so pathetically emasculated in Voyager that they lost all semblance of menace. They went from one cube easily taking on half a dozen Federation ships to being a mere hindrance to a single Intrepid class ship with half its crew absent. By the end of the show (excluding the finale), they were destroying Borg ships on a weekly basis when they weren't saving them from Species 8472 or giving thousands of drones their freedom.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 02:26:16 PM
MattK said:
Yeah, all due respect to Q, The Borg, and Khan, but The Dominion was essentially the anti-Federation, a whole system of union between aliens who weren't seeking out new life and new civilizations, but to conquer and supress all who would oppose them. And the Founders doing it not necessarily out of a desire to rule, but rather out of fear that if they don't act first, others would do the same to them, made them almost sympathetic, until you remember episodes like "The Quickening" where they infected an entire race with a disease that kept them alive to breed and propogate, but only to die an incredibly painful death that hospitals were set up only to allow them to die pain free. Sure, the Borg assimilate against your will and Q can snap you out of existance with but a thought, but damn, dying a slow painful death for an entire world is just wrong.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:50:44 AM
RunnerX13 said:
Re: Lursa and B'Etor: There's this girl my friends and I refer to as "Klingon Tits", because every shirt she owns shows off the Moons of Kronos. (Sorry for that overly Geeky joke, but sometimes you need to go the extra mile here).
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:55:11 AM
Is the moonscape at least worth seeing on such a ubiquitous basis? If so, then I say let her rock on.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:04:58 PM
RunnerX13 replied to Bunche:
They were at first, but now it's just common place, and sometimes inappropriate.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:14:30 PM
Nega said:
Not sure having both groups and individuals on the list does either justice.
Crazed Captain Ronald Tracey from "The Omega Glory" is an underrated baddie. The Talosians deserved a nod, even if their intentions weren't evil per se.
Also, Nero blows. There hasn't been a decent Trek movie villain since at least Dr. Soran.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 08:56:57 AM
comicshopgrl said:
There are four lights! Oh man, I can't help myself sometimes. =P
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:03:19 AM
JohnathanEnder said:
I personally blame Khan for much of my geek-related problems.
Every time I'm at a convention and someone asks me my name, well I tell them. But when they hear my LAST name they always...ALWAYS have to yell it out, and say something stupid like "Oh man! As in 'Wrath Of?' Hor hor hor!!" And I've never watched a single episode of Star Trek in my entire life, so I have to listen to this idiot go on and on about some sci-fi show I'd never watch.
So, with this, I say curse you Khan Noonien Singh. You truly are the worst villain in all of Star Trek.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:05:19 AM
RunnerX13 said:
I'm glad you didn't refer to Kai Winn as an evil Pope-like character, since all Popes are inherently evil.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:07:08 AM
RunnerX13 said:
Wow, the Dominion as #1, did not see that coming. I thought for sure #1 would go to Rick Berman; that man hates Star Trek fans more than anyone…
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:18:00 AM
CSK1 replied to RunnerX13:
Rick Berman didn't hate Star Trek, in fact he loved Star Trek. Without Berman we'd never seen Seasons 5,6, and 7 of TNG or the fully complete DS9.
The problem with Berman is that he was getting to old and running out of idea's to keep Star Trek Alive. I mean Enterprise is all the proof you needed to know he was out of idea's and couldn't think up something great anymore.
And Don't anyone go saying J.J. Abrams saved the franchise from Berman's failure that was Enterprise, because Abrams killed the franchise in my book.
Berman was running out of idea's, but I could tolerate that, Abrams.... Directly ripping off Star Wars Episode IV and trying to pass it off as Star Trek, for shame!
If Anyone deserves to be #1 most Greatest Star Trek Villian It damn well should be that SOB Abrams.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:33:16 AM
But Star Wars ain't exactly original either. Lucas himself even said it's inspired (read: adapted) from Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress and cribs heavily from Joseph Campbell. So saying that Star Trek (2009) sucks because it ripped off Star Wars makes no sense.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:35:32 AM
Greggory replied to CSK1:
Dude, whether or not you liked it, the fact is that Abrams did do a good thing for the Star Trek franchise. After two disappointing movies and one disappointing TV show he made a movie that got people interested in Star Trek again.
He also managed to reboot the series in such a way that the previous material is still valid. This means that it's not impossible for Paramount do something else with the characters from TNG.
So basically... Abrams did save Star Trek.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:46:56 AM
Vandic replied to Greggory:
Thank you CSK1, I thought I was the only Star Trek fan left. It's like when the Transformers movies came out and everyone was convinced they were good and saving the franchise. Now years later its widely held that they did damage to the franchise and were generally horrible movies. Hopefully in a few years time the same turnabout will happen and people (fans of Trek) will come to their senses.
@Greggory: Abrams didn't save Trek, he saved a garbage reboot. Everyone that says they love Star Trek in reference to the 2009 film will associate the franchise with being a schlocky action flick that happens to feature a ship named Enterprise. Star Trek was meant to be a drama; story and character development not lens flares and showy action pieces. If Trek has to reduce itself to ridiculous plots to show off space battles with giant goth ships then the franchise I know and loved is dead.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:30:52 PM
Nicnac replied to McQ:
then I pity you.
The best sci-fi series outside of Battlestar (minus the final episode). And the 2 year story arc of The Dominion is SUBLIME.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:59:49 AM
Ken replied to Nicnac:
Two year? The Dominion was a near six season thing for DS9...the first mention of them was season 2, episode 7 (I wikied it) and we first see the Vorta and Jem'Hadar ships by season's end. Between the Dominion, Kai Winn, and Gul Dukat, there were a lot of intricate storylines that all tied together by the end of the series. Adding Worf brought some of the TNG viewers that didn't like the first season or two back, but they were also really hitting stride then. But yes, the last two seasons were the biggies and almost mini-series like because the episodes all tied together in a continuous plot, rather than one-offs that occasionally tied back.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:28:25 PM
Legate Damar said:
As a huge DS9 fan, I thought Dukat was a little too high. Yes, he's the long-running and most multi-faceted villain in Trek, but he never seemed to transition from father to freedom fighter to dictator (etc.) very smoothly. There was kind of a "Dukat of the week" flavor to his many sides, unfortunately. Other than his stint as patriotic insurgent against the Klingons, all of his changes seemed like mirrors of Sisko rather than facets of Dukat.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:03:44 AM
Mount_Prion said:
With a chest so perfectly waxed, how could Khan not be #1?
And yeah, I just think it's sad anything from DS9 ended up as #1, just cause it's from DS9. If it's not a Stuart or Shatner antagonist, I don't care.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:21:25 AM
MattK replied to Mount_Prion:
Stuart? What, like Stuart Little, the talking mouse, or Stuart Smalley?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:47:05 AM
MeowSkywalker said:
I wonder how much Spock prime is going to tell these people about the future. I mean, it's not his universe, so he's technically not creating paradoxes. We have to assume that, despite the fact that Nero was an ass, Spock's probably still going to make sure that Romulus isn't destroyed. But what else?
"Guys, in about a hundred or so years you're going to run into some cybernetic monster creatures. They're gonna be a bitch. Captain Archer should've already met some. You're definitely going to want to be prepared for that. Also, speaking of cybernetic creatures, when V'Ger shows up, it just wants to bond with it's "maker". We can save a lot of time and energy, not to mention unnecessary death, by nipping that in the bud"
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:39:38 AM
ash replied to MeowSkywalker:
I've only seen the reboot and the first three episodes of TNG, but I think about this A LOT. I have read basically every Star Trek wiki article just so that I can further obsess about Spock Prime and what time travel is doing to the universe.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:40:11 PM
Jedisilk replied to MeowSkywalker:
Hee! I actually wrote up a list of the things Spock should warn his younger self about. Number one is "If you run across an old 21st century ship called the Botany Bay, just blow it up. Trust me, it'll save you LOADS of grief." ...not to mention you know, Spock dying and all. And seeing as Vulcan is now gone, there wouldn't be a happy faltorpan (however the hell that word is spelled) ceremony to get Spock's memories back into him.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 02:17:03 PM
Samuraiter said:
I can following the reasoning for #1, but I do feel that Khan still deserves that spot, since, if he had not been so wonderfully badass in that movie, that would have been the end of the Star Trek revival right there, and almost none of the villains on this list would have happened at all. (Seriously, people expected Wrath of Khan to tank after the lukewarm reception that the Motion Picture got, but they were more than pleasantly surprised, and Khan himself had a lot to do with that.)
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:45:24 AM
Skumbunny said:
Disregard any entries about Dee Space 9. That series was an awful rip-off of Babylon 5. The fact is that JMS shopped the series at Paramount and they got to see the writer's bible. They turn the show down and then Deep Space 9 starts stinking up the air. Thankfully Babylon 5 got made.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:50:18 AM
RunnerX13 replied to Skumbunny:
Yes, because one pitch to a studio resulted in 7 years of storytelling and some of the best action/drama/characters in ST history.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:22:51 PM
Iwpach replied to Skumbunny:
Wrong!
Straczinsky himself even dropped the infringement lawsuit against Paramount.
Not enough to go on.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:32:02 PM
El Fez said:
The borg used to be cool, but then it's tough to write unstoppable, faceless, emotionless villains in reoccurring rolls. So they were downgraded and given a face. A queen? Fuck, that completely undermines the whole premise.
First two or so episodes of the Borg? Unbelievably cool. Every appearance afterward? Fuck the borg.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:53:41 AM
The Man With Two Brains replied to Bunche:
Nah. The Borg were always a Cybermen ripoff. I mean, they're pretty cool, but really...
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:04:53 PM
ash replied to The Man With Two Brains:
Okay, man, we get it. The Cybermen appreciate you defending their honor.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:42:44 PM
Samjoe replied to The Man With Two Brains:
Naw, the borg didn't get ridiculous till Hue, came along.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 06:51:05 PM
Caveat Emptor replied to El Fez:
All comparisons to Cyberman aside (I'm just not familiar with them), the Borg were the perfect villain. The equivalent of space zombies.
Giving them a queen imho softened them more than Hugh or 7 of 9. That changed an unrelenting and all consuming force into something that you could try to reason with. It just took away their sense of mystery.
I always thought that an interesting series (or mini series) would be a scenario where the main Borg fleet had reached Federation space and an all out battle for the Federation's survival ensued. That said, I would really love to see what Abrams could do with the Borg in the next Star Trek movie.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 06:33:18 PM
bigcory69 said:
FYI, The Dominion were written to be the foil of the Federation. Federation = freedom, working together and exploration. Dominion = slavery, manipulation and conquest. The Dominion = Soviet Union Federation = Western Block Come to think of it DS9 was a "What If" of WW3.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:05:46 AM
Des said:
Dude no Romulans, seriously? Other than that, awesome list. A lot of memories brought back. And I learned a whole lot too. And there I thought I was like the ultimate Star Trek nerd.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:11:33 AM
KingOfDoma said:
... KIVAS. FREAKING. FAJO. How could Rob have missed him? Anyone who makes DATA think "Yup, this motherf*cker's gotta die" deserves a ranking over the Klingon zit...
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:12:09 AM
Greggory replied to KingOfDoma:
you might wanna check that link at the beginning of the article for worst Trek villains.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:37:57 AM
Anonymous replied to Greggory:
... huh. Rob's wrong. Fajo wasn't annoying, he was murderous and amoral. And the most "annoying" thing he did was slowly and painfully kill his closest confidante. So, yeah, less "Comic Book Guy" and more "Iago from Othello" for me...
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:09:36 PM
Nerdburger said:
F*** that J.J. Abrams bull****!That ostensible reboot was as weak as a preemie mouse with diarrhea.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:41:09 AM
vendetta said:
A great list, missing a few but still awesome. However Dukat should be #1.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:54:47 AM
Zach said:
couldn't help but notice more villains from TNG then TOS. But I guess that's fair. TOS had by FAR the best crew. I guess it's fair that TNG had some better villains, despite being an inferior show to the original.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:56:22 AM
BobJ said:
I know that the tranyaholic Balock wasn't a villian, but his "avatar" bust scared the crap out of me as a kid. Couldn't look at it when "The Corbomite Maneuver" was on or even in the end credits when it would pop up.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:56:58 AM
R_X_Hawk said:
You completely ignored Annorax from the Voyager episodes "Year of Hell" - the jerk built a timeship and spent 200 years wiping whole civilizations out of existence to try to bring his wife back. And technically, killed Janeway in an alternate timeline (OK - maybe that wasn't bad).
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:08:45 PM
VBane said:
So glad to see other people who like DS9. No other series has so fully embraced the issues of morality, religion and war. Glad to see Dukat and The Dominion ranks so high.
The DS9 episode Waltz is one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek. Watching Dukat's madness crystalize like that was great.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:17:59 PM
Nicnac replied to VBane:
My fave, and a perpetual top ten winner of favorite Trek episode across series is "In The Pale Moonlight".
I don't think any TV show has made me hold my breath as much as this one, where, when the Romulan barges in and yells "It's a FAAAAAAKE!"
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:58:29 PM
J-Saurus-Wrecks said:
Shinzon should have made the list.
Say what you want about TNG movies, Nemesis was the only good one. And it was the only good one largely because the main villain actually had some form of character development/personality.
First Contact would have worked just fine without the Borg Queen. Really. Imagine she wasn't in the movie. Not so hard huh?
Insurrection... wrinkly old guy right? Yeah, useless. Take him out, movie still works perfectly.
Sauron from Generations was an 'ok' villain. The movie would not have worked without him, but he was totally devoid of any depth or thought other than "Holy shit, I have to get into the Nexus. Fuck."
Shinzon gave Nemesis a villain that was not only unique and interesting, but one which grew and changed. He was a pivotal part of the story, and he also added an internal struggle for Picard. Could Picard really become as evil as his clone? What would it take to push him over the edge? Not to mention the "Oh snap, this is what it's like to have a son" angle they played.
tl;dr: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:20:24 PM
Nicnac replied to J-Saurus-Wrecks:
Your post fails for one simple reason: Nemesis is Khan. Only it's not.
First Contact at least had very little in common with earlier Trek movies in terms of plot.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 03:04:03 PM
J-Saurus-Wrecks replied to Nicnac:
You're right about that, Nemesis is absolutely Wrath of Khan! But Nemesis fails for one simple reason: the death of Data was terribly pointless. And unmoving.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 06:00:18 PM
Nicnac replied to J-Saurus-Wrecks:
yes... and then to top it off they pussied out by introducting B4
Posted 07/09/2010 at 12:30:02 AM
operations said:
Wait, was that a fan clip or was there really plans for a DS9 movie at one point?
I liked DS9, an was sad that my local stations moved it so often I only got to see bits and pieces of the last 3 seasons.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:41:28 PM
MLKshake said:
dude... fuck Nero... if we were going off the comics maybe he could be there but via the flick... fuck him and fuck Eric Bana cause that role could have been given to anyone
Posted 07/08/2010 at 12:51:21 PM
Haeckel said:
First Contact, which was kind of Star Trek meets Cronenberg, is the best of TNG films and should have been the Borg's last appearance. After that they were overused, diluted, made sexy, and turned into a punching bag. Since then it's hard to recall how startlingly un-cheesy for TV sci-fi and novel their design was, like a space cenobite designed by H.R. Giger. And instead of prattling on in some stereotypical robotic voice the Borg stated their demands with ruthless simplicity. As mentioned, the Borg Queen, with her verbosity and individuality, did contradict what we knew of the Borg, but First Contact should have been a final reveal that the Borg drones were manipulated and exploited pawns rather than an egalitarian collective.
The destruction of the parasites and their host in #18 was one of the most hardcore things shown on television up to that time. People sometimes forget that before CSI and its clones it was unheard of to graphically depict a human character's head being blown off and the exposure of their eviscerated trunk, much less show a foul worm-like parasite emerging from their remains.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:08:51 PM
Halbred said:
Notable missing villains:
1) The Crystaline Entity from TNG;
2) Species 8472 from Voyager.
They were cool.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:21:14 PM
intothenight said:
You people are all overlooking a villainy far greater than anything the Borg could produce after assimilating the Dominion at the command of the Pah-Wraiths.
Tribbles.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:24:42 PM
Nicnac replied to intothenight:
HAHAHAH Tribbles. The most dangerous villain in Star Trek. I love it. Obviously they would start by destroying the Klingon Empire.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 03:08:04 PM
MattK said:
Kind of off-topic, but if DS9 was more prevalent today, would that mean we'd be getting some kind of parody of the crap that MTV chooses to show and have a video entitled "Keeping Up With the Cardassians"?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:28:59 PM
jidasfire said:
I really don't get the love for Khan. He talks a good game, but the worst thing he really did was stick a bug in Chekhov's ear. He didn't even have a real showdown with Kirk in the end. He just quoted Moby Dick until he blew up unceremoniously.
The Borg, yeah. They were cool and scary up until cuddly Hugh came along, and were made worse by the addition of a Queen (the Borg are a virus, not bees!), even further worse by the sheer number of Cubes Voyager could take down (when one had destroyed most of the Federation at one point), and the final nail in their coffin was Species 8472.
Fuck Nero. What a poorly acted, irrational, lame villain, who was a complete knock-off of Khan, who, as I said, wasn't that great of a villain to begin with. He was only effective because all the characters in Nu-Trek were morons.
Other than that, the list was pretty good, though I would have liked to see Tomalok make the list, even if he and Picard never had a proper reckoning.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 01:30:24 PM
ZeroCorpse replied to jidasfire:
The article conveniently forgets that Khan did a lot more than make life difficult for Kirk and the Enterprise crew. Before he ever met Kirk, he CONQUERED 1/4 OF THE EARTH. If Khan had not driven away in the Eugenics Wars, first contact would likely never have happened with the Vulcans, and Earth would not have become the center of the Federation.
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And then, of course, there was the whole matter of him attempting to hold the galaxy hostage by threatening to use Genesis as a weapon. He was actually poised to destroy whole worlds, once he'd cracked the secret of Genesis. I'd call that pretty malevolent.
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As for Nero, he's a lot more interesting when you know his back-story. Most people don't know he took on the TNG crew (well, those still alive) including Captain Data of the starship Enterprise. People don't know that Nero killed General Worf of the Klingon Empire, either. And they don't know that the Jellyfish-- the ship Spock flew-- was actually George LaForge's own custom starship, re-fit for that mission and tailored to Spock's needs.
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If they had shown all that stuff, hardcore trekkies might have warmed up to the new Star Trek. As it is, they had to settle for it being in a movie tie-in comic book.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:19:43 PM
ZeroCorpse replied to ZeroCorpse:
I have no idea why I typed "George".
Of course, I meant Geordi.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 10:43:46 AM
Al Harron said:
The Dominion struck me as a great idea (a sort of evil, anti-Federation), but utterly flawed in execution.
That said, this isn't a list of "most powerful Trek villains," it's greatest, and frankly, I still think Khan reigns supreme. The only one I'd place above Khan are the Borg, in fact.
Also, the Klingons are very underrepresented. Sure, you have Chang and Kruge, but what about Lursa and B'etor (pre-Generations, which does in fact deserve its maligning), Kang, and Kor?
And count me among the Nero dislikers. Changing the timeline and destroying Vulcan doesn't make a villain compelling.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:04:23 PM
How so flawed? A federation of aliens that rule out of fear and strong-arming, create their own foot soldiers with genetic programming designed to keep them loyal to the Founders, and nearly decimated the Alpha Quadrant in a war that actually lasted 3 seasons. Plus, their whole founding philosophy, that if they didn't opress 'solids' first then they themselves would be oppressed, was practically a metaphor for just about any fascist power.
If you think Khan reigns supreme, then why would you place The Borg above Khan? That sounds more like you're looking for the more popular villains rather than the greatest villains.
Lursa & B'etor were #27, what more do you want? Kang and Kor were actually more heroes than villains, especially in DS9.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:32:58 PM
Gaith said:
Uh, "Armus" and the candle from "Sub Rosa", but no Species 8472? WTF, mate? :)
Posted 07/08/2010 at 02:30:33 PM
The Mutt said:
Star Treks greatest villains were the Pakleds.
Think about it. You've never met anyone like any of the villains on this list, but you meet Pakleds every day. They have infiltrated the Earth just to make you daily life a living hell.
They get your order wrong. They can't make change. They bag your ice cream on top of your cereal box. They drive thirty in the left lane. They want the government to keep its hands off their Medicare. They are why Firefly got one season while Two and a Half Men is still on your TV.
Pakleds!
Posted 07/08/2010 at 03:28:33 PM
Chaos Infintium said:
While this is list is good.. There are glaring wretched flaws that shame me for coming to this site and that should shame the writer of this list for composing it.
The fucking Dominion as number 1?
Where's Mudd's Women?
How about the Crystalline Entity?
What about the Planet Destroyer from Classic Star Trek or V-Ger?
How about Species 8472 or the Hirugen?
Perhaps Annorax one of those deep villian but not villian characters?
It's a good list but things like Worf's Zit wasn't a necessity nor was the Holodeck... Perhaps a bit more work and less failed attempts at humor or ridiculous by Cummings would have made this a truly grand list.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:35:03 PM
darthmalevol replied to Chaos Infintium:
I'm not gonna argue with most of your choices, but Mudd's Women? Three homely girls who take a pill that makes them look sexy in order to trick dilithium miners into marrying them? Your concept of villainy is very different from mine.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 06:41:32 PM
Ant2206 said:
Wait a sec, what about Kavok?!?!?
Experience Bij!
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:37:20 PM
littledeath said:
I enjoyed the comments as much as the list of villains.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 05:43:02 PM
Danny Smith said:
Personally i think Gul dukat was the best, certainly over the cyborg zombies of the borg. He was a character given just as much development as his antithetical heroic counterpart.
He didnt just show up in season finale's to be a threat. sometimes he was an ally, sometimes funny, just as much as he was an angry, closeminded dictator.
The performance was superb and there are few sci-fi villains who, when they made there final bad decision actually made you feel for them for falling even further from grace, so to speak..
Posted 07/08/2010 at 06:19:30 PM
John said:
Nice list, but it was done in more depth in Star Trek Magazine #22, cover date December 2009. Though they only had the top 10 villains.
Maybe that's where the idea for this list came from. ;)
I also take issue with the idea that Insurrection was the worst movie. It was supposed to be light in tone, compared to the previous movie, First Contact. And let's face it, if it had made as little money as Nemesis, maybe there wouldn't have been Nemesis!
For all the arguments that Berman killed Star Trek, the bottom line is that Nemesis didn't make enough money for Paramount (or didn't make it's money back or whatever) so the studio stopped making the movies.
It finally took J.J. Abrams to convince the studio that he could bring Star Trek back to life.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 07:34:46 PM
demoncat said:
even though Khan got beat out by the dominion on this list glad to see he took his spot in the top five for if Khan can not be number one then he should have been number two. and glad Dukat made the top five for that guy was one of the nastiest bs in all of star trek. but would have had the borg number one for nothing scarier then a villain that adapts to every thing thrown at it and comes back like a mechanical cock roach that can not be killed plus resistance is futile is still scary to hear .
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:06:19 PM
John said:
Too much DS9 favoritism in this list. There's no way Khan should have been anything but #1. Also, Nemesis was an even worse movie than Insurrection.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:24:09 PM
Ant2206 replied to John:
I'd argue that DS9 had the most well-rounded characters out of any of the Trek series. Part of that is the setting - being on a station means a much more regular cast, so every character has room to develop.
The other series had a bit of a monster-of-the-week vibe to them sometimes. Which is fine of course. But a villan that grows over a season and has depth will always beat one who pops in and out.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 06:51:38 PM
Bruce said:
How can anything from deep space nine come out as number one in any category of anything?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:24:28 PM
zhangyuyu said:
just as much as he was an angry, closeminded dictator.
The performance was superb and there are few sci-fi villains who, when they made there final bad decision actually made you feel for them for falling even further from grace, so to speak..
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Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:37:07 PM
Asat said:
Robocop wanted Earth to be free from non-human life forms? WTF did he think he was going to eat? Irish babies?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 09:47:34 PM
Jo Dean said:
I was a kid when Kirk fought that Dinasaur looking thing, I had nightmares for months after that. Still creeps me out when I see it.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 10:19:47 PM
Jeff said:
A big question is how you evaluate your villains--for entertainment and/or dramatic purposes, or by the destructive potential? They're really two different lists. I'm also really surprised to see neither Squire Trelane or the Borg Queen made the list. The Talosians were awfully memorable, too.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:02:27 PM
Jeff said:
...for that matter, if you rank Nero high for changing Trek history, doesn't it follow that the #1 position should be held by the truck that ran over Edith Keeler?
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:05:34 PM
Actually, it'd be a McCoy that was High as Balls, considering it was him jumping into the Guardian Portal that changed history in the first place.
That'd be a good follow-up list: Memorable Moments of History Changing Trek. Include significant events like McCoy rescuing Edith Keeler, Next Gen crew enacting First Contact, and Nero's shenanigans, as well as moments like Ben Sisko replacing Gabriel Bell in the Bell Riots and the DS9 crew partaking in the events of Trouble with Tribbles.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 08:10:25 AM
Scooter Atreides said:
No love for Commander Tamalak? He threatened to display the hull of the Enterprise in the Romulan Senate as a war trophy. You just don't find that kind of bad guy bravado anymore.
Posted 07/08/2010 at 11:21:16 PM
Chyromaniac replied to Scooter Atreides:
With 30 spots available, there really should be at least one actual Romulan (if not the species as a whole) on the list- Sela and the Reman just don't cut it. Tomalak immediately came to mind, as did the Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror."
I'd also like to nominate "Rogue Admirals" as a group: from Pressman to Leyton to Cartwright, sometimes the biggest threats to Starfleet were the people running it...
Posted 07/09/2010 at 03:20:36 AM
Alex said:
Watch DS9, the villains were much better written on that show. I disagree that Q was a villain, sure he wasn't nice but imagine if the Borg had found the Federation before Q flung them into the path of a cube. The Feds would have been completely caught off guard and probably had their asses handed to them in no time flat. But he flung the big E into the path of a cube and then flung them back after Picard admitted he was in over his head. When starfleet hears that a single ship kicked the ass of their flagship, I would imagine someone started putting some plans into motion on how to deal with this. His other antics, while annoying for the crew weren't really bad.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 07:28:27 AM
Borg-Cylon lovechild said:
L'hursa daughter of Duras actually called Beverly Crusher ugly on the 'Generations' movie. They were such fun villains!
Posted 07/09/2010 at 09:53:36 PM
Borg-Cylon lovechild said:
Jeffrey Combs also played 'Shran' on Star Trek: Enterprise. He made Enterprise watchable. I loved to hate his oily 'Weyoun' character.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 10:41:58 PM
Ben said:
Fuck you, the Gorn in Enterprise was far superior. It actually made those rubber suit fuckers scary. Who cares if the CGI was network tv level....it was on a freaking network tv show.
I also second Jeffery Combs as Shran, even though he became a good guy.
Posted 07/09/2010 at 11:54:40 PM
Jerry Modene said:
If one wants to mention some more memorable TOS villains (beyond Captain Tracy, Trelane, and Balok, who were already mentioned), here's a partial list, in no particular order:
Kodos the Executioner (aka Karidian).
Dr. Tristan Adams (the guy with the memory machine in "Dagger of the Mind").
Kor (our first Klingon, from "Errand of Mercy", and still the best of the TOS Klingons).
The political leaders of Eminiar and Vendikar, who used a computer to wage their interplanetary war for 500 years and forced their population to step into disintegration chambers to satisfy the simulations.
The Vampire Cloud.
The Giant Amoeba.
The race that built the Doomsday Machine.
Those sadistic quasi-Grecians in "Plato's Stepchildren".
There are others, but it's late and I've got to get some sleep. But here's one more villain to throw out there... T'Pring.
Yes, T'Pring - who was perfectly willing to have Spock kill Kirk in "Amok Time" in order to keep Stonn.
Posted 07/11/2010 at 08:34:19 AM
Johnfromplanetearh said:
Star Trek villains from 1-3
1) Q
2) Trellane
3) Borg
Posted 07/12/2010 at 01:07:56 AM
Nascosto said:
Now I feel really bad, I never noticed it until someone mentioned it before (and I went back to re-watch the movies) but Jeffrey Combs is freaking amazing. I love the Re-Animator movies and Weyoun was a great character...even after they brought in the whole I am a clone defecting to the Fed fighting against myself because I die all the time story.
Posted 07/29/2010 at 03:27:55 AM





