STOP SPAMMING, ASSHOLE. We don't want your filthy viruses!

Yeah, after she got raped by Immortus, she teams up with the X-Men and they go gallivanting around in space during some of the Brood years. She becomes Binary (in #164--one of the first back issues I bought) and has run-ins with various X-teams throughout the years. Then, of course, there is the whole Rogue connection--Xavier is the one who restores Danvers' memories afterward and she pulls some Operation Snow White-type shit on behalf of the X-Men as a thank-you.

Saying so little? The ironies continue to compound, Sparky. And yes, I'll be long-winded, but then again you obviously either weren't paying attention the first time or you just don't possess the acumen to grasp even rudimentary logic without committing fallacies most children can spot from afar. Your appeal to brevity being the soul of wit falls flat when you're just regurgitating--for a third time--the same facile bullshit, only now it's becoming diarrhea, flowing forth with errant conclusions piling on the errant premises and combining with more and more straw men. I'll just keep to the same number system for ease and comfort, m'kay?

1. "Pretty clearly defined at the top." Defined where at the top? Did you *even read* the title and the introduction? Does it say anything about X-genes? No? Wait, Mr. White doesn't say anything about X-genes anywhere in the list? And his own explanation for the list makes it sound like none of these figures have been mutants, now or ever, the very thing you say it's not supposed to be? Go back and read it, for chrissakes... you're embarrassing yourself.

Your central fallacy is that you're conflating your own definition with the stated purpose--in the title and in the introduction--of the list, and hence you're *contradicting* yourself as you go through your own run-down. Does Mr. White mention X-genes? No? Not even once? Odd. Maybe that explains why you found as much fault with his list as I did (by my count you've expunged as many as I have): his own criteria for inclusion is arbitrary. Go back and read the entries without your own (better reasoned and more consistent) criteria of X-genes and only X-genes = mutants. Try to make heads or tells of any *consistent criteria* being applied. The problem, by extension, then becomes that you inherit the figures included and feel pressed to apply your own consistent--but absurdly so--criteria. To put it another way, while Mr. White compresses and lops off pieces to make the candidates fit the list, you're stretching them with this one narrow criterion.

It's not a "problem" that I (and countless others here) have that there are mutants who lost their powers and then got them back--I made that point, myself, and with much more consequence than the drivel you're peddling. Nor do I have a problem with the characters changing--again, you're not paying attention (perhaps you're not capable? Did you take your Adderall  today, Spark Plug?). Again, if you were actually paying attention to what the grown-ups have been saying or what you yourself are arguing for, the list has at least two mutants who have their powers and *therefore--by your own definition*--are mutants. Right now. If Storm and Magneto qualify because at one time they're mutants who were X-Men and then lost their powers only to regain them, then there are literally DOZENS and DOZENS of others. that qualify. Same for Polaris: there are DOZENS and DOZENS that fit the same bill. God, at least get your story straight... this is comic books, for chrissakes, not the national debt.

2. "Longshot, Fantomex, Mimic, Hepzibah, Lockheed, Juggernaut, and Omega Sentinel are all 100% non mutants. Period. NONE possess the required x-gene to count."  Sigh. Where to begin? Okay, first, are you talking to me alone, or are you also picking fights with the dozens of other peeps here who have made cases *for* Longshot, Fantomex,and the Omega Sentinel (better known at this point as Karima Shapandar)? Because I DID NOT name ANY of these seven in my reply, nor did I care to--***it was deliberate on my part that I didn't***--so your emphatic "Period." and "NONE possess the required x-gene... blah, blah, fuckity-blah" reads like a drunk hobo waking up from a 12-hour stupor and ranting aloud to anyone passing by on the street. 

Along those same lines: "If you say this list in entierly [sic] inacurate [sic] due to retcons in the future, well that's just silly." Did I say anything about retcons making the entire list inaccurate? No. No, I didn't. Did you just see that I included a comment that had the word "retconned" in it and assume that was what I said about it? Or are you still hollering at the moon and/or about three dozen other peeps that have posted complaining about retcons affecting the list? Again, way to pick fights with legion, Sparkles.

I focused narrowly on just the three I specified. Hell, I don't know why half of those other eight are included in the first place. I'll leave it to the others who do to decide whether or not to wade into this crap and deal with your charming disposition... I hope they ARE reading what you wrote and I hope THEY have some choice words about their own objections for you, as well, because it would be great to have someone else weigh in on your batshit perspective. So I'll leave Longshot, Fantomax and Karima Shapandar for them. As for me and the rest, I think of Hepzibah and Lockheed as aliens and therefore, by definition, not members of Homo Superior. Would anyone really think Lockheed, especially, was a mutant? Would it matter? He doesn't need to be--he's a badass dragon alien who hangs with two of the finest X-babes. But as for Juggernaut and the Mimic?  I see very readily how some casual fans would not know they're not mutants and I actually think they're two of the best entries (***because that potential confusion speaks to the criteria spelled out in the introduction***).

That leaves your own objection, Maddy Pryor, for whom I couldn't care less as far as this list is concerned. I enjoyed the Goblin Queen storyline and how it tied together Sinister, Majik and S'ym and all that and it was a fun take... I think she got *screwed* several times over, but not only would I guess most casual fans *wouldn't* think of her as a mutant (hence, again, there being less obvious need to include her), but I personally wouldn't stand on ceremony on whether or not she's a mutant (because I don't subscribe to your reductionist definition) and, for that matter, I think if you bother reading the posts from anyone who did comment on her before now (I didn't. Ass.), you'll find most agree with you. So stop with the heavy breathing.

As I stressed SEVERAL times in my post, I'm focusing on just Magneto, just Storm and just Polaris. Just those three. MAGNETO, STORM and POLARIS. Are you caught up now, Sparkle Motion? Do we need to use sock puppets for you? I'll return to your ironically-directed comments for each in a second, but it'll help to first dissect some of the other inanities that spew forth from your gaping maw.

3. "X-gene.... was specificly [sic] put in as an explanation to clearly differentiate between those that got powers by radioactive accident (Hulk, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four) and those born with their powers." No shit, Sherlock. Jesus, at this point I'm convinced you're either under thirteen or you're White, himself, taking more stabs in the dark. Here's Captain Obvious Memo you apparently didn't get and hence can't repeat as if it somehow esoteric knowledge: Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and other writers that followed them didn't differentiate mutants from other super-powered beings in the Marvel Universe because "people were getting confused" about "real life" mutants (what?!?) and other super-powered beings on the one hand and mutants on the other. I mean, really? Who was confused, Farmer Ted? You? The x-gene named as such might have been a retcon but the basic mythology of mutants was there from Uncanny X-Men #1.  Haven't you ever heard about how the persecution of mutants was *intended* to parallel race relations, from the very first issue, and THAT'S WHY mutants are figured in terms of genetics? Obviously no, huh? Guess you didn't read any of my last post, you know... where I include this:

"As I contend below (again, do the footwork), this isn't a minor point: the social engagement Marvel has traditionally took in the X-books with regards to mutants and race, mutants and sexuality, etc., highlights these in-group/out-group parallels."

It's pretty standard boilerplate at this point--you might want to have the same superficial awareness of it that you have of so much else that you pass off as, what, "insightful?" After you master that you can move on to how parallels in sexuality and even gender dynamics and socioeconomic class were foregrounded in the X-books, particularly from the mid- to late 1980s on.

But since you didn't get that same memo most everyone else seems to have received, I won't belabor further the same obvious point I already made  before; I'll just copy and paste it for you to ignore yet again:

"If I could pull a Woody Allen and, like he does in Annie Hall with Marshall McLuhan, I could bring out Stan Lee, Jack Kirby's corpse, Chris Claremont or even Kieron Gillen and ask any of them, "Have any of these three characters at any time not been mutants?" I'd bet dollars to donuts they'd all say, 'Uh-uh.' And, 'Why the stupid question?'

Why would it be a stupid question? Because they ARE mutants. They self-identify as mutants. The rest of the Marvel Universe regards them as mutants. When they lose their *mutant* powers or something else goes haywire they go looking for those *mutant* powers (quite literally in Polaris’ case). Just like every other *mutant* who loses their *powers*... thumb through any copy of any X-book where characters still are without their powers--they're still identified as mutants, just mutants sans powers."

Since you're so keen on quoting Marvel scripture about the X-gene, maybe you should think a little about why the hell it matters in the first place, why identifying and being identified as a mutant MATTERS in the first place. Mutants are persecuted because they were BORN DIFFERENT. THAT IS THE POINT of the evolving mythology that has culminated (for now) in the focus on the X-gene. You might have realized that if you stopped to think about what even you, yourself, were writing. Or, you know, just bother reading what others (me, the author of the list, upteen other commentors below) write instead of thinking of your next "clever" and "insightful" (read: "painfully ironic" and "common knowledge") comment about what others write.

My points about Magneto, Storm and Polaris all stand as is--they're factually-based, not my opinions, and you, in fact, seem to agree. You don't seem to know enough about Storm's case to speak intelligently about it--you just pull "I'm not sure" out of your ass while still positing the absurd-on-sight claim (yes, even for comic books) that somehow ***Forge's gun could remove--and then restore--a gene*** (more on that in a sec), but you go on to admit she shouldn't have been included. You yourself concede, too, that Magneto shouldn't have been included as he has his powers restored, so as far as I'm concerned, you're already ceding me a .666 batting average for what I contended all along (as opposed to the random attributions you assigned me from comments made by others).

That leaves Polaris. Your straw man argument that, "And like it or not anyone effected [sic] by Decimation and depowered lost it" is woefully built, even for you. It's not a question of whether she was affected--she was, just as Magneto was (and you already admitted Magnus shouldn't be here--try to keep up, now!), and her powers were restored, just like with Magnus. True, hers aren't exactly as they were--but follow the thread with Angel/Archangel and what happened when he was a herald for Apocalypse and you see that Polaris's story arch is following the very same pattern (all points I made earlier, by the way). Her powers have been reactivated (check any current Marvel account of the character) and she's on her way to being the same green-haired minx she's always been.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Sucker.

Finally--just an appeal to common sense: Did you ever stop and just think about how asinine your narrow constriction for "mutant" has to be in order for mutants to *regain* their powers? What, those genes just *disappeared* in Magneto and Storm and then they just *reappeared* when Forge or Herbie Wyndham did the voodoo that they do so well? Is that what happened? Is the same thing now happening with Polaris and all the other mutants who are in the midst of regaining their powers? Do you know anything about genetics at all, and therefore can you recognize how stupid that sounds, even for comic books? Even in a world edited by Joseph Quesada? Imagine an analogy: a gun that can make someone's pancreas disappear, and another gun made by the same guy that can make it then reappear. Stupid, right? Wouldn't it make more sense to think the genetic material remains but is rendered dormant as, indeed, so many of the mutants who are now making waves seem to be exhibiting?

On what are you even basing your assumptions? The way the writers involved in just M Day and Decimation treated the X-gene? Ever stop to think about how their take on how the X-gene would have to work might be (and in fact very much is), well, just kind of dumb? Do you realize writers change all the time, and that today's "cannon" is tomorrow's "apocrypha" and vice versa? Are you familiar enough with the mythology of the X-books to know that previous writers treated the X-gene very differently, more sensibly (or at least not as remotely asinine) and that future writers not having to work under Quesada will no doubt return to less asinine interpretations? Ever stop to ask yourself why the House of M and Decimation are so reviled by so many? Or how the treatment of the X-gene and who is affected and who isn't within those stories is so internally inconsistent that it approaches being completely arbitrary?

No? No critical thought at all, eh? Just "the X-gene and only the X-gene = muties." Right now this stupid storyline hasn't quite been put out of its misery yet so you're just gonna keep that myopic interpretation, eh? Good job. I'll call the home.

Asshat.

I've never read that the gem amplified already existing mutant powers--it's always been that the power it grants is mystical, derived from a demon. That said, someone--maybe on this site, maybe on ComicAlliance or The Mary Sue--once pointed out that it would pretty chuckle-inducing to try and pass off that shit as exposition for a little-used villain (part of an ensemble, really) in the middle of a summer blockbuster and for an audience comprised of citizens (read: not nerds).

That said, I thought the physical rendering of Juggs was one of the worst parts of X3. I'm actually a Vinnie Jones fan (rooted for his tough play in football, and his Bullet Tooth Tony in Snatch is sublime) and using him for Juggs could have been inspired. But for the life of me I'll never understand why they didn't use CGI to beef him up. My man is supposed to be 9'5" and weighs close to a ton. By the time the third installment rolled around, P. Jack had already showed how it's done with Gollum in LOTR... why not apply those same stylings to Cain Marko?

dude just remember one thing , the only reason reason the Scarlet witch (actually a GOOD avenger & nicest one at that) gets so much shit nowadays is the pure Hackery of Bendis & the piece of shit that was house of M!

in his first story, he turns them into unprofessional dolts, from weepy Cap to "OMG, my quiver is on fire! Time for suicide, I guess!" Hawkeye. Bendis's one-dimensional writing consists of things BMB thinks are "cool", regardless of whether the characters would actually say them…stupid "small talk" about sex or pizza or whatever, "snarky" comments delivered by inappropriate characters at inappropriate moments, and women being dumb sluts (yeah, Jan would just casually mention Wanda's DEAD KIDS during a sex chat, because if there's anything to do with a mother that lost her kids is to snark about it)  or crazy (Wanda murders everybody, surrre she can rewrite the friggin world! & to think Thanos had to risk his ass several times to get the infinity gauntlet, it's unfair to say that real power comes from saying " NO MORE...",In good writing Magic has fucking rules! it's not a deus ex machina even dr Strange has to repay the spirits or gods if he owes them ). It's unreadable sludge,

But of course, it was all to pave the way from Bendis's great New Concept…Marvel's JLA! Stick Spidey, who doesn't like to leave NY, on a world-trotting team, when he's congenitally a solo act.

Wolverine? Sure, why not? As one of the early "New Avengers"  Never mind that Logan has no logical reason to be there, nor do the Avengers a reason to want him.(& he's written to be a little bitch & not the wise gruff guy who fights his demons)  Just keep telling "cool", "hardcore" stories, with no regard for the feel of the book, the history of the characters, or believable characterization. And about Polaris ,I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SHE'S THE DAUGHTER OF MAGNUS! because it's TOO FUCKING OBVIOUS! if Lorna must be developped, & she does have the fucking potential for that, you definitely can do that without Magneto ,whose relevance  has been washed up a looong time ago! Give her & Havok their chances , PAD , DeMatteis did  & they've done wonders without magnto or Cyclops!

We try not to talk about Scarlet Witch...

That little alien got around. When Kitty was still rooming with Majik, he canoodled with her in The New Mutants, too... Colossus' little sister and his main squeeze. He knows how to pick his women.

Yep. Or if it were written by someone who even knows what the present-tense of the "to be" verb indicates to most reasonable people (= not nerds?), that might have spared some confusion, too. Storm has her powers. Her mutant powers. Right now. So does Magneto. Right now. So they aren't "X-Men Who Aren't Actually Mutants," nor have they ever not been "Actually Mutants." Nor has Polaris. So you'd have to qualify your proposed bi-section even further and say "X-Men Without Powers *at One Time Or Another*" (and the list would be neck-deep).

Or you could, you know, just leave off Storm, Magneto and Polaris since they are, you know, mutants and all, and add peeps like Deadpool and Moira MacTaggart if you wanted to get the list as is to a respectable number. But that would take, you know, mean not presuming people don't know about these stories that you want to shove together, Procrustean-like, into a craptastic list.

Right, and Xavier.

Congratulations. This is almost as ill-informed as the thinking going into the list, itself.

OR MAYBE YOU NEED TO REBOOT YOUR FACE!MARVEL ZOMBIE ATTACK!

Someone else already pointed this out earlier, but Longshot IS a mutant.  He manipulates reality to his benefit and appears insanely lucky as a result.  Claremont has various characters say this point blank in several issues around the 220s.  Just saying...

Agreed on Xavier--he was affected just like Magneto and Polaris. I'd agree with Archangel, too, except Angel eventually shed that persona and his original wings have been restored--after, of course, he was given the metallic wings and augmented powers by Apocalypse (just like Polaris has!) and now he even has his original skin pigment! And additional powers (healing blood!) the writers never knew he had... just like Polaris will when they return her to before all this crap. This list blows.

might not be remembering it right (thank god for whiskey) but it seems they could have easily left his story alone by just letting the characters assume he was a mutant without ever verifying it.