• Oh shit... IS THIS FROM THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT MOVIE?

• Not at all my idea of how a Kryptonian dresses. I've always had in mind something more stylish, minimalist and monochromatic.... something more.... ¿Apple like?

• Is Jor-El a Shaman now?

• "The Adventure of Lois and Clark" addressed that exactly in the way you describe: He used his heat vision and super strength to cut and sew the fabric based on her specifications: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wehGfglnzyA

• There's a practical marketing reason for that: New demographic comes up every 10 years.

• Not that I've seen it nor would want to, but it's kind of sad we live in a world where a film that brings in $219 million at the box office such as "Green Lantern" is considered a "failure." (I know that's true, esp. with a $200 million budget, but still, strange.)

• The "like" button failed from being clicked too many times...

• Back in the pre-Crisis canon that's exactly what happened: Clark cut it where she indicated, with his heat vision. Elliot Maggin fanboyed this to hell and back (literally) in his two excellent novels released between the two 70s Superman movies.

• No, Donner's cut is not much of an improvement and actually makes other things worse. It was clearly released for one and only one reason: because in his version Superman sleeps with Lois before becoming depowered (something that makes no sense in itself and was rightly altered), thus setting up the quasi-sequel's piano kick. The third act of Superman really sags, I can agree with that (and I actually like Hackman's Luthor, maybe because he has to act up a storm to be even a creepy unsettling threat under these plot conditions. Elliot Maggin showed soon afterward how a classic Silver Age Luthor with Hackman's personality could be awesome.) But that's because the Zod storyline was originally supposed to finish out the film, and in pre-production they realized that would be rushing things plotwise too much. So now they're going to compress Superman 1 and 2 into one film, just to show that it could have been done (I guess).

• THAT MUST BE SOME PLANET YOU MEN COME FROM!!!

• Where, arriving already three capes to the wind, he killed two dozen beers before realizing the game was actually next weekend.

• Maybe some prankster wrote ROMERO on one of his note-prep sheets instead of BRANDO.

• Wait I thought that was Mel Gibson.

• I have to say, I like the techno-Thor look, which no doubt is supposed to translate into the new movie costume theme.

• He's drinking arse and kicking New Zealanders? ...BEST OR WORST JOR-EL EVER!!!

• The costume! It does nothing!!

• And suddenly Dan assumes the lead in comment-likes on the board...

• Kinky. :P

• Well, I get that this Superman is supposed to be dirtier and angrier - so I get the casting of Russel Crowe, but I can't get past the color palettes and the design, fit, and finish of the costumes... it doesn't bode well for these being a reflection of the script...

• The COSTUME is your  problem with this?! How about RUSSELL freakin' CROWE in this?! Aside from how shitty the costume looks, what a terrible, OFFENSIVE casting choice for Jor-EL!  The ONLY way this could have been worse would have been to cast Nicholas Cage for this. This looks like he just got in from 20-hour-long drive wearing some sick mixture of pajamas under a cheap TV movie medieval gown with some General Kale from Willow pauldrons thrown in.  ON RUSSEL CROWE. 

• who talks like this?

• Is joke, yes?

• They have clearly confused Klingon and Krypton....

• Read Kingdom Come.

• Hell, Blade managed to get the origin out of the way under the opening credits, and he's hardly a household name.

• Well looks as though we're finally getting that Tim Burton version of Superman. So much of this just reminds me of Superman lives.

• Thanks!

• Indeed.  I would be all in favor of doing a movie about an older, darker Superman. You know someone disillusioned with the superhero job. Sort of a Dark Knight Returns take on Superman.

• A Caligula remake would be a perfect vehicle for Jennifer Lawrence and Olivia Munn, IMHO. Would really widen both there acting ranges.

• Here's to hoping that this will be SUPERDUPER Synderized and gets overhauled in post-production

• Well, you know the nostalgia-filter. It's a potent device, and it's a great source of nerd-rage. It even works on non-superhero related properties too! Get yours now!

• Haha wow, those about-to-die-horribly parents really thought ahead when packing up his escape pod.

• Needs a hood

• So it doesn't matter then? Right?

• Oh, this was discussed in some comedy movie. I forget what. It's because she uses a little Kryptonian sewing kit inside the spaceship.

• Well, I accidentally asked on the wrong thread How smart can someone be who chooses a giant "S" as their family logo and is from the house of "L"?

• I think you've just described nearly every superhero film ever made. And maybe more than a few comic books.

• Hey, who knows, dude? Maybe it's an alien smart suit that recognizes malicious intent: when anything pointy or explodey is aimed with every intention to do harm, it immediately hardens and prevented penetration as well as damage. You know, like a vagina! OHH SNAP! .... I'm gonna get mobbed to death for that one, aren't I? DX

• Which movie is that? He's got a whole slew of them.

• Now with more flying around with swords!

• ^ THIS! So very fucking much!  Jor-El isn't where Supes gets his noble values. Ma and Pa Kent did it. Jor-El has always been and always will be that video recording of your dead parents who tells you that they love you and hope that their teachings would be helpful for you to be a good man...after you're all grown up. Their role, while important, cannot EVER supercede the Kents, who put the foundation of Supes principals since he was a kid. So quit fucking around, movie makers, and get it straight already!

• Or a member of the Lannister family.

• I feel like I'm seeing a deleted scene from Game of Thrones. "Remember, Kal-El: everyone who isn't us is an enemy."

• Might as well have just made it gold and tied it into Godfall. Again.

• Looks like the Superman costume is under the chest piece thing.  Russell Crowe*vomit*

• GET TIM GUNN IN ON THIS SHIT!! This movie practically SCREAMS for his help!

• Like, say, making the Kryptonians into tentacle monsters that only takes a human form under a yellow sun?

• Why is there a Superman character in my Game of Thrones movie?

• That's a good point there. For a species who absorbs the faint radiation of their dying red sun to obtain that exta sustenance and strength they would not get otherwise through the skin (an ability which gets overcharged after long exposure to stronger, more yellow, sources of solar radiation), he sure seems excessively covered... god, it's good to be a nit-picking nerd...

• Russel Crowe looks dumpy and fat a lot of the time. I'm not going to begrudge the guy's love of beer.

•  The only problem with her making the costume is if it could stop bullets, it would stop a sewing needle too, so she couldn't really do anything with it at all unless she just instructed Clark to do the work then he could pierce it. I do prefer her making it, but it also makes no sense.

• Don't forget over the years how krypton and it's people look and live has been changed with the originals being more human and donners being colder but one thing we do need to rember krypton was at war so mabey in this one they're more medevil.

• Which was probably one of the best movie origin stories yet. Get it the hell out of the way quickly when everyone knows it already, and get on with the damned developed character.

• You know, I kind alike the costume, in a high fantasy, Forgotten Realms way. It's just in the wrong damn movie...

• Makin' movies, makin' music,  foiten' Gen'ral Zooooooood!!  Now whare's that pussy Cancah!!??

• It looks like the designers played a little bit too much Gears of War and said, "Hey, let's make Jor-El look like the Locust!" ......... I guess if they HAVE to put the origin story in, and they HAVE to make Kryptonians look a bit different, this really isn't all that bad. I'm not mesmerized by it, but seriously, and you can't argue, people..... it could have been worse.

• WHAT. THE. FUCK. ??? Is this just another attempt this year of DC trying to destroy their properties? What are they thinking? Holy dog shit.

• Technically, the film implies that this was Batman's first big case, becoming public and getting the whole Signal deal. So it's kind of Year One-style origin, but an origin nonetheless.

• But what IS Kryptonian day to day fashion? 60s Buck Rogers with little Saturns on their chest? Glowy white robes? That funky look from the 90s with the weird bony exoskeleton thingy? I don't even know what the modern look is.

• Honestly, I haven't seen a single costume from this film that looks like it was designed by someone that KNEW THE FIRST THING ABOUT DESIGNING MEN'S CLOTHES.  Russel Crowe actually looks dumpy and fat!  After the really poor Superman costume - I have no hope for this pic...

• How else are people going to know he's a Scientist? Or maybe he was on his way to meet three other friends with matching outfits at the big Krypton Suns vs. Kandor Flamebirds semifinals. Because letters on hairy guts are for daxamite trailer trash. And the stuff that went with Baby Kal in the rocket? Totally his dad's team colors.

• i am jor-el! where is my sword! i feel like i am seeing deleted scenes from gladiator...

• Oh, okay then.

• And amazingly, that is way less lame than most of what DC comes up with nowadays...

•  I'm quasi-serious.  I'm not remotely comparing the quality of Donner's Superman to anything by Boll. Obviously, Superman is a good movie, but I don't think it qualifies as great. I've disliked the third act of Superman since childhood, and I've never really liked Hackman's Luthor either.  I last watched the film just before Superman Returns came out, and I didn't think it held up well (And, so we're crystal clear, I'm not saying it didn't hold up compared to Superman Returns, which if anything did the older film a massive disservice; I'm saying it didn't hold up in the larger context of superhero cinema.). I think I liked elements of Superman and Superman 2 enough to say both had a lot of potential, but both have parts that really fall apart. I will admit to having never seen the Donner cut of Superman 2. Maybe it's awesome. Superman was good, but I think there was more wrong with it than the nostalgia-filter allows people to see.

• Sounds like an FFF!

• He looks like he popped in from Lord of the Rings...

• So superman's Dad is a racist old a**hole alcoholic, no wonder why he ran away to Earth.

• In all fairness, all that Burton covered of Batman's origins was his parents getting shot, hardly an origin story.

• I get it now... it's a lead suit that all Kryptonians have to wear to protect them from the red sun.

• looks like a mage needing a bathroom break!

• we're one pair of nipples away from Batman Returns

• I am so tired of the focus on Krypton in Superman stories. One of the best things about his original creation, and then his 1980s reboot, was the emphasis on Clark being the LAST SON of Krypton, and his goodness coming from his EARTHLY parents. Sadly, I think "Smallville" has influenced a generation who think Jor-El plays a huge role in his son's life and Kryptonians drop in every 30 seconds via time travel/crystals/hieroglyphics/etc.

• I'd like it if the suit was a Kryptonian material (maybe the blanket Kal-El arrived on Earth in) but Ma Kent made a costume out of it and added the more Earth friendly, superhero-y features like the S shield and the overwear. This would explain why the costume is indestructible (because it's alien) but it looks so cartoony and human. HIRE ME DC I HAVE SO MANY IDEAS

• Glad I wasn't the only one that thought that.

• I guess it depends on your interpretation of where Superman acquired his suit. The idea set forth in this film as I understand it is the suit is going to be Kryptonian garb, handed down from his father, which would naturally include his house crest. The original films implied that the suit had similar paternal origins, so of couse Jor El would design the house crest into the suit. In the comics, we know that Superman is very respectful to his heritage, especially as Last Son of Krypton, so he wears the crest of his father to honor him and his lost people. So Kal doesn't just "happen" to adopt it. It's no coincidence. The only coincidence is that the crest looks like our S.

• Finally, Gladiator 2!!!

•  it's nice to know jor-el is gonna survive when krypton explodes, hiding in that turtle shell and all.

• Because thanks to Donner's interpretation, which was pretty cool, it's become the canon for the past 30 some odd years. Personally, I love the idea that the shield was some sort of coat of arms for the House of El.

• I have to wonder if we're not seeing something here, like perhaps there will be some CGI applied to the suit or some lighting that will make this unearthly like they did with Brando's robes. That could be really cool. If anything, it's got me pretty curious as to the Kryptonian aesthetic they're going to go for.

• I don't disagree, but I think I see what they're trying to do with this. This may be a different take on the Superman character in general and sometimes when you do enough of a recon, it's sometimes necessary to review the origin so that we can see what's changed and how it affects the character in the main narrative. Other times, it's interesting to recall the origin if a plot point tied into the origin is recalled in the main plot, such as in Batman Begins or hell, even Superman II. We know Zod is a villain in this, so the origin story provides a framework for Zod's origin, as it did in the classic films.

• To save money, they're recycling costumes from Nic Cage's almost-movie.  

• I think it looks good, he is a great actor (name one bad role he has been in besides that crap fest with Denzel....ok ok a good year) and I for one, excited for this film. WHAT UP?

• *hangs head in shame*

• Oh, Rao. Dad's out in his bathrobe again. 

• Could be worse he could have Shoulder pads and pouches. Lots and lots of pouches...

• Because why be original when you can just rip off from other people's work? 

• ... How will Superman get Kandor back... After some consideration, don't tell i think i know.

• Seriously this get up looks like something you see in some medieval epic, not on Krypton day to day fashion. Poor bastards probably have to slay Oger's and stuff just to get the paper every morning.

• I still prefer Brando as Jor-El. He was still pretty hot and hadn't gained TOO much weight yet. 

• Looks like it's meant to go with this Batman suit: http://www.66batman.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1218947990

• Well played Mr. Revill.

• gag me with a tongue depresser...Who designed this? With those shoulder pads it had to be Liefeld..

• Looks cool but it looks more like something that would fit in better in the Thor movie than a Superman one IMO.

• I think this guy welcomed me to Medieval Times restaurant the last time I went. My Dr. Pepper was a bit flat.

• Underneath all of that, Jor-El is wearing nothing but belts and pouches.

• The Donner movie came up with the idea that the S shield is kind of the Kryptonian coat of arms for the House of Jor-El, and it just happens to look kind of like a human S. Guess this movie's doing something similar.

• I've never understood why there's this compulsion to include the fucking S. I mean, great, he's superman's father, we get it. It just seems like a weird, illogical stretch that jor-el just happened to wear some fancy suit with a kryptonian symbol on it which just happened to be identical to our letter S, and that Kal-el just happened to adopt it- ah, fuck it, whatever. At least he looks less ridiculous than the other guy in the black and white spandex suit from Superman 2.

• But that´s also super ridiculous, I was thinking the same. They took out Superman´s red underwear but now it´s going to be Jor-El´s xD. It´s like some sort of DC insecurity  nobody really gives a sh*t but they are incredibly afraid of mockery. xD I like them both, I loved the idea that Ma Kent made it until All Star Superman, now I just want to see kryptonians in some sort of 60s sci fi pajamas.  

• The Phantom Zone is coming...er, uh...I mean "Winter is Coming". Yes, winter...what did I say?

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