I would be more interested in a new Spiderman movie if they skipped the origin story and gave us a more mature and established Spiderman. Does every superhero reboot require an origin story?
Japan got a new Amazing Spider-Man trailer, and what's really amazing about it is that it shows a great deal of new footage, but somehow... doesn't. I mean, all the scenes we've already seen are there -- the fire escape, dinner with the Stacys, hassling the crooks, escaping the cops, meeting Dr. Connors, the building thingie falling down -- so most of the new shots are of things like Aunt May worriedly asking Peter where he goes at night and Andrew Garfield looking concernedly off to the side of the camera. The trailer somehow manages to be action-packed and kind of dull at the same time. Which is kind of amazing in and of itself, I guess.
My problem with the Amazing Spider-Man is that, other than a few clips, it just doesn't look very fun. It looks well done, but there's nothing really in any of the trailers or clips that make me go "Goddamn, I need to see this!" It's the same problem I have with The Dark Knight Rises, really. Meanwhile, basically every trailer and clip from Avengers has been fat-packed with fun/awesome, and I don't think it's just because I'm an Avengers fanboy. I mean, based on the comments here, everyone agrees that the Avengers promotional material has made the movie look awesome pretty consistently, and yet when I post Spidey and DKR things, people say they're excited for the movie, but not because of anything in the trailers. Right? Am I making shit up here? Or does Avengers just look so goddamned fun that all the other comic movies are suffering in comparison?
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At least Tobey Maguire looked nerdy. This is just another pretty boy. Looks like "Twilight: Peter Parker". Is hollywood forbidden to hire actors who look like people nowadays?
I'm inclined to agree with you about the new Spider-Man movie. Nothing shown so far are particularly exciting or seem interesting enough for me to go to the theater to see it. I'm a fan of the first two Raimi Spider-Man movies (Kirsten Dunst aside), and they're still fresh on my mind.
I do disagree with you about Dark Knight Rises. I know that Nolan puts characters, drama and story first, before action-packed sequences, and he has created a bleak, dramatic world in his Batman movies. I go to Nolan for a different sort of fun.
As for the Avengers, for me, the trailers are problematic for different reasons. It makes the movie seem too frothy, too light and shallow. No matter the genre or type of movie, a film still needs characterization, a main character, a sensible plot and a reason to care. I hope that Avengers is more than just a bowl full of various types of candy. That will sell, yes, and likely sell a lot, but how good (in terms of quality) will the movie be?
"Dude, it's just an Avengers movie, what else do you expect?" isn't good enough.
probably because we've never seen a superhero movie based on a team. while we've seen TDK and spider-man before which even though they will be excellent in themselves, we've more or less seen what they have to offer in the previous movies.
I've never been a big Marvel anything fan and I'm stoked about Avengers.Spider-man and DKR? I'll probably wait for a rental... if that.
Then again, I feel like DC is just getting its butt handed to them by Marvel in theaters. They just can't seem to make a movie I identify as a DC property and not some reinterpretation.
I think it's pretty simple : The director made 500 Days of Summer, a movie I enjoyed immensely. Add him to Spider-Man that's shown to have more quips then yes I am still excited. He knows how to handle a character that's a heartbreaker but uses his sense of humor as a defense. So even if the trailers aren't the greatest I'm still looking forward to it for those reasons.
The trailers for the new Spider-Man movie just keep looking better and better. Just when I'm thinking I might possibly be more excited for the Avengers movie, some new promotional material for this new Spider-Man gets me more excited.
Finally a Spider-Man that actually features the witty yet dark Spider-Man from the comics rather than a stuttering and joyless Tobey Maguire whining about how he can't be with the ex-girlfriend he dumped.
I'll give this movie a hearty "MEH I'll wait for the dvd". It looks okay but nothing about it screams "Come see this in the theater."
"and I don't think it's just because I'm an Avengers fanboy" Yes it is, I don't care about Avengers, and nothing I have seen changes my mind, your interest are your interest.
I am an Avengers fan and I haven't been all that interested. If not for Hawkeye I'd probably skip out on it. I only liked two of the Marvel movies, and I really really only liked one of those. Hulk was great. Easily the best Marvel film. Norton should have been allowed to take control of all the other films. Captain America had a strong first half and a poorly paced second half. Iron Man 1 and 2 were extreamly boring. Tony can only carry a movie for so long. One demensional villains, nothing happening outside of Tony being as asshole, and the always awful Gwenth Paltrow. Thor's asgard stuff was good but the fact that everything else existed made me hate it a lot. Especially Darcy. I don't understand why so many people thought another generic teenager who just sits there and throws out facebook and twitter references was one of the best parts of the movie. And on top of that only Hulk and Iron Man 1 felt like their own films. I felt like everything else was just building to The Avengers. Like it was the only reason any of these films existed. They need to be more then trailers.
You say that, but before watching Iron Man on TV one afternoon when I had nothing better to do, I had little more than the most passing of interests in cape comics. Skip to today and I'm counting down the days to The Avengers (TEN. Man, living in the UK rules), a regular visitor to my local comic book shop and pretty much the local expert on comic book lore amongst my admittedly depressingly non-nerdy friends. I don't think you can really say your interests are your interests when what you could argue was the first blow in The Avengers marketing campaign managed to spark my interest in comics out of practically nowhere.
The Avengers looks like pure cheese to me. Not that cheese is a bad thing, but its still cheese.
There are some thing that you just don't question or berate, no matter what.
Emma Stone is one of those things.
She's only a few years removed from high school, so I don't think it will be that hard for her. Plus, she's a goddess. So there's that.
I'll probably go to see Spider-Man in the theatre, if only so my son can see his first Spidey flick on the big screen. However, I am looking forward to Avengers and DKR way more. I'm a big Spider-man fan, but I'm not enthused about another telling of his damn origin.
I'm pretty sure it's some of that Avengers fanboy blinding you, me and my best friend have seen all these trailers and while the idea behind Avengers doing a movie crossover is ridiculous, TDKR is still what we're most excited for. Not because of its tone or fandom, but the fact that this is a Batman movie where discussion of the director having enough credibility to actually kill off Batman, the fact that that's a legitimate possibility is unreal. Admittedly TDKR has also had far less clip/trailer releases than either of the Marvel movies.
As for Amazing Spider-Man, I also wouldn't have assumed there'd be superdickery from Spider-Man based on the trailers, so I'm just hoping that they're just doing the intelligent thing of not giving away everything that's gonna happen.
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Oh, I'm sorry, did you want a serious analysis of this trailer? Well, you're not gonna get it from me because EMMA STONE.
One of my favorite parts about the Spiderman movies is trying to guess how they'll get his mask off as much as possible. It's usually something totally realistic, like a spark lands on his mask and burns it off or something.
Maybe they'll go with - it's uncomfortably hot and hard to breath in that thing...
Look, they're very different movies. The Dark Knight Rises is basically gonna be a crime thriller, while Avengers is a summer action movie. Of course the Avengers trailers will be all explosions and one-liners because that is what the movie will be like. The DKR promotional material is selling the film for what it is, and no, it won't be as purely fun as the Avengers will be. It'll be a grim, dark and complex film because that's just the kind of thing Nolan does. I'm surprised you're comparing the two, simply because they're both based on comic books, while really the Avengers has more in common with GI Joe than with DKR.
I think everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head - it's all just stuff we've seen before. And not just in the Spider-Man movies either. We've seen all this stuff in many other movies many times before. It all just looks so bland and dull. I mean, does anybody really want to sit through his origin again? It actually looks like a chore.
I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I go to the movies a lot, and every single time this trailer comes out, it's met with a big fat "meh" from the audience. I can actually *feel* the indifference. The movie could turn out great for all I know, but man, I can't work up any excitement over it and it appears that a lot of other people feel the same way.
I think everybody's hitting their breaking point on the endless barrage of remakes/reboots.
I think it looks great. Avengers looks fun, but very goofy. This looks much more engaging, with more pathos and drama. Fight scenes looks fantastic and exciting, particularly the one with all the cops! I'm personally more excited for The Amazing Spider-man than the Avengers.
Yeah me too. I like movies that are more story consistent and I know Avengers is probably going to be fun, but just like every Marvel movie probably is also going to have horrible plotholes. Maybe is just a matter of taste because I hated Raimi´s humor since day one, but the slight weirdness this Spidey has, the fast motion of his actions, and the not-totally-cg Spidey is driving me cray-zee xD
Nolan's previous two Batman films were better than the pre-release info and trailers implied. Casting decisions that seemed weird worked in the final film. The batmobile swiped from Miller's Dark Knight worked. Pretty much everything worked in the final product.
I hope that is the case with Dark Knight Rises, though Bane's casting and look is pushing "questionable choices" much worse than Ra's Al Ghul.
As for Spider-Man, I don't really care about Spider-Man. Spider-Man is kind of boring. Having Gwen is a plus, but it just feels like it is going to be a retread of what we've already seen with Raimi.
As for Avengers, it is a bright action spectacle. People want to see the various Avengers beat stuff up, and Whedon tends to make stuff that can be made to look good in trailers. Hawkeye and Black Widow don't really fit the film, but the comic book Avengers have long had teams of wildly mixed power levels.
Avengers is unquestionably more awesome-looking than any other comic movie being released this summer.
ASM looks decent. I don't know what is making me hold onto hope for it so desperately, but I really want it to be good. I keep hoping that it will better capture the Spidey I loved as a kid, even though it still hasn't given any real evidence that it will.
As for DKR, I'm having real trouble working up any enthusiasm for it. I loved the first two, but I just can't seem to bring myself to be excited about it.
Ah, well. With practically zero money and a baby at home, my husband and I will probably only get to see one of these in theaters anyway. Given the options, it's Avengers all the way.
I am a die hard Spider-man fanboy and I will readly admit The Avengers look much better Amazing Spider-Man . I think part of the problem is that aside from Spiderman 3 being somewhat dissapointing , most movie goers were happy with the Spiderman mopvies we had. there was nothing so drasticly wrong with spidey 3 that we needed a reboot, they could have just done spidey 4 , made it better and everyone would have b een happy.
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed that that continuity didn't get to redeem itself. People go really hard on Spider Man 3 but it still was a story worth continuing, and its hard to jam a new continuity at us when the old one is so fresh.
I do think That ASM is suffering from A) Coming up against Avengers & B) being a pointless reboot.
As for Dark Knight, it is going to be such a completly diffrent KIND of film that I'm not even comparing them in my mind, sure they are both "comic book" films. but I think any comparison is uncalled for since they present each other in a compeltly diffrent light.
I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Hollywood's entire marketing department is suffering from brain damage after one too many cocaine/hooker/cocaine snorted off hookers overdoses. Because, seriously, beyond Marvel Studios' stellar work, all we've seen from the big studios' blockbuster marketing campaigns of late is one fuck-up after another. The First Class promotional campaign looked like it had been put together by someone during their first lesson at some Arizona night school Photoshop course. With Green Lantern, they panicked after the nerd-rage at the first trailer and just started desperately flinging money around.
DKR seems to be relying solely on everybody remembering how good the last film was, since I doubt audiences are going to be wowed by Commisioner Gordan wheezing over footage from a film that came out seven years ago or a trailer that serves only to emphasise how incomprehensible Tom Hardy is under that Bane mask. And do I even need to mention the whole John Carter clusterfuck?
They let the main villain of The Amazing Spider-Man be revealed in the form of a pez dispenser and beyond, perhaps, the spider shadow one-sheet that went round last year, have done absolutely nothing of note with the marketing campaign. At all. A reboot this soon after the Raimi trilogy desperately needs to convince audiences it actually has a reason to exist, yet all they've shown us is exactly what we've seen before, just with a Nolan-era Batman veneer chucked on top.
Seriously, I could do a better job than these wankers. I'm going to set up my own marketing company, with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the marketing company.
"A reboot this soon after the Raimi trilogy desperately needs to convince audiences it actually has a reason to exist."
I'm thinking their backup plan is that, after this one fails, they're gonna say "Well, 3 wasn't so bad after all, eh?"
The point is that it DIDN'T have a reason to exist beyond fulfilling Sony's contractual obligation to make a Spider-Man movie every X number of years or lose the film rights.
That's it. They don't care much beyond that. If it breaks even, they're happy.
They could've done it in a better way. But, oh well. Damn Sony, Spidey would've been a sweet cameo in Avengers... :(
I, The Lewd Ood, would like to formally submit my resume for this interesting new venture you are launching.
Well, we've seen Spider-Man movies already and I'm not really crazy about Bane for a villain in TDKR, but this Avengers movie has been building up for a long time. It started with the first Iron Man movie and has just been teasing us and building up with each subsequent Marvel flick. And the Avengers movie does seem more "fun". Amazing Spider-Man seems to be a darker take on that franchise and we all know how serious the Batman movies are now. So, yeah, I'm ready for some fun.
For me, it boils down to these two reasons:
a) Spiderman: I was happy with Tobey and the last trilogy. Sure, Venom was handled horribly, but it could be fixed in a 4th movie. Or maybe left it as it was, 3 movies and that was all. Suddlenly, out of the blue, a new one and it's a reboot. Why would it be necessary to do that? No thanks, I'll pass unless they make it worth it. And so far, no sir, I don't like it.
b) Batman: Well, last one was good. And it had The Joker/Heath Ledger. Does this one has something as good as the last one? Bane? Oh, well. Not hating it, because I want to see how it goes and how it ends, but not terribly excited about it.
I think what kills this movie for me the most is that they hit the nail so directly on the head with the casting (except for Kirsten Dunst who I thought was a terrible choice for MJ but that is just my opinion) for the first 2. Toby WAS Peter Parker, Rosemary Harris WAS Aunt May, I could go on but you get the point.
Even though I hated the third movie the only 2 people I thought were miscast even in that one was obviously MJ and Venom. The new line up for this movie just doesn't scream Spider-man to me. I'll certainly see it but I'll probably wait for the DVD or second run theatre
I'm torn on this. While I'm glad Raimi decided to walk away instead of doing another sequel that wasn't what he wanted, I'm still not thrilled with the prospects for this obviously modified version of what would have been a 4th movie in the previous series.
I'll probably see this at a 2nd run theater, because nothing in the trailers so far screams opening weekend to me.
It's all about Sony hanging on to a lucrative franchise. If they didn't get this thing in production and into theaters this year, they would have lost Spider-Man to Marvel Studios, and they're not about to do that.
Not when they can hire a cheap director, an unknown lead, and some past-their-prime actors to make a quickie "blockbuster" that will appeal to the Twilight crowd.
Oh I totally get *why* they're doing it, especially the bit with reworking the screen play for Spidey 4 into a reboot in a move similar to Punisher Warzone and Incredible Hulk (only much more focused on rebooting). It's a lot easier and cheaper to take all of the elements that were in place for a 4th movie and rework em into a new series than starting from scratch.
I understand the move, I just don't like it.
This. Especially about Spider-Man. I liked parts 1 and 2, 3 was awful, but they could've made a good 4 instead of this. I've been a Spider-Man fan my entire life, and I have no interest here. Even though they're trying to play up Peter's sense of humor, it still doesn't look like any fun.
Did Gwen always know Peter was Spider-man? My knowledge of spider-man comes mostly from the 90s cartoon series, and she was omitted from that.I cannot decide whether I like this or not. I am not excited to go see it, it doesn't look like it will be as good as avengers. Looks like it could be better than Spider-man from 10 years ago though
If it spares us another round of the "if she only knew the truth about me, but I must protect her" type of plot that usually goes with a secret identity and a love interest I'm totally okay with this.
In the regular universe she never knew he was Spider-man. This looks more like Ultimate Spider-man and I don't know if Gwen knew about him in Ultimate.
This is neither Ultimate, nor 616, nor Marvel Movie universe... This is Sony's Spider-Man Universe, and they make up their own rules as they go along. Continuity and loyalty to the comics means nothing to Sony; They have the film rights, and they can use Spider-Man, and all the names, powers, and locales associated with him, as they see fit.
If they want to make the Lizard have the Ringer's powers, they can do it. If they want Gwen to be Mary Jane with blond hair, they can do it. If they want Peter's parents to be secret super-spies that come back at the end of the movie, they can do it.
And Marvel has very little say in it.
