*sigh... wish the ENTERPRISE crew at least face someone evil and being a true menace for everyone... like Dr Tolian Soran!
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TrekMovie.com says they've confirmed all of these with multiple sources; obviously, take them with a grain of salt, but I don't recall TrekMovie.com getting much if anything wrong, so I'm inclined to believe these are true.
• Leonard Nimoy is returning as Original Recipe Spock.
This sucks, in my opinion, because 1) they already did it in the first movie, and 2) I'm quite ready for the new Trek-verse to stand on its own. Plus, I don't think there's going to be a good reason for him to show up other than to remind hardcore Trek fans that yes, the original Trek is still out there, somewhere.
• Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Khan.
We all suspected this, but it's disappointing it's true. Avoiding the whole "casting an originally ethnic role with the whitest, most British British man to ever have lived" kerfluffle, again, I want the new Trek movies to stand on their own, not just do a rehash of original Trek's greatest hits.
• The Klingons will be in the movie.
This is the one bit of news I'm not disappointed by. I was really hoping the Klingons would be the baddies of Trek 2, if only because they haven't been real Trek villains in forever. It would have been neat to see them as the antagonists again -- and certainly, you could tell some new/original stories with them if you were so inclined. Khan is just so specific a character that even if you try something new, we'll all just be comparing it to the original Star Trek 2.
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Here's hoping this is the fatal flaw that causes the movie to tank, and for people to reject this terrible, pale imitation of Star Trek.
STINO needs to die, and hopefully this will be the nail in its coffin that does it.
The ONLY way you can bring Khan into the ‘verse is to ret-con him anyway. I mean, this is a guy that tried to take over the world during the late 1990’s in a Eugenics War that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED! At least I don’t remember it happening.
So... in order to even have a genetically engineered dictator Khan, he would have to be born much later as the Eugenics War now needs to be set much later, and that means Khan can be pretty much anybody. Or, we can have Khan still around on Earth during the 1990’s, except he is a secret and nobody knows about him, which is not very plausible, but then again Kirk bumping into Spock on an Ice Planet wasn’t very plausible, not to mention that Spock doesn’t even try and notify Star Fleet by way of the base ONLY A FEW FUCKING CLICKS from the cave he is waiting for Kirk in..... bullshit... And Spock can just look up in the sky and watch Vulcan implode, because that ice planet is that close to Vulcan, because THAT’s possible! Come to think of it, I don’t think logic or science will be factoring in too much here.
So they're basically throwing out the whole "alternate timeline" nonsense from the first film and going with a straight reimagining like they should have from the beginning?
The idea with the first film was that the point of divergence was when the Narada faced the Kelvin: everything up to that point was supposedly set in the prime universe - which includes the Eugenics Wars, Khan, etc. Khan was clearly before this point of divergence, he couldn't be affected by the timeline change. Except now he's very very British trying to be Indian, instead of very very Mexican trying to be Indian.
So the only way this can make sense is if this new universe has been an alternate timeline since at least the 1990s. Unless they try to reconcile everything in some hilarious way: maybe in this timeline the Botany Bay's discovered by the Klingons, Khan manages to take over the empire, and he gives himself a racelift for some reason.
If I was in any way invested in nuTrek I'd probably be bothered, but honestly, they can do what they like.
I don't even see why this an issue and why anyone should argue or be mad about this. JJ Abrams Lens Flare Trek is NOT Star Trek, it goes against all that Star Trek stands for. Now don't get me wrong, JJ Abrams Trek movie was entertaining and had some cool parts, but it's not real Star Trek and as soon as I accepted that it's not so bad.
The only similar situation I can relate this too would be the Yakuza game series on PS2 and PS3, you have Yakuza 1 through 4 which tell a continuing story. But then all of the sudden you have Yakuza Dead Souls which features the same locations and characters but there are zombies and ruin. For what the game is, it's pretty fun. But its considered as a game by itself and not a part of the canon of the series. Yakuza 5 will come out eventually and not have anything to do with zombies.
Did that makes sense, or did I just confuse everyone more?
You lost me at Yakuza, and then lost me again at PS3. Once zombies came into the argument I completely bailed on you. I hate zombies. Other then that, I was right there with you
My long comparison is sort of confusing, it made sense to me though. Basically JJ Abrams Star Trek should be viewed as a non canon side movie, like the aforementioned Yakuza game with zombies is a non canon side game to the actual series. Not necessarily bad, just different and having its own merit like JJ Abrams Star Trek. Maybe that clears it up?
Antonio Banderas would have been a better Khan. Same accent and ethnicity. Khan was from Spain.
There's gotta be a nerd fail in every article.
Khan wasn't Spanish. Montalban wasn't even Spanish. The internet is a thing that you are on, a little research - particularly when talking to geeks - goes a long way.
OK WHAT THE FUCK , COULDNT THEY HAVE GOTTEN THE SEXY MANWHORE Oded Fehr as Kahn ??
he is FUCKING AMAZING >__>
after that i actually dong give a FUCK about this movie...the only thing that is as bad is MY BIRDS OF PREY are going to look like Voyager >__>
UGH
dude , im looking at this guy and all im seeing is a BURN VICTIM he is almost androgynous >__>
I really hope Cumberbatch isn't Khan. After the numerous comments from Abrams and others that Khan won't be in the sequel, this would either mean that they were lying, or that Paramount over ruled them and said "people recognize Khan, put him in there!". The last time a studio forced a director to add a character he didn't want into a movie we got Venom in Spidey 3 and we all know how that turned out.
Then again, how awesome would it be if Cumberbatch shows up as Khan long enough to get savagely mauled and bludgeoned to death by a bunch of Klingons? In fact, I would pay thrice to see that.
Star Trek 2 spoilers? Scotty's nephew dies, Khan from Space Seed comes back and . . . Spock is killed saving the Enterprise!
Oh, wait - you're talking about Star Treak 12. Never mind.
Instead of Khan, couldn't they have Harry Mudd show up instead....with his extremely hot women..
This is what I hate about re-boots/re-imagined stories. Telling the same story over and over. Look at the next Superman and Spiderman, re-telling the origin story yet again. One thing I like about the current cartoon super shows is that they just get right to the action, even after a 5 year jump on Young Justice. The idea of Nightwing/Zantana pairing is new and original. If you are going to re-boot, why do the same thing again?
As to the Klingons, I will make a prediction.
*They will show up even more violent and bad ass only so that Khan appears even more a bad ass when he slaughters all of them.*
If Spock 1.0 is in here, then here's how Khan's story will go down:
1. Spock Prime realizes the importance of dealing with Khan properly this time around and realizes there's no future to corrupt by giving spoilers (since the original future is borked anyway). He tells Kirk about it.
2. The Enterprise finds the Botany Bay, and they treat Khan well. They settle him and his crew on a planet that WON'T get all fucked up. In fact, they put him on a paradise and send a Federation liaison to communicate with Khan and his people, making certain that they are treated fairly.
3. Khan actually appreciates this and becomes Kirk's ally.
4. Klingons attack. Kirk and crew are really screwed because they lose the fight, but Khan shows up to save the day.
5. For good measure, they cut off VGER and the whale-tube before they get to Earth, and deal with those threats in the end credits.
Yeah, I agree that remaking the Space Seed/Wrath of Khan story is a quagmire, and they should have gone with an original Klingon story instead, because you can't remake Wrath of Khan and hope to do better, so what's the point? Just leave Khan for original Trek and move on.
Why shouldn't Nimoy be back? I mean he's kinda responsible for leading what's left of the Vulcan people....
Also, as frustrated as I was about it at first, Khan and the Klingons make sense if they take it from the Eugenics war point of view. I trust this team knows what they're doing.
I find your faith... disturbing.
I mean we are talking about a team that put together a movie that only managed to continue to its conclusion by coincidences so large they should have been listed as producers on the credits.
The idea that Original Spock would warn them about Khan makes no sense. It would make more sense if he just let them leave the ship floating.
Now, a different ship could find it. Maybe a different race could find it...
Dudes, everyone needs to put down the hateraid and watch Sherlock. Benedict Cumberbatch has got some acting chops and has the voice of a young Alan Rickman. What's not to love?
The fact that they're retconning a character that was ethnic, and whitewashing him with a British actor. That's what.
I don't know, I think it's pretty logical.
I mean if I were Spock, the absolute first thing I would do after Nero would be to tell my younger self, "Hey, look, there's a ship out there called the Botany Bay, and just trust me on this one, you should probably capture everyone on board, put them in the brig, and ship them off to the darkest hole you can find. Alternatively, if you ever find yourself facing off against the USS Reliant and she's not answering your hails, tell Jim to raise the goddamned shields."
...after Nero was dead...
Although, if the character did bat both sides, he could probably do worse than Eric Bana.
I was hoping Cumberbatch would be playing Sybok. He'd make a decent Vulcan. I don't mind Khan being used, but I think it was a miscast.
Okay, it's official. In the next Star Trek, Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Khan.Khan was originally played by Latino Ricardo Montalbon, and portrayed in a way to make him seem mixed-race, as befitting his genetic heritage of history's greatest conquerors.So of course, for the reboot, thye hire White Honky Benedict Cumberbatch to play White Honky Cracker Khan. "Hi, I'm white and British! Surely I am descended from Genghis Khan!" WHITE HONKY JIVE TURKY CRACKAS PLAYIN' KHAN!!!!!!!
It's Avatar: The Last Racebender all over again.
I think you and the rest of the world have a different understanding of the word "official".
KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok I'm dissapointed. Klingons yes, Khan no. Unless the space seed episode is a sub plot it makes absolutely no sense in Khan even being there.Oh great mother please don't let this be a combo of Khan and Kruge movies.. ewwww
Hopefully they're wrong about this Khan thing. You know who would've made a great Khan considering his backstory? Naveen Andrews. Excellent casting right in your face. JJ knows him, I'm sure he respects him, would've made total casting sense. Still, nothing against ol' Sherlock though if it's true. Just seems like a perfect fit.
I hate the idea of Khan for this film. The main reason for this is finding an actor with enough resemblance to Montalban. The universe deviation for the new Trek univese didn't occur until Nero's ship arrived in Kirk's father's time. Khan had long since been put in suspended animation after the the eugenics war fo the late 1990's/ early 2000s. Thereby, any major deviation of appearance would be insulting to the fans(fanatics) of the original series. damn, now i sound like a trek freak lol
Stand on it's own? This so-called "new Trek" has Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty, Chekov, Sulu and the bloody Enterprise. They're not really going to stand on their own if they're reusing characters who have already had their story told.
Agreed. I don't have a problem with remakes at all as long as they give their own unique spin on the characters/story. The original did a good job with the original crew. I don't see any reason why the second movie couldn't do something new and interesting with Khan. You know, if Cumberpatch's Khan is more cerebral, maybe he's going to be more of a rival for Spock than Kirk...
Ok. They got a latino man to play Khan the first time, and it was awesome...but a man who is quite possibly whiter than ME (i'm irish and german and practically translucently pale) playing a fucking Indian?!? Dammit. Dammit. Dammit. I'm still gonna see it, but DAMMIT.
Incidentally, I was really hoping that B.C was gonna portray Harry Mudd. Oh well.
Well I'm thinking James Marsters may be the exception, but all in all, totally true. I'm just more infuriated by the fact that rather than even getting another Latino actor to play the role, they are getting perhaps the whitest actor in existence. Evidence:http://www.fanpop.com/spots/be...
I'm fairly certain he's a natural blonde... And he's gonna play a frelling INDIAN???!!!???Not even an Italian actor would do?? Really???
Disappointed by Cumberbatch playing Khan?
They're replacing Uhura with Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.
so we had A HOT BLACK CHICK replaced with her WHITE counterpart ??only Rosie has a COLOR issue since she should be black with her features *amazing lips hot button nose and curves as far as the eye can see*
