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"There's been no censorship, no foul play. The version of Marvel's Avengers Assemble [the U.K. title for The Avengers] on Blu-ray disc in the U.K. is the same as the version shown theatrically. It really is. The simple fact is for a 12 certificate film in the U.K., that scene was deemed inappropriate. So Marvel Studios chose to remove the spear tip digitally."
People get impaled on stuff all the time in the UK. It's just because it's Agent Coulson that we really can't deal with it emotionally. We've complained to the government and they're going to release a re-edited version where Loki and Coulson just have a pillow fight and then hug and make up and go for a cup of tea.
Huh, I'm pretty sure my DVD copy has the spear...guess I'm going to have to re-watch it and see. But maybe the DVD and blu-ray editing is different?
Goddammit you're right WTF am I banging on about? 12A is in between PG and 12 Well that's weird, I wonder if there's some rule saying they can't show entry/exit wounds onscreen at the same time? Although from what Christian posted further down the board it seems they made the cut using the wrong guidelines?? Ah well who cares, dead's dead :)
Well not really. The BBFC asks what rating the company wants, the company tells them and then the. BBFC recommends cuts. As far as I understand it the rules on what makes a film a certain certificate are slightly different in theatres Versus home entertainment so that's why you see different cuts occasionally If Disney had wanted a higher rating the scene would pass with no cuts
At least their way makes sense. Who thinks it's okay to show people get shot and killed all the time but freaks out over the slightest hint of sexuality? A handful of grandma's, aka the MPAA, that's who.
"It was 12A rather than 12 so more violence allowed" Actually no, "12A" means children as young as 8 can come in if they are accompanied by an adult. "12" means nobody younger than 12 is allowed to see it. (Well actually on DVD it just means you have to be 12 or older to buy it, but you get the idea.) Technically a "12" on DVD should allow for MORE violence, not less. And yes, it does seem like they've reduced the violence on the DVD (now I go to check, which I hadn't done before previous comments of mine) since the theatrical release. Now Coulson is surprised by Loki and is stabbed in the back, but the spike doesn't come out of his chest anymore. It's not exactly a cut. There's still the same amount of footage, but they've removed the visual effect of the spike on Loki's staff exiting Coulson's chest. But the spike on the staff is clearly flourished afterwards making it clear that Coulson has been stabbed in the back and badly.
Apparently we didn't see as much gore as the Americans did I guess? But yeah, it didn't look THAT censored. This story seems blown out of proportion. Edit: Oh, they changed it from the version we saw in the cinema. What???
Not quite. "Disney UK Home Entertainment" are being totally honest that they didn't censor anything. They allowed the BBFC to censor and then kept the same licensed version (since they can't release a different version without changing the age rating of the film) on the DVD and Blu-Ray. So it's like "there was no napalm involved, we just rounded up all the bad guys in a large open space and let these other guys napalm whoever they wanted...." The point is the person speaking did NO censorship and the only problem is their phrasing "there's been no censorship" rather than "WE did no censorship".
TV shows with mature content are shown after the watershed when "delicate flowers" are tucked up in bed. "Avengers Assemble" (what a stupid title we were lumbered with, as if the previous dreadful "Avengers" movie wasn't released in the US too) was a film aimed at older children, so it was reasonable to ensure the film was suitable for that age group.
I'm not sure I understand. This was a film shown to older children, but which also allowed younger children in if accompanied (hence "12A"). Arguably wounds in LOTR (for which the "12A" rating, replacing "12" which simply disallowed anyone under the age of 12, was first developed) weren't this graphic either. It's not that Brits are delicate flowers. It's that we consider children to be delicate flowers. If it had a higher certificate like the Dark Knight movies, this wouldn't be an issue.
I'm pretty sure that when I watched the avengers in cinemas here in the UK the staff was plainly visible.
How do the British feel about this American pretender to "The Avengers" title? Especially with Scarlett looking a lot like Mrs. Peel...
So if they have a goofy smile when they whack someone, it can be "Teenage Mutant NINJA Turtles," but if they're snarling or grimacing, it has to be "Mutant HERO Turtles"?
That's kinda like "we didn't use Napalm...'Napalm' is the name of a specific fuel thickening agent comprised of napthenic acid and palmitic acid, typically added to gasoline. The stuff we use is a benezene-polystyrene mix combined with kerosene. Totally different."
Fixed: Well, at least they didn't try to go the Fleshlight way. Black widow with Fleshlights. Hawkeye launching Fleshlights at everyone. A Fleshlight sticking out of Coulson's chest.
they made the avengers 12a so any young child can see it so long as they are with an adult, so there are 7and 8 year olds watching so its not quite as bad as you lot are making out
strange. I'm Canadian and I remember being emotionally traumatized at the sight of Agent Coulson using his chest to suffocate that poor defenseless spear.
" I'm okay with nipples Always have been Always will be" add that to the list of things that should be on a Topless Robot t-sirt
"It's just that seeing a dude get impaled is likely to turn British people into violent, lunatic anarchists," Wait, they're not already? much like seeing a female nipple turns Americans into homicidal dog rapists." Just to clarify, are you saying it turns us homicidal and makes us rape dogs, or that is turns us into people who rape homicidal dogs?
Was it wrong that when I read that, I got a different mental image of Black Widow's flashlights?
I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to see Coulson impaled on Loki's spear. (This Ain't The Avengers XXX.)
Except NOW they're reversing THAT position http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/19/the-avengers-dvd-screw-up-disney-and-marvel-apologise-and-explain/Disney have now clarified just what’s going on and sent me the following:Thanks to those of you who have let us know about an issue on the Marvel Avengers Assemble UK Blu-ray and DVD release, which has a less graphic depiction of Agent Coulson’s confrontation with Loki. Each country has its own compliance issues relative to depictions of violence. Unfortunately, another region’s elements were inadvertently used to create the UK in home release which minimally altered this scene in the film. We thank our fans for their vigilance in recognizing this and apologize for the mix up
Headbutts and nunchucks are fine now, just so long as they're used for lighthearted slapstick japery
Do British censors still object to headbutts and nunchucks? Someone British tell me what this is about.
Hey man, fuck you. I DO enjoy the blood, death, and mutilation thank you very much. Though I do agree it would be nice to add some nudity to the mix.
With the spear tip removed it now looks like surprise buttsex. How do I know this? I've surprised a few in my day. Just the tip my ass!!!
Well, at least they didn't try to go the flashlight way. Black widow with flashlights. Hawkeye launching flashlights at everyone. A flashlight sticking out of Coulson's chest.
It was 12A rather than 12 so more violence allowed, also I think there's a general tendency to rate higher for home audiences cos dopey parents let their kids watch shit on DVD unsupervised while they're off doing crack or whatever...
Really, British people? It's not cool to show a dude with a spear-tip sticking out of his chest, but it's perfectly okay to show the dead body of an underage magician kid who died alongside his friends at the Battle of Hogwarts with zero discretion shot whatsoever? Really? Delicate flower my foot!
Huh, that's wierd I went to see The Avengers 3 times at my local British cinema and on all 3 occassions I distinctly remember being emotionally traumatized at the sight of a 3d spear sticking out of Coulson's chest... any other Brits remember seeing an uncensored version?
1: To comply with a rating for 12 year olds. Fine, that's their business. It's a tiny change. 2: I'd rather be able to see beautiful people naked on TV (like in Europe) without congress calling special sessions, than all the torture and murder in every primetime drama that we currently 'enjoy'.
Sorry that was meant to be a reply to Ford further down. What I meant to say before my dumb fingers posted was that they could have kept the shot if they accepted a higher rating, unfortunately unlike in cinemas where they can take a slightly higher 12A, they need to go up to 15 on DVD , Blu Ray etc, so have chosen themselves to make the edit
Yeah, impaling is too far you guys. Nipples are fine though, we're A-OK with nipples here. Just ask Kate!
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