Another "who cares" move by Joe Quesada

Happy 90th Birthday Stan,

We shit on Spider-Man for you

Sincerely,

Disney Comics

I was on the fence before #700 came out. I've been reading ASM since '05 and just stuck it out through the good and bad (mostly bad) hoping that we'd get good stories like Joe Kelly's Rhino issues, Zeb Well's Lizard arc and the crossover issues Waid did with Daredevil. But instead we got horrible crap like Guggenheim's terrible issues and almost all of Slott's work. When I heard about the whole Marvel Now! Initiative, I thought for sure Spider-Man would be handed to someone else, someone better, so I was terribly disappointed Slott wasn't leaving the book. So I put everything on the #700 issue hoping that whatever Slott did was enough to pull me into Superior as ASM was my only dose of Spidey. And this issue did settle it, I'm dropping Spider-Man. The nonsensical story put me over. ASM was already at the bottom of my stack month after month, now my stack is one book lighter and my wallet $4 richer. Here's hoping Slott(s run is short lived so I can enjoy Spidey again.

Maybe it will turn out that Spider Man was Kraven this whole time and the comic where he kills himself was all fake.

Thing is, Ock isn't as evil as, say, Norman Osborn but the man is clearly crazy with a history of breakdowns that make Hank Pym look rational. Plus, the man has committed at least a dozen cold-blooded murders I can think of and probably more I missed. This isn't an "anti-hero," he tried to end the world a few months back. Yet Peter dies thinking that accessing his memories will make Ock a good man? It makes no sense at all.

What ticks me off is how blatant this is a cash-grab. When Brubaker killed Steve Rogers, it was organic to his storytelling and really made you think he'd keep Bucky as Cap for good. This, we already know it'll be fixed, hell, Slott set up the "backdoor" in this very issue so it's obvious Marvel getting publicity for more money and a "daring" storyline. Yeah, look at the mid-90's to see how that line of thinking worked out....

 plus it was either this thing. or marvel relent and have mary  jane and peter undo one more day and get their marriage back. or peter finaly finds out that norman kidnapped their baby and goes searching for her. and brings her back into the regular mu. to make spider man worthy of making it to 700 hundred issues and being around for fifty years already

given how the reason spider man has lasted this long is like batman , marvel comes up with ways to try and keep him fresh actully found this new twist interesting . since odds are given the  movies sooner or later they will go back to spider man being peter parker again . even though it would mean killing doctor octopus off for good .

Yeah, it's not permanent. But Marvel can flip the bird for a Loooooong time. Remember One More Day?

The people at my comic shop are legitimately pissed off at Marvel about this, and with good reason. I went in after the place had only been open for five hours and the guy at the counter said that 20 people have already requested to have Superior removed from their pull lists (and they're going to have more, because I'm sure as hell not going along with this bullshit). On top of that, Marvel set the FOC deadline to two days before 700 came out, so their going to have this big stack of unsold Spider-Man comics that at least 20 of their loyal customers would rather burn than read.

And what the hell are we even supposed to call him in Superior anyway? Because calling him Peter is a lie, and calling him Otto just infuriates me.

Remember when Kaine killed Doc Ock? Yeah...

This ridiculous storyline is everything that's wrong with comics today. A writer going for pointless shock value by shitting all over a beloved character and not thinking about the repercussions of his writing, then trying to convince us it's permanent.

It's sad.

I've been collecting comics for almost 27 years. I've seen many characters "die" only to come back. If anyone thinks that Peter won't be back, you don't know comics. What will probably happen is a portion of Pete is still in there and will grow until, at first, there'll be a "man with two brains" situation. Then Peter will eventually regain control.

All I have to say on this matter: "Oh, comics."

One of the things that bothers me is that Ock has access to ALL of Peter's memories all ready, but it's not until Pete starts dying in front of him and has his life flash before his eyes (which Ock can see) that Doc Ock has a change of heart and decides to live the rest of his life honoring Peter Parker...

Until you read Avenging Spider-Man where for 3/4 of it he talks about how great he is and how much he is better than Spidey and how he was a waste of space.

Oh, and of course all the rape of MJ that will happen when Ock hooks up with her.  Can't forget that.  Of course, seeing how it's Peter Parker (the most shit on character in Marvel) no one actually knows he's dead so no one is there to mourn for him and just when his life was getting good again.

I still think it will be revealed that Peter got Doc Ocks memories and we'll finally get to see that it was Peter thinking he was Doc Ock thinking he was Peter...

"The World's Greatest Super Hero"

Superman appears in the issue?

Oh, I'm sorry...Batman appears in the issue.

This is why i don't really read comics too much (minus The Walking Dead) because i can't handle the reboots, retcons and deaths that go no where.  Where is the Doctor Who spoiler thread?

Good morning my fellow TRer's. I have finally arose from my turkey based coma.

The worst part about this - apart from the potential for yet another bad guy raping women while pretending to be Peter storyline ala what happened with The Chameleon a few years ago - is that this is horribly out of character for Doc Ock. 

He wants to be a hero?  Since when?  Back in the Stan Lee days he was a socially distant man, even before his lab accident made him go crazy.  He was so lacking in basic decency that he had to be threatened with physical violence in order to use his knowledge of radiation to try and save Sue Richard's baby..  The guy is such a colossal dick that when a defiant Betty Brant said "Does it really make you feel powerful?  Threatening helpless women and children," he said, without hesitation that it did.  He went out of his way to make it clear - after someone stole his technology and he was defeated while Spider-Man was still standing - that the only reason he was telling Spidey how to beat the guy was so that the guy would be beaten - he cared nothing about protecting the innocent or helping people - just hurting the guy whole stole from him.

The only way I can see this working as a concept is if they do it like the Silver Age, where the bad guy is struggling to ruin the hero's reputation.  And even then that doesn't work for Spider-Man because he's already hated by half the city.

i look foward to The Amazing Spider-Man #701

I have to admit, this sounds like a great mini-series. However, as an ongoing series this is an awful idea.  

Oh, Also, the comic cost $7.99. And half of it is devoted to some shitty Black Cat back up story, fan letters, sketches and other bullcrap! If they wanted to do that, fine, but at least put out a bare-bones one too for people that just want to read the main story and not pay 8 bucks.

All I can think is a retcon in the making for another retcon.

I like the idea of Doc Ock being the new Spider-Man, but him being Peter Parker as well is extremely creepy. This is a man in his 50s in the body of man in his 20s, with his memories, his family (including his aunt, a woman Doc Ock almost married), his friends and love interest (discussions regarding whether it can be considered rape is Doc Ock Spider-Man has sex with MJ have already started). 

I know it won't last, but meanwhile I'm not sure if I want to read a book with all those implication (though maybe Dan Slott notices all that and solves it in a non creepy way).

Well, the Marvel execs say it's permanent, but yeah, wait until "Amazing Spider Man 2" comes out, then he'll be back. What I get pissed about is Cap's death. Sure, he didn't go out fighting, but his death truly had meaning. But then, it's all like, "no, see, Sharon was brainwashed and used a magic gun Dr. Doom made to freeze Steve in time blah blah blah". Plus Thor met Steve's Ghost. His ghost. He had to have been dead for that to happen, right?