Jason Statham is to the "heist gone wrong" movie as Steven Seagal was to the "out for revenge" fight flick or Jean-Claude Van Damme was to the "high-stakes tournament" pic: it may not be the only thing he ever does, but it is what he's known for and what you can frequently expect. Parker may not be much different in that regard, but it comes with a significantly higher pedigree than usual: it features a classic cinematic character, based on a series of Donald Westlake novels, who has been portrayed in the past by the likes of Lee Marvin (Point Blank) and Mel Gibson (Payback); and it's directed by industry veteran Taylor Hackford, known for films like Ray, An Officer and a Gentleman, The Devil's Advocate and being married to Helen Mirren.
Hackford has been directing movies since 1973, but this is his first action film. I sat down with him to discuss such things as choreographing Jason Statham, casting Jennifer Lopez against type, and where he finds the time to make movies while being president of the DGA and husband to an imposing talent.
Luke Y. Thompson: So with being president of the DGA and having a spouse who is always in the awards mix, where did you find time to make movies during all of the awards hoopla?
Taylor Hackford: The great thing about the Director's Guild is that we have working leadership. We always have: Frank Capra, Robert Wise - all these people in my past and the Director Guild's, were always working, and that's one of the criteria. We want someone to be president and still work, so it wasn't that difficult.
LYT: It also seems like you picked up the pace and you're making movies more often.
TH: That is a function of finding material that you can - it's hard, it took me 13 years to get Ray on the screen. I thought, "Ray Charles! Everyone will be storming to finance this movie!" It wasn't the case. So sometimes it's not your willingness, sometimes it's just the reality that nobody really trusts that something is going to be successful, and you just have to fight it out.
LYT: This was probably a much surer bet, I would guess, because the Parker character has been done so many times.
TH: It comes with a bit of a legacy, yes, but at the same time there are some liabilities. It's been done a lot, so therefore you're going to be evaluated by millions of Parker fans, the readers of the books, and also the fans of the old movies. So you think to yourself, "I'm going to do this," but it's not like it's an original idea; it's a character, a literary character who a lot of people know and love, so you're going to be judged, so, so be it!
LYT: It's also incredible how this character tailors so well (no pun intended) to so many stars and their existing personas. It worked perfectly for Lee Marvin, Mel Gibson, Jason Statham. What is it about the character you think that it can be tailored so well to each individual?
TH: Donald Westlake, although he was working under a pseudonym, Richard Stark, created - in fact, he chose the last name of his pseudonym based on the style of his writing: stark. He said "I don't want to use a lot of words; I want this man to be a silent character." He's a professional thief, unapologetically so - he wants to steal as much money as he can, and he has not one iota of remorse about it. At the same time, he's a man that has a set of rules that he follows, and he will never cheat on those rules; he goes right after it. There's something admirable about that. Even though it's abhorrent what he does, at the same time there's a certain integrity to Parker that you can't help but admire.
Now, I think that translates beautifully as a cinematic character. A man who is a silent, hard man. A man who is smart, because Parker is cunning and smart, but doesn't say very much - from a filmmaker's point of view, it's a great challenge. I don't like narration. When I see narration in a film, even though sometimes it has worked, I kind of say the filmmaker has failed, he has to resort to narration. But think of the problems involved! Because if a man doesn't say very much, but at the same time he's watching and seeing things, you have to reveal him visually. And that was the great challenge here, and a lot of fun. When you're working with someone like Jason Statham - you know he was an Olympic diver for England, and those people are notorious perfectionists, and when they're in the air twisting around, everything has to be perfect and detailed, and that's a definition of Jason when he's working. He is meticulous, he is tireless, and ultimately I felt he would be a very good Parker.
LYT: As a director and a producer, do you relate to Parker's idea of "You can do whatever you want as long as you follow my simple rules"?
TH: Mine as a director/producer? I'm a realist. Filmmaking is a collaboration. I'm president of the Director's Guild; I believe that you need vision from the person at the helm, and that that vision should be real. But if you can't communicate that vision, how can you expect the people that you're working with, whether it's the actor or the cinematographer, to really be able to give you what you want? It's first of all a communicative art, and number two, it's a decision-making art. You have to listen as quickly as you can to all of the talented collaborators you're working with, including the actors, because if you just dictate to them and say "Do what I say!", they're going to resent it, they're going to rebel. You must open it up, you must listen to them, and then you finally say, "OK, I've heard enough. This is what we're going to do." They appreciate the definitiveness of it, and you'd better be right! You know, the ones where you're right, you get to make another film; when you're wrong, you may not. But, as I said, I celebrate the position, and I'm president of the organization. I love filmmakers, but I don't think that filmmakers, even the greatest auteurs, get by without listening to their collaborators.
LYT: So when you get to something like the stand-out fight sequence in this movie - which is very well-directed, especially the end of it; I loved the last couple of beats - how much of that did you choreograph in your mind, how much of that was Jason, having fought in scenes like this before - whose ideas do you see in the final product there?
TH: I have to go back to the source material. In Donald Westlake's book - pardon me, Richard Stark's book! - that knife going through the hand? That was written. John McLaughlin, the screenwriter, a wonderful adapter, had it in there. I was bound and determined to make sure it was done right. So you can write it, but how is it going to be done? And Jason, when I was going through the entire fight - as I said, he's a perfectionist. So I had storyboarded the entire fight, and I had shown it to him, we had discussed it.
Now I have Daniel Bernhardt, who has starred in action movies (Bloodsport 2 and 3 among them) - I have the two protagonists of this fight who are both actually doing it, no stunt men - that's a gift to a director, because you've seen a million fights where you get three cuts every second and a half, you go to all these different things, and the reason for that is because you have a stuntman in there and you're trying to cover it up and not see it. I can let two or three moves within a fight happen because the two people who are actually on screen are actually doing the fight. So when I storyboard that fight and do what I wanted - again, I'm following, there are creations there, yes, is everything in the book, no - but a lot of what's in the book, that was written.
So you then try to say, OK, I've got great inspiration, now what do I do to make it different than most other fights? I think a lot of that is key to the fact that I have two actors in the fight who can do their own stunts. They're not afraid of it, they can really do continuity, and really go after it; this, I think, is the key. Parker's not Superman; he gets hurt. Richard Stark/Donald Westlake is constantly maiming his main character! (laughs) He has to recover. In this film, he gets thrown out of a car at 50 miles per hour and hits the sidewalk. You see him, although he has an incredible sense of control to get up and steal his vehicle, he's not going to go the next day and do what he's going to do. He steals an EMS vehicle, he goes out in the forest, and he knows how to administer and heal himself. A couple, three weeks later, you see him back, his beard has grown, but you know that he's for real; he's not magic man.
And I think, in that fight at the end of it when Jason's sitting there with blood all over him, and he's breathing - that's not phony, he's been through it. He, as an actor, had a major opponent, and he really is exhausted, and when you see the next scene, which is at Jennifer Lopez's/Leslie's house, and his hand is being sewn up, he's wincing, and at the same time, he is mind over matter. Maybe his one arm doesn't work well, but he's still going to go meet the bad guys. It's that fine line of, could you and I do that? No, but Parker can - but Parker's for real; he's not a fantasy figure.
I just re-read the Stark novel this is based on, one of the more recent ones he wrote in the last decade or so, Flashfire. It bothered me when I saw the previews because I thought they were doing a re--re-adaptation of the first Parker novel (The Oufit, done as Point Blank w/Marvin and Payback w/Gibson) because you see Parker shot in the previews. I had forgotten he is shot in Flashfire as well, now the preview makes more sense.
If Hackford keeps most of the plot points from Flashfire intact, there should be a great heist sequence towards the end of the movie.
Parker is one of those characters that hasn't built a coherent actor-portrayal yet, so I'd welcome a series of movies done correctly. It's funny to look at all of the film adaptations of Parker novels and Dortmunder novels just to see all of the different actors - for Parker, you've got Lee Marvin, Mel Gibson, Peter Coyote, Jim Brown (The Split, which was just on TCM the other night) and several others. Then for Dortmunder there's Robert Redford, George C. Scott, Christopher Lambert, Martin Lawrence...
@LYT@timlakin The truly terrible movie version of What's the Worst That Could Happen? Which made me doubly sad since it's one of the best of the Dortmunder books. I was so hoping that would have been made with someone decent in the lead (like William H. Macy, who I always pictured as perfect for playing Dortmunder) but it got butchered into a lousy Martin Lawrence comedy instead.
@NealKristopher@timlakin@LYT Sure, there have been several Dortmunder books made into movies. Some of them were pretty good, like the Hot Rock with Robert Redford and George Segal as Kelp.
IMDB search for Donald E. Westlake and you can see all of the different movies based on his books. The guy wrote probably 200 to 300 books (he used so many names, it's hard to tell) so there are always new ones I'm discovering, like that one with Jim Brown that I mentioned.
I'm sorry that you are upset this site is dealing with things other
than what you personally approve of. You are welcome to start your own
blog. I personally enjoy the movie reviews. I don't care so much about
the food reviews, so...I don't read those. There is actually a whole comment thread here on tea. I'm pretty sure 'nerdery' encompasses a wider variety than what you think.
I find it interesting that Topless Robot has started to veer away from the geek-exclusive side of entertainment and into more mainstream stuff that geeks can appreciate, like action flicks and sammiches.
I've always been a huge Richard Stark/Westlake fan (Its what inspired my main character in my book Mr. Pale Steps Out) and the only part of the upcoming flick I'd worried about was the Lopez factor... This helped. Nice interview, Luke!
@NealKristopher ah, we do attract the literature crowd around here. Where's your book at? Wait, found it at Smashwords... and Amazon... published last friday - so you're not doing an exclusive deal with Amazon?
@Gallen_Dugall@NealKristopher Yeah, thats the one - It's not literature by any means though. hahah I have my kids ghost adventure book (THE WHISPERING FERNS, written under the name Kristopher McClanahan) exclusive to Amazon, but I had quite a few people that wanted to read this with nooks and what have you, so I decided to skip the exclusive option for now. I may sign up later so that I can be eligible for lending and freebies, but it'll probably be after my next is at least done with the editing stage. My wife cranks out a book in about 40 days, it takes me that long to decide what I want on the cover. hahah
@NealKristopher@Gallen_Dugall Mr. Pale sounds like it could be interesting. Might check it out when I get through with what's already on my Kindle now. There's something you should fix, though, in the description of the book. One line says "A series of biological weapon-laced bombs were triggered the same night he went into the vault and killed a large portion of the population of the US." Makes it sound like a large portion of the US was killed in a vault. Not trying to be a troll or anything, though.
My husband is a HUGE Statham fan. I enjoy him, but not as much as he does. We saw the preview for this and I had told him he was welcome to make a guy night out of it. May have to watch it after all!
@rabidronnie I read that as "My husband is a HUGE Statham fan. I enjoy my husband, but not as much as Statham does." the first time through - my brain must not be working - need tea
My wife uses loose leaf for the most part, aside from when she's making a huge pot in the thermos. I've tried a few black teas I've liked, but I usually modify it to the point that I might as well just be drinking the additions.
@Gallen_Dugall@Canadian.Scott@NealKristopher@rabidronnie Interesting, lemon...i don't know if my Japanese grandmother would approve but maybe i will give it a shot. And to speak to a previous comment. Loose tea leaves is truly the way to go.
@NealKristopher@rabidronnie@Gallen_Dugall If it is green tea, i drink it straight with nothing in it. If it is any other tea, i drink it with milk only. You can thank my Scottish grandmother for that one piece of advice.
@Gallen_Dugall @NealKristopher @rabidronnie my grandpa was retired navy and he started giving me coffee at the old age of 11. Navy coffee is different from regular coffee my grandpa used like over half of can to make a small pot.
@NealKristopher@rabidronnie@Gallen_Dugall I always recommend coffee drinkers start with a very dark and strong blend - Tetly's British Blend is a safe choice, just remember to let the tea steep before you try it. Otherwise milk and sugar as you take it in your coffee I suppose. I can't stand coffee.
@10glfan59 I once heard an awesome quote for all the coffee drinkers out there: "If what you're drinking can't be used as a surgical disinfectant, you're not really trying to wake up."
@NealKristopher@rabidronnie@Gallen_Dugall Depends on the tea. Before I discovered loose leaf tea I pretty much couldn't drink the stuff at all unless it was drowned in milk and sugar. I highly recommend easing into it with chai lattes, especially if you're a fan of spices. Add a good dose of milk and a little bit of sugar.
I used to be the same way (except my mother was the tea drinker), and I discovered that my mom and I have completely different tastes in tea, which is why I thought I hated it. So try a bunch of different flavors and see what works for you. Don't be afraid to add sugar and milk--even if you do, it's still pretty crazily good for you.
@rabidronnie@Gallen_Dugall My wife is a huge tea drinker, but I've never been able to get into it. I lovingly refer to it as her dirt water. How do you guys drink it? straight? I'd like to get more into it, but I fear sugary drinks have destroyed my palate for the finer things.
@Gallen_Dugall@rabidronnie interesting! I'm a lover of chai, myself. But in the fandom blends that I've tried so far, I highly recommend 9 (as in the Doctor) and Rose Tyler. Rose is better iced than hot in my opinion, but I actually have a cup of 9 right now. It is amazing.
At first i thought Jennifer Lopez was playing her character from Out of
Sight but i see that is not the case here. This should be
interesting especially since i haven't given these movies a second thought.
I've not read the novels, but I have read the graphic novels. Those are great, so I'm looking forward to the movie. Plus, I'm a fan of Statham. I'm rather surprised that I haven't gotten tired of his constant typecasting. He's been in about 20 movies where he plays the role of kickass, yet I still love him.