Cooper is like 61. If Spider-Man is taking on retirement age villains, why just add the Vulture to the movie?
It's veteran character actor, recent Muppet foe and frequent star of John Sayles movies Chris Cooper. As a thespian, he can pretty much do no wrong, but it's a far less obvious choice than Willem Dafoe was, and certainly skewing older than the darkened 3-D hologram of his head vaguely revealed in the first one.
Is Marc Webb trying to overcompensate for the lack of costume stuff in the first one? Already we have Electro and Rhino, along with some gleefully irresponsible speculation that Harry Osborn will become Venom. Now we have Norman, who will invariably become Green Goblin in a potential part 3 if not this one.
One thing we can say - like Sam Raimi casting Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, Webb appears to be casting good actors regardless of whether or not they look like the traditional incarnation of the character.
Then again, we used to think Halle Berry was a good actress before Catwoman.
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hope if not this film that when norman does become the green goblin the producers and company don't go back to that power ranger goblin suit like the sam rami film. for they are just proably having him just norman with electro as the main bad and then later films green goblin. since gwen stacy is also in the film. and set her up for her death later down the road .
Just because the character will appear in the movie, does not mean he will BECOME Green Goblin as well. Narratively, it makes sense for Pete to gradually climb the ladder from general baddies - Like Lizard, Elektro, and Rhino - up to more notorious members of his rogues gallery, like Green Goblin. I think we can all safely say that it's far more likely we won't see him - or for that matter, the death of Gwen - until the third flick. Nothing wrong with laying down the groundwork for that until then. I wouldn't worry about them included too many villains just yet.
Now let's talk real issues, here: will the Green Goblin still look like a Power Rangers monster?
1. Halle Berry was never-- and will never be-- a good actress. Her Oscar win was a fluke. They were dazzled by her nipples.
2. Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man was a terrible, horrible movie that shat on Peter Parker and insulted long-time fans of Spider-Man. It was also full of stupid cliches and characters with no brains. Seriously-- Parker DENTS THE FOOTBALL GOALPOST WITH A BALL and nobody thinks that's weird? Especially after displaying amazing athletic ability and shattering the backboard on the basketball court? Peter Parker would never do that stuff. Hiding his identity is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING to him, and he's not a damn fool like the one in the movie.
3. If you pay to see the next Sony Spider-Man abortion, you're only depriving yourself of a much-better Spider-Man movie put out by Marvel Studios in the future.
The best thing they can do is make Rhino a small part as someone Spidey beats easily and make Electro the main villain. Norman should become Goblin in the movie but not be the main villain. They could end this movie on Gwen's death setting up the main conflict in the third movie.
I was ambivalent about the new movie before I ever saw it, and not much different after I saw it.
The casting choices for the second one make me wonder if I even want to bother. I mean, I like Jamie Fox enough I can maybe deal with him as Electro, unless he does it comically, but Paul Giamatti as Rhino? This makes no sense any way I try to wrap my head around it.
@kirkbwriter I doubt Rhino will be in the movie for long. He is the kind of character you bring in just for Spidey to beat up to prove that he has gotten stronger since the first movie.
@Rick_Bastardly @kirkbwriter You really think they're going to hire Paul Giamattai, make a big announcement of it and then have him be a glorified cameo?
I don't. But maybe.
Soooooo sick of Osbornes. I think half of why I enjoyed ASM was cos we finally had someone else.
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No one looks like the comic Norman Osborne because nobody over the age of 15 has red and black striped hair.
@cbesrun; Those are called "waves." They're usually seen on Black people though. I guess if y'all can grow dreads, anything is possible.
I still haven't seen the first one and had very little interest in doing so until I found out there was a worse Spiderman, now I'll make a point to catch it on tv, but only because Ultimate Spiderman is worse.
http://www.agonybooth.com/video808_Ultimate_Spider_Man_TV_Series_Review.aspx
@Gallen_Dugall Ultimate Spider-Man has actually gotten better since when it started.
S2 has been pretty good so far.
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Well the Raimi movies waited three movies before overloading on villains...Webb has decided to do it in two. Good for him. So when can we expect another villain casting? Will it be Kraven? Kingpin? or my personal favourite Mysterio.
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@Canadian.Scott I'd expect that Norman will be mostly a cameo this time around. Maybe in a hospital bed or dropping Harry off at school or sitting in an office looking all Evil Chris Cooper.
Did we ever get confirmation that the Rhino is happening?
@rabidronnie @LYT @ComradeDread1 @Canadian.Scott
I still don't understand how they're gonna have the Rhino in this movie, seeing as how he was in the videogame that served as an epilogue, unless they just take that version and use him for the movie. Personally, I'd rather they have Giamatti in-universe be inspired by the Rhino creature, then make his own Rhino suit. I knew that making a bunch of villains in the game into mutated animals was a shitty idea...
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@Canadian.Scott I am concerned about the inclusion of both Electro AND Rhino, but the casting of Norman Osborn doesn't worry me if they do it right (I know, that's a high and lofty hope). They've already foreshadowed him in the first film, they're casting Harry, so it would make sense for his dad to be around. . . as long as they don't rush into his goblinization, he doesn't have to be part of villain overload.
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@rabidronnie @Canadian.Scott True but that is a lot of people to bring in that are villains or will be a villain.
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@ComradeDread1 @Canadian.Scott @rabidronnie O-O ambitious. And possibly insane. But potentially awesome if he pulls it off.
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@Canadian.Scott @rabidronnie I think Webb is doing his best to set up a long term story arc, so he can get the Sinister Six in the final movie.
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@Canadian.Scott @rabidronnie It is. Like I said, I'd be less nervous if Rhino AND Electro weren't on the menu. I feel like the movie could handle one villain tearing up the streets and one slowly transforming into the lead antagonist of the series. TWO wreckers, complete with origin story, plus Osborn, could make it "crowded." I'm trying to be optimistic :\
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What's up with Halle's eyes? I only really noticed in in X1, but she blinks about 10 times every half minute. It was in the Oscar thing, so I bet it's she likes blinking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than normal folks. What's up with that?
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@Kozmik_Pariah Is it morse code? Because that might be a form of subliminal messaging, designed to get America to like her & for Hollywood bigwigs to cast her in more films.
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@SlyDante777 This is worth trying to find out and now I am curious enough to check it out and see...
*X1: when they are devising how to birdplane Magneto Island, in the war room CGI crap thing. Check out her eyes. You can't unsee it!
@Kozmik_Pariah Just a guess - maybe to do the whiteout effect, she had uncomfortable contacts on. Those things suck; I was a zombie once and it was my least favorite thing about it.
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@Kozmik_Pariah And let's not forget her WTF-is-that? accent in the first film which thankfully they drop in the later ones.
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No, YOU used to think Halle Berry was a good actress before Catwoman. I always thought she was crap, as far back as The Flintstones. And a reminder, her horrible performances in X-Men and Die Another Day predated Catwoman.
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@PCabezuelo o.o she was in the Flintstones???
With you on the "not an amazing actor" part, though.
@rabidronnie@PCabezuelo Halle Berry, the hetero man's Keanu.*
* Keanu actually got some good reviews around the time of River's Edge.
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@rabidronnie @PCabezuelo She played the sneaky manipulator slimy dude's assistant.
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@Kozmik_Pariah @rabidronnie @PCabezuelo yes, and I believe she was called Sharon Stone. Get it?? Get it???? Really subtle that Flintstones movie.
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So will he have a duet with his former co-star Kermit on the Spider-man 2 soundtrack of‘It’s not easy being green.”?
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I approve of this casting. I hope they continue to make Osborn as behind-the-scenes spooky as he was in the first one. I honestly thought that was one of the things they did best in that movie--making Osborn legitimately corrupt and evil, obviously pulling the strings, while still making him completely behind the scenes so that all you could do was speculate. Giving him a face could change that, but I'm hoping that you will get to see more of him being the mastermind behind this whole crazy scheme they're setting up.
Please, please, please don't let him be another freaking "misunderstood monster" villain. I'm so sick of those. Make him genuinely a bad guy. It's okay to have those once in a while.
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@rabidronnie That truly is his roots. He was a Spiderman thorn before the Green Goblin and basically a jerk and he should stay a jerk.
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@Someguy @rabidronnie That was one of my complaints about the Raimi trilogy. Every single villain, negative qualities aside, was an innocent victim of some horrible accident that transformed them into a terrible villain and then it filled Parker with angst trying to stop them. Every. Single. One.
Green Goblin--Osborn goes insane experimenting on himself, trying to save his company.
Doc Ock--sentient tentacles take over his brain after his experiment goes wrong, killing his wife.
Sandman--Honest thief trying to take care of his wife or whatever gets trapped in a testing facility, becomes monster.
Hobgoblin--Harry Osborn goes insane with grief over his father's death, misunderstands Spider-Man's role in all of it.
Venom--Eddie Brock, who is admittedly kind of a jerk/cheater, still gets his life completely ruined because symbiotized Parker causes him to lose his job, freaking out about it alone in a church doing absolutely nothing when he's consumed by the symbiote.
It's really okay for bad guys to be bad and have powers and use them to do bad things just because they are bad guys. There are enough moral gray areas in life, we go to fantasy for an escape.
/rant.
@rabidronnie @Someguy Isn't that the way they're suppose to be portrayed, everyone is human in spiderman.
@Kozmik_Pariah @rabidronnie @Someguy Well I usually agree with mine but they usually get me in trouble. Oh wait! You said tentacles.
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@Kozmik_Pariah @rabidronnie @Someguy eh, they made it pretty clear to me that the tentacles were in control. There was the whole "inhibitor chip" thing that theoretically prevented them from taking control of him, and it burned out, and then they were able to influence his thoughts and make him crazy, until the end when Peter's all "there's still some good left inside of you!" and he nobly sacrifices himself to destroy his own invention and save the day. Bleah :P
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@rabidronnie @Someguy I always looked at Osborn as being slimy, and Dr Ock seemed to more or less just 'agree with his tentacles', even though there was all that 'they did it' bit, it was never actually spelled out in the film, just more of an "ohhhh yes" thing lol
