@louieatrest@jonap@Gallen_DugallMaybe it´s a remnant of his 80s action hero days. 

 "Big sweaty men! Big noisy guns! Dozens of people getting beaten and slaughtered–per scene! Entire cities razed to the ground! Liberal wimps beware as simple handguns become judge, jury and executioner!

You would not have wanted to run into any of them while lurking in a dark alley. Especially if you’re a commie-nazi, drug-dealing terrorist leftist cop who’s soft on crime and likes kidnapping/molesting under-aged white girls in said alleys. [...] Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I’d kill myself just to make sure he didn’t hurt me".

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/the-ruthless-guide-to-80s-action/

@jonap @Gallen_Dugall @louieatrest It can be contrived and corny or it can be written as obvious and inevitable that the villan will act in a way that would cause thier own death.

With the Han Solo thing it was clear that he was in danger, and Han had not reached the redemption portion of his story arc yet...by changing this scene Han goes through no personal change, and his character becomes pointless.

It may ring a little false, but in a Die Hard movie, I expect my good guy to always try his best to do the right thing, or it seems a little pointless.

@Gallen_Dugall @James.k.Polk @Someguy @troi @skrag2112 Well, I admit I have no vested interest here.  But I do believe the words "lifetime ban" should mean something.  As far as what a baseball card maker does-- that's neither here nor there.  They aren't an official arm of Major League baseball, so anything they do, or chose not to do, is their own account.

@James.k.Polk @Gallen_Dugall @Someguy @troi @skrag2112 it's one thing to apply a standard evenly - but this is one man who got treated far more harshly than anyone had before or has since, which he accepted, he took his punishment and paid for his "crime", and now they're piling on by trying to expunge his existence from the record, like a jealous Pharaoh chiseling the names of his predecessors off of monuments. 

To my mind this goes beyond "he was bad and should be punished MOAR!" this is "future generations are going to look at what we did and it's pretty obvious we are in the wrong, way  in the wrong. There is no way to justify what we did to this guy and it's pretty obvious we did it for our own selfish interests. We're in too deep to admit we're greedy abusive assholes and ask for forgiveness (we'd be sued into oblivion) so our only option is to start rewriting history so that it never happened."

@Gallen_Dugall @Someguy @James.k.Polk @troi @skrag2112 So now we're going to argue that our standards for conduct cannot change over time.  Surely you're not suggesting that we revert to the moral code of the early 1800's?

@Someguy @James.k.Polk @troi @Gallen_Dugall @skrag2112 also it's worth noting that there are hall of fame inductees that bet on their teams to lose and others that threw the major end of season games for money. That said most of my knowledge of baseball comes from watching the Ken Burns documentary.

a lot of what Rose is getting dumped on for seems excessive, banning from the hall of fame, okay fine - it's a very harsh punishment, but fine he accepted it and was remorseful, let the man move on, but no, now they want to expunge the guy's name from baseball.

@James.k.Polk @troi @Gallen_Dugall @skrag2112 I'm not a sports fan myself (and unlike most people I mean that sentence to remind people that my words should be given little credit not more) I think the problem here is more the selectiveness of the crimes to punishment.  He gambled that his team would win (I think they all should gamble on that.  What your team didn't win?  Here is your minimum wage paycheck for the season)  but since that was against the rules I have no problem with the ban.  Then I see those who fail drug tests return, even though their brand of cheating always affect the outcome of games.  Even if they never use the substances again that body advantage stays with them for a long time (easier to maintain muscle then create it).  They gave him a lifelong ban, and that is their choice, but now to pretend that he didn't exist for accomplishments he did with his own body is re-writing history without mentioning slavery in America.  Yes it is shameful but pretending it never happened is not the way.  Those accomplishments are his.  The shame of breaking the rules are also his.    

@troi @Gallen_Dugall @skrag2112 I don't understand.  He bet on baseball.  It was considered serious enough that he was handed a lifetime ban from baseball.  That seems appropriate to me.

I don't understand this feeling that "because other people got away with something, we can never punish the people we catch."