• Honestly, I watched the animated Trek show, expecting it to be an embarrassment, a total piece of crap. And it was actually quite good. Almost all the original cast members voice their respective characters, and the storylines are really quite good. Even better than some of the live-action show. The one bit the clip shows of Spock knocking over the vulcan boy cames from an episode in which Spock travels back in time to his own childhood and mentors his young self. It was one of the best storylines involving Spock in the entire Trek universe. To be sure, the animation is very cheap, but one can look past that, the show is surprisingly good.

• JJ Abrams may have convinced the public that Star Trek doesn't suck for now, but it will not last.

• @ ZADL: I will agree that there was more logical and credible science in Star Trek when Gene Roddenberry was still at the helm of his creation. Paramount will take this property where it pleases and she doesn't care if it necessarily makes sense to anyone. That's why the more special effects someone can throw at the audience, the less chance they will think about things in the story until two days later after they have walked out of the theater.

• I want the whole new Star Trek movie done this way, then maybe I can ignore the terrible fake science in it (super nova going to blow up an entire galaxy, red matter, being on a planet in a different star system that can watch Vulcan get flushed, such terrible science it seemed like it was written by a creationist). Don't get me wrong, I had fun at the movie, but Jeebus they got all the science so wrong it may as well have been just a big cartoon.

• @ THE PR0F3550R: I agree with you as well. DS9 took a long time to grow on me though. And just when it was getting good, they pulled the plug on it. I was never a fan of Capt Janeway and Voyager, though. Enterprise I loved. It was cool to see the take on the beginnings of Starfleet and the first Captain of the Enterprise and discovering new life. @Carl: Ahhh, Space:1999. I didn't get much of a chance to watch that series. But I do have to admit that that series would be closer in comparison to Star Trek than Star Wars. Thx for the comment. ;-) All good points everyone has here so far.

• That was really good. Star Trek vs. Star Wars? When did this shit happen? I must have missed something. The big rivalry I recall was Star Trek vs. Space: 1999. There was some clear hate that still goes on to this day...

• @darkmagician66699 Kudos. I share your sentiment about both Star Trek and Star Wars. I too have come to appreciate Star Trek for its human interest stories over the childish play of Star Wars. I still love the original trilogy, but for me DS9, the Original series and the animated series kick all kinds of ass.

• @Blill: Good point.

• Yes, I see your point, farm boy is taken by older mentor after the death of his father and goes on journey to be a great Leader. That clearly was Star Wars. Oh also, Superman, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Oedipus, every Kurosawa film, The Iliad, The Matrix, about 16 stories from The Bible, The Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, The Last Starfighter, Shakespeare, wait what were we talking about? It's an archtypical hero story that has been around since Democrates. Star Wars no more invented it than it invented the concepts of good and evil. It's an old argument. Watch "The Hidden Fortress" or "Yojimbo" some time.

• @ Paul B frieling: Actually, now upon thinking what you said. I just took a look at the Countdown 4 issue series again and ya know what? Nero is a disgruntled Romulan who gets pissed because he blames Spock Prime for letting his planet blow to hell. So tit-for-tat, he goes around with his Romulan mining ship (refitted using Borg technology) and decides to blow up Vulcan (of which he is successful) and then chases Spock Prime into the past to get more revenge. I guess that does sound a little like Anakin being a good guy and then turning bad. Nero could very well be compared to Anakin in that sense. I'll give ya a second point as I just offered you a freebie. I'm not a sore loser here. Just a gracious host. Can we compare this debate to Bill Clinton visiting North Korea and getting something out of it, other than a free meal?

• To darkmagician66699: MUCH RESPECT!

• @ Ramone: your comment was "..SO 5 MINUTES AGO" get over man! ps- are you a valley girl?

• @ Paul B Frieling: HA HA! Great stuff on the Youtube vid. I couldn't view the article as spyware is attached to the page and Kaspersky Antivirus (no I don't use GI Joe endorsed Snortin' Anal Virus!)blocked it. Is that a little nasty Star Wars prank on a fellow geek? I can kinda see where they might be coming from on the comparisons of SW and ST reboot. But in actuality, Kirk was always a farmboy, although Pike was before Kirk and never a mentor to him. But the comparisons just aren't that close to me. And they most certainly did not ring bells of Star Wars with me upon seeing the movie. But I will let you have a point in your corner for coming up with the vid. Again, the reboot is a shift in ST's time continuum. If you haven't done so already, I encourage you to read the 4 part mini-series Star Trek:Countdown comic books which are the prequel to the movie. Glad to see we can have a clean fight here without punches below the belt. @ Ramone: It's ok. I like a good debate once in awhile. Keeps things interesting.

• To darkmagician66699: I would love to sit here and type for hours on this, but i am at work and i do have to get some things done here :) BUT! ..these links will sum up my arguments for now: Difference Between Science Fiction and Fantasy- http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art55226.asp Star Trek rips off Star Wars- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0j97RhZUQ I will be back for more later ;) and i do respect your arguments fellow geek friend :)

• @Paul B, are you serious? Most people can find something good about both. The SW vs. ST debate is so 1982. Let it go.

• @ Anonymous: Science fiction, science fantasy, space opera....call it whatever you like. I really could care less for whatever technical term you want to refer to it as. Shall we battle it out on what to call BSG, Stargate, Babylon 5 and a whole host of others while we're at it? As for the Star Trek reboot movie being a ripoff of Star Wars: Really? Please give me something to support your facts on that. Other than the space battles (which are all becoming too frequent in the Star Trek movies along with blowing up each and every Enterprise), I see no correlation. You're gonna have to do better than that to convince me. And I do deny that fact. If you want to be technical, the reboot movie is actually a change in the time continuum. I'm pretty sure Star Wars has never dealt with antimatter or time continuums. It's all based around - in the words of Han Solo - "a hokey religion". What's intellectual about Star Wars? However, I can't deny that Star Wars Episodes 4-6 will always be the best of the bunch and will always have a special place in my heart. I have just lost love for everything Star Wars since getting older. Again my opinion and your opinions. I'm not attacking you and your opinion. I just want to have a friendly debate here and get some supporting arguments.

• To darkmagician66699: First and foremost: Star Wars is NOT science fiction!! Its Space Fantasy at it's finest (other than episode 1-3). I am a fan of Star Trek for your information and was only kidding with the "suck it" comment. However, the new film was clearly a rip off of the ORIGINAL SW franchise, and you cannot deny this fact. I as well hated Episodes 1-3 and think Lucas can also "SUCK IT" these days. he has greatly disappointed me and his own legacy. But thanks anyway for your fatherly advice to fellow geeks. It doesnt change the fact that the original SW films are, and always will be BETTER than any ST film and/or TV show in done the past, present and future. GEORGE LUCAS: SUCK MY BALLS!!!! GEORGE LUCAS 30 years ago: I LOVE YOU MAN! WHERE HAVE YOU GONE?

• Needs more punk rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4cyx81m1c

• @ Paul B frieling: I used to be huge Star Wars fan in the 70's and 80's when I was a kid. But Star Wars is all about action. It wasn't until I got older and understood the "science" in science fiction that made me realize just how much more interesting Star Trek is to me as an adult. The stories make you think rather than being all about the action. There is a human side to each story. And you have to remember that Starfleet has a prime directive to follow. That is not the most exciting thing for everyone. I will admit Star Trek is not for everyone. It's a love/hate thing that people have for both franchises. But I really have switched sides and have had enough of The Force and George Lucas. I absolutely hate the decision that Lucas made in bringing out Episodes 1-3 and think they were all poorly done. To each his own, and you can like what you want. On the other hand, I could be the same way and say SUCK IT DARTH VADER. Or SUCK IT Luke Skywalker or any other names from the Star Wars franchise. But I don't. Just my opinion in answer to your opinion. But have a little decency as a fellow geek and have some respect than to just say SUCK IT! It puts a mark on the rest of your Star Wars fanboys.

• <i>and watch little Spock push over that Vulcan kid for a few days shy of forever.</i> I second this.

• not funny..not entertaining..the new film was good...but not great. all you Trekee's out there... Star Wars is way better than Star Trek and the new film was just a blatant rip-off of SW! SUCK IT James T. Kirk!

• Ok this is the coolest thing I have encountered today. Maybe all week, it has been that kind of week. The animated series has always been insanely under-rated. I really recommend buying the series set if you are at all a fan of TOS.

• I actually own the entire animated series on DIVX. I'm a HUGE fan of Star Trek TOS, so it was just natural that I needed to own the animated series. Believe it or not, sometimes the stories in the animated series were better written than the live action series.

• This is a perfect testament to how good both this cartoon and the new movie are.

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