...but were too neutral to ask. My buddy Agent M turned me on to this awesome chart first passed out by This Is 1 Nation (although who actually made it is unknown to me). I'd say it's pretty perfect, although Indy might be a little Good to be the icon of Lawful Neutral -- although admittedly, that alignment was always a sticky wicket, at least in my gaming group. Of course, no matter what alignment my characters started, they always ended up Chaotic Neutral anyways, like the time I got bored with the campaign and decided to kill every NPC I'd ever met. I made a list and everything. I believe that a Deity had to eventually wish me out of existence. It was a hoot!
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Hey, it's Ubiq from AP! I agree about Luffy, Mihawk, Akainu, and Doflamingo. Not so much on the others, though. Whitebeard is a pirate, so he can't equally qualify as "Lawful". Neutral Good seems more appropriate. Smoker is either Lawful Good or Neutral. I'm still undecided. Blackbeard was Chaotic Neutral until he arrived at Marineford. Now he's straight out Chaotic Evil. Crocodile is practically on his own now, making him True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral.
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I think your fix is wrong, the lion king can't be lawful good and a "robot eye" can not be true neutral.
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Actually, Two-face's bit was that he was constantly teetering on the fulcrum of good and evil. In reality, he wasn't either. He was good intentions with bad methods, and bad intentions with good methods, etc. So he wasn't really good or evil, but rather Chaotic Neutral IMHO.
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Indiana Jones is quite unpredictable and is roguish and free-spirited in his actions, but also is consistently time-after-time a "do-gooder" in deed (if yet a cynic), he's most likely Chaotic Good
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How about Dirty Harry as Lawful Neutral. "It's my job."
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I love how the prequel trilogy had the potential to turn Vader into chaotic evil... but NOOOOOOOOOO
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@ Starman: But he stuck to HIS code (his "Law") and viewed the universe as a place where certain things HAD to happen and he couldn't always interfere, or sometimes didn't care one way or the other (Neutral)... That's where his non-destroy-Dalek-for-all-time stance would be. It wasn't necessarily a GOOD act, but it was one of impartiality because he didn't consider it within his personal power to make such a decision. Lawful doesn't have to be a devotion to established authority. A Lawful Evil villain might break the laws of his land, but adhere strictly to his own moral code.
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Sorry. That should be doomed to extinction. Damned spell-check.
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Oh, and ZeroCorpse? You're on crack if you honestly think the Fourth Doctor was Lawful Neutral. Neutral Good, possibly. Chaotic Good, probably. I lean toward Chaotic since while he preferred working outside of Time Lord and UNIT authority but he wouldn't actively work against them when the greater good was at stake. And he had to be some sort of good to start getting cold feet about destroying the Daleks for all time because he didn't think he had the right to doom an entire species to extension... even the Daleks.
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I did a series on Comic Book Alignment myself. http://looking2dastars.livejournal.com/79144.html Mine are: Lawful Good: Captain America Neutral Good: Batman Chaotic Good: Green Arrow Lawful Neutral: Guardians of the Universe True Neutral: Conan of Cimmeria Chaotic Neutral: John Constantine Lawful Evil: Doctor Doom Neutral Evil: Deadshot Chaotic Evil: The Joker
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I want this on my wall.
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Most of these are bullshit: Locke: Has killed several people. True neutral. Dwight: Chivalrous but I don't know if I'd exactly call him a force for "good". Maybe true neutral. Rorshach: Probably this biggest fuck up on this list. A sociopath with a homicidal obsession with LAW AND ORDER. That's lawful neutral if I ever saw it! Indy: No man who has killed that many Nazis is "neutral" in any sense of the word. As has been said before, he's also a grave robber, therefore not lawful. Neutral good. Nico: Meh. Tyler Durder: Pretty spot on. Vader: Yup. Anton Chirgurh: Sure. Joker: That's a bingo!
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Brilliant! Chaotic neutral and chaotic evil are my favorites.
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My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible this!
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One Piece edition: Lawful Good: Whitebeard Neutral Good: Smoker Chaotic Good: Monkey D. Luffy Lawful Neutral: Bartholomew Kuma True Neutral: Dracule Mihawk Chaotic Neutral: Blackbeard Lawful Evil: Akainu Neutral Evil: Crocodile Chaotic Evil: Donquixote DoFlamingo
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Good illustration that there are colossal assholes in every region of the alignment field. Always remember that good does not equal pleasant and evil does not equal psychotic.
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http://oktobeginwith.com/images/AlignmentPoster.jpg fixed :P the tv show and game characters didn't really fit imo, and some of the others were simply wrong (Indy is NOT lawful, and NOT neutral). :)
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The Doctor Who "Timelords-only" version: Lawful Good: The 5th and 8th Doctor Lawful Neutral: The 3rd and 4th Doctor Lawful Evil: The Valeyard (ie the Nth Doctor) Neutral Good: The 9th Doctor True Neutral: The 7th Doctor Neutral Evil: The Rani Chaotic Good: The 1st, 2nd and 10th Doctor Chaotic Neutral: The 6th Doctor Chaotic Evil: The Master (usually)
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I love our robot superiors, you're making the common mistake of using "Chaotic Evil" as a synonym for "really, really evil", which isn't what it means. Darth Vader, whatever he may have done, was a legally appointed government representative in service of an Emperor elected democratically and legally given all his powers, and did everything evil he did under direct orders from said Emperor. Ergo, Lawful Evil. Chaotic Evil means embracing anarchy, Lawful Evil means embracing the state and fascism.
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@I love our robot superiors said: (( Vader was Chaotic Evil, Anton Cirrugh was Chaotic Neutral. Vader committed one good act in his life--everything else he did was an enormity, from slaughtering the sand people to blowing up a planet full of sentient beings )) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ so AGAIN ,you would put the punisher in the same catagory as LE right along side with anakin ? you really dont see that vader did everything in his power to save padame . ---frank lost his family to crims and slaughterd every badass he comes across because its STREET JUSTICE. because the legal system Failed him when the badguys who did the crime got off scott free . ---Vader lost his family as well as had visions of the <3 of his life losing hers BUT due to Jedi cowardace (monks who wanted him to accept her dying as fate rather than help him seek a solution) he lost her. he found the help he needed in the arms of the Dark. and only continued to do so , even so far as swear alliegance to someone who knew how to save Her. ---vader , we know had abilaties that even palpatine knew nothing about. and the odds are that he probably could have read Palpatine's Vibe / Mind in the end credits , (justly biding his time to strike back at the new Emperor) there is no doubt that if you do things TO SAVE A LOVED ONE that you are a "dark" hero and heros' we all know are capable of redemption . unless your name is "rodimus" , in which case we just give you a razor blade to off your Emo-whiney ASS .(as well as being a FORGETTABLE **Prime**)
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Vader was Chaotic Evil, Anton Cirrugh was Chaotic Neutral. Vader committed one good act in his life--everything else he did was an enormity, from slaughtering the sand people to blowing up a planet full of sentient beings. Anton was the anthropomorphic representation of Nihilism: Absolute destruction and oblivion, gliding through the horror and inanity of life, inescapable and unfeeling. "Redfloyd" is right: Bellic is pure sociopathic Chaotic Evil, who, like Duke Senior, uses excuses to distract himself from the consequences of his actions.
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Yeah, Indy just barely fits there, but it works. Haven't played GTA4 or seen Country For Old Men, though, so maybe I wouldn't know.
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I think Niko Bellic being true neutral is completely wrong. Hes more neutral evil. Anyone who is willing to kill anyone in his path to get his money can't be non-evil. And yes, he does have moments of regret and he wanted to give up killing, but through all of gta 4, Niko kills tons of somewhat innocent people, innocent in regard to Niko at least. Not to mention the police. And yeh, in gta the police are the enemy, but I'm sure the majority of police gunned down by Niko are honest family men who were simply trying to protect the public. Even if he has moments of doubt later, Niko still guns down any and everyone who opposes or gets in the way of his profit, and that is definately evil. Plus, this is a D&D alignment chart, and if I remember correctly, in D&D books any murder committed for any reason other than self defense, or the defense of others, is an evil act.
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Literary Version: Lawful Good: Dr. Watson, "Holmes is brilliant, certainly, and though he is condescending, he solves every crime! Neutral Good: Alice, "I don't want to hurt anyone, but I desperate to escape this strange land! Chaotic Good: Don Quixote, "the windmills are dragons, plotting against us! Lawful Neutral: Porfiry, "you thought you were hallucinating, but I staged everything. I do not care about your motives, you committed murder! True Neutral: The Stranger, "I know things are happening, and many men consider me evil, but why does any of that matter? Chaotic Neutral: Lenny, "I didn't wanna fuck with anyone, I ju' wanna see dose rabbits! She be a dyin' in mah han' it was an accident, ah swe! Please, le's e'cape and find a real life! Lawful Evil: Judge Lawrence Wargrave, "I knew that I had a sacred duty, but I was a sadistic asshole. Those men were criminals, just like the 10 little niggers in my favorite poem. Neutral Evil: The Pardoner, "I am evil, but my actions are lucrative. God may damn me to Hell, but my money will insure a very good life. Chaotic Evil: Duke Senior, "I don't about your shitty complaints! Everything I do is justified, and you have no right to judge it!
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Seems like this is the first time a lot of you have seen one of these. There are tons of these alignment charts out there, and just about all of them can be argued over...but this is one of the worst I've ever seen. Bottom row is fine, Tyler Durden's definitely CN, but thinking Locke is clearly good (though definitely Lawful - I'd vote LN) and that Indy isn't is kind of ridiculous, and to describe Rorschach as Chaotic, or Good, is such an amazing misunderstanding of both the character and the alignment that I'm a little stunned.
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This is the most awesome thing the internet has shown me in years. I think i will frame this.
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Two Face would probably be CN, not CE. He sticks purely to chaos and random determination as a vehicle for his revenge.
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I know I might get my fledgling nerd card revoked for this, but can someone tell me where this whole good/neutral/evil, lawful/chaotic/neutral meme came from? I see individual frames of this featuring a whole host of different characters at random over the nets, and I have no idea where they came from. From the comments, I'm guessing it has to do with some MMORPG put I would really appreciate it if someone would clue me in.
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Indiana Jones is LAWFUL?! I wasn't aware that shooting an attacker in the streets wasn't illegal in whatever country Raiders was set in (Egypt, right?), I'd put him more at Neutral Good. There are other quibbles as well of course, but that was the only one I didn't see mentioned in the comments already.
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I usually go for chaotic good.
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This is why I chuck alignment in my games.
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These are awesome! I'm totally gonna print this out (Using the 10,000$ work copier^^) frame it and act like I bought it! Thanx Undressed Robot!!!!
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I prefer the Batman one (previously linked) but there's a TF2 chart as well: http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/Minorou_/Misc/TF2/tfalignmental3.png
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Tyler Durden is a perfect pick for chaotic neutral. Joker perfect for chaotic evil but I think in the picks were made on ideals not based on actions. Dwayne defended the honor of the ladies and tried to help em out but did it by killing everyone that got in the way. I think half the warriors I ever made went about things the same way. I agree that rorshcack is not chaotic good dude is as crazy and violent as you get but his ideals are chaotic good.
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I have to agree with Tim, it's not great as a chart of alignment. The only ones I agree with is Vader as LE (and even then I'd have used "With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy" as the quote), Tyler Durden and the Joker. I much prefer to use the TV Tropes examples: Lawful Good: Superman Neutral Good: Harry Potter Chaotic Good: Robin Hood Lawful Neutral: Judge Dredd True Neutral: Neutral people from Futurama Chotic Neutral: Jack Sparrow Lawful Evil: Vader Neutral Evil: The Master (Doctor Who) Chotic Evil: Alex (Clockwork Orange)
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JoX, that sounds a lot like being a troll-lover. But yeah, what's the point of fantasy if you can't stab a fool without feeling bad about it?
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@ Toxic IMO I would say lawful neutral. He doesn't pick a side he leaves it up to fate. As for this chart I would own one! Its Skywalking awesome!!! Though I would switch Vader out for someone like Apocolypse, or even the Emperor.
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Rorschach and Dwight as being Good? Yeah, that actually sound like DnD's amusing tendency to define extreme violence as being Good, as long as it's directed toward "undesirable" groups and races ... You're Evil if you stab a holier-than-thou Cleric in the face, but burn a thousand Orcs in the name of freedom and you're Good. Go figure. No, I'm not bitter ... ;-P
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I hate to be the one guy who geeks out, but except for the Evil row, I disagree with this chart a lot. John Locke has murdered several people, one or two of them very cold-bloodedly. He pretty much acts as a force of nature, clear-cut True Neutral. Rorschach is, one, a violent sociopath, and two, obsessed with law and order. Lawful Neutral, pretty much the opposite of what he's listed as. And Indiana Jones is both good and grave robber, making him Chaotic Good, again, nearly the opposite of how they've charted him.
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Wouldn't a guy who flips a coin to see if you will live or die the essence of chaotic evil?
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That's great.
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sorry guys had an issue with windows Vista =/ JAG **EDIT/CORRECTION** ok with this list i have to swap only 2 pics , Neutral Evil and Lawful Evil. on the basis that Anakin / Vader did everything in the name of a loved one . think about it, Frank Castle is doing the same thing as the punisher . . so you would actually throw Punisher and Anakin as LAWFUL Evil ? and a friggin hitman gets Neutral EVIL...☆☆is so confused at this choice☆☆
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Not bad, but I prefer the 9 alignments of Batman. http://tinyurl.com/BatmanAlignment
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ok with this list i have to swap only 2 pics , Neutral Evil and Lawful Evil. on the basis that Anakin / Vader did everything in the name of a loved one . think about it, Frank Castle is doing the same thing as the punisher . . so you would actually throw Punisher and Anakin as Chaotic Evil ? and a friggin hitman gets Chaotic Neutral ...☆☆is so confused at this choice☆☆
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One of the arguments my year head had for kicking me out of school when I was 17 was that I was "chaotic evil", which was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. I'm chaotic neutral.
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I once took a Dungeons and Dragons alignment test. Among my friends, I was the only Lawful Good person. My one friend even came out Neutral Evil.
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Wow, that's pretty clever.
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