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Seriously, there have been over 50 million Bleach manga volumes sold worldwide, more than a million in America alone. Did he not think anyone would notice? Was he planning on no one reading his stupid comic? Did he go to Barnes & Noble and say, "Gee, this silly manga over has 40 fucking volumes for sale here, obviously, no one will notice if I start stealing from it wholesale."? What a fuckhead. He might as well have stolen from Watchmen and created a comic about Evening Owl and New York City, Ph.D.
If you are feeling any sympathy for Nick Simmons at all, I invite you to head here for a massive collection of Bleach panels and Incarnate panels side-by-side; I assure the above was not an isolated incident. And for bonus fun, please head over to the "Calling for legal action against Nick Simmons for plagiarism of other works" fan page or group or whatever it's called over at Facebook, where Nick Simmons himself has joined in! My favorite of his comments, with extra-special bits bolded for your entertainment:
• "Listen everyone... you're all digging your own graves posting on this forum. Facebook is looking into suspending this page and issuing any warnings for slander against me. I can't make this any clearer... I DID NOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK!! I may have appropriated some styles, but I did not steal. My work is full... of homages to everyone in my medium - not theft! You guys are just a bunch of mean spirited mouth-breathers - except all my fans on here who have rightfully supported me. I will ask Facebook not to press any charges against you if you give me a sincere apology here in this thread. Please do so. Facebook keeps all your IP addresses and info... so they will suspend your account if I do not receive proper apologies."
• "Okay.. now looking at some of these photo comparisons, I can see why a few people are up-in-arms. I can tell you right now these are all purely coincidences. I never even heard of Bleach! Who would name a comic after laundry detergent? When I channel my energy when drawing my book sometimes I can pull stuff in that I never seen before. It's like i'm possessed when I start thinking and drawing. Perhaps I just got on the same wave length that all artists share. My dad just called and said I have a real case against all this slander. If Facebook doesn't give into my demands soon there's going to be hell to pay. Now, I have to damage control on another site - more people being mislead. Now I have to deal with this and my book's deadline. I'm not sure how I can think and draw under all this pressure."
• "I have no idea how people are saying my comic looks like that bleach magma. My book is in color and the other is not. My book reads left to right... the other reads right to left. Besides some vague similarities, they're nothing alike. I put my heart and soul into my book - great story and awesome characters... yet people are trying to pull me down. And NO... I didn't trace or copy other peoples work. Most of these photos are starting to look like photoshop manipulations to make me look bad. You can't trust everything you see on the Internet."
Nick Simmons: As big a douchebag as his father, just not nearly as successful. (Via AnimeVice)
Comments
NeverPlayedWoW said:
Dear God, I got through maybe two to three comparison shots and I had to stop, it was so embarrassing I cringed. I'm surprised Nick even showed up on the facebook page,if I was him I would probably off myself from the embarrassment
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:15:23 PM
Little Abigail replied to NeverPlayedWoW:
You all do know that was just someone pretending to be him trolling right?
Posted 02/28/2010 at 09:16:04 PM
Joe Anonymous replied to Little Abigail:
Yeah, I also heard it was not his real account.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 06:03:04 PM
Jason replied to Joe Anonymous:
Those "rebuttals" are far too over the top to have been real. If his father said he "has a case", he's also tell his son not to say a damn thing.
Obvious troll. Frankly this kind of crap doesn't help at all to be honest.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 06:19:48 PM
Evan said:
You know who else gets possessed and channels things they have never seen before when they start drawing?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:16:13 PM
Archer said:
That last quote. Please tell me you made that up. Please. Please don't tell me he actually said that.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:16:16 PM
OnanRulz said:
That is amazing. Oh VIZ, please, please drop the hammer.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:16:25 PM
Callie Ray said:
Nick's NOT A PLAGIRIST! You're blowing this out of proportion! Does anyone at TR know who his parents are?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:16:27 PM
Beretta Paige replied to Callie Ray:
yes...it's in the title head. How does that change anything?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:46:39 PM
Callie Ray replied to Beretta Paige:
That's because Nick's never READ Bleach, so what difference does it make.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 01:23:47 PM
Anonymous replied to Callie Ray:
LOL? so u saying nick never read bleach? so tell me where he got an idea to make someone with spiky hair and large body and a SLASH on an eye? if he didnt watch it, he should of put the slash on the left eye like kubo did
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:10:39 PM
Beretta Paige replied to Callie Ray:
do..you actually expect me to believe that? Seriously?
Posted 02/27/2010 at 07:10:14 AM
Sarah H replied to Callie Ray:
Have you SEEN the comparisons and layovers?
http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/446299.html
Look through that whole thing and THEN see if you can say he's not a plagiarist. If you can, you're as bad a liar as he is.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 08:13:01 PM
wan.wan replied to Sarah H:
bad liar?? if we are, so he is??
ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT??
I mean, even people that doesn't watch BLEACH or HELLSING can notice that IS plagiarist ò-ó
he didn't even try to change a single detail, he just coloured it and put a scar or something ¬¬
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:00:33 PM
wan.wan replied to Sarah H:
"you're as bad liar as he is??"
ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT??
seriously, even people than don't watch BLEACH or HELLSING can notice THIS is called plagiarist
he just coloured it, changed the name and put a scar or something...
is this what YOU call originality??
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:06:14 PM
wan.wan u-u replied to wan.wan:
sorry, i put it 2 times.. internet here's too bad... ¬¬u
and I was really pissed D:
but I think it's plagiarism anyway :)
why do you defend him btw??
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:10:32 PM
oh.humm replied to wan.wan u-u:
Reread who you're responding to, Sarah H wasn't defending him at all, and the person she(?) was responding to was obviously (to me anyway) being sarcastic.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:30:23 PM
Anonymous replied to Anonymous:
Technically, so do I, but that doesn't mean he's not a douche and a plagarist.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:59:05 AM
Ophenix replied to Anonymous:
Looks at these moobs... wouldn't you wanna suck his weewee? :3
Posted 02/26/2010 at 09:45:17 AM
Ophenix replied to Ophenix:
http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/24/92/nick_simmons_070719_06_20copy.0.0.0x0.333x500.jpeg
(forgot the link, sorry)
Posted 02/26/2010 at 09:49:25 AM
Graham Nolen replied to Callie Ray:
I thought it was pretty clear that he was joking.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:33:18 PM
Cory Trego-Erdner (Moai) replied to Callie Ray:
Yes, that was an extremely obvious joke. You people who responded to it with outrage should be embarrassed.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 02:00:56 AM
KevT replied to Cory Trego-Erdner (Moai):
Poe's Law strikes again!
Sarcasm + Internet, always a fun recipe!
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:07:32 AM
Anonymous replied to Callie Ray:
are you effin blind? or just plain stupid. you make me laugh.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:22:02 AM
Jamie replied to Callie Ray:
What difference, exactly, does it make who this dude's parents are? People should be known in life for their OWN accomplishments.
What has Nick done except trace some stuff, flip it, and flatfill colour it? Come on.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 12:10:37 PM
SMITH replied to Callie Ray:
Sucessful trolls are sucessful..
/Nick is a douchebag.. when it's obvious like this .. fucking fess up man.. telling people there's some "mystical" magic drawing reason for the panels being IDENTICAL is the type of idiotic thing that could only be said by a spoiled rich biy whose parents have been providing validation for all his lies growing up by believeing them.. therefore psychologically he REALLY thinks people will believe him
Posted 03/01/2010 at 03:43:26 PM
Zach Miller said:
Wow. "My dad's gonna be so mad, you guys don't even know." Whenever I "borrow" somebody's work for my own nefarious purposes on my blog or in my art, I bash the reader over the head with the fact that I'm basically stealing, and then apologize to the artist who I'm stealing from.
Never had any complaints. Of course, I'm not publishing any work in a real comic or book, either.
I might have to write Nick off on this one. He's funny on the show, but apparantly a jackass in real life.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:17:10 PM
Menshevixen said:
"looks like that bleach magma". Tell me that's [sic]! Jesus H., what a douche canoe.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:18:41 PM
AfterGlow said:
Nick also went on to state that he doesn't read "magma" or watch anime, since "cartoons are for kids".
This is extra funny seeing that he has stated in an interview that his favorite comic is Berserk by Kentaro Miura, he also lists two additional mangakas as his favorite artists on his dA page.
Epic Fail has gotten a new face, and it's not a pretty one.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:18:53 PM
Zombie Awesome replied to Toxi:
His deviantART account is http://www.letsleepinggodslie.deviantart.com
This child is in a world of hurt, I must say. Daddy's money can't save you from everything.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 02:06:09 AM
trickfred said:
This comedy gold. This guy is so disconnected from real life, that it wouldn't even be funny, except, it's totally funny. :D
Expect him to post here very soon, demanding to know "WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS?!?"
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:20:54 PM
Adam E. said:
The guy claiming to be Nick Simmons on Face Book is probably a fake, although the rest is much too true.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:21:34 PM
Brokehart said:
From the school of "I WILL SUE YOU IN INTERNET COURT WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS" we now give you the douchebag son of the douchebag KISS lead singer. This is amazing.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:22:02 PM
Whoever said:
"I never even heard of Bleach!" Dude. I'm a manga virgin and don't have any manga-reading friends, and even I know what fucking Bleach is.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:22:50 PM
Matt replied to Whoever:
Same here. I've never read Bleach, nor have I ever even seen anything past a few sample character images... but even i could've identified immediately that they are more or less a carbon copy from the manga.
I just don't get how anyone can be this stupid and assume he won't be found out?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:34:32 PM
Antipater replied to Matt:
Geez. I fucking hate manga, and am often completely clueless as to what other people like, and even I have heard of Bleach.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 07:13:50 AM
Blech replied to Whoever:
And it's still incredibly impossible for him not to have even heard of it. He's a friggin manga artist so he should at least know of his famous peers. That and he's worked at Adult Swim where they show Bleach and probably one of the top rated shows on there! I hope this goes to court just so everyone can see his lose.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 04:48:35 PM
Kujujuwa replied to The Gerudo Guy:
MOTION PASSED! Any new business?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 12:37:43 AM
Megiddo said:
I agree that the comments are probably from a fake account, but that doesn't make them any less hilarious to read.
Yeah, a world of difference since it's colored and reads left->right instead of left
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:26:33 PM
Sean said:
The line about his being in color and the other being in black and white, and reading left to right vs. right to left reminds me of Vanilla Ice. Back when "Ice Ice Baby" came out a lot of people were up in arms that he sampled "Under Pressure" by Queen and Bowie. And I remember him in an interview saying that his baseline was different because instead of going "dun dun dun dun dun" it actually went "dun dun-dun-dun dun dun dun" and the extra notes made all the difference.
Nick Simmons: Douchemaster Extraordinaire
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:28:30 PM
Dan said:
It is possible to unintentionally plagiarize something by reading/seeing something and then copying it without realizing it. Anyone who tries to write songs will tell you this. But man... those overlays are too close to be unintentional and when someone realizes they have plagiarized something, the reaction is usually the opposite, because bullying gets you no where and doesn't change the law.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:28:39 PM
john replied to Dan:
it happens with art to. it's the age old question whats plagiarism and whats inspiration, by law i think there at least has to be a 30% change to be considered a new work so even though i can't agree with what he did i believe he is quite safe from any legal woes
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:24:20 PM
Kevin replied to john:
A 30% change. Really, how would that be determined. I believe it is 100% likely that you are incorrect.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:56:02 AM
Quezy replied to Kevin:
There's no such thing as 100% original work. No idea is 100% original.
That being said, the least this asshat could do is draw his own work rather than copying it.
Additionally, you can tell from his work that all he's ever done is copy and trace manga and he has no real grounding or technique. You can see in his lack of proportions that he doesn't know the first thing about how faces or bodies are supposed to go together.
It's really quite pathetic. His grasp of facial proportions isn't much better than mine was when I was in middle school. :/
Posted 02/27/2010 at 09:06:39 PM
Arcane replied to Dan:
Jung called this the "Collective Unconscious"
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:48:17 PM
Silent_Rage replied to Arcane:
I call it using tracing paper and switched the colors then calling it "original"
Posted 02/26/2010 at 08:24:02 AM
tray replied to Dan:
No there is a total difference here. You can see they even ripped off minute details like, "there is a shadow across the back of his palm, and another shadow across the back of his thumb" without even attempting to disguise it.
To copy such details you would need to literally be staring at while drawing or straight up tracing. Some images clearly attack the same material from slightly divergant angles, showing that some of them are not straight traces, but even then the small details that are copied persist.
If you were drawing an original, while only using Bleach scenes as an inspiration, one would expect the minute details to be different, and other areas of the scene to change slightly.
Another instance of plagiarism is where a character's pose exactly mirrors the existing manga, and even though some details are different, there are portions of the body that are so unique that they could not possibly have been original. The pose in general, and mood of the panel was the same in the larger sense, and then you will see for instance the very unique position of his clawed hand which looks like a straight trace.
It's not so much that every single panel is just copied verbatim, although there are numerous areas where it appears to have been just that, it's really the totality of the evidence that makes it remarkably clear it has been plagiarized, and goes beyond simple imitation or any sort of fair use.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:16:02 PM
If the guy said, you know " I love Bleach, I'm heavilly invested on it" then you could make the argument he was very inspired in his style. It's a stretch but it could happen. But if he deny's that he knows a Manga so similar just makes him an undefendable client, ripping something off, and then trying to fool people with comeplete lies. Did Gene Simmon's father a sequel to Chris-Chan?
Posted 02/27/2010 at 03:17:15 PM
McQ said:
Theif or not.... I'll always love KISS. but then again this has nothing to do with KISS, and I've never heard of Bleach so I guess I don't care. Yeay me!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:28:56 PM
Laughing Man said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Vague similarities? Wow. This is classic!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:29:03 PM
skikes said:
Wow i'd be a little more forgiving if he actually had some talent and just took inspiriation from certain shots but my god... THIS GUY SUCKS! He's taking good artwork and making it look like... this... ATROCITY! For shame Gene Simmons for producing this cretin! And for shame on whatever piece of shit comic publisher who is letting this get to print! The mind boggles.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:29:28 PM
Monkey boy replied to skikes:
I agree. It wouldn't be so bad if he had any artistic talent, but he is truly awful.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:22:01 PM
Lynnie replied to Monkey boy:
Right? Thank you. I had never heard of his comic or seen any of his other work before this debacle, but goh-lly is his art pedestrian!
There's a glut of talented amateur illustrators and comic book artists on the web looking for a publisher to give them a shot and they handpick this douche nozzle because he's got some name recognition?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:46:53 PM
RunnerX13 said:
AHAHA, funny stuff, but is there really any cause against Simmons? There's a pretty famous, mainstream comic artist who does image rips all the time. Wish I could think of his name right now.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:30:09 PM
RunnerX13 replied to Darth Rachel:
Someone else mentioned hm below, the talentless Rob Leifeld.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 08:57:48 PM
Beretta Paige replied to capybara:
I know Mack uses pictures as reference but I also know he personally takes a lot of them. Also, he has talent.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:59:03 AM
floatdub replied to Beretta Paige:
Yea, artists copying other artist's panels has been around since the Golden Age of comics.
And the gentleman above was correct. It's a very small change that is needed for it to be considered different. I have always heard 10%, but that usually applies to fictional stories.
Whether you like it or not, fair use is pretty broad. Sampling music should be allowed if you can turn it into something else and re-contextualize it. But that's another argument altogether, involving how much the RIAA suck.
ALL art is built upon and based on others work. Like it or not. Copyrighting your stuff ain't gonna hold up in court, except with music. But that will probably change in the next 20 years.
All this doesn't make Simmons any less of a talentless ass, but he wouldn't lose the day in court. Not that it would ever get that far.
Anybody remember NCSoft vs Marvel? Marvel was pissed that City of Heroes allowed people to make "clones" of their famous character for use in the game. Marvel pretty much lost.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 10:12:49 PM
R3MY said:
Well, it would be libel, not slander, since it is in a written form. That being said, defamation is nearly impossible to prosecute, especially against so many individuals.
Luckily for internet trolls everywhere, the law protects individuals against defamation suits if something is stated as opinion, or if the information debated in the best interest of the overall community.
I agree that there is no way the guy on Facebook is really him - his publicist would kill him if it was.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:32:25 PM
Kevin replied to R3MY:
Not to mention that truth is always a defense to defamation. Thus, anyone sued for defamation could produce the bleach and his artwork for the jury or judge to review. I am betting that most people would find it quite similar.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 11:03:30 AM
StrongSad SMAAAAASH replied to Kevin:
truth would be a defense, and even if they could not prove it was truth, the malice requirement would never be met. so, even if any of them could not actually prove truth, they could, using the same images we see on this website, very, very easily show that there was not any knowledge or reckless disregard about it being false.
I know the facebook person is most likely fake, but I wish he would try to sue someone - some attorney would take the case, despite being a sure loser, just to take his money...
Posted 02/27/2010 at 01:40:33 AM
Gasstank said:
I bet Rob Liefeld believes him. Maybe they should start their own douche bag club dedicated to their homages of other peoples art.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:34:36 PM
toxic said:
I guess I don't see what the big deal is.
First of all, while I'm hardly a gigantic comics/manga fan (or any kind of fan at all) I found pretty much all the images from both comics to be highly derivative; every one of them gave me a feeling of deja vu, like I'd seen it a thousand times already from what comics/anime I have seen. You could probably play the "they copied from this" with images from any number of sources. Some of the alleged resemblances on that page are pretty generic; blond anime chicks crying--- I could probably find a Sailor Moon image that I could say bleach copied from.
That aside, I'm not even sure if that is plagiarism. There are differences here; at worst he modified his stuff enough to avoid copyright infringement (I would think). When I was a kid, I tried to write a book that was essentially identical to this book I really liked. Like, I went page by page copying events, but putting it into my own words. Derivative? Yes. Plagiarism? Probably not.
In any case, we've got this weird cultural obsession with originality--- which oddly enough is why we're so busy remaking old properties instead of making new, but quite similar, stories (at least in movies). If Shakespeare were writing today, he would either be the king of remakes, or he would get run out of town for "plagiarism"--- only two or three of his plays weren't bald lifts from pre-existing material. He didn't give a shit about originality, and so gave us some of the greatest original work ever. The question with Incarnate is, originality of the art aside, is it telling a story worth reading? I have no idea either way. If he is telling a story worth reading, then god bless him in his thievery--- it's for a good cause.
Hopefully that made a bit of sense.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:34:50 PM
toxic replied to lewen:
Hah. To my untrained eye it all looks like anime crap to me. Strong resemblance, absolutely. Near plagiarism? Yep. Actual, recall the comic and sue the author plagiarism? Nope, not from what I saw. If, and this is a big if, having never read Incarnate, Incarnate is any good, I don't really care if he was a too derivative in his art.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:03:49 PM
Jeff replied to toxic:
i joined the fan site on facebook and im lookin through all the pictures an most have been superimposed over the other which is stupic because you cant tell if it really is the same.
and alot of the rest is completely different
it looks the same....
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:39:50 PM
It's one thing to do an homage to Jack Kirby, it's another to lift his page layouts and poses wholesale. I think that's what's going on here. Though to be honest, some of the generic anime girl illustrations are a bit of a stretch, I mean there's no originality in the style anymore so it's hard to see who's copying who. Still, it looks like he's lifting an awful lot of stuff, generic anime girl or no.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:00:52 PM
PJ replied to ZADL:
Pretty much my thinking. I'm leaning towards plagiarism, but honestly? Just barely. Some of the images looked like a stretch, and the ones that look unnervingly the same I have that same 'deja vu' feeling of having seen before in pretty much any old anime (that's an exaggeration, but evil villain-y guy screaming? Seen it a million times. Crying chick bent over someone? Yep. Face grab and slam skull into wall? A classic).
I enjoy anime/manga, but am clearly not elitist enough to differentiate the terminology, and I honestly think there's fairly little variation among artists as a whole. So I'm not as appalled by this as a lot of folks seem to be.
But like I said. Some of the details are uncanny, and on that point I concede it looks plagiarized.
Though I'm 85% sure that commenter on Facebook was just a troll. Albeit an impressively committed troll.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:34:00 PM
phoenixphire24 replied to toxic:
I you look at the images on the LJ page, there are clearly pictures where they have been directly copied. Not just derived, line by line copied. As if he'd made a scan and then just added some things over the top. Although anime/manga has a "Japanese style", different mangaka have very different styles. These characters are clearly from Bleach, and it seems there might be some taken from Hellsing and some other popular series as well.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:06:24 PM
toxic replied to phoenixphire24:
I see two or three that are real, real close. But even there I see subtle differences. I'm no art student though. You might be right.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:14:24 PM
Monkey boy replied to toxic:
Subtle differences don't hold up in court. You have to change an image 60% to have a valid claim against copyright infringement. When it's clear somebody just traced the image and added some different elements, but the proportions, pose and perspective are 100% the same, it's hard to defend.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:45:01 PM
Captain Zeep replied to Monkey boy:
re: 60% and some such bullshit. Wrong. Copyright lawsuits can be instigated for any amount, for any reason, anytime. The notion "if I only do "this" I can't be sued, is amusing as hell. Just because you "believe" what you're doing is protected, you can still be sued into a smoking crater.
They're called Slapp lawsuits - bitch slap is more like it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation
For extra fun - investigate lawsuits involving "trade dress".
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:15:47 PM
Monkey boy replied to Captain Zeep:
I never said anything about immunity to suing. Anyone can sue anyone at anytime for anything. I'm talking about having to defend yourself, and the general rule of thumb is that if you can prove a 60% difference, you have a chance incourt. Of course, how do you "prove" a 60% difference? It's vague, but it's a general rule people go by. That said, nick simmons's drawings are not 60% different by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 10:01:35 PM
StormSigma replied to toxic:
I have to admit that I laughed when you said "We have this weird cultural obsession with originality". No, we have a weird cultural obsession with people coming up with their own shit, instead of wholesale copying someone else's shit, and calling it their own.
I know, so WEIRD!
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:29:05 AM
Lynnie replied to toxic:
I'm going to guess you're not an art or a graphic design student, are you? It would take a really, REALLY (really) untrained eye not to notice some alarming similarities.
I bet you're one of those people like Napolean Dynamite who wouldn't know their art was shit if it smelled like something that came from an ass.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:56:20 PM
MoronH8R replied to toxic:
you idiot. a derivative work is copyright infringement - rights belong to the copyright holder. Derivative? Yes. Infringement? Yes, necessarily.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 01:44:14 AM
nathaniel replied to toxic:
You obviously have no understanding of art. If you did it would be totaly obvious, I am an artist and I can see that this is indeed thieft....
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:38:05 AM
Mustafa replied to toxic:
You are right, all mangas look the same.
Could be bleach, could be sailormoon.
Everything looks the same anyway.
Last week i banged a chick, she could be your mom, looks almost the same.
You look a bit like me, i could be your dad.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 02:01:51 PM
Anonymous replied to toxic:
Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 05:28:16 AM
Thank you all for responding appropriately to toxic's original comment. I tried to do so myself on Friday, but it wouldn't take and then I got busy this weekend and forgot about.
The only thing I would add to toxic's misunderstandings (along with art and plagiarism) is Shakespeare. Unless you're an anti-Stratfordian, Shakespeare wasn't a plagiarist.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 11:31:38 AM
Supermarioman said:
Easily worthy of a WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:37:34 PM
morriskode said:
i doubt that it's the real nick posting responses (god i hope it's not him. nobody can be that big a tool, right? not even the spawn of gene simmons, right? please?), but regardless that's just fucking awful. did he just get a pencils set and a pad of tracing paper for his birthday and decide to make a comic?!?
i've got this great idea for a book about an alien from the planet krypton who comes to earth as a baby. as a child his parents are gunned down in front of him and he makes a vow to avenge them and begins training. when he's sixteen he's bitten by a radioactive spider and gain all of it's strengths. after graduating college and becoming a blind lawyer he uses all of the resources of his weapons manufacturing company to build a suit of armour to escape his terrorist captors and becomes the greatest superhero the world has ever know: mickey mouse!
anyone interested? peter kriss, i'm looking at you.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:38:05 PM
Boredlizzie replied to morriskode:
SuperBatSpiderDevilMouse? I love that guy!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:45:29 PM
Boredlizzie replied to Boredlizzie:
Actually, that ought to be SuperBatSpiderDevilIRONMouse! My bad. Take note kids: if you're going to plagiarize, pay attention to what you are doing.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:25:24 PM
Cougar78 said:
The best part is his idiotic defense:
My book is in color and the other is not. My book reads left to right... the other reads right to left
Of course they will be opposite on reading them because Bleach! is Manga from Japan and his shitty imitation is produced in the US.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:38:19 PM
The Man With Two Brains said:
By the way, Gene Simmons is a bassist, not a guitarist. He's still a douchebag, of course, and his son's an even bigger one, but I just wanted to correct that error.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:38:48 PM
Jamie replied to The Man With Two Brains:
technically it is a bass guitar, so saying guitarist isn't wrong.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:59:03 PM
dani replied to Jamie:
Saying bass guitarist would be most correct, technically. They are still pretty different instruments, and the word 'guitarist' is used to describe a player of a guitar.
It's like calling an alto singer a tenor because they both use their voices.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:24:23 PM
Kevin replied to dani:
No you are wrong. It is like calling an alto and a tenor singers as they are both singers. It just so happens that they are a different subset of singers, just as a bass guitar and guitar are subsets of "guitars". It is only confusing because a set and subset have the same common name.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 11:08:05 AM
Lay replied to The Man With Two Brains:
beat me too it. He's also not technically the lead singer as someone else said -- though he does sing lead on certain songs.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:08:21 PM
MrWorkrate said:
Look. Me and the McDonald's people got this little misunderstanding. See, they're McDonald's. I'm McDowell's. They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:40:26 PM
Whoever replied to MrWorkrate:
I immediately got that reference. And now I'm sad.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:43:30 PM
morriskode replied to MrWorkrate:
you sir, are my new best friend.
congrats!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:44:32 PM
AfterGlow replied to MrWorkrate:
Extra cred for Coming to America quote.
That movie rules.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:45:36 PM
aphthakid replied to MrWorkrate:
The irony, of course, is that Eddie Murphy's studio was sued for stealing the idea for "Coming To America" and lost.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:43:09 PM
Das Shagz said:
Anyone else notice that his wild bleating about getting everyone's facebook accounts suspended seems oddly similar to one certain Brickhousebunny?
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:45:22 PM
zukuss said:
I think I'll do a little plagiarizing of my own:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:47:49 PM
Bungholio said:
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS indeed.
I think we just found out who Brickhousebunny really is.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:51:54 PM
Nick Simmons said:
Everyone here is in trouble now, I just sent a message to my dad's lawyers and if this site doesn't delete all traces of this story or if anyone here doesn't get rid of this little joke they've made out of this story in three days, everyone here will be just like I've warned everyone else here like before, don't bother trying to lie to courts to save your own skins because the law is on my side and there's nothing you can do about it, they've already found out who Rob Bricken is and they're on my side as we speak, they agreed in three days time everyone here will be sued if the big boss behind all this doesn't get rid of all traces of this little joke they've posted, this is your last warning, I've warned you all but you didn't listen, deleting any evidance won't do you any good either, I've shown every piece of evidance to dad's lawyers and it's all over for everyone here and Rob Bricken, if everyone here doesn't follow the warning and get rid of this in three days, than judgement day will come for everyone here and Rob Bricken, even if you had nothing to do with it, I don't care and the judges agree with me, you have three days and if this isn't gone when I get back, the lawyers will sue everyone here, even making all the bad comments won't do you any good. You all have three days or else.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:52:16 PM
Hyuri replied to Nick Simmons:
Well played sir.
That post on FB smells awfully fishy, like TR reader attempt a WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS under Nick Simmons on FB
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:01:53 PM
FadR replied to Nick Simmons:
This aint comedy gold, this is comedy Adamantium!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:05:36 PM
passive aggressive replied to Nick Simmons:
And how old are you, exactly? I'm thinking 5.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:35:18 PM
toplessnerd replied to Nick Simmons:
WIN for the whose brickhousebunny ref
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:47:35 PM
RubyRoses replied to toplessnerd:
I feel the reference has been lost on some people...oh no.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:11:15 PM
Boredlizzie replied to Nick Simmons:
Now, you are an adorable little treasure- troll! Why can't we have more like you? You should work on shorter, angrier replies though, if you really want to sound sincere.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:51:52 PM
Zortt1 replied to Nick Simmons:
*slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
IMHO....I don't care.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:58:39 PM
Dayne Chastant replied to Nick Simmons:
Well, Nick, you want an apology? I think I speak for most of the people here at TR when I say, from the heart:
Nick Simmons, I am truly sorry...that you are a talentless hack.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 01:18:36 AM
rickicker replied to Nick Simmons:
BAWWWWWW BAWWWWWWW BAWWWWWWWWW my daddy's gonna kick your ass BAWWWWW BAWWWWWW BAWWWWWWWWWW
hey "nick", d'ya suck his cock too? >:3
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:28:01 AM
cainist replied to Nick Simmons:
Love the BHB reference, but the grammar is waaaay to good to be believable, apart from the fact that it's one big sentence. next time, try misspelling a couple words, maybe throw in some references that make no sense, that should do the trick.
oh, and +10000
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:02:41 AM
Spazweez replied to Nick Simmons:
The only thing better than this response are the people who have no clue about the reference replying in the comments as if it's either (a) Simmons himself or (b) a troll, instead of recognizing that it's actually (c) a genius TR fan Whose Responsible This.
Golf clap for you, sir or madam.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 07:13:26 AM
Ezelix replied to Nick Simmons:
Well then, thanks for telling your lawyers! If they are sane, over the age of two and have functional eyes, they'll turn right around and sue you themselves!
Go cry to your daddy, douchebag.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 01:45:53 PM
GhosX9 replied to Nick Simmons:
Last time I checked we the citizens of The United States have something called free speech and it is our right to exercise that, and any court would down right throw your case against the people on this forum as suppressing free speech, so kiss my ass you plagerizing fucktard
Posted 05/05/2010 at 06:30:07 PM
tvtastegood said:
I would bet it is Nick on FB only because he is an arrogant douche like his Dad. He wouldn't listen to his publicist if his name was being shit on he is too the awesome for that.
His Dad would try and sue a bunch of faceless people on the internet too because he's a flaming bag of pretenious douche, they have no souls or understanding of how the real world works they have too much money for the conventional rules to apply.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 04:59:04 PM
Sonya said:
I hope it's Nick on Facebook. It would just take the funny to the next level.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:16:59 PM
Kim said:
If you go to the FB group, it looks like the guy posting those things was actually a troll, not the real Nick Simmons.
The blatant plagiarism is sickening, though.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:19:07 PM
Ted said:
Gene Simmons is no douchebag! That is blasphemy. If his kid copied from the other book like it appears, then he is the douche. Thank you.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:20:54 PM
karisma replied to Ted:
As a life-long KISS fan, I have to say... yeah, Gene's a money-grubbing douche. It's come out more blatantly in recent years, but he does bear the Mark of the Douche. It's like the Number of the Beast, only more pitiful.
And speaking of pitiful, I'm not an anime fan on any level... but wow. He wasn't even trying to hide it very well.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:23:44 PM
Rocco said:
I remember Littlekuriboh posted a link to a TV show about the Simmons family, where Nick's friend had a Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged T-Shirt and Nick quoted Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series.. So I know he watches anime based parodies.. How does one learn to draw in an anime/manga style if they don't like it anyway?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:23:15 PM
Elan' Rodger Trinidad said:
He's just digging himself into a big hole.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:26:29 PM
R3loy said:
I can't wait to here Nick's side of the story in his upcoming interview on Fresh Air.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:28:13 PM
kevin n. said:
It's one thing when a "professional artist" pulls out the old light box and just traces his way to his deadlines, somehow because this involves a quasi-celeb it feels 1000x worse.
I'd be surprised if Nick even did the rip off drawings. He's probably outsourced all his work Pat Lee style.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:28:42 PM
Lo Pan said:
Hey guys! I got this awesome new idea for a website! Its called "Shirtless Android" and its gonna be great! We're gonna talk about lotsa cool dorky stuff AND its gonna read from bottom to top! Cmon yous! Wooooohoooooo hOOhh!!!!!
Daddy!?!?! Daddy they dont like my ideas. Waaaaah. *farts*
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:34:53 PM
Amanduh said:
I would agree that it’s incredibly hard for something to be “100% original”, however you want to define original. Artists and writers are influenced by other works they liked, and there are only so many poses you can draw and evil laughs you can imitate.
But in that side-by-side example, Nick’s work looks like he laid a piece of paper over the “Bleach” panel and traced it and added a couple of different flourishes. In other words, it looks like what we did when we were 10, and desperately wanted to be an awesome artist like that but our drawing skills hadn’t progressed beyond stick figures, so we traced professional artists’ illustrations and colored them in and called it “our” art. Which is, frankly, a far sadder thing to think about him, than to think that he’s just a stealing douchebag.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:44:07 PM
Arsenal said:
Well at least I know where that picture of a white hair kenpatchi was from, has been bugging me since the first time I saw it.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:45:02 PM
Video Hero said:
I jerked off to his mom in "A Woman Scorned" so many times it's not funny.
Now times that by a million or four.
This kid has a right to be messed up.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:05:18 PM
Jeff said:
Gene isnt a douche, he keeps his kids in line better then crazy old Ozzy. Hes a whore for money but his son is definitely a douche.
How could he be doin a manga comic an never have heard of Bleach? I hate manga except for Streetfighter an Akira and even Ive heard of Bleach. But I do have to say one thing. All Manga LOOKS the Same! Thats how its so easy for people to draw. Its the lazy mans way of drawing.
I think Im goin to join that Facebook page because Nick thinks he can sue people
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:15:16 PM
Steve Harrison said:
Couple of things:
1. I fully expect to see Hitler ranting about this (pro and con!) by the middle of next week.
2. What if, just work with me a moment, what if, TECHNICALLY, Nick Simmons is being truthful and he DIDN'T copy the panels from Bleach...because someone else is 'ghosting' the art and he's just putting his name on it?
It's all just sad.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:15:30 PM
Jeff said:
How could he Not have read "Magma" his comics ARE Magna
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:19:18 PM
Jeff said:
You should use this picture an put Whos responsible This?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:20:36 PM
Jeff said:
He said on the facebook page, that he doesnt know why hes bein persecuted no trial or jury "Story of my life" Ive watched Family jewels an hes a prissy whiny bitch.
even at college when the guys he was stayin with were excited to have genes son there an he acted like he was royalty an got his dad to rescue him
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:23:57 PM
Name said:
So many comments. I didn't read them all, so I apologize if this has already been said... I'll bet there won't be any real statements from Nick Simmons (or anyone else in the family) until after there's an episode of "Family Jewels" about it.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:29:54 PM
moonbunnychan said:
When I saw the first pic, my first thoughts were, give the guy a break...similar poses can happen and maybe it's even an homage. But then I saw the next pic...and the next one...and the next one...and...well. Ya.
Then I read his responses and it utterly removed whatever shred of sympathy I may have had. Especially since he made it a point to make sure it was known it was his daddy that he consulted to ship in the lawyers.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:35:37 PM
Jeff said:
was tryin to say they look the same... because all manga is the SAME
alot of those pictures on facebook are completely different. when he carbon copies an exact pose THATS plagarism
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:45:48 PM
Kevin said:
Gene plays bass. Ace Frehley was the guitarist. Geez. You call yourself a nerd.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:48:07 PM
Ubiq said:
Honestly, I could care less about him ripping off Bleach (especially since Kubo seems to find it hilarious), but the son of a bitch apparently also traced Crocodile and stealing from Oda is going too far.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 06:52:04 PM
Third Impact said:
That's horrible.
Someone willingly had sex with Gene Simmons and gave birth to his child?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:31:32 PM
rickicker replied to Third Impact:
-reads court log- maybe not willingly...but then again, nobody mentioned it was a HUMAN child the lady gave birth to >:3
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:40:21 AM
demoncat said:
it should be noted when this story first broke that Nick might have borrowed some from Vampire hunter d also not just Bleach for as much as Nick if it is him on face book says he was homaging the panels in question . could be he might have been getting most of his influence from the sources he is suppose to have stolen from . for RAdical comics will find the truth of the matter. after all Nick seems to be have been found guilty already without having a fair right to defend his actions before gene winds up sueing to help his son.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:35:09 PM
King in Yellow said:
According to the link to Bleachness above, the publishers announced just today that they are suspending production while they check this out...ouch.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:35:13 PM
laurie b. said:
Hey thanks for spreading the news! I was worried that TR wouldn't blog about this, especially after the recent Bleach Top Ten list seemed... unpopular. At least in some of the comments.
But plagiarism is plagiarism, and one doesn't need to be a Bleach fan, or even a manga fan, to get riled up by this douchebaggery.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:44:47 PM
M. Scan said:
"Evening Owl and New York City, Ph.D."
Finally! We have names for Earth-Two Watchmen!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:50:42 PM
Jonny Muerte said:
WOW... Just wow. Search for images of this piece of shit rip-off of a comic and tell me he doesn't also steal panels from Helsing.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 07:57:35 PM
Scott replied to Jonny Muerte:
Yeah, honestly, I'm seeing much more Hellsing than Bleach.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 08:51:21 PM
Billy Joe said:
What would you expect from a son of a psycho, hell spawn, deamon like Gene? Are we surprised?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 08:22:52 PM
skyhack said:
His old man's stuff was derivative and shallow, Nick's just taking the next logical step by stealing others' material outright!
Seriously, this guy should pay up or get jail time. Never heard of bleach? It's right there, Nick, under your bed, next to your porn manga!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 08:41:26 PM
Aaron said:
Some of the possible examples of plagiarism were a little far-fetched and the similarity was loose at best. Other possible examples however were eerily similar. Similar enough to justify legal action? Unlikely.
Also, please change this post to say Gene Simmons plays bass. Just...please.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:05:55 PM
Guest said:
This is appalling! What an unoriginal douche! He clearly knows nothing about comic art if the best he can come up with is "DUR MY COMIC READS THIS WAY AND IS IN COLOR"
Okay, dumbass. But your characters, the events going on, the panels, panel placement, balloon placement, etc etc etc nearly everything else is identical! What a pillock!!
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:15:55 PM
Talisman said:
1 image: "Okay, it's similar; big deal."
2-5 images: "Well, he was clearly inspired by Bleach...but that's not necessarily the same as plagiarizing it..."
6+ images: "Damn thieving bastard!"
I could overlook any one or two of those, especially the general look of the characters, since the human body has a finite number of variations and coincidence/subconscious memory *does* happen. The sheer number of virtually IDENTICAL characters, poses, and chunks of dialog shoots that theory all to hell.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:37:34 PM
Barry said:
*Fictional account of Nick Simmons' "creative process" for penning his "original" manga*
"Pheh! Bleach! The fuck is a Bleach! I can make a better manga than this! I got my trace-paper! I got my pencils and crayolas! LET'S DO THIS! LEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYYYY JENKIIIIINS"
*end scene*
Posted 02/25/2010 at 10:08:51 PM
Greg said:
Where is the Hitler rant about this? I want it now.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 10:47:46 PM
Xenos said:
Yeah, it's now being reported that the Nick Simmons on Facebook is a fake, so that's probably the one thing we can't blame on him.
Funny thing, I've been following this story for months, since it first came out. I posted on ANN, CBR, and Bleeding Cool about similarities to Hellsing. Someone commented about the blond character Shinji from Bleach from preview shots online. Then I guess the story gestated and then exploded out of the womb last night. Good for all the Bleach fans that caught it and got specific details. I could only find general comparisons to Hellsing. Though I rather like to think I helped fan the flames of justice. Yes, face the FAN OF JUSTICE! (outrageous)
Posted 02/25/2010 at 10:56:03 PM
coughman said:
you know id be willing to ignore this if it was just some small scale DeviantArt grade theft, then we could just leave this to EncyclopediaDramatica as just another load of crap but involving a semi-famous person
but no, what really irks me is that HES SELLING THIS CRAP, shouldnt his dad, being part of an artistic genre, have told him at somepoint about how much of a dick move that theft is?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:19:09 PM
Em M. replied to coughman:
Agreed. As cheesy as this is gonna sound, this little bitch is trying to sell this crap as an original idea, and that's one hell of a bitchslap in the face to everyone who's actually doing their own work out there.
And I know not everyone reads manga, but there are distinct differences in style, just like in any other art form. It's just the kind that most people who don't really read manga see tends to have shitty generic art. What's more, not even generic anime style excuses that many similarities.
/endrighteousness
Posted 02/26/2010 at 01:31:03 AM
Lynnie replied to Em M. :
This is true. I realize that, to some, all anime/manga looks alike. But in reality there are differences, both subtle and drastic, between illustrators.
As some who reads an ungodly amount of manga and knows a fair bit about art and illustration, I really enjoy picking apart a mangaka's style (I could go on and on about Oh!Great and how I love his angles and when I found out he was doing a manga about rollerblading IN THE AIR, I was verklempt...) It would be one thing if he simply designed his characters in the style of Tite Kubo (which he obviously did, Tite Kubo draws some of the more distinct characters out there,) But that is some straight up copying (maybe not paper-over-paper, but certainly side-by-side.)
Anyway, I have seen mangaka accused of plagiarism for less and this, trust me, is plagiarism.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 07:31:37 PM
Ad said:
Eh. Manga tends to run together for me anyway, so one looking like another really isn't anything new for me.
Really, the only bit of note are his responses, much like Todd Goldman did a few years back.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:29:58 PM
Boredlizzie said:
Tracing: it didn't work for Liefeld and it doesn't work for Nick Simmons. No one is fooled. Besides plagiarism, Simmons' crime is underestimating the intelligence and judgment of anyone with a functioning set of eyes and a brain. Does he truly think the comic-reading community is THAT stupid?
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:53:43 PM
Asat said:
Dude, rule #1 of being a liar: DON'T be a liar if you aren't good at it already. By the time you get good at it, everyone already knows you're full of shit. Admit you swiped, apologize, promise you will stop insulting the intelligence of everyone, and maybe you can salvage some sort of life.
Or, you know, convince yourself that you're NOT a thief and then spend the rest of your life hanging around only people who'll you'll never know whether they really believe you or are just playing along. Which is exactly the punishment every plagiarist gets.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 12:27:08 AM
☆☆☆ JaganaR ☆☆☆ said:
actually BOREDLIZZIE , i can answer that .
his music sucks, he is a lousy actor , and considering he is THE SON OF *blah blah blah*
he has to live up to the "legacy" of daddy. have not cared about the GENE tvshow or his son's music career so if i am peeked ill download the music for a laff or listen to when i drink ^__^
the only person who did this well was Miley Cyrus and she is overshadowing daddy.
this loser , is and WILL end up as a bad joke in musical history and a signifigant TYPO in the world of ART .
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Simmons' crime is underestimating the intelligence and judgment of anyone with a functioning set of eyes and a brain. Does he truly think the comic-reading community is THAT stupid?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 12:32:28 AM
darthmalevol replied to ☆☆☆ JaganaR ☆☆☆:
That was really hard to read.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:53:40 PM
skwiself said:
Anyone pontificating like a retard about how this isn't plagiarism is either a tool or doesn't know the definition of plagiarism. Hey toxic or whoever here's a hint: if you copy a goddamn book SCENE FOR SCENE PLOT POINT FOR PLOT POINT but "write it in your own words" IT'S STILL PLAGIARISM. So is this. Fuckin duh.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 01:22:22 AM
theBRUCE said:
hmmm his "they're different because" reminds me of when Vanilla Ice was saying that Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby didn't sound the same because of an Itty Bitty Ting
Posted 02/26/2010 at 02:06:08 AM
Christwriter said:
... damn. I'm an artist who doesn't quite go all foam-at-the-mouth at the thought of being plagerized (mostly 'cause I suck and plagerizing me would be like stealing candy from a baby with H1N1) and this is almost as mind-breaking as Fan Fiction Friday. (depends on the friday)
The one that got me was not the ripping of manga pages (that's bad enough) but the ripping of some kid's fan art. The ripping of a piece of fan art whose anatomy, to put it mildly, sucks monkey balls.
Art style=unappealing. I think that's why I never read Bleach, either.
Oh, well. Greg Land traces porn, and gets paid for it. At least the bleach rip off doesn't have porn face.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 02:18:03 AM
Kate said:
wow, this is really sad for him. most people may not know what Bleach is, but they've heard of it. "Who would name a comic after laundry detergent?" umm, it's a subtle reference to when you put bleach on black it turns orange like Ichigo's hair (or at least that's the conclusion i've come to).
never liked his dad, so now i have a reason to not like his son. how can someone be so stupid. now, i have ideas for stories and i'd like my art to look like a certain style but not a rip off-stealing pics of Edward Elric from Full Metal Alchemist for a vampire story of mine.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 02:48:39 AM
FFF!FFF! said:
Alright look everyone, I think we all know what needs to happen here. All the characters from Bleach and Nick Simmons in a FFF to rival the deepest darkest stories of our time. I mean, at least we know he won't plagiarize it...unless it makes money...
I can almost smell the anal ripping...
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:20:25 AM
Tom said:
Well...I have to be honest with you that I don't find him copying stuff that big a deal. I mean you cannot really say that copying character designs, plot points, and frame layouts is wrong, since there are only so many character archetypes, plot points, or even how a fight sequence plays out. What really annoys me is the fact that he is not a very good artist. He doesn't have the skill to pull a well drawn ripoff, and yet he copies the works of an artist who not only draws better than he does, but also has a much much larger reader base. But here we see that his works' getting published for money because, well, his dad's Gene Simmons, while good artists out there with original works can't because they are not "mainstream" enough.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:36:36 AM
Foozlewrap said:
Heh... The douche apparently has a DeviantArt account.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:50:39 AM
Foozlewrap replied to Foozlewrap:
And in one of his DevArt journals, he states the following:
"If you steal my artwork, you will pay. In cash.
Spank you very much and good night."
http://letsleepinggodslie.deviantart.com/journal/19856340/#comments
Irony? Stupidity? I'm really not sure, but it certainly is funny. Apparently the LJ impersonator hit him right on the head in terms of idiocy.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:07:21 AM
Beretta Paige replied to Foozlewrap:
did...did..did he just seriously plagiarize Niel Gaiman's Morpheus and post it on his DeviantArt account?!? What is this I don't even
Posted 02/27/2010 at 07:09:19 AM
Aludra Major replied to Foozlewrap:
He has a dA account...dude people are bad at dA for catchin tracers and art stealers. Probably not a good move on his part.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 04:12:06 AM
Anonymous said:
Technically, so do I, but that doesn't mean he's not a douche and a plagarist.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 07:00:12 AM
F said:
You really don´t get it, do you? He´s possessed when he´s drawing those shit comics he draws.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 07:18:48 AM
Baltimoron said:
The real shame in all of this is that Nick has potentially exposed a small comics company to liability for any damages Viz and/or Shonen Jump may seek to claim.
Radical mostly prints crap, but having a number of indie publishers keeps the medium vital and Rick Remender's "The Last Days of American Crime" is shaping up to be pretty cool.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 08:25:14 AM
NameofRain replied to 喔~吼~:
According to WorldLingo's translation:
The reference refers
is not at the worst matter
acknowledged such has not been concerned about face-saving on good
~ does any to force ~
Great, now we need an Engrish translation. Any takers?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:29:41 PM
Anonymous replied to NameofRain:
參考就參考嗎
又不是什麼大不了的事情
承認不就好了~
這麼愛面子幹什麼勒~
means
copy then copy, its not a big issue; as long as he admits, its okay. how can you force someone to save face?
something like that
Posted 02/28/2010 at 12:43:24 PM
GeekFury said:
I don't know whats funnier, and lets be honest here, the blatent plagiarisim, the fact he's saying it's all 100% his own work or the fact this story has been around for what? A day or so? And it's kicked up THIS much of a stink.
Kudos Nick, kudos, you've given me something to laugh my ass off with for today, so much so that I think I will be needing an ass-transplant!
Posted 02/26/2010 at 09:08:56 AM
BLEACHFTW said:
That bastard is a huge balloon sack of fart. AND DUDE, WHY WOULD ANYONE READ A SUCKY MANGA LIKE YOURS? AND IF YOU'RE DRAWING MANGA, PLEASE FUCKING RESPECT MANGA. IT'S M-A-N-G-A. MAGMA MY ASS. YOU'RE AN INSULT TO MANGA. PLEASE DO NOT EVER TOUCH IT WITH YOUR DAMNED PLAGIARISING DIRTY HANDS AGAIN. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING TALENT. ADMIT IT. YOUR DRAWING'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE KUBO-SENSEI'S. YOU REALISE I CALL KUBO-SENSEI 'SENSEI' AND NOT YOU. BECAUSE YOU ARE A PLAGIARISING SUCKBAG.
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WILL THINK PEOPLE WILL FALL FOR THESE STUPID EXCUSES. AND WHAT PRESSURE DO YOU HAVE WHEN ALL YOU DO IS COPYING OTHERS' WORK. KUBO-SENSEI'S WORK HAS NO COLOUR BECAUSE HE DOESN'T NEED COLOURS TO BE AWESOME. AND YOURS, EVEN IF YOU GLAM IT UP WITH WHATEVER SHIT YOU HAVE IT'S STILL NOWHERE NEAR KUBO-SENSEI'S STANDARDS.
SERIOUSLY. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO MANGA. GET YOUR DIRTY HANDS OFF IT NOW.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:54:54 AM
honkhonk said:
The "Nick Simmons" poster on Facebook wasn't actually him. It was an anonymous troll.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 11:25:40 AM
Waltz said:
For anyone who doubts this is plagiarism: http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff330/Kylara21/plag/kenpachii.png
Posted 02/26/2010 at 01:15:44 PM
Anonymoose said:
Oh God, I lol'd. Kubo Tite is such a good sport about the whole thing, he seems more interested in the fact that Gene Simmon's son copied his work.
It is very obviously plagiarism, the art styles are way too similar to just be "inspired." When the only difference between characters from difference is hair color and a few additional scars, it's blatantly obvious.
I call troll on the Nick Simmons Facebook though. I don't believe for even one second that was the real Nick Simmons. No one would be stupid enough to make the only notable difference being "mine's in color!" and "mine is read from right to left!" Not even Nick Simmons.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 02:16:52 PM
☆☆☆ JaganaR ☆☆☆ replied to Anonymoose:
yo moose, does that include paris hilton or ole bush junior ?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:35:51 PM
lolz replied to Anonymoose:
well, he was stupid enough to rip off most of the content for his crappy comic, thinking no one would notice...
Posted 02/27/2010 at 02:07:52 PM
wotness said:
This thinks me of Takashima Kazusa vs. Kayono. Kayono is a smut mangaka and Takashima is mainly a yaoi/shounen-ai mangaka.
Kayono had plagiarized Takashima and apparantly some ads (http://kayono_kenshou.at.infoseek.co.jp/kenshougazou.html).
Takashima sued her, as any artist would do. However Kayono has influental parents (I read somewhere they are famous mangaka). Her mother claimed in court that her daughter does not read the boys love genre, so could not copy it. The overall picture was that Kayono's mother did all she could to discredit Takashima's claim.
In a only-in-Japan twist, Takashima was the one who was punished: she was banned from doing her work for 2 years. Takashima was not allowed to continue, finish, or create any manga of any genre. Apparantly Kayono's mother pressured Takashima's publishers. Kayono got away with it, thanks to mommy.
Calvin Klein wanted to sue Kayono as well, for plagiarizing their ads. But apparantly, they never did.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:54:55 PM
Ada replied to wotness:
OMG! Is that what happen?! I love Takashima's works (especially Harlem's beat) nooo I'm more sad to learn she can't do anything for 2 years then the whole Gene copied Bleach crap.
But at least Takashima's Harlem's Beat is licensed here and brought a copy :)
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:10:38 PM
Marisa Mockery said:
...Wow. Nice, Nick. Why not just go to art school and learn how to do panel composition the right way? It's not like Daddy can't afford it.
This makes me laugh even more because as a typesetter in a translation group, we drop any manga we work on the second it gets licensed for fear of the translating company coming after us--even if we've worked on the series for years. To invite danger like this....oh, my. This is such a beautiful example of human stupidity and arrogance that it ought to be stuffed, mounted, and shown at the Natural History Museum next to the dead tigers.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:09:25 PM
Zann replied to Marisa Mockery:
I believe next to the dead leeches might be more appropriate?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:41:26 PM
screwdelicacy said:
What. An. Idiot.
My husband has never read Manga or a comic book or anything similar in his LIFE, and he knows what Bleach is.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:51:11 PM
Skrattybones said:
So since he changes a few details is he safe from being sued? Take a look at the soon-to-be-released movie Repo Men versus the released-a-while-ago Repo! The Genetic Opera. Repo Men's entire concept is lifted from the latter, but they are safe from lawsuit because they didn't take exact copies of material.
Does that same logic apply here, where Nick's big scary dude has different hair, a longer face and a different weapon?
Posted 02/26/2010 at 04:55:26 PM
SpecterM91 replied to Skrattybones:
Isn't Repo Men based on a book? I mean, it may've come out after Repo!, but I dunno.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 12:11:07 AM
Gmoney said:
wow, guess you would have fit right in at OTIS Nick.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 05:55:59 PM
solaria92 said:
You can bawww about anime/manga being all the same/too similar to tell "who's copying who" all you want, but the fact of the matter is, each artist has his own style and I don't know about anybody else, but I can recognize mangaka styles.
Case in point, Nick Simmons has blatantly taken from Tite Kubo, and didn't even have the balls to truly put his own spin on it.
For shame.
... but I will admit I am interested in Incarnate's storyline. >.>
Posted 02/26/2010 at 06:38:11 PM
Nando said:
A homage is open about what it's inspired by. This mess? Ughhhh....
I don't even really like Bleach, but if you showed me an image of Incarnate's panels, I'd immediately identify it as looking like Bleach. The storyline sounds eerily similar too.
After looking at his dA it looks like his style is like if Bleach raped Code Geass.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 12:01:51 AM
The Micronerd said:
Personally I never liked Nick Simmons. Mainly because getting his comic picked up and published almost immediately based solely on the fact that his daddy is a big rock star is a slap in the face to all the artists with tenfold talent in their pinky finger are struggling and busting their asses for years to get published.
The fact that his "artwork" is unashamedly plageurized from other sources without any actual effort to actually draw is even more of a slap in the face.
I at least commend Radical Publishing for suspending the title.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 12:29:50 AM
sx said:
how embarrassing, you actually used quotes from a troll. That wasn't Nick. I'm sure by now his lawyers have advised him not to make any comment until they release an official statement. Whoever the impersonator is, they are having a field day with this, at Nicks expense. Never mind Simmons being sued, I hope he get's the I.P of the wannabe and sues for impersonation, slander and libel and emotional distress. The theft won't go to court, the original artist doesn't even care, if anything I think he is flattered so many Bleach fans care.
It's awesome to see how much support the original artist has gotten over this, but I don't think people are making themselves any better than the accused by flaming, and threatening and name calling someone...get over it what's done is done you can't erase the past
Posted 02/27/2010 at 12:41:45 AM
Bob, from the office down the hall said:
I don't want to nitpick, Nick, but is this really your plan?
Spend your whole life locked inside your lies?
Maybe that's ok for now, but someday you'll be out of friends and lawyers,
And you'll have to tell the truth.
I'm not surprised to see you haven't thought it through enough.
You never had the head for all that bigger picture stuff.
But Nick, that's what I do, and I plan on eating you .. slowly.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 02:03:00 AM
Spazweez replied to Bob, from the office down the hall:
But, Bob...
All I want to do is steal your art.
But I'm not a plagiarist.
You see, my book reads from left to right.
All I want to do is steal your art.
You know, my dad's in KISS
And we're ready for a legal fight.
So please don't slander me,
While I trace over your work
And steal your art.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 07:10:17 AM
KdWthTheGldnArm said:
Did he really expect to get away with it? How could he? I hope he gets sued. I don't know who's publishing this trash but they have a responsibility to pull this shit off of the shelves immediately. Fucking dickhead! What were you thinking?!
Posted 02/27/2010 at 02:04:35 AM
historygeek5 said:
Listen everyone... you're all digging your own graves posting on this forum. Facebook is looking into suspending this page and issuing any warnings for slander against me. I can't make this any clearer... I DID NOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK!! I may have appropriated some styles, but I did not steal. My work is full... of homages to everyone in my medium - not theft! You guys are just a bunch of mean spirited mouth-breathers - except all my fans on here who have rightfully supported me. I will ask Facebook not to press any charges against you if you give me a sincere apology here in this thread. Please do so. Facebook keeps all your IP addresses and info... so they will suspend your account if I do not receive proper apologies."
LOL what a whinny baka
Posted 02/27/2010 at 08:49:35 AM
Anon said:
"When I channel my energy when drawing my book sometimes I can pull stuff in that I never seen before. It's like i'm possessed when I start thinking and drawing. Perhaps I just got on the same wave length that all artists share."
LOL. What? Are you saying Kubo Tite's energy/spirit possessed you? As well as many other energies/spirits out there whose work you've clearly plagiarized? DA artists and other manga-kas? This is totally LOL-worthy, no matter if it's an impersonator or the real douchebag.
And shame on you - Nicktard. Did you actually think you could get away with this insolence? Have you no respect to the artists/authors, the publishers, and their fans? I hope all the artists sue you for this despicable 'thing' you called your 'own'.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 11:35:42 AM
Xaliber von Reginhild said:
This entry shows how an angry fantard is just... a fantard.
That Nick Simmons on FaceBook was a troll, duh. I thought the people on my country was the dumbest.
Don't get me wrong--I read Bleach, I even like Bleach in spite of all of not-so-interesting story lately. But I'm no fantard.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 12:07:42 PM
Anon replied to Xaliber von Reginhild:
I did say "This is totally LOL-worthy, no matter if it's an impersonator or the real douchebag."
I'll rephrase it then: The post was hilarious, no matter if it's a troll or not. Meaning? I replied to the quote because I want to, because I find it and replying to it amusing. Because I don't care if it is made by the real Nick or a troll.
And no matter what Nick does or say to the media to defend himself, he is still a bastard - Nicktard.
Oh, so fans who are angry because their favorite manga was plagiarized, fans who want justice for that manga, is equal to a bastard now? A fantard?
Posted 02/27/2010 at 11:17:51 PM
Xaliber von Reginhild replied to Anon:
Wut.
I'm not replying to you, Mr. Anon. I'm referring to this post, the Topless Robot (or, more specifically, Rob Bricken) has written. And this post shows how angry fantards are just fantards. I mean those who merely say "FFFFF BLEACH R PLAGIARIZED NICK SIMMONS GAY" blahblah. And of course the entry itself.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 05:07:58 AM
Ezelix said:
Wow, just wow.
I can't believe he's actually trying to defend himself against such evidence! And not only that, he's trying to abuse his power to get apologies. The nerve of this guy astounds me.
Someone please get Tite Kubo to sue. PLEASE.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 01:34:40 PM
Dirk Bauman said:
I guess I'm just a bit more tolerant than some people. My feelings are posted at my blog.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 04:28:50 PM
Tek said:
Hmm, I don't understand, for some strange reason the characters look EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME. Someone should inform him that newcomers to either could mistake them for one another(OH NO!).
But taking this seriously, if you look at the parts he didn't trace carefully enough, it looks like he can't even draw as well.
OH! Light bulb! Make them have a sketch off! winner, wins I guess.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:24:36 PM
Trygon said:
GOD GAVE ROCK AND ROLL TO YOU, GAVE ROCK AND ROLL TO YOU, PUT IT IN THE SOUL OF EVERYONE!
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:32:50 PM
bleachfan said:
lmao. i just looked at the compairisons. that was paaaaainful. when i first read the story about all this i was so angry i could hardly see then i simmered down and thought"maybe it was coincedence" if your a bleach fan, punch me in the face plz. lol.i hate his lifestyle but this has put the iceing on the M-A-N-G-A cake. but Kubo-kun is being quite the good sport so if hes not mad....i'll cut my anger in half
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:50:38 PM
R-U-J0kin said:
Soooooooo... Guesses or bet's on if he he shows up at Comic-Con this year?
Posted 02/27/2010 at 08:06:11 PM
April said:
For the record, and this has probably been said in one of the 200+ comments before, BUT:
The Nick Simmons quotes are a moot point. It was discovered as a troll. The real Nick Simmons has yet to make an official statement on the matter.
Tite Kubo has though via Twitter. He's apparently more concerned that the kid's a manga artist than the fact he's plagiarizing his work. And this is why Tite Kubo's my hero
Posted 02/27/2010 at 08:41:08 PM
Anonymous said:
Honestly, Nick Simmon's style is below average. It sorta looks like a REALLY low budget anie studio threw it together in a month. The lines aren't pretty, the faces bother me, and the colors are average. Over all, he doesn't do a very good job with the style. If you want BEAUTIFUL art, look up some of Kouga Yun's full color peices. Now those are special. Also, if you think about it,
After having read the synopsis, it realy just seems like BLEACH from the Hollow's point of view and thoughts, instead of the soul reapers.
Hunting instead of being hunted?*cough* eating humans, souls, and soul reapers *cough* Creatures have found out way to kill them? *cough* SOUL REAPERS!!!! *cough*
Totally unoriginal. While it is very hard to be original, this is just blatently plariagism.
I'm even really a fan of bleach. I read the manga, it was good, but not great. end of story.
I still have a very high respect for it and te time and patientce it takes to make them.
I am a DIE HARD manga and anime fan. A RENOWNED Japanese artist has taken me on as an apprentice, and I am learning the ways of manga from her. I am also learning japanese (with Rosetta stone) so tat I might travel there and possibly live there one day.
Let me make this clear : you do not screw with manga, mangakas, anime, or anything related to it. RESPECT THE SENSEI.
in short,
Nick Simmons = Karewa baka desu.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 09:04:49 PM
Gerald R Songy said:
Mr. Rob Bricken, you are a very unprofessional person. I do not doubt that Nick may have plagiarized, but to deliver a story by calleg Nick and his famous Dad as a douche bag and a moron proves that you are a bigger one. At least Gene would say "thank you" if you called him an a$$hole. I would hope that you would restrain personal opinion from future reporting.
Thank you,
Gerald
Posted 02/27/2010 at 09:17:19 PM
Lynnie replied to Gerald R Songy:
Hi! Welcome to Topless Robot! (You, sir, have twisted expectations if you think a webiste called "Topless Robot" is a professional news site.)
Thank you,
Wait, no, because who signs off comments like?
Posted 02/28/2010 at 03:07:33 AM
☆☆☆ JaganaR ☆☆☆ replied to Lynnie:
hey lynnie , it may not be a professional site
but TR is a respected one . and us readers bank on said opinion as generally unbiased unless we hit the proverbial SNAG (when we dont agree with him)
so we readers got our money and our vested intrest :) which will follow on the basis of OUR opinions and counter's .
therefore TR is an ACCREDITED website ^^
Posted 03/01/2010 at 12:01:56 AM
x.T said:
Don't miss out on his comment " If you steal my artwork, you will pay. In cash.
Spank you very much and good night." From his Deviantart site.
haha What a moron. It was obvious someone was going to notice!
Posted 02/28/2010 at 01:03:05 AM
Nick said:
I will throw out that these are blatant swipes, but they aren't plagiarism. He is not using exact character designs (all though some are damn close), nor is he presenting them in the same format (color and page design makes a huge difference). Don't get me wrong, he's clearly a douche for this. But as to a potential lawsuit against him or Radical? You will probably have to work hard to prove that one.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 05:42:54 AM
Anonymous said:
wtf he's still denying it? dude. srsly dude. that sucks.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 02:24:39 PM
Odemit said:
I imagine it happened like this:
“Hey Dad, I want to make comic books but I can’t draw people very well.”
“Son when I was your age I had the same problem. Just take other peoples stuff and switch it around. Then change the words and make it all louder. Worked for me and now I’m the best in the business.”
“I’m not sure that will work for comics.”
“Sure it will work, just use those books I bought for you on my last Japanese tour. Nobody here has seen them.”
“Thanks Dad, you’re the best.”
Posted 03/01/2010 at 04:07:22 AM
Anonymous said:
Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
it IS plagiarism,
Posted 03/01/2010 at 05:27:25 AM
SMITH said:
Nick is a douchebag.. when it's obvious like this .. fucking fess up man.. telling people there's some "mystical" magic drawing reason for the panels being IDENTICAL is the type of idiotic thing that could only be said by a spoiled rich biy whose parents have been providing validation for all his lies growing up by believeing them.. therefore psychologically he REALLY thinks people will believe him
Posted 03/01/2010 at 03:43:58 PM
erika said:
So does this mean I can rip off a KISS riff, then claim I am paying homage even though I have never listened to them?
Posted 03/01/2010 at 07:50:29 PM
AJ said:
I don't know what's funnier; Nick got caught plagarizing or you guys used quotes from a troll acount pretending to be Nick.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 01:47:22 PM
Ramen said:
lmao. Reading through this whole page was quite the treat.
Now, I'm just going to put this out there: Nick Simmons is a babe.
BUT. That doesn't mean anything. Nor does the fact that his dad has oodles of money. Plagiarism is plagiarism, no matter how hilariously badly it is disguised. And as established as Bleach is, I highly doubt anyone needs to worry about him not getting punished for it. Even if by some ridiculous chance does legal action not take place, his name has quite obviously been severely tarnished in a hilariously awkward way.
On the bright side, maybe he'll get lucky and become the next internet meme.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 02:58:25 PM
Anonymous said:
Even if it's not plagiarism per se (and it kinda is), he's still relying too heavily on Kubo's art for his work to have any credibility. Half of the fanart on DA is better than this.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 07:25:13 PM
Anonymous said:
The 'Nick Simmons" on FB is probably not the real Nick Simmons. He is probably someone who just wants people to rage even more.
Posted 03/02/2010 at 11:03:35 PM
Shut the Hell Up said:
I think this is getting blown out of proportion. First off, the Nick Simmons from these posts here is obviously a troll, there are so many reasons why it's not even funny.
Secondly, the REAL Nick Simmons has commented on this issue, stating that he LOVES Bleach, and while he does not feel that he copyrighted it, he feels like he did get inspiration from the art style of certain scenes in Kubo's work.
Believe it or not, a LOT of manga artists do this, and it's fine, and NOT illegal.
Nick did not copy any trademarked characters, catchphrases, logos, or plot line. There is similar dialogue (all works see similarities in dialogue, plots can only vary so much, especially in manga which all essentially have the same plot). ART STYLE IS NOT COPYRIGHTABLE! Otherwise you couldn't for example, paint a picture like Picassa, compose a song that sounds like Rush, et cetera. There IS a limit to human ccreaetivity, and while Nick "copying" Bleach may seem uncreative and foolish, it is not Illegal, judging by these comparisons.
Also, Nicks manga is VERY good, the plot is interesting, the characters are cool, the art especially the color, is great.
And Tite Kubo has also commented on the fact, stating that, essentially, he doesnt care that it looks like Bleach.
Which is a good point, Bleach is so popular, i doubt Nicks manga will take away from its profits, and there are so many fan doujins of Bleach that you would have to sue all of them if art style copying was illegal, honestly people, this is no big deal, and if you are honestly offended by Nicks work, just shut up and move on, its not gonna hurt Bleach, it's not going to hurt you, so move on, everyone is overreacting to this.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 09:36:39 AM
Shut the helll up replied to Shut the Hell Up:
I suggest that we forget that Nick rips off everyone because everyone who's too stupid to think for themselves steals from others. Believe it or not, a LOT of manga artists do this, and it's fine, and NOT illegal!
ART STYLE IS NOT COPYRIGHTABLE! Otherwise you couldn't for example, paint a picture like Picassa (The HELL is Picassa? Who cares? YOINK!), compose a song that sounds like Rush, or put your name on someone else's work and make money from it! Why strive to be diferent? other people's work is better than yours, so swipe it! If they complain, tell them to shut up and move on, then ignore them.
Also, Nicks manga is VERY good, the plot is interesting, the characters are cool, the art especially the color, is great. The plot is also taken from other people, often the same panels the art is taken from, so you know it's great! Also, all manga and anime have essentially the same plot, as does Nick's, but somehow his is BETTER. TRUST ME. Death? AWESOME! Blood? Can't be emo without it! Curse words? FUCK YEAH! We're hardcore! Also, the color is nice. Opps, there's a colorist, he didn't touch the colors, but hopefully he instructed the people coloring to STEAL THE FUCK OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S COLORS, because as we've already learned, tracing is hunky dory and only the idiots who are hung up on origionality give two shits about 'percieved similarities' anyway.
Posted 03/08/2010 at 03:29:06 AM
Dan said:
I pitied this S.O.B. until I read the statement saying he's never even heard of Bleach. Now saying that just made him look like not only a dumbass ignorant half assed stupid immature whiny kid, but a cowardly spineless retard who wants to hide behind Facebook to protect his stupid ass.
Posted 03/19/2010 at 11:24:15 PM
Llama Joe said:
I've read through the ENTIRE conversation (and yes, I don't have many friends, so get over it), and I've come to this conclusion: It may not be illiagal, it's still immoral. Would it have killed him to say "I also copied a few panels from a few other manga/anime series." And why didn't he give some sort of credit to the anime/manga artists.The thing that got me agitated the most is that he is also selling that frankenstien of stolen panels and character designs without giving royalties. Nick, if you are reading this, and you haven't played a game of one player game of russian roulet with the gold desert eagle daddy bought you, please, just apologize.
Posted 03/23/2010 at 06:19:56 AM
Llama Joe said:
Am I getting this clearly? He copied panels from multiple manga series, never gave them credit, and tried to make money? If you are reading this Nick, and you haven't played one player russian rulett with the golden desert eagle daddy bought you, just apologize.
Posted 03/23/2010 at 06:24:14 AM
Reiko said:
Yea don't feed the trolls people LOL, this guys' biting and laughing at everything we do. Keep it up Nick, yer a douchebag :P even your average AVATAR drawings on DA suck ass.
Posted 03/24/2010 at 05:04:04 PM
Daniel Nasato said:
Please man, this guy doesnt have any respect, Bleach is the second manga ever readed in the hole world, how can he said that, and that stupid cometary, and the worst part of all is that the stupid guy demand appologyse... Some people have take an honest place in the world...
Not because hes the son of Gene Simon he can said that... take a true life man
Posted 04/05/2010 at 11:18:04 PM
Guyy said:
"• "Listen everyone... you're all digging your own graves posting on this forum. Facebook is looking into suspending this page and issuing any warnings for slander against me. I can't make this any clearer... I DID NOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK!! I may have appropriated some styles, but I did not steal. My work is full... of homages to everyone in my medium - not theft! You guys are just a bunch of mean spirited mouth-breathers - except all my fans on here who have rightfully supported me. I will ask Facebook not to press any charges against you if you give me a sincere apology here in this thread. Please do so. Facebook keeps all your IP addresses and info... so they will suspend your account if I do not receive proper apologies."
• "Okay.. now looking at some of these photo comparisons, I can see why a few people are up-in-arms. I can tell you right now these are all purely coincidences. I never even heard of Bleach! Who would name a comic after laundry detergent? When I channel my energy when drawing my book sometimes I can pull stuff in that I never seen before. It's like i'm possessed when I start thinking and drawing. Perhaps I just got on the same wave length that all artists share. My dad just called and said I have a real case against all this slander. If Facebook doesn't give into my demands soon there's going to be hell to pay. Now, I have to damage control on another site - more people being mislead. Now I have to deal with this and my book's deadline. I'm not sure how I can think and draw under all this pressure."
• "I have no idea how people are saying my comic looks like that bleach magma. My book is in color and the other is not. My book reads left to right... the other reads right to left. Besides some vague similarities, they're nothing alike. I put my heart and soul into my book - great story and awesome characters... yet people are trying to pull me down. And NO... I didn't trace or copy other peoples work. Most of these photos are starting to look like photoshop manipulations to make me look bad. You can't trust everything you see on the Internet."
ANYONE who believes Nick Simmons actually wrote that are complete morons. Clearly some kid just wrote a bunch of ignorant quotes claiming that Nick said it at an attempt to make people hate Nick more.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 04:33:17 PM
Slip said:
Do you guys honestly think that was Nick commenting on that page? It's stupid how people are willing to believe anything, as long as it makes the situation more interesting. As if he would call manga "magma."
Posted 04/18/2010 at 11:54:41 PM






