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merlintwizard said:
Damn people for not buying these, damn DC for not marketing them strong enough, and damn it all for the lost Judas Contract movie. This is depressing news.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:09:25 PM
bigcalculus replied to merlintwizard:
We 'all' know why sales are low for an animation DVD....its not not people are waiting for the BLU-RAY either.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:25:08 PM
Brent Sienna said:
Boooooo, I say... BOOOOOOOOO!!!!! A pox on all thy nerds that didn't buy those great movies! So I imagine this means all we will see in the future is Superman, Batman and... Superman And Batman teamup DVD's.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:10:47 PM
MattK replied to Brent Sienna:
Except they said no The Long Halloween or Hush adaptations.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:09:08 PM
RodimusBen said:
This is a major bummer. Wasn't even aware there was a WW sequel being planned, but the first one was great and probably the closest we'll ever get to an actual Wonder Woman movie, given Hollywood's success record with female driven superhero flicks.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:11:21 PM
Coches said:
This is DC's fault man, for not marketing this stuff properly. I was going HORSE telling everyone I knew to buy it. Then again, funds are limited so sometimes folks have to decided between a game, a movie (like going out to the theater), or some other form of entertainment. This might of registered low on the entertainment scale. I wonder if the same circumstances hold true for Marvel as well?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:18:37 PM
Irv said:
the only way they could turn this around is to have a new tv series. or bring back JLU.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:19:39 PM
RunnerX13 said:
It wasn't poor sales, they just didn't initially sell as many as they would have liked, but did just fine in the long run.
What's shitty is that, WW was one of the best movies they produced.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:21:56 PM
Geoff said:
An interesting note from the article: it's not that WW and GL didn't sell - they eventually reached the numbers that New Frontier did, and NF was considered enough of a hit by WB that it gave justification to doing all the other movies - but that they didn't sell *quickly enough.*
Which is generally unsurprising regarding Wonder Woman (the least commercially successful character to have been in publication for 70+ years), but I'd have thought GL would have done better.
Maybe they should've stuck with Jon Stewart, huh? :)
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:27:00 PM
Jason said:
They were good but pretty much only worth a single viewing. They'd air on Cartoon Network like the week after they were released on DVD. Why buy them?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:30:46 PM
spoon07 said:
Admittedly I think Hal Jordan is a douche but First Flight was kind of lame.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:34:17 PM
theBRUCE said:
I was really looking forward to Judas Contract. So they suck for that. Was I the only one disappointed by First Flight?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:42:32 PM
Jay said:
Anyone else think that the lack of success of WW and GL compared to the success of New Frontier should tell them to stick with the graphic novel adaptations?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:45:20 PM
Faceman said:
I saw Public Enemies on DVD in stores, and I was almost going to buy it. But I couldn't justify paying $30 for a hour-long movie. If they sold multiple movies in box sets, I think I'd be more inclined to buy them - especially considering that shelf space is premium realty for some of us.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:45:54 PM
Greymattersplat said:
Well, we know there should be at least one more after Red Hood. I was reading specs about the DVD/Blue Releases someplace yesterday and it made specific mention of a trailer for "the next DC animated movie". Which means whatever it is, it's far enough into production that I can't imagine them shit-caning it now.
This just goes to show, if you want to support something you love, make damn sure you spend money on it. It's the only support studios care about. (which is their right, since they spend a bunch of money to make these in the first place, but still)
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:56:03 PM
Burritoclock replied to Greymattersplat:
That's the only support any cares about...
Posted 04/28/2010 at 10:45:09 PM
Necromancer said:
Would've helped if they weren't only released in the US, Marvel's animated features are available here in the UK but not DC's :s
Posted 04/28/2010 at 03:57:45 PM
RoyDeMarco said:
I've heard its good but really who begs their mom for the new Wonder Woman dvd. She's not a good leading character. DC has always been hindered by the perception and promotion of her as upper echelon. I understand there's not a lot of female superheroes but they have to know by now that she doesn't carry a solo project.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:01:51 PM
Black Snow said:
Dear DC,
No one cares about Wonder Woman. No one ever has. No one ever will.
Wait.
Strike that.
Lynda Carter was hot.
But other than that Wonder Woman is incapable of being interesting without Supes, Bats, etc. around.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:19:33 PM
satur8 replied to Black Snow:
The Wonder Woman DVD was far more captivating than anything Superman related since about 1986.
Also, watch Crisis on Two Earths and see which of the two characters is more interesting. Just pretend that Batman isn't in the room....
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:26:32 PM
satur8 said:
I'm still a little bitter that Public Enemies was produced and The Judas Contract was not.
As mentioned above, the pricing and marketing of these DC releases were just as responsible for the fail as any other factor.
Also, nobody's mentioned it yet, but Crisis on Two Earths was also pretty good...but dammit, what about our Judas Contract?!?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:23:38 PM
Halbred said:
Wonder Woman has potential. She's just never lived up to it. And they can't decide on an origin for her. The franchise has been rebooted like five times.
I didn't even know there WAS an animated WW movie.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:29:15 PM
mescatraz33 said:
They were gonna make a Long Halloween cartoon movie? That would've been so great...
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:37:09 PM
Geoff replied to mescatraz33:
No, they weren't. Timm out-and-out says in that interview that he doesn't think they'd ever be able to get TLH into an 80-minute feature.
Hell, they had to cut the heck out of New Frontier and it was only six (admittedly double-sized) issues.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 05:29:07 PM
Dave said:
So, there's just not that big a market for comic book movies designed for adults. I'm shocked.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:37:39 PM
Loafy said:
Thus news sucks. All the DC films have been day 1 purchases for me. I've been looking forward to the Teen Titans film since they announced it years ago. And the Batgirl year One was new to me and makes me cry inside even more. Both the WW and GL films deserved sequels. And the fact that their sales caught up in the long run means the sequels would likely have sold faster then the first film. Stupid, short sighted, capitalists. Always looking at the tree and never the forest.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:38:00 PM
MooseBerry said:
It's a real shame for GL. It was actually pretty good.
Those other things you mentioned? Batgirl: Year One? Aquaman? Rightfully cancelled. What the hell were they thinking?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 04:58:16 PM
Adam_Omega replied to MooseBerry:
Batgirl: Year One is an amazingly great comic. You should pick up the trade and give it a shot along with the Robin: Year One trade.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 07:49:05 PM
Vic The Sage replied to MooseBerry:
I'm sick of people treating Aquaman like shit. Pick up a goddamn comic with the character in it before you judge. I recomend Peter David's Aquaman, Grant Morrison's JLA, and whatever Geoff had planned for him in Brightest day, I'm sure it'll be awesome.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 09:05:48 PM
outofstep said:
This news sucks.
What I don't get is how they can be considered failures when they consistantly seem to be sold out at the Best Buy's in my area, those same Best Buys have had numerous endcaps and displays for all manner of DC product. Heck I've bought the majority of these on DVD and then again on Blu Ray. My conspiracy theory senses are thinking there's more to this than low sales, there may have been distribution issues and lord knows what else. The fact that they're all PG-13 doesn't help either.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 05:06:43 PM
BallsMonkey said:
This is un-fucking-believable. These movies were great, what kind of numbers were they expecting, I thought they established early on what the target audience was. I can't believe they're gonna cancel all of those, it's total bullshit. See, this is why DC is constantly behind Marvel in mainstream popularity, they pull shit like this.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 05:17:55 PM
stewbacca said:
Well I guess I can hope for a 2 movie No mans land
Posted 04/28/2010 at 05:40:40 PM
Jack Faust said:
Bought 'em both when they came out, in the hopes it would spur more movies. Damn the luck.
That was honestly the best treatment of Wonder Woman I'd ever seen. Tough. Poised. And full of feminist vigor without being obnoxious.
The only thing I wished they'd done better was make Steve Trevor test pilot the invisible jet. Instead of that "oh we just had this parked under the Atheneum this whole time" nonsense.
Wondy deserves her own cartoon series, dammit.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 05:46:30 PM
"Starman" Matt Morrison said:
The real tragedy in all of this?
This didn't happen soon enough to stop the move based on a Judd Winick Batman story.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:12:58 PM
demoncat said:
judas contract that thing was declared dead a long time ago for the wb big wigs did not think there was enough support for it sales wise. and sad to see a sequal to green lantern and wonder woman is a no go plus leading to no more super heroin films is kind of sexist on wb. parts. as for no interest in long Halloween and hush do to how hard it would be to do them that way guess that means kingdom come will never be considered for the same reasons. a bummer
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:22:35 PM
wingdarkness said:
Other than Mark harmon butchering the shit outta Superman, Crisis on Two Earth's was awesome...The alt-Batman was cool as f*ck...DC just doesn't promote well enough, and lets face it, only people over 25 even give a damn about Justice League anymore...I'll bittorrent whatever comes out, why? Cuz that's the way of the world...
GL movie was dope BTW, and I'll find the WW movie now that I know they made one...Now if they do a Batman Beyond movie, I'll buy that $hit in a heartbeat...
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:31:20 PM
Captain Rescue said:
You got some of your facts wrong as mentioned by the others.
They're not doing more Wonder Woman and Batgirl cause WB won't allow them to make more movies staring a female superhero.
Wonder Woman sold fine but just not as fast as New Frontier.
We'll probably be getting another GL movie when/after the live action movie comes out.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:46:45 PM
Izandra said:
Sadtimes. I rented both Wonder Woman and Green Lantern from Netflix, loved WW, liked GL (enough that I started reading the comics starting from Rebirth), and bought them both on bluray.
Would've loved to see more of these.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:47:22 PM
dave said:
I loved the WW movie. That said, there have been so many mediocre to horrible DC Direct-to-DVD releases that I can understand why people weren't interested in giving these a chance.
After Superman:Doomsday, who in their right mind would buy another?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 06:52:28 PM
jeffers said:
I almost cried when I read that there would be no 'Hush' movie, not too fussed about TLH though, don't get me wrong, I actually prefer it to Hush, but I don't think it would work on screen, especially considering the length. Not that it matters anyway, they probably wouldn't have made it to the UK anyway (damn you DC!)
Posted 04/28/2010 at 07:43:09 PM
Shadowtag said:
So this is how they plan to put their properties out there? The only upcoming project is one of my least favorite Batman arcs in the last five years and a Young Justice project that doesn't even pull in an existing black character?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 09:24:11 PM
AgentofChaos said:
I'm not totally broken up by this.
The Wonder Woman movie was terrific but the GL movie was dull.
I will miss seeing Aquaman, though.
But after the Superman/Doomsday fiasco, I could care less about the project as a whole.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 09:42:42 PM
Ranchoth said:
Jeez...how are they SUPPOSED to improve their profits if they don't DO anything?
Posted 04/28/2010 at 09:48:26 PM
ComicFiction said:
There's too many reasons to count why the aforementioned projects failed or didn't sell quickly enough. Marketing is one, simply putting commercials on the cartoon network you already own isn't enough. Also, fans knowing said network will show the movie at some point doesn't help either. Someone pointed out the "one viewing" factor of the flicks which is true as well and WB animated flicks being anorexic on dvd extras so that eliminates wanting to buy it for behind the scenes stuff. Hell, throw in a couple Linda Carter Wonder Woman eps or at least get the rights to show her in the one piece swimsuit from battle of the network stars, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDgrwDfowKk Who doesn't want to see that shite in HD.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 09:59:21 PM
Tekkamanraiden said:
I'm surprised considering I bought both.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 10:06:40 PM
Shwiggie said:
Fan dollars are meaningless when such productions require mainstream-scale dollars to fund them.
Lantern, WW, and Public Enemies were decent, and Crisis was great. I bought all but the Doomsday one, which was as much a turd as I expected it to be. Sad thing is, it was still a better movie than Superman Returns, which is getting a follow-up or reboot on the strength of said mainstream dollars.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 12:55:32 AM
Kryptoknight said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Curse you Warner! Damn it. WW and GL:FF were excellent, I enjoyed Public Enemies but was unimpressed mostly with Crisis. I have however been eagerly awaiting follow-ups for WW and GL along with Under the Red Hood and Judas Contract.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 02:35:49 AM
Nature's Folly said:
I can't say i was a fan of all of the DC movies that have been out of the last few years. I will admit i may have streamed some of them, rather than dropping money on a rental or even buying them outright. I think part of the issue is that some of these are just not that good. Public enemies? That was shit. Green Lantern was ok at best...i did enjoy WW, but i never was happy about it...i sat there thinking, "i can't believe i'm watching a WW movie." And i'm, getting tired of them finding new voice actors to fill these same character roles....i don't want a fucking baldwin to be batman. EVER. How hard is it to get the same people who did the voice work from the actual series? Lets be honest here...a lot of those people do nothing but voice work...not like that cup is running over with work for them....."Oh no no i'm far to busy doing nothing at all that you have to go get b or c or d list celeb to come in and just piss all over the work i have done for years and years." So DC and WB just fucked over all of us....Enjoy Super hero squad movies from here on out, and die a little inside every time you see it on cartoon network.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 04:12:14 AM
jason bergman said:
The saddest thing about this is that Public Enemies (which was god awful) sold really well, so that's probably what we can look forward to in the future.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 09:36:11 AM
Wesley Street said:
BOOOOOO! My wife and I loved all the direct-to-disc animated movies, especially Wonder Woman. Stupid DC! Learn how to market properly! It's not like you're owned by Time-Warner or anything...
Posted 04/29/2010 at 09:53:51 AM
YaKlan said:
Grrr. These movies were great! I loved the two Justice League movies. The only one I don't own yet is Public Enemies. The marketing really is to blame here...
Hope they get it together and make us some more great films.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 10:18:42 AM
haha said:
DC has a new CEO right, maybe they need a "newer" one.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 10:31:09 AM
Bob said:
Well, if they wanted these to succeed, they would have done The Dark Knight Returns, Batman Year One, Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Swamp Thing Anatomy Lesson, Judas Contract, shall I go on? Instead they focused on B and C grade stories such as Public Enemies and Origin stories that will be told again soon enough, like First Flight.
New Frontier was fantastic, but they got progressively worse instead of better.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 01:59:03 PM
Michael said:
I have to agree with Bob here. DC chose terrible stories to adapt and didn't even adapt them very well. Public Enemies was basically the first season of JLU, and JLU was better. Much better (even if it was nice to hear Tim Daly as Superman again).
Personally, I think they should have gone in newer directions rather than rehashing already told stories. Why not tell a new Superman story? Maybe introduce a non-comics villain? Why would anyone buy a story we already had in trade form?
Posted 04/29/2010 at 05:29:04 PM
Tekyu said:
Public Enemies hit pretty far from the mark, I mean bless 'em for the front end being ripped from the book, but where it went... ugh. Kill it with fire.
Wonder Woman and GL: First Flight were outstanding and I don't think blaming the fans for DC/Warner crapping out on future releases is prudent. Obviously mourning fans aren't in any way to blame for DC's cockblock because all they do is sacrifice hard-earned money on their black altar.
Warner has the worst concept of DVD release success which I experienced first-hand as a rental store manager/instore and online renter-first, buyer second. If I'm not important enough as a consumer to allow me to PAY (monthly fees to a rental service) to sample to cuisine, then I don't need to dine in your eatery, do I?
They market these movies like its an afterthought (usually commercials show day before release, day of and day after and that's it) and make them available as though they were militant germophobes by not allowing rentals and making the sale copies comparatively scarce outside of Walmart/Bestbuy whilst Marvel's stuff is readily available off the shelf in copious amounts and for rental. Disney may alter that later, but in my experience Marvel has had availability figured out. As a result, I end up buying what I like in the most expensive fashion BLU-RAY and 2-disc sets. Woo! So Marvel's gain is frequently DC's loss for me. Not to say that the DC products aren't excellent, but when it takes me over a month to see Crisis on 2 Earths after I'd already seen and purchased Planet Hulk, there's something not right with the system they're using.
Basically, in all my frothing, I'm just saying don't turn on each other because that leads to flame wars, inbreeding and sharks with freakin' laser beams.
DC said no, so you can start voting with your wallet or accept things as they are. Whichever. Personally, I'm going to send a long, preachy email and stop buying their stuff in general. Well, not new anyway. Anything to short them a few dimes.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 06:30:57 PM
Michael said:
You speak wisdom, Tekyu. I hadn't considered their release practices. I was speaking strictly as a fan (and netflix subscriber). I would say that from a business standpoint, Marvel is considerably more on the ball than DC. Say what you will about stories being told, but Marvel is beating the crap of DC (just look at the Marvel/DC parodies of the Mac/PC ads).
I will disagree on one point. While I am firmly against flames wars (and dogs and cats living together!), skarks with frickin' lasber beams attached to their heads are awesome!
Posted 04/30/2010 at 01:12:39 AM


