As anyone with electricity is well aware, Lost ends its run Sunday night. This season has been a bit of a roller coaster, with a chunk of the show's fanbase feeling that it went off the rails with the magic cave-infused "Across the Sea" episode a few weeks back. One of those who apparently feels that the show "entered the cave" (i.e. jumped the shark) is YouTuber tremendousnews. His above video features cute kitties portraying Jack, Kate, Sawyer, et al. The cats make some good points, but I want to know what you think about this season...and what you think the show's legacy ultimately will be. What would you have done differently? What mysteries (*cough* Dharma food drops *cough*) did you want to get solved that weren't? Would you have rather that Jacob and the Man in Black didn't play such a huge role in the series' denouement? Let's hear what you have to say in the comments, but keep it spoiler-free please or else face the wrath of the Island...and your fellow nerds. (Via New York Magazine)
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Though I'm pretty conflicted on the finale, I like the last season. One of the things that I find really interesting and also really off putting about the show is that it seems to shift subgenre and tone every season. First: Rollicking Island Adventure, Second: Paranoid Conspiracy fiction, Third: Psychadelic, prisoner style sci-fi, Fourth: Action-packed comic book, Fifth: Energetic, mind-bending time travel stuff, and Sixth: Big, metaphorical fantasy. Seasons all work within themselves and even sort of work with each other, though, like I said, this sort of thing can be off putting. Still, the problem with all of this is that, by shifting tones, a lot of stuff doesn't fit anymore and gets left behind. Walt fit well in season one and would have fit well in four, but he doesn't really have a place by the end of the series, just like Jacob wouldn't have functioned very well during two or three. I think once it gets thought of less as a popcorn sci-fi show and more as something like the Prisoner or Twin Peaks, worth examining in a more structural and modernist fashion, it will end up being pretty well respected. It's the sort of thing that's really easy to hate when it's on and really easy to respect when it's over. Even with the finale. Which I didn't hate. But also was not particularly satisfied with. There.
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People have been complaining about <i>Lost</i> since the second season, and that's not even counting the people who hated it from the start. If you want to be a popular work of fiction, no matter what, you will eventually face this scrutiny from someone. The truth is, I love <i>Lost</i>, it's the best show in Network TV history, and I'm hoping for the best. I'm still anxious as hell, and haven't been this tense for a finale since the last episodes of <i>Angel</i> (which rocked, no matter what some idiots say), and <i>Heroes</i> (which was the worst, most anticlimactic finale ever).
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<i>sigh</i> This show has gotten a little hokey in the last few seasons, hasn't it? But I do think Season 4, switching to flash-forwards, was really well done. But this season? I'm not so sure. I liked it better when there were still Others, when there were still wierd broadcasts and numbers, and Locke was Locke. The cast has said that they were really happy with how the writers wrapped it up, so maybe they do tie a bunch of stuff up really well in the end. I would love for some of the dead/gone characters to show up abruptly. And you asked a while ago if we could think of any show that was concieved from start to finish. <i>Babylon 5</i> had its entire five-year arc thought up by the creator in the shower. He had the whole thing planned out, and the only reason it didn't work was because the network told him they were cancelling after the fourth season, and he had to cram two seasons of stuff into what he thought was the last season. Then some other network picked it up, and you got a season full of odd leftovers and replacement characters (a good chunk of the cast left). Anyway, I really hope some network takes up the slack in the magical-realism niche.
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Doesn't it make more sense that, since Ben and Co. knew Desmond was in the Hatch and knew he was hitting that button every 108 minutes that Mikhail, from the Flame Station, was continuing to Order the Drops (as we saw his computer could). To think that it was a Time Delay getting to the island is a bit silly since the Rocket that was shot to the island only had a 30 minute delay not a 30 YEAR delay.
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I still can't decide if I'm going to get up at 5am for the last episode. Ive to get up at 6am for college anyway, but I like getting that extra hour..... Anyway, wow, I have so much to say about it, um, I can't really think what to say without a huge ass monolouge so I'll just say I really liked it >_<
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"Entered the Cave" will never replace "Jumped the Shark;" even George Lucas, Frank Miller, and Tite Kubo haven't replaced "Jumped the Shark." Nobody says "Nuked the Fridge," "God Damned the Batman," or "Plotkaied the Shinigami," "Jumped the Shark" will never die.
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after 6 seasons of Lost, I have finally deduced that they are all on an island.
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I was disappointed when everything that set up Locke's importance to the Others was explained away by convenient time travel loop between him, UnLocke and Richard. His whole childhood-dalai lama reincarnation thing that Richard put him through was so much cooler before they explained it.
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lapidis has to be alive. he needs to fly the plane off the island. there's no other reason to have brought him back.
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Missing: A cat screaming "WALT! WHERE ARE YOU?" and a kitten saying "I was kidnapped because I was special for 2 seasons, and now I've "fucked Sawyer".
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So many unanswered questions. How did Ben get Locke's dad to the island? What was the deal with Walt? Why can Miles talk to dead people? Why can Hurley see dead people? Plus all this last minute mythos crap that we'll never get answers to. In my mind I knew they would never be able to wrap the show up in a completely satisfying manner, but I thought they would do better than this.
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lol its bad and time for a show to end when even cats on you tube are going wtf trying to figure the current season of it out. the cat playing claire seems as nuts as claire is. and love cat locke saying i bacame a cloud now. lol
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i know for a fact that the've had to change the story some (i.e. killing off libby and anna lucia, getting rid of walt) on the fly, so i'm a little disappointed we won't get the original story the came up with from the beginning, but all in all, as long as they explain why the island is underground, where the light came from, how it's possible to even move the island, what the smoke monster is, where jack's dad is, what the ash around the temple and jacob's cabin is, is lapeedis still alive, why all the kids were experimented on.........that's all i can think about before my head starts to hurt.
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I love the MIB/Jacob episode. I think it really gave a nice view into the overarcing story and history of the island. It's a place, like earth itself, where history repeats itself. There is always a cast of characters that fill certain roles. Jack is the new Jacob. Sawyer is the new MIB. Kate is the new Mother. (and maybe Hurley is the new Alpert). Maybe it was a little heavy-handedly pointing out he metaphor, but I still enjoyed it. Over all I love Lost and this season has been one of the best. I think MIB's mother made a profound statement when she said something like "I will never have enough answers for all your questions". That's the show. We'll never get all the answers, and honestly I like that about it. Some mystery keeps it intriguing and allows the audience to keep wondering, as we have over the last 6 or 7 years. If it's all spelled out then the magic is lost (hehehe). I just hope the end lives up to the rest of the series. Far too many great shows have had lackluster finales (Seinfeld, Battlestar). But if there's anything I've learned from Lost is that sometimes you've just gotta have faith.
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Here is my one major complaint these days. In the last couple of seasons, the writers got very lazy about dealing with the background cast. Part of the original charm of the series was supposed to be that any of the survivors might come forward and be important.<br><br> Now the procedure is to say any large group of people you can't write for, "scattered into the jungle." The jungle must be pretty full with the random plane survivors, Jacob's people, Ben's people, Widmore's people, and Cindy the stewardess, who we'll apparently never get an explanation for.
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I'm so happy to see this here, I feel kind of like being acknowledged by TR means this guy has "made it". His entire website/multiple twitter accounts are all hilarious.
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"Across the Sea," really took a step back for me in enjoying this entire season. It was no way a bad episode, but I just felt it was so unneeded towards to end of the season. If it was in the middle or the beginning of the season I can't help but think people would have dug it more. I personally never wanted nor cared about Jacob and his brother's history. I think leaving it unanswered would have been great. Kate has been completely useless for a few seasons now. I get mad just seeing her, she serves no purpose! I'm more in the Juliet camp I guess. Her character would have been much more entertaining. Another thing that annoyed me is how Ben turned back to being so evil this last episode. I was really hoping for a redeeming moment. I guess I was hoping for more twist. A lot of these moments are just too predictable. (The new guardian of the island for one) I loved the show and am very excited to see how it's going to end. But I won't be surprised if this finale really turns out to be a big stinker.
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"Mothers always die" could definitely come full circle with "Across the Sea" Jacob and MIB's mother was killed immediately after being born. "The woman" could have affected this situation or been the cause(maybe a rule?). I don't really want to analyze, just enjoy. And I have enjoyed every aspect of this show, including the ARGs. The show has always followed the same themes from beginning to end. Lost is about humanity and its flaws. It doesn't matter what the light (deus ex machina?) is or what it does. It's about what people will do because of it.
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As much as I have thoroughly enjoyed this season, subsitituing the phrase "entered the cave" for "jumped the shark" made me lol. But yeah, I really have no huge qualms with this season. I'm a little disappointed that they went the alternate time-line route, but even that has shaped up to be fairly interesting, especially when Desmond's consciousness was able to travel there. The main mystery I wanted explained was Richard Alpert, and we got that episode! I'm a little more passive where all the other mysteries are concerned; I'll just wait and see which ones they choose to reveal. I'm very excited for the finale on Sunday!
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Am I the only one who thinks Kate went from somewhat relevant to a useless bitch who constantly skips off into the woods with no goal other than someone didn't want her to? Then she just runs into someone else who wanders around and heads back when she decides its her idea to stick around. I propose the new phrase to refer to a character development becoming stunted be known as "Fucked Sawyer." "Gee, Data really fucked Sawyer once that emotion chip was installed." "Superman's iconic and all, but I don't enjoy his solo comic too much since he's been fucking sawyer for decades." The food drops are delivered by catapult. Or automated rocket. The mothers all die because the light cave is such a powerful source of life, it fucks with every other life creation. The light heals impotence and paralysis as being within its proximity causes rapid cell growth. A freshly conceived batch of cells in the womb will grow likely too fast to properly assemble a complex human fetus. The quickly grown mutation will be eventually miscarried and also be dangerous to the mother as her body can't handle the trauma from the rapid growth. Isn't it obvious? Nah, I just made that shit up as I typed it.
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"Expose" wasn't a waste of time. It killed off Nikki & Paolo.
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I'm getting a "For the Man Who Has Everything" vibe for the sideways reality. I'm okay with not getting answers for everthing or having every detail explained to me (like the food drops, which Hole in the Head explained), since we have gotten enough answers that we can explain a lot of the mysteries. I also agree that having all the mysteries explained would spoil the mystique of the show.
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THIS season? Seriously? Although to be honest, I literally turned off the TV in disgust when Ben showed Jack that his father was alive after Ben's surgery, and haven't looked back since.
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My daughter asked me if I was going to miss the show once it's over. While I enjoy it,look forward to it and think it's been entertaining as hell, I also look forward to it ending. I don't need all the mysteries explained...I just want it to end in a cool way. The ending could give us more mystery, be ambiguous -- just don't be stupid. Don't force it. For the record, I didn't hate "Across the Sea" -- just thought it was something that could have been told in 15 minutes (or something that could have been told throughout the season). I think I'll feel more relieved when the show is over. One more thing I won't feel I *have* to make sure I watch.
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I lost interest in Lost when I realised if there was a camera shot with a figure you couldn't distinguish, the camera shot would then pull out to reveal some one who was dead, had dissapeared earlier or whatever. A show like the original Prisoner survived not having to explain everything at the end because it could rely on the vivid, imaginative and ludicrous world it had constructed, Lost seems to have spent all its time trying to make all the wonder it had, look as mundane and dripping in melodrama as possible
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Oh I'm sure it will. I think I'm just beyond the point of caring. I'm so fed up with Kate and Jack that any screen time devoted to them just angers me. All the wrong people are dying.
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I've never fallen off the Lost bandwagon, and agree with what several people have already said: if you explain everything it's stupid. I've gotten a bit tweaked by all the "20 (or 100, or a billion) mysteries LOST simply must clear up by the time it's over or the world will end!" lists popping up all over the internet. Most of the mysteries are WAY cooler as mysteries than they are as explanations, so, frankly, I would have been perfectly happy if they explained almost nothing. And while I agree that the first two seasons are probably the best, I think they've handled telling a really complicated story with a lot of characters remarkably well, given how craptastic most shows like Lost wind up becoming.
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If you think the sideways world won't feed in to the final storyline I think you haven't been paying attention.
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I don't get all the hate for Across the Sea. Personally, I think Jacob and the guy from Deadwood are far more interesting at this point than the majority of the castaways. I'm also sick of the flash forwards to the alternate timeline; they could have been using all of that wasted time to explain some of the things that have already happened instead of showing things that aren't going to happen.
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I want the diamonds that Miles is carrying around from the waste of time "Expose" to be f-ing important. Then "Expose" won't be a waste of time.
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I think that people dont realize that if every mystery is spelled out, the show loses its mystique. its like the allure of a magic show - if you see all the answers it loses the quality that makes it interesting in the first place. people come to lost and expect the show to answer for all of its secrets, when in reality the fact that it doesn't do that is the very quality that makes the show good.
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Even as far into the series as this final season there are clues that they didn't know what they were doing.
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The pilots were from the 70's, they dropped the food but it didn't land until the present day due to the time dilation. If you go through the correct bearings you don't get any dilation.
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Possible, but wouldn't they investigate when they got no updates on any of the science projects for 30 years?
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I'm confused as to why I never got into Lost. Sounds like the kind of thing I'd like, but I just never really got round to it.
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Kitties are funny!!
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What's Lost? Is that one of them new-fangled game shows where people act like idiots for a million dollars?
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I always took it as the main DHARMA never knew that it was over and the others sent some updates. To keep the drops
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It still irks me how the majority of season 3 and a good part of season 2 was spent dealing with the "mothers always die" mystery, and we never got a resolution. since the freighter showed up in season 4, things have been moving really fast and lots of mysteries (plane drop, why the others kidnapped walt and experimented on him) prior to that ... were forgotten. Some, like the whispering, got explained, but it was so rushed and forced feeling that I really had a bad taste in my mouth afterwards.
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So are the pilots now in our time or did they return to their own time when they left the island? And why then did no one else have a time shift when they flew to/sailed to the island? They explained it in the first season saying that they probably didn't realize all the Dharma people were dead and just continued to drop food unabated. Until the explosion, I guess. But who really knows...hence why it is still a mystery.
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The first two seasons were truly epic and I think will be remembered as such. The show went on a slippery slope after that. To be honest, I was totally disappointed with the whole Dharma Initiative. It was so creepy the first to seasons and the Japanese dude on the films. But then when you find out more about DI in the later seasons, it was kind of a let down. Also, it seems to me like the writers had three different shows going on that they chose to make into a mash-up. I think The Plane Crash/Mystery Island storyline would have been much better without the Timetravel and Immortal Good vs Evil storylines. It got too convoluted and messy.
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The food drops were sent by the Hanso/Dharma people as supply drops in the 70's, but since objects coming to the island suffer time-dilation (like the timed missile that Daniel orders from the freighter) the boxes only just now landed.
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The food drop is the one that everyone forgets but has always annoyed me for whatever reason. In the end, I'm ok with them not explaining the majority of the big remaining mysteries. It's better than painstakingly going through the show, line by line, and removing any sense of wonder about the show.
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