• 300 was meh. Watchmen was awesomeface.

• When I watched Superman Returns I was in disbelief the entire time. I actually liked the casting, but I'd already seen the movie when I was a little kid. I don't know what kind of a deal Donner made with Satan, but they will not budge from his idea of Superman and it drives me crazy. Yes, Chris Reeves was kick-ass, but move on. Maybe they'll take some hints from all-star Superman and make a good movie. And maybe there will be a Thanagarian snare-beast in there too. Terrence Stamp was an awesome Zod, but I don't think that can be replicated.

• Sorry, while Superman Returns has a whole bunch of problems, it has nothing to do with the fact that it's tied to the earlier movies. It just had a bad plot for a movie, not enough really happens. Lex's whole scheme would be fine for a sub-plot while something else goes on, but it's just dull for that to be the main issue. The whole Lois and kid subplot was also dumb, but that wouldn't be as much of an issue with better main plot. It really needed another super villian, even if all that it did was provide a distraction for Lex.

• Kinda agree that she wasn't a bad young Lois. Easy on the eyes as well. For what the show is she's perfect for the role. But for a new Superman movie they need proper adult actors that will actually have a screen presence. That was my main gripe with Roth as well. The guy looked like Superman, but hell you could have moved a cardboard cutout around the scene and it would have been just as effective. Everyone is going on about Nolan's involvement will make it a gritty/dark movie. I think the dude is smart enough to understand the subject matter and have the element of hope and pure good that Superman carries. Zack Snyder, as much as you might not like this movies could make a circus midget attractive enough for me to take home and make sweet love to. The dude makes visually stunning movies....you have to give him that at least.

• why won't the movie-verse acknowledge Brainiac? why can't they focus on him? or metallo? or mxyzptlyk, for god's sake? ol' red and blue has got TONS of rogue gallery, and what we got was luthor sans power suit? fuck you, WB!

• I say they should do this... It should be Alien vs Alien. A group of aliens come to Metropolis, one be ing Kalibak. Superman beats Kalibak then bigger threat comes. Darkseid. Why do these Superhero movies not do the sacrificial superfight at the beginning. Like throwing the Rhino into the Spiderman movies for him to whoop up on? That would rock! Throw in a standard Supes character to have him beat up on in the first 10 minutes of the movie.

• Metallo no origin Luthor using Bizarro to discredit Supes and become President Brainiac's skullship Mercy Graves in a leather chauffer outfit

• Rumors say Natalie Portman is in the mix for the Lois Lane part. Don't see how this could happen but it is possible if they free up her schedule and she doesn't show up in Teh Avengers with Joss Whedon. Kind of like the whole Reynolds WB vs. Marvel/Disney thing. Carla Guigno I think would work if they put make up on her and deaged it by about 20 or so years. She can play a much older woman with makeup, so why not younger?

• I say this every time Snyder's work is mentioned: he has all the filmic subtlety of an internet pornographer. This is going to be a bad movie that will appeal to audiences too inured to the aesthetics of misogyny to realize that the movie is shot from a rapist's eye view.

• just make Christian Bale the villain... Not talking about having the villain played by Christian Bale... I mean using Christian Bale AS the villain...

• I'm totally with you Rob. I heard about Snyder and was like... okay I guess, worried about slo-mo and unnecessarily gratuitous violence. Then I heard about Zod and raged a lot as well. Next they'll tell us that Lex will try to help Zod out for his own profit.

• Fuck Zod. Can we get Brainiac on the big screen already? Even all the Smallville morons somewhat know the character. Maybe Braniac can even use some other villains. Of course he'd be using Luthor and maybe a little vice versa, but Brainiac is the most sensible villain and he could really take up the big screen. Of course it'd be nice to have Apokolips and Darkseid looming as a villian for future Superman or JLA movies.

• Well, it'll be hard to beat the dignity and respect Singer brought to the material, and the simple forthright <i>heart</i> in the stories he tells. ...of course, with a new director, at least the characters will actually <i>do</i> something for once. Just like with the <i>last</i> comic series Singer left! <i>Zing!</i> :D

• uhh...Lex Luthor's incredibly stupid plan and the plot-convenient resolution = Elephant in the room. Superman Returns sucked for a myriad of reasons, and being beholden to Donner's film is just skimming the surface.

• That's gonna be weird. I think some things are gonna be changed around with the Superman mythos past 2013 because of that. From what I understand, neither one party will retain all elements of Superman. Showing judges know dick-all about respecting comic history and copyright. As an aside, I'm all for having Zack on this thing. At least it'll be something to look at and not be anything like the shitty thunderous clunk of a Superman movie that we got four years ago. I wanted a Superman movie where Superman was SUPER. What did we get? Secret biological parent Superman and the exciting sequence where he's in the hospital for TWENTY FUCKING MINUTES! Which would expose his newest weakness, outlandish medical debt.

• One other thing: If you have to do Luthor, put Jon Hamm in a bald cap. Everyone should already know why this is a good idea.

• I was just about to say the same thing- why use a villain that was part of a season-long storyline on Smallville? Sure, the TV show and movies have different continuities, but still. Though Nolan (and Heath Ledger) completely re-invented the Joker, so maybe a new Zod could work with the right actor. Then again, Watchmen and 300 weren't exactly "actor's movies"... and how much is the fault of the director and how much is the fault of the actor?

• "The entire problem with Bryan Singer's Superman Returns is that it was slavishly devoted to 1979's Superman movie." Really? I thought the problem was that Singer turned Supes into a metrosexual deadbeat dad who abandoned Lois and the entire population of Earth to go on some navel-gazing road trip to a dead planet. And that he sucked any sense of fun, excitement or heroism from the franchise by plugging the characters into a mopey love triangle.

• This actually fits in with the rumors that have been floating around a while about a Superman movie that goes back to the beginning and delves into the history of Krypton. It's also what's been going on in the Superman comics for like the last two years. Zod, Brainiac, the shrunken bottled city of Kandor becoming New Krypton. It ended with Zod throwing a navy battleship at Superman over Metropolis. If anyone was crazy enough to put that on the big screen it might be Zack Snyder. As for the whole Superman legal battle, this all has to be done by 2012 or 2013 or somewhere thereabouts, before the crap hits the fan (assuming a settlement of some kind isn't reached before then).

• No. Tom Welling will not be given a shot. Right now he's a TV star, not a movie star. Smallville is a fun, but low rent show. WB is hoping to kickstart a major franchise. They'll go with an unknown over Welling.

• Thank you. I thought that I was the only one who could see how profoundly awful 300 was. I mean, yes, everything fits for the comic, but as a stand-alone movie, it's just terrible. Superman's symbolism transcends the actual character, and this is something that I think people are quick to dismiss. The reason why everyone hates Superman is because he's kind of a pretty boy. Which, admittedly, can be pretty boring if left in the wrong hands. But I want a movie that can accurately portray the hope and genuine goodness of what Superman stands for. It's not the character that we fall in love with, it's what he stands for. And the last thing I want is for some director obsessed with visuals to come along and see just a flat character and decide to give him a dark side or some other tired bullshit plot contrivance. That's why I think the Nolan Batman series works so well. He gives us hints into Bruce Wayne's internal struggles and inherent darkness without making him into some brutal Frank Miller nutjob. Symbolism is far more powerful than just some passing image of badassery. If Nolan can reel this Snyder guy back, then I think the movie could work. Otherwise, I am not going to go watch some hyper-visual hot mess of a film.

• +1

• I can only hope there will be no more deep throating the 70's films. That time is over. Time to move on. Give us a Superman that kicks so much ass, the audience can't help but pee themselves in excitement.

• Can someone please send Nolan and Snyder a copy of Who's Who, or better yet, just forward them the below link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_villains

• All I can say is Thank Rao the rumors about Mark Millar writing the script turned out to be completely untrue.

• Awww...I wanted Brainiac. What he lacks in punching he makes up for in metal tentacles, lasers and other technojunk.

• If there is Zod, there has to be Non and Ursa, I wonder who they would get to play them?, maybe Vinnie Jones for Non and Jaimie Alexander(Sif in new Thor movie) for Ursa Thoughts?

• Obviously Zod is coming back because hollywood has no real concept of Superman's history or the cast of characters in his 70+ year history. Don't know why anyone would give a shit at this point. I didn't see the last one, I sure as fuck won't see the next.

• Cool, Snyder can actually choreograph a fight scene you can follow- maybe he'll give pointers to Nolan. On the subject of a Villain, I'd love to see the same actor who plays Supes play Bizarro.

• The short reasons for Zod again? 1) Compared to the other Superman villains, he's less expensive to realize on film because he doesn't require makeup or computer rendering. 2) People know him, mostly because of Superman II and to a lesser extent Smallville. 3) While Snyder is a good choice with a proven track record, Warners probably still wants to play it safe and not take any chances in the wake of Superman Returns. But trust me, if this does very well, then you can bet Snyder will give us the truly crazy villains like Brainiac, Parasite and maybe even Doomsday.

• oh boy, I hope they do his origin story!

• That's what I'm thinking as well. I don't care who the villain is, as long as Superman can really throw down. Someone with equal invulnerability and strength? Hell yes, that's gonna be a battle royal.

• oh if only Zach Efron plays Khan....

• agree but you gotta admit Erica Durance makes a hell of a Lois

• LMAO!!! Bravo, man, bravo!!! We should try to start a flashmob of people ready to flaunt authority by hurling feces at the screen!! I, for one, am willing to do this to stand up for the principles of anti-suck-itude in comic book movies!!!

• Zack Snyder's gone good work redeeming works the of hacks and no-talents like Romero, Moore and Miller. I look forward to seeing Superman battle offensively ethnic-stereotyped, armored zombie owls led by a 9-feet-tall, piercing-freak Zod, preferrably to some recognizable alt-rock or classic rock songs.

• I thought all of the legal shit happening with the Schuster estate was supposed to prevent this movie from happening?

• I dislike everything Snyder has been involved with but I'm okay with this because I already felt ambivalent about a new Supes movie, and now I feel okay not caring at all.

• Or Gerard Butler. "THIS...IS...KRYPTON!"

• On a positive note, at least this means Superman will have a villain with actual super powers to fight. And with Snyder directing it the fights should at least be decent.

• How about we replace General Zod, with Gorilla Grodd, sounds almost the same and is much more awesome. Time to find the location of the script and make some covert edits...

• Oh Mighty Cthulhu, let no one in Hollywood read that and think it's a good idea.

• Superman II was great because, given the limitations of filmmaking technology, we were given big, huge Superman style fights. With today's film tech, there is no reason why Superman can't fight a huge villain.

• Yay for Snyder,boo because Superman is a terrible character.

• If Tom Welling is Superman for this movie I happily be banned from my local cinema for life and face jail time for shitting in my hand and throwing it at the screen. The kids acting chops are comparable to a chimpanzee. That added to the fact Smallville has single handedly killed the DC universe for me by turning it into the OC.

• We'll probably get the superman/doomsday (comics)/superman/darkseid (jlu) "punch somebody so hard all the windows shatter in super slow mo," too, so there's that.

• The problem is that you've got a lot of people in Hollywood who only "get" the 70s movies as their vision of Superman - so in addition to Zod, we're still going to get nerdy Clark, for instance. Give it another fifteen years, and then the kids who grew up with STAS as their image of Superman will have control and we'll actually have some good ideas.

• No, this time their doing something really original - Zod is the foreclosure eviction muscle - - that's how we know he's evil, he makes little children cower behind their parents!

• I really hope Zod has a Real Estate scheme up his sleeve.

• I don't care much either way, as long as, as you say, superman gets to hit people. give me three big fights (supes wins the first one, gets his ass kicked the second and whups ass the third).

• Kevin Smith's "Superman Lives" was a pretty terrific script that with a little polish under Nolan's supervision should be the next Superman. Goyer and Snyder can only take the franchise deeper into photorealistic graphicly violent Batman territory... Isn't it obvious to everyone by now that Superman is a character for viewers from 6 to 60? We've already seen that Superman as a shit that has unprotected sex with a woman, bails for 5 years, and flies off abandoning his kid does not work for audiences. Superman isn't Batman... and making him that to appeal to 15 year-olds and anti-social 30 year-olds as 15 year-olds is a loosing strategy.

• Good you can join my above mentioned Grodd lobby, need to start a petition to replace Zod with Grodd.

• Terrible. I like this idea about as much as I like the notion of bringing Khan back in the next Star Trek movie.

• I'm sick of Zod! Amazing how Donner took a minor villain and built him up to this insane level of popularity. I'd rather see Brainiac using some method to create Titano. I'd pay good money to see Superman fight a giant ape with kryponite eyebeams... hell I'd pay to just see Superman fight a giat ape!

• So can we go ahead and assume Liam Neeson is Zod?

• Snyder, who has made decent movies, loves him some ass kicking. Nolan, who has made some great flicks, "likes" ass kickery, but has come up short in delivering a truly great ass kick type scene. Maybe together they can deliver a Superman ass whoop scene on the level of Justice League Unlimited's Superman v Captain Marvel or Superman v Darkseid. If they can deliver that via live action, I'm all good. Oh, and cast a woman as Lois Lane this time. That flat, big foreheaded boy that Spacey convinced Singer to hire, just ain't cuttin' it.

• At least all the bad guys mentioned, plus Zod, have been part of Smallville. Have they cast Superman yet, assuming Brandon Routh isn't going back into the role? If not, any chance they'll give Tom Welling a shot? It'd be a logical transition...you could also bring Erica Durrance and Michael McKean along as Lois and Perry White, and just keep the established Smallville crew together. Plus it gives you a lot of the actors for a Justice League movie...just add Christian Bale, Ryan Reynolds, and cast a Wonder Woman (which if they're doing another live-action TV show, they'll be doing) and you're mostly set.

• Slow-motion everywhere (except where it's needed), Lois hot-babe, sups body-builded metrosexual (like Brandon Routh but with muscles), out of subject 80's songs choices, Snyder is a jerk. He made illusion thanks of the Miller and Moore material, but he is a mess.

• I hated 300, but Watchmen was well done. As for Zod... yeah. Not caring. I've seen that movie.

• Kneel before Zod!

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