Sorry I was chopping up some onions while watching this. I hope @Caroline Perez does not chop up any onions while watching this either.
The departure of Amy and Rory in the mid-season finale of Doctor Who was a bit too abrupt for me to be truly devastated, although it was sad. But it turns out it could have been emotionally devastating, had they included a certain scene which was never shot. In it, Rory's dad gets a letter from his son, and -- you know what? Here's a video of the scene via storyboards, so you can just watch it.
If you'll excuse me, I have a little something in my eye. And that something is INFINITE SADNESS. (Via Blastr)
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The episode that got rid of them was really damned terrible. It seemed to just be slapped together to wrap their leaving into some kind of a half thought out story.
Can we get more of Kate Stewart tho? I liked her in the one about the boxes. She made that whole episode.
I'm just thrilled to be rid of them. They've been part of a rather abysmal period in Who, though, to be fair, I think it has more to do with Moffat than them.
im sorry but this is still bollox.
For what reason exactly cant Rory and Amy go back to England?
For what reason cant Rory and Amy not be able to contact the doctor?
A badly written episode is a badly written episode. No excuses.
@megalan I wouldn't say I hated it as much as you do, but I agree it doesn't make much sense.
even if they have to die in the past doesn't mean they have to stay there forever. they tried to explain why the doctor cant go get them by saying the time stream in that time and place is messed up but that only explains why he cant go around that time.
there's no reason he couldn't go see them after they've been there for five years or something. and pick them up for an adventure before dropping them back in that time.
@megalan sorry - any episode that gets rid of those characters is great in my book - just glad that they're finally gone
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I honestly don't find the Ponds' departure all that sad. Yes, this would have been an excellent and very emotional scene, and I love the idea that they finally adopted, but the Ponds got one of the best exits of any companion in new Who. They got to live their entire lives together, well and happily. They even get to (with this scene) say goodbye to their loved ones. They got to remember their time with the Doctor and look back fondly on it while still moving forward and having their lives as a married couple. I enjoyed their run, and I'll miss them (ok, that's not entirely true--I'll miss Rory.), but I felt that their ending was satisfying and bittersweet rather than crushingly depressing, and this scene only adds to that in my opinion.SO excited for a new companion, though--I feel like it'll breathe some much-needed life into the plot. The past 5 episodes were fun, but seemed to meander in an effort to stretch Amy and Rory's departure out to the end of the half season.
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@rabidronnie I'll disagree only to say that the show has been treading water for two whole seasons because they wouldn't get rid of characters. Their arc was done. It was over. It refused to end, pointlessly.
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@Gallen_Dugall I suppose, though I liked some of the developments over the past few seasons, but you have to admit these five episodes have been even more so. It was as though the writing team finally settled on a date to say farewell to the Ponds and then stared at the blank slates for four other episodes and sort of shrugged and said, "What do we do until then?"Don't get me wrong, I've liked a lot of the moments in this half-season, but the plot seems to have come to a full stop with the exception of some very minor details (e.g.: the doctor erasing himself from history)In unrelated news, did anybody else notice the repeated mention of the Doctor having a Christmas List in these episodes? Think that'll play out in the special?
@rabidronnie I didn't notice that - cool. I liked the episodes fine - they would have been better if there had been characters in them who had an arc.
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Guess I'll be the guy to point this out.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't the whole thing about them getting zapped by the angel meant to put them back in the harvesting building? Where they were trapped and wouldn't be able to leave, let alone adopt a kid?
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@seansamonas No, the building was gone. They were just stuck in the past time with no where else to go - No record of them in UK but they could blend in pretty well among the other refugees coming into NYNY at that time - plus with Rory's med skills I'm sure he would have done very well, much higher relative wages back then.
@Gallen_Dugall See, I thought that the building went back though, because the whole point of them building disappearing was that they didn't send Rory back in time. Him and Amy jumping off of the building caused the paradox that destroyed the building.
But since the angel did send him back in time, that would resolve the paradox and restore the building and everything back to what it should be, right?
Ugh...wibbely-wobbely timey-wimey indeed.
@seansamonas @Gallen_Dugall Well when he's talking about jumping off the building to change the future I was thinking, "Well old Rory died holding Amy's hand with his left hand, if so much is at stake first try (I know it's hard) cutting off the left hand. At least start with something that would keep you alive first?
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@Gallen_Dugall @seansamonas It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, though. The Doctor says he can't go back but go back, but to where and when, exactly? He couldn't go to 1938 (or whatever) but what about a year later/ or five years later? Why not go to Washington in 1940 and pop down to New York to see them?
I know, I know, wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey. But still...
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@Bearr @Gallen_Dugall @seansamonas There is like a million ways to easily fix their problem. Even the, we read words of my future and now it's final thing, has major flaws. Even if he couldn't jump to anyplace on Earth from 1938 you can't tell me the Doctor couldn't land on another planet and flown or hitched a ride to Earth. Pick them up in 5 or 10 years when time-currents-whatever have settled. He could get there before they arrive, set up a house for them. give them a meeting place. THEY COULD CALL EACH OTHER ON THE FREAKING CELLPHONES!!!!
It's one of those things where they wanted to give Amy & Rory a happy ending and a believable reason why the Doctor wouldn't be seeing them. Although without this scene, as Rose has shown us, they are as permanently gone as whatever writer needs them to be.
@Gallen_Dugall @seansamonas Ah no, it doesn't bother me enough that I demand a full explanation, I just thought that maybe I'd missed something. I'm used to Who not making sense all the time. I
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@Bearr @seansamonas No, you're right, it doesn't make airtight sense. The show often doesn't make "a lot" of sense. I would guess that the Who EU would address this at length if you're curious. Frankly I give this all a pass since I'm so glad they're gone and the show can move on with characters who can have character arcs.
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Yup, better than a gravestone closeup. Although frankly I wish Amy and Rory had left after the whole lost baby fiasco to which they reacted in a wholly unbelievable and inappropriate way... as if those episodes were changed after they were written in order to make a longer arc and shoe horn River Song into them, mind you I like River Song both the character and the actress, it just felt wrong ever since then. I've been waiting for the show to move on from Rory and Amy. Also glad the whole "When I was a little girl" intro is gone.
@EliasAlgorithm Clearly you do not "get it" because I don't hate the characters. For the past two seasons we've had characters with no room for character growth (because they were already at the end of their arc) and so could provide nothing substantive to any story they were in. The result was a lot of stories that were okay, fine and alright.
@cyvaris It's actually a lot harder and way more painful than it looks - you have to go pretty deep which makes it difficult - anyway I don't recommend it.
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@Gallen_Dugall Found that out the hard way, dammit I keep getting blood on my keyboard!!
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Darn player wouldn't work for me so I had to go to YouTube:
That was incredible and really should have been in the end of the episode. Very emotional scene.
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Great, now I'm all depressed and sad due to this just to get my childhood raped in the worst kind of way in a few hours... Happy 30th He-Man! (Here's hoping that today's FFF does not involve He-Man and Chriostopher Colombus)
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This scene should totally have been in the episode instead of wasting our time with all that River Song stupidity. Ditto the film noir stuff at the beginning - it was neat and a good hook but really the focus of the episode should have been Amy and Rory's departure and this would have been a satisfying coda and really driven the point home. But I'm sure they were thinking - "Hey, great DVD extra!" Sigh.
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/*Someguy writes comment: Take 10*/
I would have liked that scene, if for no other reason I've been wondering about Rory's dad.
While the, "I'll never get to see you again because of ___", cheat of this episode kind of goofy, this scene would have been good.
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...well, I didn't need to feel happy today. I'm just gonna sit here until the gross sobbing stops.
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Brilliant. Wish this had been in the actual episode instead of some of the bits with the Statue of Liberty. Most affecting scene (and effective tearjerker) since Donna's memory being erased
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@lost_limey My viewing partner and I had a great time imagining the Statue of Liberty tiptoeing across Manhattan hoping and praying no one was driving the streets, walking the sidewalks, or looking out a window.
@Mike_Pants @lost_limey Isn't The Angels defense mechanism to turn to stone? And isn't the Statue of Liberty made of copper and wrought iron?
So how could it be an angel?
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@Mike_Pants Yeah, it's kind of hard to imagine there's ever a time in the "City That Never Sleep"s where at least one pair of eyes isn't on Lady Liberty.
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@thorshammer @lost_limey That makes so much sense. Of course, that does not bode well for every person who's ever taken a picture of it...
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@thorshammer @lost_limey @Mike_Pants Wow, that...really clears up several problems with that concept. Just...wow. Well done.
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@lost_limey @Mike_Pants I just assumed it came out of the Statue of Liberty Picture in the Elevator.
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I really wish this had made it into the episode. My eyes are watering just from the storyboards.
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Damn. I barely know Dr. Who, much less their latest adventures if only by references and spoilers here and there. And just like that, in barely 5 minutes, this scene made my eyes watery. No more to say.
