I loved this movie. It was total bullshit from start to finish but super fun bullshit all the way. Violent movies usually annoy me by having the good guy be too good for everybody's own good. Letting down his guard, trusting when he shouldn't etc... This one did not, Mike is a nasty son of a bitch you do not want after you. He'll tell you, "I am going to stick a knife in your head" and later, oh look, knife in your head. And I can't recall ever seeing bad guys just beat the living shit out of an old lady. You really want them dead after that, I mean, damn. They really beat the crap out of her.
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An accident happens - it's not immediately visually clear how - and Banning is able to save the president's life, but not, shall we say, with optimum results all around. So when we flip to 18 months later (indicated primarily by young Connor ditching the glasses and the wig he was wearing prior), Banning is no longer part of the president's personal protectors - not that he ever should have been, as a best friend who likes punching the guy in the face, but y'know, whatever. We also learn that he told the Speaker of the House to go fuck himself, which is particularly bad due to the fact that said speaker is Morgan Freeman.
And then North Koreans take over the White House. Yes, North Koreans. They are all master-ninjas in this alternate reality, led by Rick Yune's master-terrorist Kang. Some of them are also suicide bombers, because the screenwriters don't give a shit about which of America's enemies are which. And their planes have secret pop-out weapons like MASK vehicles, which catch the U.S. air force totally by surprise. Really, they're more like VENOM than Kim Jong-Un's actual army.

After a massive firefight, and a tasteless bit in which the enemy plane crashes into the Washington Monument, only to have it collapse moments later like the WTC in miniature, Banning enters the White House through one of the holes blown into its side, and with the president sealed into the secret underground bunker with Kang, Banning is now the only inside man. In a blatant attempt to one-up John McClane, his black friend on the outside in this instance is the acting president, who is also...you guessed it...Morgan Freeman (the audience in my screening cheered maybe the loudest when he got sworn in).
Further cementing the fact that this is an alternate reality, we get MSNBC pundit Lawrence O'Donnell playing the news anchor on a network called KGDV, and at least one of the North Koreans has long hair and a beard. The CG flag the baddies toss of the roof flutters fakely on its way down, but who cares. Are you here to see Gerard Butler smash a man's head in with a bust of Lincoln and say things like, "Why don't you and I play a game of fuck off. You first!" or aren't you?
You don't have to answer that question in a public forum.
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The only thing you forgot to mention, Luke, is how uber patriotic this movie is. Reminded me of those Peanuts movie moments when everything going on stops and you just see the American flag and shit (did I see some 4th of July special or where all the Peanuts cartoons like that?) But I digress, when characters are getting the shit beaten out of them and they are saying how much they love their country, you know this movie has a clear agenda. (not that the other things you mention don't factor in, this just drives the point home harder than those knives to the head)
I was glad GI Joe didn't have this ultra patriotic message, I enjoyed that more than this, I guess this conservative's wet dream just wasn't for me, ultra violence and what not, I guess I am getting old...
@hum_ole only a "conservative's wet dream" in the modern way that both conservative and liberal have become utterly meaningless terms co-opted by different breeds of radical totalitarians
At the end of this movie, I'm imagining Superman standing on top of the White House and saying, "Sorry I let you down, Mr. President. It won't happen again."
But when he flies off, his cape flapping in the wind, we realize, oh, it's not Superman, it's that 300 guy with the weird chubby/muscular face and the accent.
I thought they quit with the Die Hard ripoffs back in the mid to late 90s. And, man, those were tough years. Never mind the actual movies, but every TV series ever made had to do their Die Hard episode. I honestly thought we'd moved past that over a decade ago.
BTW, it was First Blood more than Rambo that featured the PTSD. Rambo was nothing but an emotionless killing machine by the second movie.
@OneMinuteGalactica Oh, I get that. My point was that Rambo could be accused of trivializing it (after the first movie took it seriously)
@Nicnac the real targets should be the hollywoodians, for their various crimes against nerdom (michael fucking bay) and producing stuff like this flick
@DrAbraxas @Nicnac @LYT sure he was. "Louder, faster. Louder, faster!" He beat these directives into the heads of Neeson, Mcgregor, Samuel L., Portman, etc. until they managed to make themselves look like CW rejects. Very effective.
@Nicnac @LYT @DrAbraxas impossible, that would imply lucas is an effective director
@LYT @DrAbraxas @Nicnac I would imagine Lucas made the actors do the accents, and kept crafting them to the perfection we see in the finished movies.
@DrAbraxas @Nicnac In fairness, the script probably doesn't specify the accents. Jar Jar's stupid dialect, yes.
@Nicnac @DrAbraxas not to mention the explosion of jewish stereotypes watto was supposed to represent. my god, lucas, what the fuck got into the double chin of yours the day you scribbled the phantom menace???
@DrAbraxas @Nicnac Well China rules Hollywood decisions so I presume the Neimodians will now have 'Korean' accents.
@DrAbraxas @Nicnac As long as the damn space bunny is out of the picture.
Sorry in keeping with the theme... the damn Jamaican space bunny.
People do get that this is still basically a positive review, right?
@LYT it's mindless; if only the replaced the no'reans with aliens it could have aired on "syfy"
My understanding is that having aliens doesn’t really matter anymore… My version of that channel here in Canada (called Space) just started advertising that they are going to start running Castle… because Castle is totally science fiction/fantasy… right?
RIGHT???
It’s got Nathan Fillian in it. I like him and the show… but … but…
Oh never mind.
@haldan @DrAbraxas @LYT well i guess all things considered, to hollywood and their ilk, the no'reans are as close to aliens as you can get on earth
wait a minute, you mean those are the actual posters created by the production itself? i could have done better with MSPAINT
Does it say something about the current state of America that we're willing to accept a nation smaller than most states being able to bring the US to our knees?
I think I prefer GI Joe Retaliation's take on the Koreans, turning them into the butt of the joke by Pryce in the trailers (and from the looks of it, also the pre-credits jobbers).
I mean, I know they're being used because Hollywood movies don't show up in Korea whereas China is a massive market now, but... it's pretty ridiculous to think that they're supposed to be taken as a threat in terms of conventional warfare.
This movie should have been the next Die Hard, John Mclane is on a White house Tour when the terrorists attack and he has to save the day. Much better than that POS A good day to die hard.
This is something that bugs me...
We mock North Korea day in and day out, and hey, it's fine because they're cartoonishly villainous AND inept. But every time a movie casts the North Korean army as "Possibly bad," it gets denounced as racist.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
In fact, I have to ask this - since it's apparently an unfair stereotype to have North Korea as "the bad guys," is there some sort of large movement ot cast thema s wonderfully heroic and benevolent? Like, the nation gets a bad rap? Or amybe America is more oppressive, or something?
@ridureyu Basically you are correct. The stereotype is the result of a comprehensive Chinese propaganda effort that has been ongoing for decades to 1) disassociate N Korea from its Chinese masters and 2) provide a scapegoat for any skulduggery China wants done.
@Gallen_Dugall So that's why it's racist to make North Korea the bad guys, despite the fact that they've actually threatened to nuke the US?
@Hiro @East_Threadly @LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall :cough:lastairbender:cough:
@East_Threadly @LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall Back in the day? Hollywood still whitewashes roles today, regularly casting white actors to play Asian characters, and studio executives and casting directors get perturbed when anyone calls them out on it.
@LYT @ridureyu @East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall THough granted, I run into "those people" way too often.
Did I ever tell you my District 9 story?
@LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall Thank you, LYT, for pointing that out. It seems that so few people, particularly those who aren't of Asian descent, see just how discriminatory most portrayals of Asians are. Furthermore, people who aren't of Asian descent often see no difference between Asians and Asian-Americans. They lump all "Asians" into one pile and view them all as foreigners and/or immigrants.
It doesn't help that most portrayals of people of Asian descent in Hollywood movies subscribe to longheld stereotypes. Red Dawn and Olympus Has Fallen are but two recent examples.
Most people who say, "Oh, it's no big deal, get over it" about such matters are either not of Asian descent or simply don't have the slightest clue as to how such dehumanizing stereotypes affects people of Asian descent.
@ridureyu Cliff Curtis probably has a lot to say on the topic, being a Maori who often plays Arabs.
@LYT@ridureyu@East_Threadly@Gallen_Dugall But back in the day, we had this
@ridureyu @East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall I have to be honest and say I've never heard that complaint, and I live in Hollywood. The complaint is the notion that Chinese and North Koreans are visually interchangeable.
I DID hear cries of racism against Black Hawk Down because Somalis are black. That one struck me as silly.
@LYT @troi Well yeah, that is silly. But then, it's not like we don't cast British actors as German bad guys, Mexicans as Italians, Italians as Mexicans... or really, fake-any nationality.
You know, we love Die Hard, but Hans Gruber is about as German as Paddington Bear.
@ridureyu @East_Threadly @troi mmmm bog.... goes down smooth.
The best selling brand is called "Snow Beer". You can get it in some places in the U.S. , but it's a Chinese market. By far the biggest seller.
@troi Absolutely the logic. The implication that the Chinese and NK's are interchangeable visually offends some, though. Mainly because it isn't really true.
@East_Threadly @troi Also someone saying, "Hey, does the Chinese government ban movies they don't like?"
@East_Threadly @troi It's going to be Alamo, Duff, or Pawtucket Patriot. One of those three...
@troi Korean is a distinct ethnicity from Chinese and Japanese and other East Asian groups, though. But that doesn't matter - it counts as "racism against all Asians."
@troi That is exactly the reason. Someone said, "Hey, do Chinese people watch movies?" Turns out, Fuck and yes.
Trivia TIME! What's the best selling brand of beer in the world?
@LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall I thought the logic of changing the flags from Chinese to North Korean was that somebody figured that it would be hard to sell a movie with Chinese bad guys in China.
@ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall @East_Threadly I keep saying though, North Korean is not a race, the South Korean people hate those fucks. North Korea isn't invading anyplace, except South Korea. They certainly aren't coming to America, that is absurd on many levels.
@Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu @East_Threadly I dunno, once you're accused of racism, it's pretty much over...
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall But every time a movie says "Hey, North Korea might invade us if they had the chance," the response is "No, that's racist. Don't ever criticize North Korea! America is bad. America is the most oppressive country in the world. North Korea is a paradise!" (that last part is hyperbole)
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall They've been saber-rattling against the west and America specifically more than anything we've seen since the worst parts of the Cold War, although it's arguable that they couldn't back it up if they've tried... Their government is horribly oppressive, and they're like cartoon villains about it. Even China is happy with letting their ally take the heat for everything. Seriously, it's like the nation has set itself up to be our go-to bad guys for movies.
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu The thing that gets me is (long multi-part post)...
Yeah, China is really tied economically to the West now - they have us by the balls, but so do we, so we can't afford to offend them any more than they could afford to stop taking our money. But that's another story. North Korea is one of the worst places to live outside of certain spots in Africa and South America (and honestly, it's worse than pretty much all of those)...
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu TR isn't letting me reply anymore. It keeps locking up when I press "post comment..."
@Gallen_Dugall @East_Threadly @ridureyu I do very often turn up my nose during movie trailers and exclaim:
"Well I never!"
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu I generally expect that most people who visit this site are too smart and too well informed to be considered a target audience for any Hollywood product
@Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu @East_Threadly Don't forget "Full Metal Jacket"
Of course, that was Kubrick... mostly yeah, they are pretty shallow
@ridureyu @East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall I stopped taking broad "accusations" seriously in the '80s. Anyone expecting a serious mature take on anything from Hollywood is going to be disappointed - entertainment of the sort Hollywood produces panders to one shallow point of view or another.
@LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall that's not fair - the Warsaw pact was a multinational multi-ethnic force, heck "Russia" is multinational and multi-ethnic so...
@ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall For Hollywood? I don't ever expect to see a mature take on war from Hollywood. You either get shallow cheerleading or shallow nay-saying. This looks like the former.
@LYT @East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu Yeah, the various Asian ethnicities are all distinct, just like how you can tell the difference between British, irish, German, Icelandic, Southern US, Northeastern US, etc. (usually)
@East_Threadly @Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu Korean and Chinese and Japanese are distinct, though, if not always to western eyes.
@ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall Actually, that is what happened in the Red Dawn remake...and the original Red Dawn.
@Gallen_Dugall @ridureyu So... what's the solution, then? We can only be invaded by a multi-ethnic coalition of nations?
@East_Threadly @LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall great documentary - financed covertly by China
@ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall racism is just a form of stereotyping - it's always wrong to stereotype although not for the generally accepted reasons of being morally wrong - it closes people off to ideas and possibilites
@LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall North Korea is a terrifying place.
Anyone here with Netflix, I recommend "Inside North Korea" a great documentary
@ridureyu @LYT @Gallen_Dugall They were supposed to be Chinese in Red Dawn, and then the flags were all digitally altered. Again, the logic being all Asians look alike so you need only flip the flag.
@LYT @ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall But they weren't inscrutable martial arts masters in Red Dawn, and that one received the same criticism - it was a racist movie.
@ridureyu @Gallen_Dugall It's not racist to make them the bad guys. It's racially dubious to make them embody the stereotypes of the inscrutable martial arts masters that they are absolutely not - it implies all Asians look and act the same.
Especially if you can't even get right the fact that North koreans have specific, government-mandated haircuts



