By Alicia Ashby
DC Comics is giving Wonder Woman a big push these days. She’s co-starring in their new weekly book, Trinity, where Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza carefully explain how she’s one of the three superheroes who are more important than everyone else in the universe. She’s got a new direct-to-DVD animated series coming up, penned by fan-favorite comic book writer Gail Simone… who, hey, is finally salvaging something readable out of the 2006 relaunch of DC’s monthly Wonder Woman comic book.
You’d think people would in a frenzy of Wonder-mania, the same as we were during the great Superman media blitz that preceded the mediocre Superman Returns, or the Batman blitz that predated the total rad Dark Knight flick. And yet, and yet… look, let’s be honest: nobody cares about any of this. Nobody really cares about Wonder Woman. There have been times in the past when people sort of cared about her for awhile, but it’s wishful thinking to say she’s as important—or even as interesting—as Superman or Batman just because she’s nearly as old.
In fact, here are ten reasons why nobody really cares about Wonder Woman, even if they say they do. At best, people care about all the things that Wonder Woman could be, but isn’t, thanks to the character’s long history of editorial mismanagement, bizarrely bad writing, and a near-total lack of focus.
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10) Madame, Please Put on Some Pants
Let’s start with a basic problem, the character’s look. Wonder Woman’s costume, much like Superman and Batman, hasn’t really changed that much since her Golden Age appearances. If you don’t believe me, then check out the cover of the first issue of her Golden Age series…
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… and the cover of the first issue of her recent relaunch.
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See? The shorts have become more a star-spangled leotard and the bustier designs are slightly different, but that’s it. This is something of a problem.
While the original, Golden Age Wonder Woman comics expressed little more than a wistful desire for something like a feminist movement (with spankings!) to happen, Feminism has become a real-world concept between then and now. Women dress differently now, for different reasons, and ideas about what a woman’s outfit expresses have changed.
In the '40s, a woman in short-shorts was telling you she was no housewife! She was going to go out and do all kinds of unladylike things that involved exercise and possibly building muscle. In the 90’s, a woman who’s rolling into battle wearing a leotard resembles… um… nothing so much as an extremely angry underwear model.
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9) There Are No Great Wonder Woman Stories
If a friend of yours is getting interested in superheroes and asks for some really great story recommendations, what kind of thing are you going to tell your buddy to read? You’ll probably recommend stand-alone, influential stories featuring minimal continuity and big-name creators at the top of their game. If you buddy likes Batman, you’ll send him to The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year 100, or The Killing Joke. If it’s Superman, you can point your pal at Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Red Son, or Secret Identity. If it’s Wonder Woman… uh...
… shit. The best Wonder Woman ever manages is coming along for the ride in big universe-wide stories like Kingdom Come and New Frontier, or weirdo costume dramas like Wonder Woman: Amazonia. In terms of stories that would actually make you think Wonder Woman is a great character? Apparently DC’s got absolutely nothin’.
8) In Fact, Most Wonder Woman Comics Are Completely Terrible

Where Wonder Woman has seen the bulk of her superhero action has been in her solo comics, and as a member of assorted Justice clubs over the years. When she’s hanging around with a team, Wonder Woman tends to just be a bruiser who’s also good at restraining and extracting information from people. In an anthology, her solo stories could be a bizarre if welcome change of pace.
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In her monthly comic, which DC doggedly struggles to keep in publication, Wonder Woman tends to be at her worst. There have been good runs, most modern and heavily revisionist, by the likes of George Perez, Greg Rucka, and the aforementioned Gail Simone… but the vast majority of classic Wonder Woman comic book stories are absolute dreck, and often to a far greater degree than your run-of-the-mill bad comics. I mean, just look at some of this shit. It’s like DC was hiring twelve-year-olds, and not talented ones like Jim Shooter, either.
7) Golden Age Wonder Woman Comics Were Really, Really Terrible

Now, Wonder Woman is bad throughout most of her “classic” period, which gives modern writers precious little to draw upon when trying to make her modern comics interesting. It’s not a case of her Silver Age being degenerate from more promising Golden Age adventures, either. If you go back to the original Wonder Woman comics done by her original creators… Jesus Christ. A Golden Age Superman or Batman story may be crude, but there’s still something fundamentally recognizable about it. You can imagine how the characters got from that old Point A to their shiny, modern Point B.
Wonder Woman’s Golden Age books are hallucinogenic nightmares of bad plot, arbitrary story, and lots of loving depictions of fetishistic behavior that are just quaint and ridiculous now. From the lousy lettering to the bad writing to the poorly-composed artwork, I’d be tempted to say that Golden Age Wonder Woman comics are just unreadable to the modern fan. Check out the examples below, and bear in mind that almost every single Golden Age Wonder Woman story is exactly this crude and insane in almost every single panel of every page.

And there are hundreds of them.
6) Her Lasso of Bondage

Wonder Woman’s signature weapon is her magic lasso, which modern writers desperately struggle to make interesting. It’s unbreakable, and can compel you to tell the truth, and would be appropriate for roughly a 4th-level campaign in D&D. Sometimes it’s almost sad how eager modern creators are to get more martial, interesting-looking weapons like swords and spears into Wonder Woman’s hands.
I can’t blame them, though. We covered a lot of the god-awful goofy baggage Wonder Woman’s terrible Silver and Golden Age comics saddle her with, but the Golden Lasso is probably the worst. You see, in the Golden Age, the Lasso compelled you to obey Wonder Woman’s commands. In part, this is because Wonder Woman was an agent of Aphrodite tasked with ending violence, and in part because her creator William Moulton Marston had some incredibly unusual ideas about world peace.
You see, “Charles Moulton”, as he signed his comic, had some very loving relationships that involved women he adored tying him up and probably spanking him. Somehow he moved from his own personal enjoyment to deciding that if the entire world could adopt a similar domination/submission fetish, the result would be world peace. Everyone would either have loving subbies to lovingly dominate, or be lovingly vice versa.

So, well… the comics are full to the brim with bizarre, uncomfortable shit like this.
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I don't think WW is a bad character. Hokey stuff and all, it's just that she's never consistent. It's not like Superman and Batman in the 60s didn't have their share of extreme hokiness. If DC would ever let the ongoing title writers have the same lattitude as her Elseworld writers, we'd probably have had more memorable runs in her own title. As far as her cartoon JL incarnation being better than her comic self, a lot of DC characters seem to run better in other media than in hte comics for some reason.
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The tittle is a little presumptuous!
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"Women dress differently now, for different reasons, and ideas about what a woman’s outfit expresses have changed. " Nah, same human-biology erotophobia and anti-humanism; now they call themselves Progressives instead of Pietists. Keeping in mind that she's fictional, Wonder Woman is attractive, sexy, feminine, physically powerful; she is capable of enjoying or ignoring the attention of men. She dresses in skimpy clothes because 1) she's practically invulnberable; 2) she looks good in it. It's only the PC pseudo-Feminists who have a problem with real women. They think women should act like men!
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you list polo as a favorite sport ... stfu ... you've got nothing to say about anything if you think that's a sport
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I rather like the pro wrestling parallel drawn at the end. This article is almost reminiscent of the quintessential online wrestling fan detailing why so-and-so doesn't deserve the World Heavyweight Championship, and I mean that in the nicest way possible.
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this article is one persons thoughts and feelings, everytime you wrote everyone you include everyone on this planet and you are wrong. even the title of this article is Wrong.
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Excellent article. I was raised and lived in Poland, on the other side of iron curtain. After communism and censorship fallen, everything imported from west - from Mickey Mouse too James Bond become - very popular. This includes superhero comic books as well - pop culture icons like Batman, Superman, Spider-man had their own monthly books in Poland. Many other less popular guys like Thor, Green Lantern, Blade, Ghost Rider, had at least one or two stories published. But- until recently - I never even heard about WW. And this is not because female heroes are unpopular in my country - poeple know who Lara Croft is, who is Xena, Buffy, Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley. All those ladies are well known in my country, even if they don't have huge fan base. Wonder Woman from the other hand... nothing, zip zero nada! Hell, even failed Tv series like "Birds of pray" and "Witchblade" were aired in my country, but not WW. Why? Simply because there is no recent TV series and movies with her. I see how immensely popular she is... Reason why she is not popular is this: she is Mary Sue. She is simply perfect in everything: have powers and attributes of not one but several greek gods, she is excellent hand too hand combatant, she wrote a book, she is princess raised on Paradise Isle, she was diplomat for her people, on top of that she is attractive and all though she is a warrior she is also compassionate. And rumors has it that her tears cure cancer but of course she never cries. ;) She is worst example of Mary Sue thatn Alice form this awful "Resident Evil" movies- perfect in everything.
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Ever read DC's "Bird of Prey", perchance? Especially the wonderful Gail Simone's run. Plenty of strong and multi-dimensional superheroines in there (Black Canary, Oracle, Huntress, and so on). The current Question. The current Batwoman.
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your opinion sucks
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Amazing response, and very honest, Honest Tom ;) I mean I'm pretty sure this is why a lot of guys don't like her. unfortunately they haven't grasped that everything that is female wasn't actually designed for the express purpose of catering to their masturbatory needs.
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great comment will. :)
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This is such a negative article! Has everyone lost their ability to associate terms like "golden age of comics" to their spot on the timeline? 1940s people. Good comment, Bobbi.
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ain't her fault, man!
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bravo. thanks for standing up for her. especially the point about her sexuality. it seems to be the only thing that matters to guys when it comes to female heroes, or on a scale from 1 to 10 how fuckable they are. i've always admired her, and honestly wasn't aware that she was disliked, at any level!
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seriously! people think she hates men? she doesn't! she doesn't hate, period! honestly i think most of these people haven't read any wonder woman.
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seriously! i wasn't aware that people didn't like her. as girls, we honestly DON'T have many to choose from in the first place.
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you're gross and your opinion is so worthless you should have just kept it to yourself.
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you should too
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the reason we don't have a wonder woman movie is because audiences can't handle a a character where a female is the hero for once... no one knows how to do it without making everyone happy. guys will only see it if it's mostly porn. and girls would just be disappointed. because they need a hero too.
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Wait I'm confused. Is Wonder Woman a super hero? Or is she just a pin up girl to you. Your opinion is just, so so bad lol.
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how is she not sexy? at any rate, it's not her job to be sexy, it's her job to be a super hero. come on. your opinion sucks. wonder woman isn't even a man hater. have you read ANY Wonder Woman comics? At all? again, your opinion sucks.
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Okay, the things I would change in Wonder Woman. Her origin is okay, crafted from clay, given life and power by the gods. It can work provided she's not too powerful. Strength level. People has said she's similar to Superman, if she is that's too strong. Superman is immensely powerful, but his weaknesses revolve around things like magic, kryptonite and Lois. I would scale her down to about the same level as old She Hulk, 75 ton range. Still vastly more powerful than most mortals, but outclassed by some. Invulnerability? No. Bulletproof. She'd have to be so she doesn't tear herself apart with her superstrong muscles, but she doesn't need to be invulnerable. Quick healing. Speed. Nowhere near Superman or Flash. Faster than normal human, maybe three to four times faster than an elite athlete in reflexes. Able to run at about 70-80 mph. Flight? She weighs in at less than two hundred pounds, and can probably leg press 150 tons. She can jump (and land) with the best of them. She doesn't need to fly. Uniform. I actually like the modern pants, jacket and bustier combination. Blue black trousers tucked into dark red boots (we'll keep the double gold lines with the little v cut on the boots) Red and gold breastplate, real armour so her bust won't be so prominent (sorry) black jacket over the top with sleeves rolled up to expose the silver bracelets. Weapons. I guess we have to keep the unbreakable golden lasso. I'd also throw in a sword and shield (keep them in a pocket dimension for easy access, not original) with she can use to cause carnage. Attitude. Wonder Woman is an ambassador from a female warrior culture. She should be polite, calm and controlled. However if threatened she should kill without hesitation, pity or remorse. Relationships. Women are naturally drawn to men of higher social status than themselves. She doesn't need a superman, but a man of suitable strong personality that can match or even surpass her in parts. We could use Steve Trevor, but he'd need a personality transplant. Think Mystery (writer of The Mystery Method) but in a shorter package.
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Those are some good thoughts.
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Sadly...I actually agree with most of this. Oh sure, her modern stories are way better than this, but the concept remains. The thing is, I actually really love Wondy when she's teamed up in the JLA or something, she has a personality and role different from Superman's, and feels like an important character. I can't get into her solo series. With really strong superhero characters, the opposite is usually true. I adore Supes when he's in Metropolis, and the life of Clark Kent makes me care about him. In team books, he's likable but boring in comparison. I adore Batman when he's in Gotham, and the life of Bruce Wayne makes me fascinated by him. In team books, he's cool but shallow in comparison. Wondy on the other hand has no substance in her own series, and even if she appears as awesome as the others in the JLA, it's because they leave the richness of their hometowns behind and descend to her level of development. Bottom line: Wondy would be a great, likable, awesome character if DC would just treat her like a B-lister. As an A-lister, she's just plain hollow.
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Amazing response! I completely agree.
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I see some Wonder Woman fans actually stating that Hiketia was actually a good storyline. Hiketia was just an excuse for Wonder Woman to put her boot on Batman's head. Its not something to brag about since Batman isn't that strong. Batman is a mere mortal. Wonder Woman is supposed to be a strong as Superman and as Skilled as Batman. The problem is that she is as strong Superman and as skilled as Batman. She is Miss Perfect. At the end of day Superman may have more super powers, but he's just an ordinary guy who goes home after doing his job as Clark Kent. Wonder Woman is a princess, warrior and ambassador.
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If any thing for to be a lesbian, it would have to be vertigo because little kids can read DC, but mostly not vertigo. I forget but I think it has been implied a few times as a double ontundra.
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I can agree with a lot of this. Wonder Woman has been mismanaged and is surrounded by lameness, just as you say. But your first complaint of all...? The main thing that Wonder Woman has going for her is the classic costume. Lose the costume, and for all the regular people in the world who might tune in for another TV show or movie there is no reason to keep calling her Wonder Woman. You will get nothing but backlash for dropping or significantly altering the costume (including the bracelets and lasso). Even the idiotic invisijet is part of that, so if you just don't mention it that's going to slide, but don't then make her fly and remind people that she had the darn thing. However, only hardcore fanboys will complain about other tweaks, especially if they are positive. You know, things like moving away from portrayal of the character as a man-hating bitch and toward being some kind of benevolent hero whose wearing of stars and stripes isn't some ironic criticism. I'd say Alex Ross's Spirit of Truth nailed what most people who think of the character as iconic and important really expect from Wonder Woman...
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A note about the costume resembling the American flag: when Perez did the relaunch, he worked into the mythos that, years before STEVE trevor crashed onto the island, his MOTHER did as well. Upon landing, she found the amazon population fightung a horde of demons ttying to escape from Hades. She, having a pistol, joined in the fight. She parished, but in honor of her bravery, they created a mantle and armour as a tribute to her. They used the symbols thry found in her crashed jet, which were an American flag and US army trappings. Deodato took what looked liked a red corset in earlier versions of the uniform and made it a steel breast plate. And every day i thank God and the baby Jesus that Joss Whedon did NOT get his hands tight enough around WW to make some pathetic movie resembling buffy VS rubber vampires.
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What makes Wonder Woman lame is that she's freaking invulnerable. Invulnerable heroes are boring. Catwoman is far more interesting because she's mortal. Superman could be as boring as toast too, except the writers figured out he has vulnerabilities: kryptonite, Lois Lane, and the citizens of Metropolis. Wonder Woman needs something that would tie her to a city to defend and something that would call her away from her magic island to stay with mortal men. I would look at another love angle. Perhaps she sees some children to protect or sees the effects of poverty. She sees how her warrior training, magical abilities, and ancient wisdom could benefit the citizens of Wonder City. She needs a modernized re-write for sure. Lots of potential with her, but she needs a good writer who loves her and is committed writing good stories. Maybe it would take a team to reinvent her. I could see Steve Trevor is to Wonder Woman, as Xander was to Buffy.
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The problem with WW is that she's such a contradictory character (to comic book authors, fans, the average joe etc) that nobody has a clear idea who she is. Feminist but garbed, until recently, in a cheesecake costume. One of the top 3 DC heroes but no stories or actual popularity that backs this up.
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You make an excellent point, though you do harshly. I won't say over harshly, since this is the interweb after all... And no mater how provocatively phrased they are, your points are good. The sad fact is that Wonder Woman seems to be caught in that limbo where she's arguably the most famous female hero in the DC lineup, but far from the most interesting. As our society moves more and more towards gender equality, it seems the powers that be at DC are afraid to take any risks with the story lines of their premiere female lead. Because WW is smart, strong, brave, and compassionate, she is expected to stand out on her own as a concept more than develop as a character. Granted I'm not a huge comic book fan, and don't know her entire history, but that's kind of the point. Die hard fans of the franchise aren't the only people movies are made for. I'm sure there are some fantastic WW comics out there, but most of us casual fans haven't heard of them... So the likelihood of someone like Chris Nolan, or Brian Singer having some real inspiration to make a serious film about her seems to rather slim. I'm not at all saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that a good WW film will almost certainly have to be a labor of love from either a devoted fan, or a visionary who can relate her origin story and character to contemporary political and social change. Or if we're lucky, both.
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All I have to say is Xena is Wonder Woman done right.
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My idea of the lack of good stories with the Wonder Womans's stories is for the Copyrights. I have saw a lot of good stories with a sexy wonder woman, good catfights even against other superheroines from freelance writers that are a lot better that the stories from D.C D.C can sale the copyrights but Linda Carter have the 51% of these rights.
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The reason why the Wonder Woman book has never sold well isn't because there are a lack of good stories, that she doesn't have a great Rogues gallery or that she flies an invisible jet. The reason why Wonder Woman doesn't sell is because the protagonist is a well-realised and independent female character. If they made her a bimbo, put her in a tight leather costume and drew her in impossibly suggestive positions, the fanboys would lap it up. This article is a joke and a lot of those commenting are pathetic, I'm sorry - but nothing more can be said for you.
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This is just plain STUPID! Wonder Woman is not lame! She is a strong, powerfull, sexy, independent woman who can kick butt! I love her, BEST SUPERHEROE (YES, INCLUDING MALE SUPERHEROES) EVER!!! WW FOREVER!
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Not one thing here is right. Have you ever even seen a comic book in real life? I doubt it. I bet you think Spawn is cool. Deadpool too. I bet you like japanese styles of art too. There is little hope for you.
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Hilarious and True
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Human beings are supposed to come from men and women having sex so yes, what is she? I found out last year after reading a book about her golden age origins, that she was made from clay. The idea I had from watching both the wonder woman movie and, the wonder woman tv show was that her mother had sex with a man once. The new costume makes her look like a reject from the 80's theres' barely room for her lasso, and you can barely tell she's wonder woman. By the way who wouldn't like to have bracelets that deflect bullets, and a lasso that will make anyone tell the truth?
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Oops, forgot to put my dang name down, sorry.
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Then it would be directed by Frank Miller and the feminists would go on a rampage XD
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k, i double checked my source. WB does own DC. But I think movie rights are a little different. But anyway, my point still stands: No one can touch WW's copyright but WB and the last female super hero they had was Catwoman. I personally liked the movie, but it bombed with Catwoman fans, it wasn't great and had nothing to do with Selina Kyle. If they get a good writer or director, and keep the movie in continuity, then i'll be a little less adamant towards them.
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What if you just go all-out in the OTHER direction? Forget trying to make her consistent with the rest of the DCU. Respect her origins and make her a batshit insane loopy fifth-dimensional chick with a thing for bondage and "peace through spankings"? Let Kyle Baker do it for Vertigo. Fans of the early stuff would probably love it, and if nobody else did, then after a year you can pull the plug and reboot her in the DCU, which happens every few years anyway. And if folks DID like it, slip her back in the DCU Plastic Man style, with cameos and comic relief, building to a slow revelation that she's actually deeper than she looks. Hell, fans go nuts for that tired "Delirium" schtick, even now.
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Translation: "I'll attempt to condescend to everyone who doesn't like a character I personally like, because it's poorly written dreck. How dare they dislike my favorite character?" Boring.
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That isn't a fact, that's your opinion. Best concept in comics? I actually laughed. There are so many characters that would have a real claim to that before friggin' "Please Don't Spank Me" Woman.
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Too bad she's not an inspiration to anyone else because she's such a boring, mismash of a character concept.
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how dose warner owan wonder woman if what i read is true warner and dc are part of the same company and don't own one another
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Forgive me for the mini essay but I'm commenting of each of your points. I think you're looking way to much at the Golden Age. Golden Age WW was a sexist, stupid embarrassment. But there's been times over the years when Batman and Superman was almost just as bad. The story goes that the huge amount of bondage in the original WW was to attract male readers, because, back then, girls were not thought of as comic book fans. But then Wonder woman: Gods and Mortals came along, with a great, more mature story, great writing, a better origin and respect for the characters. There has been other good comics like Hiketeia, League of One, Land of the dead and more recently, The Circle and other comics by Gail Simone. Not to mention the animated movie and New Frontier rocked. I find that a lot of writers take the "woman dominance" part way to far. WW doesn't want to be better then men, the lasso compels someone to tell the truth, NOT obey her every word and she doesn't have a bondage fetish ( A person can merely touch the lasso and still be forced to tell the truth). At the core, WW is a symbol of equality, truth and peace. (she was even a goddess of Truth once). Being an ambassador made her so different from other heroes. She didn't need to hide or have a secret identity. And we got some great stories from that time... and then DC messed it up by making her an outlaw and writing "Amazon's Attack" *shudders* As for her costume... i didn't like it for a long time. Even today, i still prefer her more Greekish battle armour. But then i read her origin comic and found out that WW wore the american flag to show respect to the country she was an ambassador to: America! I still prefer other versions of her costume, but this was an interesting take on the concept. And not EVERYONE draws her like a slut. Most of them, but not all. As for the villains, they might have been silly back then, but I've read comics today where the Cheetah was full out scary. Many of WW's villains have been mentally ill on some level, much like Batman's, which makes sense considering WW original creator was a psychologist. I don't like Steve, even though he has also had redeeming moments in the comics. And the plane... is stupid. Even though Themyscira is more technologically advanced then the rest of the planet, it's still... stupid. Makes me think of when Catwoman had a car shaped like a cat... but that at least made some sense. It was better when she had the Pegasus. WW has had a cast and a location. After Themyscira, it was her ambassador house, and she had a large cast living there to help her besides the Amazons and Steve. In comparing Superman to WW: WW has a different personality and stands for different things then Superman. She may have similar power, but she has the freaking Greek Gods behind her (most of the time). She was also created as a female role model, something that Superman is obviously not. WW has had amazing moments in her run. But i suspect DC is too busy promoting the Man of Steel and the GODD*MN Batman because even a huge WW fan like myself didn't know about some of these books until i researched WW for a personal project. If your problem is why she hasn't had a movie, it's partly due to 1) finding an actress that is muscular, tall and a good actress, 2) the script keeps changing writers and 3) WW doesn't belong to DC, she belongs to Warner Bro., who brought us disasters like the Catwoman movie. When the movie does come, I hope they change the costume if only because of how bad Superman's "traditional" costume looked compared to Batman's modern version. And, please God, do not let them cast Megan Fox!
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In my opinion Big Barda was always a much better Wonder Woman than Wonder Woman ever was. ~Matt
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GREAT article! Wonder Woman really has never been good, in fact the most memorable moment, the only memorable moment was when she snapped that villains' neck a few years back. beyond that, nothing. That said her animated DC movie was great. Too bad her comic, ain't.
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they should change her costume. it makes me want to kill something. she looks like a slut not a hero.
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After 60 years, it might be to late to implement changes to rogues gallery and costume. Those things are now ingrained in her mythos.
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Who says there are no memorable WW stories? What about HIKETEIA? Or JLA: A LEAGUE OF ONE? And she has one of the best origin stories ever. It is not one that can be easily explained in a couple of sentences like Superman, Batman, or Spiderman. Trust me on this one, I've had plenty of practice explaining it to a lot of people. It's true that before the Crisis in the 80's that Wonder Woman wasn't a great character, but she has had a constant presence since she was created and continues to be an iconic hero. She's not going away anytime soon. She is here to stay.
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What's with all the "SHE NEEDS TO BE GAAAAAY" posts? How would that help her character at all? As if her being into chicks would magically give her an interesting rogues gallery, or make the invisible plane cool. Shut up. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Again, shut up. Please, don't ever voice your opinion again, it's worthless. SHUT UP. I'm tired of all these sexual orientation retcons, create new characters, don't re-write old ones.
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WW needs to wholesale copy Captain America to succeed. Nothing else will work. Wholesale rip Captain America off and she will work. Without that- they got nothing. Shrill female creators and other hacks are just retreading a retread and using fanboy guilt to sell crap. No one wants the current WW. It's just a way to insulate a fanboy from the guilty pleasure of the rest of the soft porn masquerading as comics the DC / Marvel bereft of ideas factory churn.
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A League of One by Christopher Moeller is a great book. WW is not a bad character just one than would be a nightmare to balance a great story on. Take that she has been written by men for years for a market that is dominated by men and then try to include the Greek mythos into the modern day and make her the female Super Man without being a complete rip off.
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great article. you really know you're shit. I've *never* liked WW. I'd go on a rant but, nah.
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DC's problem is their unwillingness to make changes. How many decades did it take to get Robin out of the short pants and elf shoes? A 21st century Wonder Woman needs a more warrior look. They were close with the Donna Troy costume. I envision something between the formal costume worn by the animated Wonder Woman in Superman/Doomsday, Xena, and Sif from the Thor comics. The sword and shield are worthwhile additions too, though they need special properties like the lasso, to justify their existence. I also agree that they need to give Diana a supporting cast and location. Not Steve Trevor, nor the Sandsmarks, but someone. She should have contact with the amazons, Hippolyta and Artemis especially, but others could be added. As for villains, she has a wealth of potential. Like Thor, or Hercules in Marvel's canon, she has the entire Greek mythology to draw upon. The Greek gods were notorious for meddling in human affairs. Are we to believe they just quit doing it because they lost the majority of their followers? It hasn't stopped Loki. Her established villains just need upgraded to "real" villains, and not "made for girls". Cheetah should have incredible speed, agility, and ferocity. Circe trapped men, and if they displeased her, turned them into animals, befitting their personalities. What she needs is a Luthor, or Joker, a definitive archnemesis. I think Eris, goddess of discord, and sister to Ares, would make an excellent antagonist, or an amazon refugee devoted to her, could make a mission in life to make Diana's existence hell.
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I never could get into Wonder Woman. I think you've got something there. If she were more violent like Poison Ivy, it would have made a difference.
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Who cares.
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I think that the "comic geeks are male" reason to explain WW's failure is out of whack; Comic geeks are notorious for their liking of chicks with swords/whips and various leathered dominatrixes. No, if WW do that bad and that nobody cares about her apart from the die-hards, it is because of what's been brought up in the article, plus: 11) She was retconned/re-written about 12 times, and still do not enjoy a satisfying concept. Even her fans have a hard time defining what she actually is, and where does she comes from. 12) She is a Grecian Amazonian ambassador... that is garbed in another nation's flagsuit. She is also a feminist in a bunny suit. I assure you comic geeks have nothing against that kind of "feminism"... 13) Her powers and habilities are all over the place; she regularly pull powers out of her butt, as long as the authors can somehow connect it with the suitable Greek deity, it is WW's "gift" to have. 14) She has that drab, colorless, heroic personality that every heroes of the 40s harbor, mixed with that so-common 90s hollywood female attitude that make them all alike. 15) Last but not least, her title much disrespect and be-little the Grecian pantheon for the sake of Mary-sue. Heck, Hercules, in her stories, is sometimes referred to "Wonder Man" (I would have preferred "He-Wonder Woman"), and he is the Amazon's trained puppy. WW bosses gods arounds and kill them when they're being bad. That could have been fun if done in a tongue-in-cheek way, but they're so damn serious!
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An additional reason not to care for Wonder Woman is her costume, based on the flag of the USA. Perhaps you have to live outside that country to see the absurdity of it. Here we have a Superhero(ine)representing the values of her people, of her nation and doing so in the colors of just some other country. Even if the development of flags would have been missed by the Paradise Islanders, they are at all times more than smart and creative enough to think one up. Face it, as a citizen and representative of an old, small but powerful nation, Wondy would be as likely to dress in a costume based on the flag of the US of A as say Sabra (Marvel)... Her costume, no matter how little there is of it, is simply an expression of the lack of identity the concept Wonder Woman suffers from.
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I am the president of a polygraph company and know of wonder womans history. She was created by a man named William Marriston who was a pioner in developing early polygraph equipment..that spilled over into his wonder woman creation....remember her magic golden lasso forcing people to tell the truth...and the criminal rehabilation helmet...what is less known (but is written about several places) is that he had 2 wives..or families...and sought out musclear strong willed prostitutes as well....wonder woman was a composit fantasy of polygraph research and a strong sexual woman fetish fantacy.....if currious search for books on the life of William Marriston......a bright but excentric man....
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This list is pretty ridiculous and it's sad that you and so many others are willing to castrate Wonder Woman for identical issues you'll glaze over for other heroes. She sucks because her costume hasn't changed much since the Golden Era, but it's acceptable for Batman and Superman. She sucks because there's no good stories about her, but let's ignore all the times Batman slept in the same bed as Robin or the one where they had a nice spa mud bath or the fact that Superman's head became a giant mood ring for a while or the time he got turned into adventure toddler. She sucks because her Golden Era stories from SEVENTY years ago are bad. For one, talk about holding a grudge. Perhaps time to move on from what happened in 1942. For two, MOST GE seems odd to us now. Batman's "The Rain Batman". Or perhaps the Batman #29 on the Penny Farthing bikes, because he bikes around so much nowadays. Or #12 where they sold him out and he tells kids to buy War Bonds and stamps. All apparently far more justifiable than her having a lasso and sexuality. Let's just take ALL 'Golden Era' comics with some salt, shall we? And most of all, she sucks because she's too much like Superman? But the other 99% of characters with similar powers are fine? There's maybe 12 powers that have gone into creating EVERY single superhero with the top 3 being strength, speed and flight. If you're going to castrate her for having some of those, you better put up a whole bunch of others like Rogue, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter, Miss Marvel, Fire, etc up too because 99% of heroes fall into having 1-2 if not all 3 of those powers as well. The only difference is that many are (a) not female and (b) diffent colored uniform which is I guess the straw that breaks the camels back.
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I tried to get into Wonder Woman, but I just couldn't get it. Her personality and roll constantly fluctuate in the DC. I'm glad she has her fans, but keeping her as one of the Big Three is just misleading. She just doesn't feel like she has a place. Superman has an origin (Smallville, and technically Krypton, but I'm not counting it) and a home, Metropolis. Batman has foundation for who he was (Bruce Wayne) and what he has become (Batman). But Wonder Woman doesn't have any of that. She has an origin (Themyscira), and that is good. It does lack any drama to it- Superman lost a planet and a family he never knew, and Batman lost his parents and essentially gave up on ever having any kind of human life beyond his mission. Wonder Woman never really moved beyond her origin. She drifts from title to title like a college dropout with no rogues, no home base, no supporting cast, and no story. That's her problem- she needs a home. And when she is shown within the Justice League, she gets some great stories in. Hell, Golden Perfect was excellent. But Golden Perfect wasn't under her own title, and none of her good moments ever are. We are told that Wonder Woman's role, among Superman and Batman, is to inspire mankind to be better than it is- to be the progress while the other two maintain a status quo. But while that's well and good, that definition of her character is never expanded on. We never really see Wonder Woman doing anything like that. It isn't even a superhero role- if she wants to drive Man's World to be better, perhaps she should seek a future in politics. Maybe her role as a humanitarian needs to be made more clear. Wonder Woman isn't a bad character, but she's *not* one of the Big Three, and unless she finds an identity beyond Affirmative Action Girl, she cant support a series by herself.
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Well, I'm torn on the issue. On one hand, it's true that most male superhero comics fans are total nerds who can't relate to women in the slightest. That does account for a lot of the problems with Wonder Woman historically. However, after years of publication and attempts by some talented creators, Wonder Woman just doesn't have that much of a character in her solo books. In team books, she shows more personality, but even then she's defined in opposition to the people around her (mainly Batman and Superman). Gail's trying, but it's always a losing battle with Diana on that front (compare how easily Gail made CATMAN into a rounded character!). I think another issue with Wonder Woman is this - most other major heroes have a mythology that's isolated and unique, and that mythology deeply informs the aesthetic. Superman has Krypton, Smallville, and Metropolis. Batman has Gotham. Green Lantern has Oa and the Corps. The Flash has the laws of physics themselves (and the Speed Force in modern times). Wonder Woman has...ancient Greek myth. Not that her background is a total impediment, as it has provided for some interesting stories, but there's very little in her background that's completely hers. I think that's why writers cling to the Lasso and the Invisible Plane - despite their lameness, they belong to Diana and no one else. Even Captain Marvel, whose powers come from a number of Greek, Roman, and Biblical figures, has elements that belong to his story alone (the wizard and word Shazam!, the transforming lightning, the Rock of Eternity, the kid-into-adult transformation).
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Please. These days, anyone with a mundane perception and penchant for notoriety is out shoveling their opinionated, vacuous rhetoric by stepping on an American mythos all for the sake of gaining a couple of chuckles from their limited audience. Try actually reading up on the history of Wonder Woman some time. You'll find that she is actually the one superhero that has more depth and history to her than you could possibly imagine. Her very presence actually launches from the very spot where the Greek mythos ends, with Hercules, and skyrockets to symbolize an entire movement for women in the United States. Everything about Wonder Woman, from her girdle that was created by the Greek gods to her lasso of truth, to her silver bracers is steeped in legend. To casually dismiss Wonder Woman because her suit hasn't changed and she wears underwear is simply a statement of insurmountable ignorance. Why not consider some constructive criticism on something you actually researched in comics with the goal of filling your posts with relevant content instead of opinionated hyperbole? You might find that you actually learned something of value about whatever it is you are attempting to sound educated on.
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Actually her creator's bondage fetish was a coincidence. He created her so that boys would get used to seeing strong women in comics, and thus also in life. He happened to include some bondage stuff because, well, that's what he liked.
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I'm sorry, but all your WW-lovers need to chill. She IS an overrated character who is kept around simply because she's been around so long. This has nothing to do with men being afraid of an empowered woman. Hell, I love Zatanna and wish that Zee got 1/4 the press that WW does. It's just that Wonder Woman is obnoxious and flat out unlikable. The fact that she was created to fulfill her creator's bondage fetish (one of the few charges that the anti-comic essay "Seduction of the Innocent" actually got right) just further shows the oddness of her existence. She doesn't have great villains, she doesn't have any memorable solo storylines and she just isn't interesting.
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I care. The author of this article really has the poison pen out.
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For the most part, I agree. I wouldn't recommend any of those Batman or Superman stories to start with (they warp the status quo, quite a bit), but that's niether here nor there. Gail simone has made it even worse. I appreciate what's she's trying to do, but it's an epic failure. The book is now on the "Don't waste your time/money" list. And, I'm glad you brought up the supporting characters issue. Her supporting cast is a HUGE reason why the books are garbage. And, to address another comment. Not to step on any toes, but, Diana's...sexual preference. Uh, you see what happened to the "exciting new Batwoman". Plus, it would just be wrong and too much of of a disgusting publicity stunt. If they could just cop out and call the guys from DC's animated stable, then the book might be worth reading. Until then, it's trash.
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Damn. As much as I've defended Wonder Woman over the years, these points are pretty solid. I agree with Kevin on the quality of the character in the JL and JLU cartoons and the potential of a romance with Batman. I also agree about the weakness of her supporting cast and how disposable it is. While I like what Gail Simone has done with the comic, I doubt D.C. is going to give her the freedom to reinvent her in fundamental ways. That's a real shame.
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I'd much prefer Gaiman to Moore. I don't really trust him with female characters, despite liking his books. But I'm liking Simone's current run just fine, and Rucka did amazing things with WW.
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Either give her to Alan Moore or give her something to do. A huge mission like save Themiscira from the Neo-cons. Then make it Star Wars in the Wonder Woman mythos then have her lose. That would be interesting. I liked the Mike Deopdato run, I liked Hiketeia. The lasso needs to be made cool by finding clever yet unthought of uses. An unbreakable golden cable has to have more uses than just as a friggin' lasso lie detector. Lets be creative for once. I like Wonder Woman, and if they had a consistently good creative team I would buy it every month regardless of your academic points, same as any other character. Supreme was interesting after Alan Moore took over with Chris Sprouse. Get a great writer, not Bendis, and a great artist who can do eleven issues a year. Its not rocket science.
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Poor Wonder Woman fans. No wonder they don't like Xena -- the general public know more about her than a 60 year old character and is far more interesting of a character (without even possessing superpowers) than she is. So much for Xena being a "rip off" of Wonder Woman when they actually have nothing in common.
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Robert, Wonder Woman actually does not have a father. Her mother, the queen of the Amazons, formed a baby out of clay, and the Greek Goddesses (plus Hermes) gave it life. Also, I'm not really sure what you mean by her having a chip on her shoulder. What would she have to prove, even if she did have a father?
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Christopher Moeller's "JLA: A League of One" (Wonder Woman versus the JLA, and a big dragon!) was good. And there was the bit in Darwyn Cooke's "The New Frontier" where she stands up for the women in Vietnam.
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M, Who was Wonder Woman's father? She'll always have a chip on her shoulder for she is the spawn of a ...man. and don't tell me she is from another g-ddamn planet or is descended from space aliens or is from a race that reproduces asexually. Oh, by the way NerdGirl, I wouldn't mind seeing Wonder Woman in the Playboy centerfold.
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Yeah, WW is one of those characters that you want to idolize as a little girl, but can't when you realise that she looks like she should be on the cover of Playboy. Recently, one of the artist decked her out in full out plate mail, and she look awesome. Now WW looks like she has stake on the corner of 5th and main.
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Robert: Wonder Woman is not anti-male, but anti-patriarchy. There is a difference. Anyway she's much less anti-male than the entire comic book industry is anti-woman.
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Huh. Why are you using all of the Golden Age stuff to justify this crappy list? If I could only read Golden Age Superman or Batman I would give up comics all together. Probably the only point on the list I might agree with is that they need to stop over-sexualizing her costume. Wonder Woman should NEVER fight crime in a thong. But your real point was that they should update her costume to be more "modern" or something. Superman fights in blue pajamas with his underwear on the outside. I rest my case.
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Thanks for the article! I agree totally. Back in the 70s I was reading a Dynamite Magazine which featured a Wonder Woman comic strip in back. It was totally anti-male...I remember reading Wonder Woman referring to the world outside of Paradise Island as "the foul world of men." Oh yeah? I was about 10 years old when I read it and I said "F -you Wonder Woman!" (I am a male). It was at that point that I learned that the Wonder Woman story had misandrist undertones. It doesn't surprise me that the creator was a pervert into S&M.
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Thing is, looking at some of the comments here (not all), I can kinda see why Wonder Woman doesn't have the same kind of following as Superman or Batman. All this crap about "oh hey lol it would be gr8 if she was a lesbian" or "omg she shulod have a skimpier costume" suggests that quite a lot of the superhero fanbase just can't quite relate to an actual woman. I don't see anyone demanding Batman show up in only a thong, or Superman should come out of the closet because, let's face it, two busty women in leotards getting it on is kinda hot if you're a straight guy. It's the same kind of attitude that creates the "women in fridges" problem and, indeed, reinforces the stereotype of comic book fans as a bunch of lonely masturbators.
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Sure WW is an iconic figure who has glided on her history,the sexist attitudes of the 40's,50's and 60's saw to that.(thank you William Moulton Marston and Robert Kanigher) But the post 1986 WW is a far cry better than her Golden -Silver Age self. Your article makes good points here and there. But is incredibly biased. Any so-called Superhero or heroine can look stupid under the eye of logic. So picking on the Invisible jet/plane. And saying nothing of the Batmobile;is a little asinine. WW is living up to her potential nowadays more than ever. And for the record she originally wore culottes,not a skirt as many have believed.
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"Nobody" cares about Wonder Woman because the vast majority of comics readership are young straight males who simply can't ( or won't let themselves ) get on board a series with a female protaganist. Oh, it's fine if she's a supporting cast member or team member or a love interest, but read a book about a "girl"? yeah right. You can point out the cheese factor in ANY Golden Age comic stories, and as far as DC is concerned, silver age stories as well. I've got the Batman and Superman reprints from that era, believe me I know. Indeed, William Marston had some weird ideas, but the CORE IDEA, the notion that a woman could be strong, a warrior, and spread the notion of equality for everyone was pretty damn ahead of it's time for 1941. And sadly, kinds of still is today as well. So there aren't any WW stories on par with Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, or V for Vendetta. Ok, fair. There also aren't any Iron Man, Thor or Green Lantern comics on par with those either, and yet I NEVER see those characters get shit on by fans the way WW has. Perez' work on Wondy was great and still holds up, as does much of Rucka's work and Gail Simone's now. Gods and Mortals, The Hiketia and Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth are all terrfic reads with great art. True, Wondy does not have the greatest villains. And her supporting cast is so-so ( Also a Note: Steve trevor has not been her love interest for 23 years now ) Again, I can name other similar heroes like that. Some of them even had $300 Million plus movies this summer that everyone loves. Wonder Woman CAN be interesting. She is a paradox; a warrior for peace. As noted in Trinity, while Superman is seen as the Protector, and Batman as the vigilante, WW is seen as the instigator of change in a world that doesn't really want to change. And that makes the citizens of the DCU a little uncomfortable, and apparently this translates to the fanboys as well. She is easily the most blatantly political ( not patriotic ) super hero, as she was created with the actual intention of social change by the creator ( Siegal & Shuster and Bob Kane just wanted to tell pulp stories and get paid ) All of these things make her fascinating and enduring now for nearly 70 years.
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Great article. The costume's embarassing. They've overpowered Wonder Woman with the idea it would make her Superman's equal, but Superman's DC's poster child and will always end up as #1 when pitted against all the other characters in his weight class, meaning she just comes off as one more knock-off. And the powerless Batman's even more popular than Supes! In the end, she's left with several weapons that she doesn't even need: jet, lasso, bracelets (isn't she invulnerable now? And way too fast for bullets to hit her anyway?). No cast, no memorable city. Steve Trevor. You hit every point.
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Well researched my ass - this guy has completely ignored the Perez contribution which made the character's mythical background so distinct. As for villains, okay Cheetah might be lame but can the same be said about Ares and Circe? Jeez, try reading the comics post 1986 please?
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This article makes me hurt. Bad. Of course the Golden Age is cheesy, IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE 40's!! As for re-inventing the Golden Age, 'Nice Try'. If you remember about her origins, her mother didn't tell her alot of stuff, so that's where all the conflicting stories lie. If you like this article then shove it. No true Wondie fan will eat this crap.
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I find this GROSSLY UNFAIR. I bet I can make any character look foolish if I look at their 40s comics. It's simple comic's are a man's thing and Wonder Woman is not a man therefore they don't buy it. Simple. Warner understands it's Wonder Woman's imagine that is iconic not her comic. That is why they produce many items such as t-shirts, figures, statues, banks, dolls, costumes etc. etc. etc. Wonder Woman does sell just not in comics that is a man's market. I'm glad the people who own her rights do understand this. She's ICONIC and all the women I know young and old know who she is and love her, Not to mention all the gay men who love her well.
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Bizarre and kinda weird thread this. Real negative. I kinda think the main reason WW 'doesnt' sell as much as some other comics is mainly due to the fact shes a woman unfortunately as most readers are men and growing up WW had strong links to woman and gay kids. That said her book at the moment is spot on and it is far stronger than superman and batman in my opinion. Better art and story. Sure her costumes kooky but whose isnt, even spidermans is silly but its still the best in comics. Ur reasoning about the shorts being athletic may seem sill nowadays but its a nod to the past and actually knowing that fact makes me like the costume more. WWs incredibly multifaceted, she isnt as black and white as superman or batman and it is a more difficult origin but shes great. She can be involved in any scenario, myth, heroic, science, crime and yet she fits in. WWs villains have been a weak point but my what potential she has. These odd quirky psychos could give even Batmans a run IF written well. You may laugh but the weird odd trippy villains she has may just be the tonic and Im sure Gail will do something special. Id also be keen for someone like Grant Morrison or Alan Moore to play around with these 'weak' characters and i think youd see something chillingly briliant also. Im glad her love life doesnt dominate her book!! Superman is as wet as can be and it ruins him. Many comic friends of mine find him an incredibly dull character who is only iconic due to him being the first. I m sure theres many other things i could say but I think whats special about WW is, yes shes got the history and shes female and she broke the mould for successful female characters and all that but shes an odd contradiction shes hard as nails, tough and skilled, joyful, charismatic with a fantastic cast, all the myths to explore as well as normal super hero avenues and with a trippy weird past and Gail is building ww into DCs top comic. The idea no one cares about WW is rubbish. Shes had a successful comic for 60 years, been published in many teams, is a pop culture icon, non readers know her, had a tv series, sells amazingly well in models and figures and trades and great great teams want to use her (Perez, Rucka, Garcia Lopez, Byrne, Simone, Giordano etc), whether they succeed or not is obviously subjective. DC hasnt treat her well for many years but i think the tide is turning and i bet you in the next 2 years theyl be a thread saying ten reasons why WW is so popular!! x
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Great article! I agree with much of it and LOL at many comments. There are indeed GREAT Wondie stories, but they've been few and extremely far between. Now that Gail's onboard, though, I think we'll be seeing a lot more. (shudder) Just the IDEA of Jim Shooter on the book, much less a 12-YO (2 years younger than Jim started), gives me the heebie-jeebies. Though he did pen a story or two back in the Sixties. (shudder) There's no problem with the Invisible Jet, ESPECIALLY if Diana's flying ability is deleted. The jet got some good panel time in recent B&B issues. It was a crime to have Batman give Diana a faux-Invisible Jet. WTH? That'll be forgotten now that the real deal is back. "We already HAVE Superman." Thank you! Exactly why I always say that Wondie should be the leader of DC's MID-POWERED heroes. Let Superman have the uber-powerful folks under his wing. Let Batman boss the non-powereds around. But Wondie should be the empress of all between them, which gives her a chance to struggle (and prevail, of course) in her battles -- which would require her to use her jet (or glide on air currents) since she doesn't fly. And legitimately use the spectacular trademarked Bullets and Bracelets move, something that makes no sense if you make the woman practically invulnerable. Get rid of the constant Superman comparisons. He's already got a galaxy of Supergirls and the occasional Superboy by his side. "Everybody Hates Steve Trevor." Ain't that the truth. I grew up on Kanigher Stevie, and a more vile character is rarely seen in comics. (Steve Howard was all right, though more than a bit metrosexual.) The current Stevie, married to Etta, is merely a rather bland carryover of mythos. I'm hoping/expecting Gail does something interesting with him. But why was he used in the first place? To counteract the most difficult drawback WW has: her Cootie Factor. Stevie started as a blond, blue-eyed, All-American flyboy, the top rung on the male hero worship ladder at the time. If he loved Wonder Woman, if he respected her -- then any boy picking up her comic book could feel more comfortable in reading her adventures. Times have changed. And yes, her costume needs updating. Keep the iconic value; add material. I've met more comics fans who refuse to read WW simply because she wears a silly costume. Hey, DC! Have comics artists, fans and real-world designers try their hands at WW and publish the results in a fun special issue. Do some thorough test marketing and see what flies. Or glides on air. Then give Wondie some duds we all can be proud of. Wondie's the best concept ever in superhero comics. Too bad DC has too often missed that tiny fact.
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JLU was the worst truncated version of WW ever.Timm didn't even know what to do with her.The idea that this distilled the best of her?!?Please!She isn't Xena nor Buffy folks.And she is till selling titles,so before you kick her down tell me if Catwoman or anyother X-female sell their own comics consistently?Catwoman can't really work without Batman. Wonder Woman has not had a live incarnation for decades,and when she does appear in animation in JLU she is Batman's groupie and her powerlevels are inconsistent and you are not sure why she is here.It all got lost in JLU about why she was champion and got sent out to the world as a hero.A prime example of that is how they never included this supposedly best warrior who can go toe to toe with Supes in the finale Destroyed.They make a song and dance of Trinity, but Timm and his creators sent the world's Finest and Lex to take down Darkseid.Not very subtle to me,but the woman was not good enough to do a "mans" job.People who say they like JLU's version need to go and read about this woman's inception and evolution. If she is not visible it is fault of DC animation and Warner.She can easily have her own cartoon.But when you have a male dominated arena,where Batman is the itboy,what do you expect? And as for her not having good stories.Please,I dare you people to read from Perez,onto Jiminez,to Rucka to Gail Simone. Now THAT is what a royal amazon princess,beloved of the gods,champion of peace,justice,truth and hope should be. Her message gets lost in a need to define her sexuality. Pitiful really.Who cares whether she is straight,bi or lesbian? She was an inspiration to me and will always be.
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yourqueenbea I know, right? Like, at least she's not tied down to talking to fracking dolphins like two different non-starter franchises that seem to be getting more serious attention. If Grant Morrison can bring back what he's brought back there has to be something better for this title.
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There is really only one reason why this woman sucks dick: she's a female character written deep in patriarchy, and especially written in an earlier and cruder thickness of patriarchy. Compare black characters written at darker stages of popular white racism (or rather white racism that is now visible to us). Compare Robert A Heinlein's female characters, progressive badasses by Heinlein's standards, but sexually convenient trash requiring explanations from Spider Robinson for moderns. Really it is possible to fix this, but it would require going in exactly the opposite direction taken by previous comic-cinema successes. Excellent recent triumphs with Iron Man and Batman took usable key "biographical details" -- this is impossible and counterproductive with Wonder Woman -- and put them in a modernized and viewer-respecting context. With this character the modernized and viewer-respecting context must be the starting point. And of course a decision has to be made between making a serious or an exploitation movie, a decision that has been foolishly avoided for the entirety of the comic. Or in short beg Whedon to come back. Postscript: any critique of amazon planet blues ought to mention the very excellent characters and stories that came after Marston's Stanzoniying, such as the "Chicks in Chain Mail" books, anything by Joanna Russ, and especially Promethea.
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What is with all this "man hater" bullshit? Sounds like something Rush Limpdick would say.
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In my alternate universe, Supes & Wonder Woman had a stormy, tempestuous 20-year marriage which ends when Supes dies. WW kills her mother for mocking Supes as he dies and becomes queen. The oldest has a bit of a fling with Apollo and ends up with some of the oracle affect. Their daughter goes on to star as Xena (doing all her own stunts!) and dies in a drug overdose. Oh, and in this universe, Speedy is Black Canary's son by Oliver Queen. Canary also has a daughter...by Bruce Wayne. ;)
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I agree Wonder Women is a sleeper. Come to think of it I can't even remember anyone admitting to buying a copy when I was a kid.
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they did find a great reason why batman wears that ridiculous costume and calls himself batman...even though making WW believable is a bigger job i think the right writer could make this movie watchable
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Spot on. (Except I'd add #11 - No compelling Origin Story.) I always got the sense that DC comics said, hey, Superman's a huge seller, we need to get us another series like that, and then a bunch of people went into a 1-hour meeting and came up with a female version. Unfortunately, it didn't help that the guy in charge had a serious bondage fetish. This is why I was so excited to have Joss Whedon in charge of a WW movie. The man's an incredible storyteller with a massive hard-on for strong women. I was looking forward to him injecting all the symbolism and angst and motivation she never had, but deserved, and coming up with something truly EPIC.
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wow. i really like wonder woman, she was a role model when i was a young girl, and she just kicks ass. i don't get how you can complain about her outfit. superhero outfits are not supposed to change. so wtf? so she may not be as awesome as superman or batman, but she still kicks ass! i don't care what you say, i will always like and love wonderwoman!
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