• What a brilliant riposte, Mike -- straight from the Junior-high playground! Clearly my point -- that a discussion of sexual politics in the media as opposed to whether your imaginary childhood hero was done wrong by its creators -- soared just a bit above your middle-brow.

• Why do so many apologists for Crystal Skull firmly support the film simply because it's mediocre? "Your expectations are too high. It's not like the film was a train wreck." Of course our expectations are high. It's Indiana Jones. I don't think it's too much to ask that the film be an excellent piece of cinema--at the very least.

• That was good stuff mike, let me buy you a drink.

• You're on this page as well Dac so I can safely assume that you have your sex life firmly-in-hand... so to speak.

• I love it. What pure anti-social nerdery -- nobody is at all fazed by the cavalier use of rape as a joke, but you'll pick the ticks off each other's hides arguing about whether the latest crappy Product from a couple of bored, cynical over-the-hill Hollywood fat cats is a "masterpiece of modern cinema" or not ... Of course it all makes sense when one remembers that sexuality of any kind is pretty much theoretical to yr geek-for-life ...

• Thank you Paul for summing up my feelings on the whole "Indy did nothing" comment. The "Indy saved the allied soldiers" argument is frankly a rather weak justification for the fact that Indy really wasn't vital to the Raiders plot either. What he did in the first, third, and fourth movies was essentially all the grunt work needed to find the artifact in question. Without him, it would have taken a lot longer for the antagonists to reach the thing that ultimately kills them. I have to say that while the fourth movie isn't a masterpiece of modern cinema by any streach of the imagination, it would still be nice to see arguments about its quality that aren't based either on a single scene (such as the fridge, which I personally thought was hilarious and no more far fetched than any of the other insane and improbable stuff that's happened to Indy over the years) or something that could be applied to any of the (good) Indy films. Whenever I hear people insist that these little bits of the film so horribly spoiled the entire experience for them, I just can't help but think that they're actually railing against the fact that the film simply didn't live up to their absurdly high expectations. It's not exactly another Phantom Menace. It's a film that, all things considered, is at least better than the second one.

• Hate to say it but ToD is the only Indy Movie where he actually does something, every other movies they baddies get what they want and it all goes to shit for them. South Park has just gotten bad at this point and I lost interest last season this season I doubt I will watch more then 2 shows. I however did like the Indy movie just because I took it as entertainment rather then holding it up to the slandered all nerd hold it and Star Wars up to

• Also (yes, this still bothers me) who in production couldn't be bothered to put, say, a weight in the crystal skulls? Those things looked cheap as hell >.>'

• Regardless of how good the rest of the episode was, I think this clip sums up the situation nicely :p

• OnanRulz, good theory, but it's that's a little too complex. By the time the Nazis would have figured out how to use it, (and really if the burned out swastika was any indication, God had no intention on them using it in the first place) the atom bomb would have been invented and dropped on the thing.

• The Chinese subplot was just stupid, uninspired, boring. The Spielberg/Lucas hatred was kinda amusing .... BUT: I'm very, very far from being a P.C. feminazi whiner, etc etc, but doesn't ANYONE else find it overly tasteless & disturbing that two of Comedy Central's biggest hits (the other one being the Sarah Silverman Show) debuted their new seasons with episodes that cavalierly used rape as the most HIL-arious of metaphors? Not just used but DROVE INTO THE GROUND? In fact, on narcissist Silverman's episode, it wasn't even a metaphor. & all the sly, winking at one's self, aren't-we-trangressive moments really don't justify the desperate how-low-can-you-go tactics of what looks to me like a bunch of sniggering, creatively bankrupt creeps. Having said that, it was funny watching the cartoon Lucas's face scronch up as he plundered Indy. They should have made his wattles shake with his free-market Capitalist pleasure, though.

• Ok, hear me out on this one: Does anyone remember the Monty Python sketch with "the world's funniest joke?" It's a joke so funny, the writer dies from laughter. His mother, mistaking the fits of laughter for screams of agony, read what she believes is the "suicide note" and dies on the spot. The police deduce what has happened after a few officers meet the same fate, and the joke falls into the hands of the British military, who transcribe it to German and have soldeirs tell it one word at a time for their own safety. The Ark would perform the same function. Once the Nazis figured out how and why it killed, they could just dump it onto battlefields and run, waiting for it to reseal itself for next time. As ludicrous as it sounds, Indy may have saved the lives of countless Allied soldeiers by recovering the Ark.

• Y'know...Paul is absolutely right. The deus ex machina (literally) is an Indy staple.

• Indy didn't accomplish anything in Last Crusade either. He delivered the grail to the Nazi's, but it couldn't cross the line anyway. The outcome could have been the same. You could argue the same thing about the first film. As long as it was Nazi's opening the Ark, then they would have been killed. All Indy accomplished was getting the Ark hidden in America. The most Indy has ever done was in Temple of Doom, like it or not.

• I agree. The Cartman subplot was funny, and the initial revelation that the "friend" was Indiana Jones made me laugh, but they really drove that into the ground. I mean, seriously, has everyone forgotten Temple of Doom? I tried to watch it for the first time since it came out over the summer(finally bought the box set) and I just couldn't do it. It was absolutely wretched. The acting sounded straight out of a high school play, and the dialog was horrendous. I haven't seen Crystal Skull yet, but I find it hard to believe it's any worse than that pile of trash.

• It's like the ending of Transformers. Let's defeat the Decepticons by <i>giving them the item we've been trying to keep from them</i>! There's a new trend, it seems, that filmmakers are forgetting that our hero protagonists need to drive the plot, rather than just being spectators.

• I have to agree with Mr. Allison (and not because I actually like the Indy movie, even with it's flaws). I have thought South Park has gotten consistently funnier over the years (not to mention it's usual spot-on social commentary), but this weeks episode was just boring. I hope this is not a sign of things to come.

• It hurts to see South Park become this unfunny. I actually fell asleep the first time I tried to watch the episode.

• "You do not shoot guys in the dick!"

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