Zack Snyder-haters, this post is for you. Because four new Watchmen clips have been released over the past few days, and...well, frankly, they don't seem all that good. One has Ozymandias talking in a very strange way (I have no idea what the actor is trying to do, other than sound really bizarre), and one has Nite Owl and Silk Spectre rescuing folks from the tenement fire, which ends with a rather hilariously gratuitous fireball (and that slow-motion scene seen in most of the trailers). But what I'm worried about is above -- the scene where Nite Owl and Rorschach have their little tiff during their investigation, because it just seems really, really awkward, and more than a little goofy. Maybe it's the lack of camera movement that makes it seem almost TV show-like, or maybe that it's a small portion of the scene that just doesn't stand on its own. But this the first time I've seen anything Watchmen movie-related (not Watchmen movie merchandise-related, natch) and thought "eww."
Bonus: Nite Owl and the Comedian in the '70s, getting ready to fuck up some rioters, while K.C. and the Sunshine Band's "I'm Your Boogie Man" plays. I realize audiences need to know it's the '70s, but...maybe a quick caption would have been better than disco? I don't know, folks. Is it just me? Or are there cracks in the facade?
Comments
Patrick Cooper said:
The slow motion in that last clip is completely unnecessary. No wonder this movie is so frakking long.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:11:50 AM
cummins said:
These clips really don't look that great. I'm going to reserve judgment (well, attempt to anyway) until I see the complete film. But my initial reactions are that Matthew Goode seems really miscast and the proceedings in the above feel a bit stilted. I'm eager to see some footage of Crudup as Doc Manhattan, as I suspect his performance is going to be the film's secret weapon.
And just to beat a dead horse, I am still confused as to why exactly the squid couldn't be featured.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:13:08 AM
Karl said:
Yeah, I saw these earlier and I thought the same thing. The Owl/Rorschach thing comes off terrible. Maybe it's not the final finished version, I dunno. Very awkward. As for Ozymandias, I remember reading somewhere that he is supposed to be of German origin, hence the accent.
Overall, these didn't make me feel too good about this. That and the way they keep referring to "The Watchmen."
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:13:51 AM
Purple Monkey Dishwasher said:
Goode is such a bad piece of casting / acting.
Not enough presence / build to play the smartest man in the world. Truly awful.
I dont mind the Night Owl and Rorschach scene, the here is the same as it was for V for Vendetta, a mask.
Im going to reserve judgement until I see the whole.
I said that after watching The Phantom Menace Trailer though.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:25:24 AM
Sean T. Collins said:
Rob: "maybe a quick caption would have been better than disco?" Nothing is better than disco.
Cummins: the problem with Goode as Ozy isn't with his casting, but with his choice as an actor to portray Ozy as the son of Nazis, hence the German accent. Besides sounding goofy, it kind of gives the audience an easy out for interpreting his character--"Oh, his folks were Nazis, no wonder he's fucked up." It's more interesting to me if his character really IS a clean-cut, self-made, peak-of-human-ability hero who ends up doing what he does.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:25:52 AM
cummins said:
Sean-Excellent point. I wonder how early into the flick people unfamiliar with the comic are going to figure out that Ozy is "the bad guy." Synder isn't exactly subtle. I still think Goode is a bit too young/slight to pull off the role. But goofy is the perfect word to describe his accent.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:39:30 AM
SammyC said:
Where in the original book do they address Ozy's German background? I remember reading his parents were Nazis before I read the book, but then didn't really notice that anywhere.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:44:14 AM
B.E. said:
Sean and Cummins: Yep, that was my main problem, too. Ozy is wearing a big red neon sign that says "I'M THE BAD GUY" in--what? his first scene?--and that is a HUGE red flag. Huge. Jesus.
And I've actually been defending the slo-mo as a kind-of nod to the still panels of the comics, but that shot with the Comedian jumping down--WHY?
Ugh. Oh man. Hope...dwindling...
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:55:16 AM
Drakonnen said:
I thought the scenes were fine, though I don't really buy the one guy as Ozy, but I can live with that.
He's to thin, odd looking and quiet to be essentially the greatest athlete and smartest man who was so self-confident he put toys of himself out and all.
I like the casting for Nite Owl II though. He fills the role while still potentially being believable as a hero.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:58:40 AM
ZeroCorpse said:
It's not really fair to judge it out of context like that. I'll reserve judgment.
If it's not all we hoped it would be, that's fine: The book is still on our shelves and will remain unharmed by the movie.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:00:26 AM
Dave said:
Well, on the German thing, Veidt is a German name. Isn't he named after Conrad Veidt from "The Man Who Laughed", "Caligari" and "Casablanca"? A German accent is far from the weirdest thing to be done there.
I'll miss the squid, but I still think it's better to hold judgement until seeing it.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:12:04 AM
J_strappe said:
The first scene between Rorschach and Nite Owl seems fittingly awkward - as I remember, it was a somewhat awkward scene in the comic, too. Still, I don't think Ozymandias was cast very well, he just seems too frail and young, and frankly, I'm not getting "smartest man in the world" vibes from him, at all.
Still, I'm looking forward to the film and will judge it appropriately after seeing it.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:20:03 AM
MattL said:
I actually thought the Nite Owl/Rorschach scene wasn't bad. Sure, it was awkward, but I think the mood is supposed to be. Dan just flipped out on his lunatic "friend", and Rorschach's taken aback. He doesn't really know how to respond cause the character's socially inept.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:23:11 AM
Zach Oat said:
I've been poring over the GN lately for an article I'm writing, and it says that his parents came to the U.S. in 1939, the year he was born, and they were very wealthy, or they became very wealthy in the next 17 years before they both died. Given the German name, it's to be assumed his parents came there from Germany, so they must have been either fleeing the Nazis, or they defected. Snyder wanted him to hide his accent in public, and have a slight one in private, but considering he was raised here, they could have easily done without it.
But yeah, in the book, they point out that he is in his peak physical condition, and at one point, every woman in America wants to sleep with him. Looking at this guy, I don't buy it, especially since it's been almost 20 years since his prime heroing days.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:28:55 AM
CTrees said:
This is what a good male gymnast looks like: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41375000/jpg/_41375976_rings_416.jpg
That guy as Ozy is slouch-shouldered, thin, and weak looking. He shouldn't be as bulky as Bale's Batman, but if he's the world's best gymnast? He should have a hell of a lot better defined muscles than Bale did. Even ignoring the bearing and the delivery of his lines, this fails quite badly.
Beyond that... the clips are just not so great, in general. The disco is awesome, though.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:33:50 AM
CTrees said:
Oh, and Zach? I agree; I certainly cannot see every (or even more than a tiny fraction thereof) woman wanting to sleep with him. An unusually large share of men? Maybe...
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:35:38 AM
NeoXorn said:
The movie Ozy looks like David Spade.
I'm abit worried about the clips. The shots used in the Owl/Ror conversation above looks like it came out of a TV show or a low-budget indie film.
I dunno. I'll reserve my judgment.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:02:55 AM
iROB said:
I wonder if people will be as turned off by Rorschach's uber raspy voice as they were with Bale's in The Dark Knight?
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:13:42 AM
cummins said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfcDd43D-iI
Then there's that.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:17:18 AM
McCarthy said:
There are definitely much more glaring issues at hand in these videos than this, but, why on earth would you have Dan visit Veidt instead of Rorschach? Unnecessary alterations like this, although it's not a big one in my opinion, frighten me as to what else Snyder will arbitrarily change.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:18:03 AM
Brion said:
Re-reading Watchmen again, and my only problem with the casting is Ozymandias, in 1985 the comic states that Ozy is in his early 40s. The movie has him looking like his early 20's. The accent is distracting too.
I really, really want this film to work.
I'll admit it though, I am afraid.
Good or not, if Rorschach survives, this movie would be a total failure. I can picture audiences being completely confused as to why Doc kills him off.
Please be good!
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:44:16 AM
G-tron said:
The one word that I can think of describing these sequences as is 'flat'. IMHO the best thing that Snyder's done so far is the remake of Dawn of The Dead - I imagine Watchmen will certainly look nice on the big screen but ultimately it won't come anywhere near to capturing the depths of characterization or narrative complexity so vital to the source material. Now where's my NITE OWL II coffee?
Posted 02/18/2009 at 11:14:36 AM
edgreen86 said:
"The Owl/Rorschach thing comes off terrible. Maybe it's not the final finished version, I dunno. Very awkward."
I think what's being forgotten is the Nite Owl is a bit of a nebish, and the scene between the two of them isn't supposed to be simple. Awkward is a very good choice for the actors and director. Didn't have a problem with it.
Really looking forward to this.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 11:51:39 AM
Crystal Lynn said:
as many others have said, I am going to reserve judgment until I see the movie.
That said, I agree with others than the casting for Ozymandias is off. Nothing is ever perfect though in screen adaptions of novels or graphic novels. We all know this.
I don't think any movie can ever really capture everything that is in the Watchmen. It's never going to happen. Unless we get the actual creator to work on it too (i.e. Sin City), it won't come close.
I'm hoping that the movie is at least inspired by the Watchmen and I'll detach myself from the novel and hope to be entertained.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 11:56:24 AM
Zac said:
I'm fine with the Ozy and Rorschach clips - actually I think Ozy's line delivery is pretty good, sounds fairly natural.
But the clip with the rioters bugged me a little - unnecessary disco, unnecessary slo-mo. But again, it's all out of context. Frankly the one thing that bugs me the most about all of these clips is that I'm not sure how finished they are in terms of process; the lack of film grain creates a bit of a 'cheap' look.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 12:01:17 PM
Oscar said:
Even though those are the worst Watchmen clips put out so far, they're still infinitely better than anything I've seen from the Street Fighter, Dragon Ball, and GI Joe movies combined.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 01:15:59 PM
Ben said:
I don't think they were horrible, the fire scene really could've been worse and works overall as a scene. The Nite-Owl/Rorschach scene works because their relationship is that awkward, Ror is that mental, that cold when talking with anyone, and NO cares for him because he understands him more then anyone, though he's still afraid of him to an extent and by then is getting more self-sufficient with his relationship with Silk Specter II.
As for Ozy, I'll admit that I smelt a rat from him from the start when reading though, the 'attempt on his life' did actually have me reconsidering that, though I agree he shouldn't be so blatantly evil seeming. Though, call me crazy but wasn't it Ror that warns Ozy? Also, he doesn't come off horribly evil but he does have the look and slight accent, but never says he's descendant of Nazis, he says that The Comedian was essentially a Nazi.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 02:14:50 PM
Melodramitc_Cheese_style said:
Why so surprised? Dawn Remake was shit, 300 was high camp ridiculous shit and this will be shit.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 02:47:00 PM
dmah said:
Amazingly, the acting is as bad as the cool-looking things are cool. They don't sound like they believe any of this shit. And the compositions are totally Day of Our Lives.
Not to be all dramatic, but if the most revered graphic novel in history becomes a movie with performances cheezier than all the other comics movies combined, isn't that kind of the Apocalypse for Superhero Movies? This could hurt...
Posted 02/18/2009 at 03:36:44 PM
Zach Oat said:
Oh, Melodramitc Cheese Style, how you do go on! I'm always surprised when people say they disliked the DOTD remake. Even a Romero purist has to see the good in that movie. 300 is pretty much the book, so if you don't like it, blame Miller. I'll reserve judgment on Nazimandias for now, and can't wait to see everything in context.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 03:37:37 PM
Zac said:
Actually, I had a thought; I wonder if this is on some level intentional, some meta gag. I realized the whole reason that Comedian bit is in slo-mo is because right after that he punches a woman. But they left that out of the clip, obviously intentionally.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 04:00:54 PM
Radley Awesome said:
" but if the most revered graphic novel in history becomes a movie with performances cheezier than all the other comics movies combined, isn't that kind of the Apocalypse for Superhero Movies? This could hurt... "
It could be another Batman and Robin( strong foreshadowing by the fact a B&R soundtrack Song was used for the Trailers) , that critical lashing and poor Box Office is what canceled the scheduled 98 superman film. It wasn't till X-men and Spider-man that comic book flicks were booming again.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 08:46:51 PM
Diddy_Mao said:
I'm not big fan of the overuse of Slo-Mo, nor do I agree with the casting of Veidt. It's not any sort of deal breaker, they're just not choices I would have made.
As for the Nite Owl/Rorschach scene, it comes off as goofy and awkward in the comic as well, but it kinda works.
It's two guys in their costumes having a weird moment of "real life" invade their completely insane little world of gadgets and masks.
Posted 02/18/2009 at 09:15:15 PM
who cares? said:
for the first time i think: "alan moore was right."
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:12:22 PM
who cares? said:
for the first time i think, "alan moore was right."
Posted 02/18/2009 at 10:13:20 PM
Steebin said:
Ummm guys, wasnt the comic kinda cheesy itself? I see it being carried over to the screen pretty well so far.
Posted 02/19/2009 at 06:12:14 AM
Anonymous said:
Why are people complaining that the damn movie is actually being true to the Comics? Shut up, and enjoy the thing already.
Posted 02/19/2009 at 07:02:35 AM
Darren said:
First off... the scene is awkward intentionally. If you read the book, you'll know that both Dreiberg and Rorsarch are awkward themselves, and they can't relate to being normal people... which is why Dan says what he does to Rorsarch and then apologizes for it, and why Rorsarch responds to it with a handshake and a compliment. It's SUPPOSED to be awkward.
And I think the music in the crowd scene is great. It really wasn't what I expected but I thought it fit in great, especially because I think that scene is probably part of a bigger montage.
Posted 02/19/2009 at 10:47:34 AM
Hate to rain on your parade said:
Sorry guys! I think the scenes look great. There is nothing detrimental to the acting displayed in the clips featured above. I honestly think people will say just about anything just to find fault in Zach Snyder. This movie looks so sweet, and i for one have not felt such excitement about an upcoming film, in years, because from what Im seeing, it looks to me more and more like Snyder has indeed delivered on this film.As to the readers comments above, all I can say is I dont think any of you have got a legitimate argument about anything you have said regarding acting,music, whatever, featured in the clips on this page. This film Looks amazing.
Posted 02/19/2009 at 01:01:34 PM
Steve Simmons said:
What is this? A simple of case of: You can't make everyone, let alone anyone, happy.
Posted 02/19/2009 at 03:08:40 PM
Stupid Steebin said:
Stupid Steebin wrote:
"Steebin said:
Ummm guys, wasnt the comic kinda cheesy itself? I see it being carried over to the screen pretty well so far."
Ummm, no you twit-fool. The comic was one of the 100 greatest novels of all time and is a great story which stands alone in defining a culture and a sign of the times.
Synder took a brilliant book and made it into a movie based on nice visuals, sex, violence, and nothing much else.
To the people who keep saying, "but that scene was SUPPOSED to be awkward"
Please, stop it. You're twisting words. It was supposed to be AWKWARD because they held HANDS IN THE COMIC for a prolonged period of time. THAT's the awkwardness.
This stupid scene was awkward because it felt FAKE, unrealistic, BAD. Someone else put it best: like a b-movie or bad tv-show.
The only two actors who seem like they are trying are Manhattan and Night Owl.
Ozy is too skinny, Comedian is too subtle, Scepter is FLAT.
The more they release the clips, the more this movie looks like it's reaching suckage.
Did any of you catch the prison break scene with some actual fighting? Horrible. Simply horrible.
Posted 02/21/2009 at 02:23:01 AM
james said:
Did you hear the woodword and bernerstien line that the comedian says after that...clubbing us over the head with "its the 70s!" ooo man alan moore should start bringing suits against the people that make films off his great books...this seriously looks headed for diseaster...did Kevin Smith actually read the Watchmen?!
Posted 02/21/2009 at 05:24:04 PM
James said:
How is Dan Drieburg going to see Adrian faithful to the source material! These clips arent even close to the comic! Adrian weighs about 130 pounds and speaks with a fake german accent and that is so fake its unbelievable! He looks like a male with an eating disorder. Only the most ardent comic book nerds would die for this movie and accep anytthing they put on screen...please this is horrible!! I can see why Alan Moore wants nothing to do with this? I cant take this anymore!
Posted 02/21/2009 at 05:32:47 PM
james said:
Not to mention that it comes across as bad tv....oo my god give me the sam hamm verison over this nonsense!
Posted 02/21/2009 at 06:14:27 PM
james said:
and yes there is a side of campiness to the whole watchmen world but its not this campy! Its more directed at the whole comic book facade and its campiness portrayed in a smart way. I know this is a challenging picture to put onto to film but come on! If anything it should poke fun at itself not take it self so seriously bad!
Posted 02/21/2009 at 06:27:50 PM
james said:
thats what i kind of like about the sam hamm script
Posted 02/21/2009 at 06:37:14 PM
varrior said:
So James, are you done fucking multiposting? Or do you feel like having more of your drivel spill out?
Given that this is still a faithful adaptation, I'm willing to take a chance on it.
Posted 02/21/2009 at 08:32:01 PM
James said:
I ll reserve judgement till i see the film but till then im alittle worried...just very passionate thats all.
Posted 02/21/2009 at 08:46:39 PM






