• Happy to see that piece of shithole called robocrap being bashed by wise anime and real anime fans. The anime community is always on the Macross side anyway for obvious reasons (better story, better continuity, better characters, better music, better animation and the list gon on forever). roboshit just can't compete with that mastepiece called Macross. Sorry roboturd fanboys. ^^

• Have fun with Robotech. When's Robotech's new TV series coming out? I'd venture to say when Duke Nukem Forever comes out. While oblivion approaches, Ill watch the two Macross Frontier movies coming out, and have fun with my DX Chogokin Macross Quarter and 1/2000 scale DYRL Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

• I tell you why people. When a franchise lack ORIGINALITY and appeal like robotech (notice the little r), stealing is a normal thing to do in order to survive. Thank God MACROSS does not need to use such dirty tactic in order to remain ORIGINAL and successful.

• Macross is the best serie anime japanese of all time, born in the 80' years" robotech is a inferior franchise compared to Macross.

• Robotech is the most awesomenest thing ever. The various Macross show were hit and miss. Focker! No!!!!

• sorry for the double post.

• I think I should clarify something I wrote way up top. When I stated I've seen every Macross cartoon and judge Robotech to be better... I meant every episode of the original Macross series (and worded that poorly). I'm not trying to put Robotech up against the entirety of the Macross legacy, just a direct compare/contrast between the two versions of the same show. Everything else are works that have to be judged on their own merits. (Personally I really admire Plus and parts of Zero... 2,7, were not my cup of tea and Frontier I'm not convinced about.) And also by saying I think Robotech is better I'm in NO WAY trying to take anything away from Macross's importance as a work of great animation/storytelling or it's cultural significance... both are things that easily speak for themselves. I still stand by what I said up top... I think Robotech pulled off a long shot hat trick of tweaking things just right... and I mean that purely within the aesthetic quality of the show itself (and I do agree Minmei songs were awful, but I never cared about the music in the first place ).

• I think I should clarify something I wrote way up top. When I stated I've seen every Macross cartoon and judge Robotech to be better... I meant every episode of the original Macross series (and worded that poorly). I'm not trying to put Robotech up against the entirety of the Macross legacy, just a direct compare/contrast between the two versions of the same show. Everything else are works that have to be judged on their own merits. (Personally I really admire Plus and parts of Zero... 2,7, were not my cup of tea and Frontier I'm not convinced about.) And also by saying I think Robotech is better I'm in NO WAY trying to take anything away from Macross's importance as a work of great animation/storytelling or it's cultural significance... both are things that easily speak for themselves. I still stand by what I said up top... I think Robotech pulled off a long shot hat trick of tweaking things just right... and I mean that purely within the aesthetic quality of the show (and I do agree Minmei songs were awful, but I never cared about the music in the first place ).

• I think I should clarify something I wrote way up top. When I stated I've seen every Macross cartoon and judge Robotech to be better... I meant every episode of the original Macross series (and worded that poorly). I'm not trying to put Robotech up against the entirety of the Macross legacy, just a direct compare/contrast between the two versions of the same show. Everything else are works that have to be judged on their own merits. (Personally I really admire Plus and parts of Zero... 2,7, were not my cup of tea and Frontier I'm not convinced about.) And also by saying I think Robotech is better I'm in NO WAY trying to take anything away from Macross's importance as a work of great animation/storytelling or it's cultural significance... both are things that easily speak for themselves. I still stand by what I said up top... I think Robotech pulled off a long shot hat trick of tweaking things just right... and I mean that purely within the aesthetic quality of the show (and I do agree Minmei songs were awful, but I never cared about the music in the first place ).

• "How these little robocrap fuckers expect to be taken seriously by the anime community ? It's beyoung me. roboass fanboys need help for sure." I'm sure the whole community takes you very seriously when you change the name of a series to an immature pun involving excrement. It's beyoung me too.

• Hey, Macross fanboy: Will you just STFU and go eat a wet bag of hobo dicks already?

• "Macross is the BEST OF THE BEST! Its sequals pay homagages to a 25 y.o. franchise and the fans lvoe it." That's all I seem to hear... Also, the reason for all the Macross fanboy rage? Macross fanboys can afford spend time crapping on retro Americanized cartoons. Thank god for college. (PS: Patlobor did it right.)

• @ Evil Captain Kirk: You'd think so. God forbid Rob have an opinion of his own.

• It not only smacks massive ignorance but it shows how these stupid robocrap fanboys lost touch with the reality. I mean Macross has been doing great things over the years while roboturd has been doing NOTHING AT ALL during that time. How these little robocrap fuckers expect to be taken seriously by the anime community ? It's beyoung me. roboass fanboys need help for sure.

• I really can't agree with the macross hating in this post. I really can't. It smacks of massive, massive ignorance. At least the video is good.

• Leaving TR over this? "Roboturd"? Seriously, are we fucking 12 years old here?

• As someone who has already seen Frontier in it's entirety let me assure everyone that it is superb. The series was put together as part of Macross' anniversary last year (so not really a new trailer there) It's laden with homages from all the best moments in Macross history complete with a mother fucking DAEDALUS MANEUVER that brought tears of nerd joy to my eyes. and the animation, story, music are excellent. TR you've never been more wrong about something.

• Can anyone explain to me the difference between macross and robotech in terms of story? I don't really care about the music (I saw robotech and minmei's songs were pure shit but I don't really have high hopes for the macross stuff) and all this fanboys rants are not coherent enough for an ignorant on the subject like me.

• A professional anime nerd for seven years? Sounds like you didn't get the memo that Robotech died in 1985 and died again in 2006.

• robotech is nothing more than a parasite that leaches off on other people's works so that Harmony Gold can make money off of stupid fan-boys

• Okay, that last comment sounded a little brutal, but come on, the singing of the Robotech Minmei was used as a <i>weapon against humans</i> in fanfiction, for crying out loud.

• I don't get why Robotech's "Macross Saga" is better than any and all of Macross... When it is just the original Macross, dubbed and toned down, edited for violence and shower scenes. Is it better because you can pretend that it came from America, not Japan?

• The reason reason behind these "crazy reactions" is the fact that the asshole who post the video attacked one of the most important franchise in anime history without any valid reason. The bashing towards robocrap is therefore well deserved.

• Macross : A true masterpiece since 1982 robocrap : A true piece of shit ripoff since 1985 Enough said.

• Oh, and the crazy reactions in this thread pretty much explains why I stopped watching anime. Same reason I don't like Whedon's stuff: The fans fucking scare me.

• It's been years since I watched any Macross or Robotech stuff. Is that supposed to be Minmei? Or am I just hopelessly out of date?

• The failed version : "I'm reasonably confident TR has a decent amount of Robotech fans" The corrected version : I'm reasonably confident TR has a decent amount of MACROSS fans"

• Give Macross over roboshit anytime. ^^

• A quote from somewhere: "The year was 1985, Robotech was on the TV, and we all learned so much." That being said, don't hate on Macross Frontier, it's teh shit, unlike that Macross 7 pansy crap. Oh, and DO play the fucking PSP Macross Ultimate Frontier game, it is seriously to die for. Seriously.

• Since when comparing a shit failed ripoff like robocrap with Macross makes sense ? Macross is playing in the NBA while roboturd is playing in a shity street league. That's why you can't compare them with each other. Enough said.

• Mrs Borg-Cylon love child bought me the entire Robotech saga for christmas 2008. My kids have the CG movie from 2007... Rob don't let Michael Bay ruin this part of my childhood!

• Of course, there are better failures in the Macross Saga adaptation to speak of... like the fact that according to Rebecca Forstadt (aka Reba West, the actress who voiced Minmei), the crew had to get her liquored up before she could be persuaded to sing those terrible songs.

• The hell with you all. Patlabor is the better franchise anyways lol. Now dance my trolls of hate dance!!!!

• In fact people, roboshit does not have a story at all. All robotech has is NONSENSES after NONSENSES. Military hardware being powered flowers (yes people, flowers ...), a ship (SDF-2) being destroyed off screen when the animation does not even support that fact, fold drive being a ripoff of Star Trek warp drive (see roboshit : the shadow crapnipples) and many other nonsenses. And don't get me started on the HUGE plot holes because there are too many to keep track off.

• At least, Macross celebrated it 25th anniversary with style with Frontier. As far as I know, harmonazy gold is doing nothing to celebrate the 25th anniversary of roboturd. Maybe because roboshit is dying ? But be sure robotech fanboys are going to celebrate with masturbation sessions all over their roboturd DVDs. ^^

• Those saying the crap called robocrap is better than Macross have mental issues since they have been brainwashed by harmonazy gold. Having said that, these roboass fanboys need psychological help before it's too late (yeah, yeah I know it's too late for most of them but you never know).

• Glad to see Macross yet again winning a battle against roboturd.

• Since roboshit have that many CANCELLED and FAILED sequels unlike Macross, I bet same will happen for the robocrap LAM. If you want to watch a success story people go watch Macross otherwise go shit on roboass.

• I can appreciate Robotech for what it is and in that regard kind of enjoy it, but its' Macross Saga was never anything more than a toned-down dub of SDF: Macross with the requisite name changes, an alteration to the meaning of Protoculture and some SDC: Southern Cross footage spliced in towards the end to lead into the second portion of the hybrid series. Sure it retained more of the original's mature themes compared to its contemporaries, but it had as much in common with other 80s/90s dubs as it had different. Enjoyment of fiction is almost entirely subjective of course and not liking most of the Macross followups is fine (I preferred Mac II to Plus, personally), but I can't see how anyone comparing SDF: Macross and Robotech's Macross Saga with even the slightest sliver of objectivity can come away thinking the latter is better.

• Blah blah blah JETS WITH LEGS blah blah blah

• Everyone and even robotech fans know how robotech (LITTLE r on purpose) is a failure at every level compared to the beautiful MACROSS (CAPITAL letters on purpose). ROBOTECHFANPLUS proved that by taking MACROSS vids and transformed them into ripofftech ones. All robotech can do is rip other shows. Have you seen robotech : the shadow crapnicles ? It was like watching a Star Trek episode. Just to tell you how robotech is a dying franchise going nowhere unlike the almyghty MACROSS.

• roboshit fans are jealous of Macross because their piece of shit roboturd is dying while Macross is doing very well. Enough said.

• Geoff is a brainwashed roboass imbecile like 95% of roboshit fan.

• Ryan and the guy who post that video are two robocrap idiots. Go back watching your inferior version for kids called roboshit if you love that shit so hard.

• Macross yet again proving why roboshit is a piece of crap since 1985.

• And with that I'm no longer a ToplessRobot reader

• Frontier is the best animated series to come out in YEARS. Yeah,the original is better,but you gotta come out with new shit sometimes.

• Macross will ALWAYS win out for me because it has something that Robotech dose not have: "Real Sequels" Macross has a great and richer history that's been going on for 25 years now, not this cut and paste three shows that have nothing to do with each other and are connected with piss poor story editing, and Robotech is nowhere near "genuine humanistic moments". I guess that "Argument" is still going now that Macross Frontier was great success and Robotech: the shadow chronicles was a huge disappointment

• Macross will ALWAYS win out for me because it has something that Robotech dose not have: "Real Sequels" Macross has a great and richer history that's been going on for 25 years now, not this cut and paste three shows that have nothing to do with each other and are connected with piss poor story editing, and Robotech is nowhere near "genuine humanistic moments". I guess that "Argument" is still going now that Macross Frontier was great success and Robotech: the shadow chronicles was a huge disappointment

• Love the adds! awesome!

• Robotech always will win out for me just for the sheer badassery of the transforming bikes in the third season. And, really, it's not like much was lost by stringing them together in the first place while the story was made more epic. Sure, it's no longer "pure", but who gives a shit anymore? That argument was tired in 1999. I dig Macross Plus more than either of those, however, since even though it does contain the usual quotient of anime bullshit (SINGING SUPERCOMPUTERS!), it's a neat take on The Right Stuff.

• Damn those Commercials are cool... Man i wish Holly Wood could give me a Macross Movie that looks like this. As for Robotech over Macross. I loved Robotech when i was a 4 years old but looking at bouth Versions now it's got waaay more things that i don't like (or outright hate) than Macross. Music is a big part of the Story but in Robotech Minmay allways sings the same brain melting horrible song. Sad thing is that if there will be a Movie that there is not a chance for the Oringal Storyline with Hikaru rather than "Rick Hunter". By the way how old was Minmay again? Hikaru/Rick is a creep.

• Robotech better than Macross? That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

• fuck Robotech!!! Macross Forever!!!

• Well, I watched Robotech as a kid and inmediatly hooked me on anime, so it's certainly not bad. Now, I haven't seen Choyiku Yosai Macross in its entirety (just the first ten-or-so episodes), and save the "emphasis on music" stuff, I think it's pretty close. I've seen all Macross sequels with the first generation of Robotech as a basis, and really, it makes sense anyways. So, they're kind of the same thing for me, save the names and music. Now, "Do You Remember Love"? THAT's Macross in a nutshell, gorgeous animation, mecha designs, etc.

• &#64; CSk1: Holy shit! Let's hold a debate on this already! ;)

• Robotech fan over HERE. When the FUCK is Toby gonna get his shit together and get the movie going?

• Macross Frontier is awesome...if you're a big Macross fan and can get all the gazillion references to other shows in it. It's a 25th anniversary series and was made for fans. Otherwise, it's rather weird. And I wasn't crazy about the "high school" bits - but the insane finale made up for it. Macross 7 I've barely seen any of and can't vouch for. But overall, the Macross franchise is pretty damn good.

• Robotech was (and is) better than the original Macross. I've seen every Macross cartoon in multiple forms (subbed, fan dubbed, pro-dubbed, illegal, legal, etc.) and Robotech surpasses them all. It was more tightly scripted and ratcheted down the melodrama a bunch (though there was still plenty to go around). It fleshed out the characters in better ways and put in a more logical plot structure. And it added small but genuine humanistic moments that have made it last in the minds of those who watched it as kids in the 80's to now. Normally I'm a purist myself and have hated many hatchet jobs done to anime in translation... but Robotech was not one of them. It was the rare opposite.

• actually Macross Frontier is the best looking of all of the series. And the great thing is the nearly shot by shot shout outs to the original. Man love that shit, makes me nostalgic as fuck when they did that shit in the first couple episodes.

• Robotech's Macross Saga?!?!?!? How dare you say that bastardized version is better than any thing of Macross? The original was the best of all things Macross. It had a great compelling love story to it with a good mixture of songs that can be enjoyed. You can't say the same about that bastardized version known as Robotech the Macross Saga. That is nothing more than a watered down version of the original story with nothing but the replay of the SAME DAMN SONG OVER AND OVER AGAIN! One movie of Macross you forgot to Mention that tops anything else Macross is "Macross: Do You Remember Love?" The retelling of the original story and supposedly a film made in the Macross universe (witch is heavily referenced later in other Macross Series and OVA's. All accept Zero however.) Do You Remember Love is a masterpiece of Japanese animation. and is a must watch on any anime fans list. and actually the movie was released in the states back in the late 80's and early 90's as Battle of the Zentoids but it was an edited down dubbed piece of crap. it came out again under another name, new dub and licensed by a diffrent company. Since then though the licensing has become nothing but a long paper trail with no end in sight. Do You Remember love? would have been released with The AnimeEigo Macross set if the paper trail wasn't so big. Now I need to give you a personal review as macross fan to point out with the individual series, Movies, and OVA's. Macross II is actually very good. It was actually at one time the sequel to Macross "Do You Remember Love?" and quiet nicely fit originally. But now it's considered to have taken place in a "Parallel World" and is now Non-Canon since it wasn't worked on by Studio Nue or Shoji Kawamori. It was instead produced by AIC and ONIRO with Big West's Permission for Macross 10th anniversary. Macross Plus, this one is very good since it is the Top Gun of anime, but it is also one of the least liked Macross series but this is only because most people I know have only seen the movie version instead of the 4 episode OVA. The 4 episode OVA is the best one to watch Not only does it have scenes that help tell the story of Macross Plus in a more understandable way, The OVA DVD's weren't lousy VHS rips like the movie version. (I'm still pissed off at Manga for that one.) Macross 7, it's movie and OVA's I can admit I didn't really care for this one all to much. But It wasn't aimed for the typical Macross fan wanting a serious story. It was aimed at Kids and people who wanted something slightly silly, episodic, corny as hell, had mecha's, with good music. And the music I can say was a worthy part of Macross 7 because most of it was really good and sometimes even made you wanna sing a long with the Basara and Mylene even if you didn't care for the story of most episodes. Now Macross 7 would have been good years ago to bring to the states for kids atleast. But it will never come to the states Not only because of Harmony Gold and their bullshit trying to claim they own everything macross, but because of age and the seperate licensing deal for the music witch would take all the anime companies in the US to license. Macross Zero, It is worth the watch and has a unique story based around Roy Foker and another Pilot named Shin Kuduo (The story focuses more aroudn Shin however). based one year before the original series would take place. The biggest thing I felt was missing from Zero though is the music. It does have it but it's not as memorable as you got with some of the other Macross series. This one more tried to show the Mech fights in 3D more than anything else. Other than that, it's still pretty good. Macross Frontier I have not seen, I cannot comment on it, I do plan on watching it however when I get the time. But now since my review is done on that, Let's get down to the big factors about Macross and robotech. Macross despite having the longest history of licensing problems in the states and their legal battle with Tatsunoko and Harmony Gold, it has to be one of the most successful franchises in Japan. Robotech however, you cannot say the same thing about in the US. Robotech has been on nothing but a course for destruction. After Robotech they released Robotech The Movie witch was an automatic flop (16mm film and 32mm film does not mix! Especially one from an OVA and the other from a TV series!), They tried to release Robotech II: The Sentinels, but was canceled after 3 episodes were produced. After that it was nothing but proposal after proposal and cancellation and Harmony Gold did nothing to further their Robotech Franchise. The only things that have kept robotech from flatlining till now was the toy sales, video game sales, comics, and the recently released Shadow chronicles movie that was going to lead to another new movie called Shadow Rising. Obviously that went nowhere as well. The only people who are still intrested in Robotech anymore are the people who grew up with it in the 80's and the few people like myself that wanted to see the differences between robotech and the original series that it bastardized. Now despite my raging against Robotech and how much better the original macross and the macross series are, I can only give Robotech respect for one thing and one thing only. It was a gateway anime and it was a stepping stone towards the more refined anime industry that exists in the states today. Without robotech we might not know about anime today. As I said it is the only thing of respect I can give that bastardized series.

• Do Your Remember Love is one of the greatest pieces of animation ever, and I'm not even a big Macross fan. There's no way Robotech is better than that. I can't judge for a majority of the other Macross properties, but Macross 7 was awesome in a... Cheesy, yet super cool way.

• So, wait. No American adaptation can be better than any Japanese thing, ever. And Rob's the prejudiced one? (Note: Minimal exposure to either version, much to my shame. Just noting cultural biases and suchlike)

• Macross: Do You Remember Love is the best Macross shit ever. Frontier's success is based on stealing/paying homage to DYRL.

• Macross 7 and Macross Frontier really mirrored what the original series was all about. The concept of music being a force of energy and being something spiritual in nature that can traverse language barriers and home in on something much more primal. All this told in a backdrop of an epic space opera? It's hard to say that you don't like the others because it's all the same story. I never really feel like I'm watching a different show. It all feels like one cohesive story that just ties in with the prior chapters.

• <blockquote>Meanwhile, Robotech's Macross Saga -- and this comes from a dude who was a professional anime nerd for seven years -- is better than any and all of them.</blockquote> What?!?!? I would agree with you on M7 and Macross II. But Robotech? A big NO. Carl Macek just basically screwed it.

• i somehow need to get to tokyo, break into a pachiko parlor and steal me one of these machines!!!! engorged is right!!!

• Sorry, I thought it looked pretty cool.

• You forgot the part where the underage chinese pop star's cousin throws gin bottles at her.

• Engorged with nerd joy... Ew.

• So some American adaptation is better than the original story, as well as stuff you've never even seen? Way to be judgmental and show your ignorance.

• wow robotech rage already?

• FRONTIER was the best new show last year, even if they intentionally left the dning open so they could make a second movie for 2011. I would take ANY Macross over Robotech any day, as any RIHT THINKING anime fan would!

• I liked Frontier the most to be honest.

• What? No panties? This is a JAPANESE ad, right?

• Did she have an orgasm at the 24 second mark?

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