DC's Source blog debuted a new trailer for Smallville's "Absolute Justice" two-parter, and it's up above. Mainly it's about Clark finding the old Justice Society of America headquarters and getting into everything (um, I certainly don't know for sure, but should the Golden Age Green Lantern's lantern just be hanging out like that?). I'm trying to be good and not knock Smallville, but every time I see Hawkman, my knee-jerk reaction is to mock. But rather than make fun of him, I want to try and figure out exactly what's wrong with him. Is it that the helmet seems overly big? Is it the bird motif, that just doesn't work as well in live-action than in the comics? Something else? I'm being serious. If you guys have any thoughts I'd love to hear them. Oh, and don't forget there'll be a TR live-blog for "Absolute Justice" when it aars on February 5th.
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wait Wait WAIT... they won't let him suit up in HIS costume, and yet they've gone this far?!?! I don't even care if the show is good... that's just fucking retarded!!!
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I can't wait to see this when it aars. I'm assuming it is a pirate.
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Hey, getting obscure characters into the open is always good in my book...Just look at Brave and the Bold...
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Crap, I think he was even obscure back during All-Star Squadron. But, yeah, the fact that he doesn't have a directly-named descendant anymore hurts his visibility these days.
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The main problem is definitely the eyes. Sometimes less is more. But I'm sure that you could overlook all of that if the guy hulked over everyone else by a good 4-6 inches of heavy muscle. Then he could wear a tutu and still be menacing. As for Lantern's stuff, I would guess that after they were gone whoever placed them there felt that they were in a secure area. I mean, look at the JLA trophy room. That thing contains some of the most dangerous articles in the DC universe. Plus, I'm sure that if not many people knew it existed, then not many people even knew the Alan Scott GL's oath. Even if they did, the lantern only worked as a power battery ONCE! It was supposed to be ONCE TO BRING LIFE, ONCE TO BRING DEATH, AND ONCE TO BRING POWER. Once.
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HOLY CRAP! I want those Green Lantern prop's!
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My problem with the "Superman Returns" and "Spider-Man" outfits was that they were supposedly made by untrained characters in the movie, but they looked like they were made by a costume department with a million and a half dollar budget. They looked okay fine as costumes (Spidey much more so than Supes), but it still took me out of the movie.
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Yeah, he is pretty obscure outside the pages of JSA. And even there, really.
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Well, digging in to his story I got to Stargirl, so that might've helped in the first place, but still...kind of an obscure character...Considering I got Mr. Terrific at the end there, I was surprised I didn't recognize him.
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I think this is going to be awesome. And, honestly, complaining that people in superhero outfits look silly in real life? That's a given. Why bitch about it?
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Stargirl started out as the new Star-Spangled Kid, then when Jack Knight gave up being Starman, and gave her the Cosmic Rod (get your mind out of the gutter), she took the name Stargirl.
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Hawkman wore a cowl for a while, but everyone hated how it looks, and with good reason. You have to keep the hawk head.
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But what was wrong with the colours of the Reeve outfit? Singer was so slavish to all the dumb aspects of Donner's Superman (real estate scammer Lex, wimpy Clark) but screwed around with the most iconic thing, the costume. I don't know anyone who says 'oh, the 1978 Superman costume did't look good.' Sure, it helps to have Chris Reeve carrying himself like an actual hero in it, but... c'mon. The bright primary colours are as much a part of Superman as the logo itself. Oh, and the cape looked like it was pulled off a cheap action figure - too plastic-y. So I guess aside from the logo, the colours, the cape and the tailoring, it's a good look.
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Me: Welp, let's take a close look at the JSA past pic, scanning through, most are recognizable--except for that guy on the far left--who the hell is that? DC Wikia: Oh, that's Star-Spangled Kid... Me:...Who?
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See, I liked the "drab" colors, but the small logo was one of the details I mentioned not liking. The microtexturing actually worked for me, it made the costume look a little less plain and $1.99 off the sales rack. I definitely disagree that the red should have been bright and the blue dark. Bright red tends to look really cheap and sleazy. I can't think of any costumes that looked great and had a lot of bright red. As for the way the cape is attached? Eh, I can live with that. I honestly didn't notice until you mentioned that. I knew something was funky about the neckline, but I couldn't ever place it.
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The picture of the justice society seems like the last supper. I look forward to see this episode.
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What I didn't like about the Superman Returns costume was the mini-texturing. Why do they feel the need to do this? Same with movie Spidey. The other thing was they darkened the wrong colour- it should have been a bright red with navy blue, not sky blue with dark red- that looked terrible!
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The big problem is that live action Hawkman needs good wings. The kind you can only get with X-Men 3 movie money, which is a little out of the CW's budget. While I'm at it, I'd probably go with the golden age cap helmet (how many feathered things does he need anyways), mute the color scheme to browns (green pants are too far), and have everything be made out of leather rather than spandex.
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Homonym humor was definitely not something I was expecting to find in the comments. Well done. ;)
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I haven't read the other comments, but I had pretty much given up on Smallville after the craptacular last season. Then I stayed up all night and caught up on this one. Jesus Christ, things have gotten awesome again. Even the damned Wonder Twins weren't that bad. I.....I am actually wanting to watch more.
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I always knew Rob drank and cursed like a sailor but he's gone pirate on us! Aar!
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Not being able to see Hawkman's eyes should help too.
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I noticed Kendra's costume too, pretty funny, really.
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I didn't like the Superman Returns costume either, for much the same reasons: Logo too small, undies too small, drab colors, and <i>wrong neckline</i>. That bit annoyed me the most. His cape was attached wrong, it was just bad.
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the reason Hawkman looks goofy is he and hawk girl are one of those characters who really can not translate into other media without looking goofy as for Alan Scots power ring and battery being left out Clark is in the trophy room so that thing was proably put there as a trophy and seeing that clip makes me wish they could have tried and included the Spectre in the episode without him looking goofy at least we get doctor fate and Waller
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On Hawkman (well, that version), the wings were basically just decoration. The harness is where the 40s-science-loving 'nth metal' is stored, and that's what allows him to fly. [cue 'the more you know' logo.]
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Hah! When I went back and looked at the full body picture that was released, that is the first thing I noticed. I immediately thought "how the hell does he fly with those things?"
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'I have to say that, besides a few details, that's got to be the best live-action Superman costume.' I still hate that stupid small chest logo and the drab colours. Just doesn't look Superman-y enough for me. Superman's actually sleek enough - as you note, that's the key with comics outfits translating to live action - that they've never really done it badly. Heck, even George Reeves' outfit, low-budget as it was, didn't look all that bad, and the Reeve and Cain versions both looked fine enough. I still don't get why it's so tough to get a Bat-costume whose head turns; part of the problem is that Hollywood always wants to integrate the cowl with the rest of the suit and make it armoured, which isn't the way the costume's supposed to look. As goofy as the Adam West outfit was, that's the way the cowl actually is supposed to work, and he had no trouble turning his head when wearing it. But all the rubber / graphite versions make it tough to do.
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The helm on Hawkman I can deal with. I think the wings are too small. It makes him look like a Chippendale dancer trying to dress like a Cherub. Pass the mind bleach please.
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I think the Hawkman costume fails on the same point that ALL costumes fail on, besides RDJ's Iron Man and the suit from Dark Knight. This failure extends out to cosplayers, too. Basically, things can't be in the same proportion in real life as they are drawn. Even when you make them in CGI, you have to thin them out -- look at how stupid arm cuffs usually look when they aren't hand drawn, for example. The suit from Dark Knight slimmed everything down, and made it non-bulky. They even pointed out how silly the traditional costume is when looked at from a practical standpoint -- you can't turn your head. Simple as that. That said -- Clark's whole Matrix getup is stupid. Now, I'm sure that putting on the traditional outfit would look silly too...as much crap people give Singer's "Superman Returns," I have to say that, besides a few details, that's got to be the best live-action Superman costume. Ah, that was the other point -- toning down the colors. Bright, pure, happy primary and secondary colors look great on paper, but not on the screen. I've watched Smallville for years, and am only still watching it because I've watched it this far, and I might as well see it through (Anyone who is still reading the Wheel of Time books can attest to that argument).
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You should have said "'Absolute Justice' when it errs on February 5th."
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Based on the helmet alone, I think that the beak is too small and skinny when compared to the massive cheeks and forehead. This throws off the proportions of what could be an impressive helmet. It is almost as if Hawkman went to see Michael Jackson's doctor for a beak job, and this is the end result. If a Hawkman is to be truly impressive he has to have a powerful schnoz, so this actor's puny phallic is laughable.
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Since I forgot to mention it - well, let's just say that it's been sitting in a wooden case all these years and drained of its power or something like that. Easy enough. (Oh, and somewhat interesting triviata - the power ring wasn't nearly as important as the Lantern in Alan Scott's time, since he just carved the ring out of the lantern.)
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I think it's just that the Hawkman outfit doesn't work in live action. It's an awesome visual when drawn or animated, but asking someone to wear that just doesn't hold up. Freeze-frame on the painting when it zooms in on Jay, Hawkman, Hawkgirl and The Spectre (... weird...); the outfit looks fine there. Of course, we all know how awesome Hawkman looks whenever he shows up in anything animated; even The Batman made him look good. But it's just not a great look for something done on a TV budget. (I'm not going to be getting to actual Hawkman on the JLR blog for a while, but his doppelanger's episodes are coming up soon, and this gives me an idea for the related backgrounder.) What's weird is that someone goofed and used the modern Hawkgirl as reference for the painting - that's clearly Kendra. Wonder if that's a plot point. And I think it's good that Smallville's inherent shittiness and my recent dislike of Johns' comics work has dropped my expectations to a minimal level for this one; they'd have to make Stargirl the villain or something similarly stupid for me not to have positive thoughts about this. But I sure as hell ain't going to watch the show for the next 'regular' episode, which is what I think something like this is supposed to get me to do.
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Ok, I don't give a crap about Smallville but I would watch that. I like what I've seen of the Dr. Fate costume. Also, it's not just GL's Lantern, but also his power ring sitting right next to it! That seems careless.
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