This new, Jim Lee-designed outfit (yeah, really) is part of Wonder Woman's #600 issue extravaganza, where J. Michael Straczynski will start writing along with a brand new origin. Check it, courtesy of JMS himself:
I actually have no problem with the gods rewriting WW's origin -- seems a fine way to straighten the character out -- but I don't know that Diana growing up on the mean streets straightens anything. I'll leave it for you guys to ponder in the comments, although I'm especially interested in hearing what the nerd girls have to say. (Via DC's Source)The Gods, for reasons of their own but which may have something to with their survival and perhaps the survival of Earth itself, have changed the timeline. In the new timeline, years ago the Gods removed their protection from Paradise Island, and left it vulnerable to attack. And attacked it was. Led by a dark figure, a veritable army descended upon the Island, equipped with weapons that could kill even the Amazons. Outgunned, doomed, Hippolyta gave over her three-year-old daughter to a handful of guardians who spirited her away as Hippolyta led one last desperate battle against the forces that had come to destroy all she had created. In that final battle, she and most of the Amazons were killed, though some managed to escape.
It's now nearly twenty years later. Diana has been raised in an urban setting, but with a foot in both worlds. She has little or no memory of the other timeline. She knows only what she's been told by those who raised her On the run, hunted, she must try to survive, help the other refugee Amazons escape the army that is still after them, discover who destroyed Paradise Island and why...and if the timeline can be corrected or not. She also does not yet have access to her full powers, but will be gaining them as she goes. Along the way, she will face a range of enemies -- human and otherwise -- who we have not seen before.
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I do want to. By the way I love Star Trek so :p
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While I don't much like the new costume (because it looks a bit generic 1990's hero-ish), my big issues is the re-telling of Wonder Woman's origin. One would think after Crisis on Multiple-Earths, Infinite Crisis, One-Year later, and numerous OTHER times where they've confused and pissed off fans by changing the timeline and history, they wouldn't' be stupid enough to do it AGAIN in such a massive way. Wonder Woman affects pretty much EVERY hero at DC. Particularly the Justice League and her sidekicks. How are they going to explain all that?
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I like it, but perhaps, seeing the negative feedback, I shouldn't say that.
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And Silk Specter I STILL has a better outfit than Silk Specter II!
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Personally as a costume designer I don't have a huge problem with it. The main thing about clothing is describing who a person is, where they grow up and what their culture is. So I think it fits well with WW new story. I like this out fit because we are used to seeing her in her "hero uniform" as her everyday wear. She can easily make the transition in to hero from the street. She does not need a secret identity, she is wonder woman.
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That is a ridiculous statement. Try using facts to support your opinions next time. You may also want to refrain from making such generalizations while at the same time offending both those who may disagree as well as agree with you. Besides, how old are you? You haven't seen Star Wars? That says much more about your life experience (or lack thereof), knowledge of pop culture (or lack thereof), and choice in entertainment than it does about how much of a nerd you are. For the record, this outfit is okay to me as something she might wear at some point, like an alternate uniform for whatever reason... but as Wonder Woman's main costume it's crap. It'll pass.
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I like it for two reasons: 1. JMS is involved. 2. She is covered and does not look like she stepped out of a Sluts Anon. meeting, unlike a lot of female superheros.
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It's crap!
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hell, you know this is just temporary right? when purist nerdraegd just enough, they'll bring back her classic costume in no time flat.
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Craptacular. Craptastic. a total Crappapalooza
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Go back and look at Wonder Woman's first appearances. Her costume has changed to same extent as Supeman and Batman -- minor tweaking here and there, but the general look has remained the same, until now.
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The original costume showed a lot of skin, so to make a big dramatic change the only thing to do was cover her up a lot. Unfortunately, the look does feel *extremely* dated. The only writer in recent history who really got WW was Gail Simone, and it is tragic that her great work with the character is being poofed away in some bullshit, literal deus-ex-machina kind of relaunch (I know, I know, that device is for the end of a story, not the beginning, but I think it fits here.) I suppose a freshening of a character is fine as the years go by, but there is a point where you change so many elements to an origin that the character isn't even the character anymore -- just a completely new one with the same old name. Imagine if Superman wasn't raised by the Kents, but by a group of people in an urban setting ... raised in Smallville by the Kents is as fundamental to the who/what of the character as his Kryptonian origin. The same is true of WW. They didn't make her new, they UN-made her. And any kid can stamp on a sand castle. This feels as much like the artists needing to put "their" stamp on an icon as anything else. Real talent takes the character as it exists and grows it in new directions. A giant reboot is just like a little kid changing the rules of a game while you're playing.
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dude go look at Bats and Sups very first appearance. The changes were subtle but they ain't wearing the same thing they wore all those decades ago.
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HORK! That's terrible! I hope this is just for some story, and not "the new" look for Diana. I like how she has knee protectors as shoulder pads.
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Nerd Girl checking in. There isn't enough hate to describe how I feel about this atrocity. I realize many people think her old outfit was silly but then again just as many people think Superman's costume is just as silly too. But at the end of the day BOTH costumes are iconic and at the end of the day they should always go back to them. I am not opposed to periodic change to suit a story or an arc but is this really the best they could have come up with. It's ugly as hell.
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Um, people DID care when Superman changed his costume. Remember Supeman Blue? Yeah, that lasted. And Batman hasn't changed his costume, unless you count the darkening/little yellow circle, which comes and goes depending on the writer and artist. Spider-Man also changed his costumer - I think under JMS. Didn't the whole "Iron Spider" costume evolve while JMS was writing him? Yeah, that lasted long too.
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This is an awful idea. I get the leggings. But the jacket is just lame, uninspired, outdated and silly. What, is it bulletproof? Otherwise why isn't it ripped to shreds/shot through with holes/pulled over her head each time she gets into a fight? And the reboot, wow. Making her a "street level" fighter? Who cares? Straczynski always does this -- he seems bored with continuity and characters' rich history, and instead views it as his province to retcon everything that makes a character cool. Spider-Man is a geeky teenager bitten by a radioactive spider? Let's make his powers magic-based instead. Superman is a sci-fi superhero with the power to crush moons? Let's make him walk across the country instead. Wonder Woman is a godess with mythological elements? Let's make her an urban streetfighter instead. Bleh. I'll stick to Batman. And for those who say this always happens, note that (1) Superman is wearing the same costume and has the origin he's had for 70+ years, with only minor modernizing modifications and (2) the same is true for Batman. Good writers take what's great about a character and make it even more impressive (Waid and even Byrne with Superman's origin; Frank Miller with Batman's origin and future.) They don't gut a character completely to fit their own ego.
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*stiff upper lip* Nice. This deserves a high-five.
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Okay, I understand I now get what you're saying. I don't have a problem with pants, my biggest issue was removing the eagle plated breast plate. There just isn't anything about this costume that screams "Wonder Woman." Compare this with the Flash, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, Superman, Thor, and a host of other superheroes (none of them seem concerned that they don't have a jacket to hold their house keys either). You are right though, Eve Torres would be perfect for Wonder Woman.
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The gauntlets have a witchbladeish feel, which I'm rather liking. The shirt has a corsetish feel and the "belt" is easily ascribed to that feel given the gold inlay at the top edge of the shirt. Between the costume and Straczynski taking up writing duties, I may have to start following WW again. Hopefully JMS addresses the serious weakness WW suffers as a stand alone character since he gets to start with a fresh pallet compliments of the new origin.
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The red top now has straps, though you can't see them with the <s>Superboy</s> half jacket on at that angle. I disagree with the comments on the legs. If you look at her proportions (analytically, not as we usually do), you'll note that Lee has drawn her about 6 1/2 heads tall, while Michelangelo's <i>David</i> is about 8. Her legs are long--about 3 1/2 to 4 heads--but that length is not unusual in idealized figure drawing. Also, when one is used to seeing a character in briefs, which make the legs look shorter, and is then seeing the same character in pants, which tend to draw the eyes up to the waistline and lengthen the leg, <i>and</i> the character also is wearing built-in boots (which, by the way, I've never really liked in outfitting due to durability concerns), the legs will look a bit long. Add the bolero jacket, which shortens the upper body, and the legs look longer still. I'm not concerned about the art quality. However, the costume is just too generic. The new top, belt, and gauntlets work perfectly for the character, but as most of us seem to be saying, the jacket and pants need to go. Uh, that is, they need to be replaced. I agree with the idea of using a leather strip-armor skirt, as she has done in the past, and knee-length Greek-style cross-lace sandals.
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The real issue here isn't the costume or the origin story mess around, but that Wonder Woman has never had enough character to hold things together on her lonesome (outside of Kingdom Come). If the character was there the costume wouldn't matter. Superman changed his costume, we didn't care. Batman changed his costume, we didn't care. They were still Superman and Batman. Change Wonder Woman's costume and people say, "Who the fuck is that!?" because there isn't enough there to hold things together without it. Hopefully this improves things.
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Just read the 10 page WW#600 preview. This new costume works well in action - even the jacket. It also looks like the red shirt is more like a strappy singlet, or may be even backless top. It would be nice if the naysayers actually gave it a chance and actually read the comics before condemning it. The story arc also hints at an alternative reality rather than a new origins story. All in all, quite a nice move to change the mood and tempo a bit after the whole Maxwell Lord thing. Even the de-aging thing makes some sense - Diana sounds Ike a strong young woman who hasn't quite figured out who she is and what she stands for yet. To me this is an updated 'what if' story. I like it. Except one small quibble - agree with the above, Bring back Big WW Hair! Nerd Girl
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Hekiteia was great - but part of its awesomeness was Batman. WW does need some better writers and stories.
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And cue Bob Dylan - The Times Are Changin'
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Still looks like shite.
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Coming in 2014: WONDER WOMAN: REBIRTH by Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Scriver
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That was my initial thought
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in the same boat with you. Watch out for baterangs and green arrows!
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I can't stomach the DCU so much that the only starman that crossed my mind at first was the movie. I not trying to start a debate on anything, I love vertigo just not the DCU superheros. C'est la vie
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Wonder Woman doesn't look like the Avatar of Truth or an Amazon warrior here; she looks like she's on her way to a Pearl Jam concert! Her old costume was fine, and is in fact modest compared to some of the DC ladies (Violet Lanterns anyone?) Nothing wrong with her powerful, muscular legs being bare. Why does that bother folks so much? I think Black Canary's fishnets are much more skanky! If anyone can show leg and still command respect, it should be Wondie!
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Im all for the change but they should really go for more of a amazonian warrior thing. We've seen plenty of variations of the original witch not only made it more respectable but more true to her heritage and all it took was giving her a piece of armor here and there and changing the bottom to more of a battle skirt type of thing.
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so, looking at the origin and costume: Superman + DragonBall + Percy Jackson + NGE + Twilight = New Wonder Woman did i get that right?
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"Never been a Wonderwoman fan" then i guess we should be taking your opinion very seriously
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changing her costume was a bad idea the first time, its just as bad the second time.
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exactly. why can't wonder woman be sexy?
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what the fuck
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oh fuck
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Hey, she DOES look like Misato! I just noticed that.
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Also, did you check out (scroll down on SlugLady's link) Linda Carter's essay on Wonder Woman, the archetype? Turns out, she's got a better handle on the character than many of her writers have had. Who knew?
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Thanks SlugLady. Your post seems to make a few things clear, for me anyway. 1. This is not going to be the finished product. They seem to be hinting that Wonder Woman final will be somewhat amalgamated (shudder pending) with this design. 2. Her origin may end up being an amalgamation as well. 3. This is obviously a ploy to update her look and story for a current (movie?) audience. In short: we are seeking to simplify by convoluting. You're welcome!
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so they took a hot iron to the chest while they were still developmental. huh. no doubt they used it as a rite of passage.
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No kidding. It's not a matter of "perspective" either; hands should hang about halfway down the thighs, not end at the crotch.
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"that dude would cross-hatch a cross-hatch." Funniest line ever.
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Or we can just do Batman Beyond.
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So, what does this do to Donna Troy's & Cassie Sandsmark's respective origins?
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It is part of the Amazon mythology. But none of the artwork depicting them displayed them that way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons
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I love the M's on the bracelets... but the one on her right hand is upside down and looks like a W. In all seriousness though, since this whole idea was done as a response to slipping sales, they might as well try for something new. As much as people seem to think this is blasphemy the classic look/story wasn't keeping readers interested.
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k, take it back: the design could work. I just checked out preview pages from the comic, and this sketch does not do it justice: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/tag/wonder-woman-600/ Even the jacket looks a little cool as WW takes down enemies. I'm still incredibly worried about how the actual story and WW's future turns out, but here's hoping for the best!
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...if this is permanent. If this is only going to be a 6-12 issue story with everything restored at the end, Donna will be fine. What I wonder, will the rest of the DCU also reflect this changed timeline while the story is going on? Will Donna disappear from the JLA for the duration? Will Cassie be gone from Teen Titans too?
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Wow, i agree. Some of these would work a lot better!
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I love this comment. It is probably not fair, just taking advantage of the fact that JMS's plot synopsis is vague, but still, who wouldn't want to see Pretty Amazon Wonder Woman?
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Well, i like a few things in the outfit and a change is nice but... not only does she look like a 90s teenager, but... she's now like almost every other female superhero in DC! Black canary, Super girl-- they've all worn almost the exact same outfit and had some kind of "grew up in the street life" origins at one time. I know not everyone likes WW here, but she's at least DIFFERENT. I don't think her origins should be change so extremely. I don't know, loose the jacket, maybe greek-up the outfits, add boots, and it would look more like a modern WW. The new origin could make for a good read, but i hope it's just an Alternate Reality comic, like "Superman and Batman: Absolute Power", and we'll be back to the original WW by the end of the story line.
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To complete the 90's comic look, she really needs a headband rather than a tiara. Also, a 7ft long gun.
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+1 I like all of those WAY more than the Jim Lee redesign. Especially the first one since it's what I would like to see on Her if they have to redesign the Costume. They all the keep elements classic but reinforce Her Amazone heritage and the She's a Warrior.
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Sure, the original costume was a little trashy, but it's become iconic over the years. This one isn't awful, but it's trying way too hard to appease whoever DC figures would object to the old costume. Does Wonder Woman need to lose her sex appeal in order to be taken seriously? Is that what we've been reduced to? Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that on this outfit, WW's magic lasso looks more like a fancy wallet chain?
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A jacket with rolled up sleeves? Really Jim Lee? Really?
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It looks a bit better but still... Meh.
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Hold up! I listen to hip-hop/R & B AS WELL as Journey so don't go making broad generalization of a fan base. I love comics and I like her new look. Her old look is better but that is just me.
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As a WW nerd, I'm against this. Frankly, I think DC relies too much on the gods when they want to shake things up in Wonder Woman-land. Thhhhhbbt. The costume is terrible. Maybe the new Diana grew up with Dinah and they had the same tailor. Dunno. Randomly pick one of the Project Rooftop redesigns for a better costume. http://www.tencentticker.com/projectrooftop/2007/11/26/wonder-woman-wardrobe-war-winners/
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Ditto that. The Hiketia
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As a "nerd girl," for me, this is a step in the right direction. I'd agree with losing the jacket and giving her some boots, but this is loads better than her running around in a swimsuit. Seriously, when they even make a joke about the police thinking Steve Trevor's pimping her out in the animated WW movie, you know her outfit's ridiculous. I'm digging the corset a lot. and even the belt. Also interesting that the leggings seem to have some sort of padding built in, at least around the knee. Not sure why WW would need padding, but hey. Though I'd agree with the person above who said fix her hair. I like the big Wondie hair too.
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J & J transferred Diana's consciousness to a "new body." She is an Asssian rrraaddyy! hirrrooooww! Psrrryoccckeee...
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I can understand covering it up and taking out the star spangled panties... but that just seems excessive. Hell, the last Lee redesign I couldn't stand was Huntress and he showed much more skin in her new costume. Now he's covered up too much. I'm for covering her up a little... but jacket and pants? I miss the boots. Is it just me or is the red too deep or detailed or something? Maybe the red and cold balance. The jacket reminds me of Black Canary or WW's awful 90s costume with the black bra. I will say the bracelet redesign is neat. Plus they're redoing her origin? Really? Retconning the destruction of Paradise Island into her childhood? Ugh. Yay. They're again messing her origin to 'fix' the character. Why does DC act like their top super heroine is broken? Why can't they get an origin and just move forward? They keep moving back to redo things. I've lost track of the times they've redone her origins in recent years alone. Ugh. This isn't new. It's more of the same!
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There's another view here: http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/wonder-woman-don-kramer.JPG No boots or skirt. The whole thing (origin and costume) sucks.
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Yeah, this basically. I should've been more specific. "Pants"=anything that isn't hot pants or that godawful thong. Even Lara Croft-style shorts would be ok. Just...something that looks like you could actually kick ass in it without exposing your ass to the world. Speaking of Eve Torres, I think she could play WW, actually.
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We were buzzing on 4chan about it last night. It's a step in the wrong direction. Diana is rarely well-handled by DC. Honestly, her mythos is the only thing that keeps remotely interesting at times. And now they want to remove that, remove her iconic costume, and create a new costume that belongs to a teen hero of the 90s. Nay I say. Nay.
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I don't see the miniskirt that above posters are talking about (you can see the seam of her...legging pants...go all the way up her thigh). Look around the area where her knees should be and you'll see the top of the boots, however. I honestly think that getting rid of the leggings and jacket and adding a pencil skirt with a slit (for easy movement) would make this outfit 10x better. I also think her new back story sounds like 8 Mile meets the Terminator (being on the run from mysterious super strong baddies, trying to find/save survivors and fix the timeline so none of this ever happened...yeah). With WW I think you either need to go totally batshit crazy (in a good way, like a Coen Bros movie) or accept the campyness of her to make a good story. I really hope they never call her belt/gauntlets/other gold accessories bling.
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That looks like the suckiest pile of suck that ever sucked suck. What I'm trying to say is,IT SUCKS!!!!! Heres hoping she winds up on the scrapeheap of comics history,right next to Electric Red and Blue Superman and Poocie-Bats...err,I mean Az-Bats. TO THE EXTREME!!!!
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As a guy who isn't a fan of comics, this outfit actually makes me want to read WW. I've long thought that the problem with the western comic industry, DC in particular, is that all the women look like they were created from thirteen-year-old boys' fantasies, like their skankiness was their primary attribute. Unfortunately, I think the industry has a long ways to go before a heroine design with this much clothing will stick for long.
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Err, *Marvel,* not DC, durrr.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid move. That costume is retarded and so is anyone that likes it.
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Wonder Woman: Hiketeia?
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Besides she's an AMAZON!! Aren't they famous for being kick ass warriors and lesbians? except when they use men for breeding.
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This will be around for a year...maybe two. Then the classic look will return when Gail Simone decides that DC has fucked up the character.
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If I had seen this picture without knowing she is Wonder Woman I never would have guessed who she was. She looks like some fourth string X-Men character. The whole thing just screams gimmick. I would bet money that her new "urban" setting results in Wonder Woman rapping. Now all she needs to get a addicted to crack.
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Um, look *closely*, she's wearing boots. And black, opaque tights and, I'm guessing, a black mini skirt (unless they've re-drawn her with a disturbingly low crotch). It IS a very 90s looking re-design, but at least they didn't make her a hipster!
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Not iconic enough to remain Wonder Woman's outfit for long. They've tried changing her look before, and they didn't last.Look at other DC icons, radical costume changes usually didn't stick.
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No way. I´m reading all the comments and thinking: How come nobody has mentioned is really Jim Lee´s fault still? I don´t think he believes he´s working for Image again, I think he´s a hell of a artist sometimes but... dammit, his drawings are still the same he did back then.
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Of all that you mentioned, I enjoy a Starman - John Carpenter and James Robinson versions - and a George Clooney. The rest can go to hell. Especially Orion.
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Theory: This is for the Wonder Woman movie. A WB exec was on record fall 08 saying that, after the success of Dark Knight, they want to go a similar route with future DC superhero movies (dark, realistic, street-level, etc.). And this new Wonder Woman seems Nolanicious. More realistic looking, bye-bye to fantastic aspects (goddess/amazon, flying plane, ancient greek, made of clay, etc.), and one even is left to wonder if the bracelets and lasso are even still magical or just there for show. Essentially, it's a preemptive move so that there's less fanboy backlash over "GAH! Movies are changing the DC Universe!"
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Unless they were armor plated, why pants? Eve Torres, who is in the WWE, has an outfit that similar to Wonder Woman's original outfit (except it has a bare mid-section) and she does acrobatics in the ring that doesn't expose her. It helps that she has shoulder straps and wears shorts that don't ride up her rear. I think they should have taken the old outfit and simply made it more practical.
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We talking 90's art? or fashion? Because, the 80's were worse, and the mullet was carried over from the 80's. 90's gave us some baggier clothes and shorts that came past your pubes. Your balls not hanging out of your shorts is in awesome development, and we have the 90's to thank for this.
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Meh. That's how I feel: meh. I agree that her old outfit was hokey abd she DEFINITELY needs some pants, but I did like her breastplate, and this is just...boring.
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D.C is accused of being racist, might as well go for sexism as well!
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I don't read Invincible, but I really mean a Xena-meets-Wonder-Woman-look.
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First, I don't like the fact that they got rid of the eagle shapped WW breast plate. I thought that was the best thing about WW's costume. Plus, it seemed practical for an Amazon to have. I do like the new bracelets and the fact she has halter straps on her corset. I don't mind the belt. But, the overall look does seem very 90's to me. And, no offense to anyone, but this outfit seems sluttier then the star spangled bathing suit. As for the origin, there wasn't anything wrong with the one she was given by George Perez. The WW animated movie was one of DC's best direct to DVD movies, it had an update of her original origin. If this is some convoluted attempt to bring back Steve Trevor as a love interest in current continuity, they could have simply had the current Steve Trevor have a grandson or nephew that was named after him.
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The previous reeboots didn't stick (Artemis, who?), I don't see any reason this one should be different. I can almost see it: A couple of years from now, we'll find out that a pink bug sent by the goddess Aphrodite (the new queen of the Zamarons)posessed Diana and erased her memories, before she subconsciously de-aged herself so Bruce would notice her. And then we'll cry, because we'll realize we've been paying 4 dollars for a really bad soap opera.
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A Goddess is more than just the clothes she wears.
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Ah, Misato, that's who I was thinking of.
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I like it. The 90's look is fine, although SHE looks like a totally different character. I guess if it's a reboot, that's fine. I'm not sure why Jim Lee has so much clout in the industry...more than many other artists, anyway. I'll take Frank Cho or Amanda Conner over Jim Lee eight days a week.
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What makes characters like Wonder Woman and Thor unlikeable to a lot of folks is that they both have their origins based in some ancient special society of mythological gods that normal folk don't relate to. But when you remove the "ancient outsider" factor, to water down the concept of mythological characters in a modern world and make them more "normal", you've got nothing special to hang your hat on.
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i have no trouble with the new look for after all supes and bats get a new look every so often why not wonder woman. for think the new outfit makes her more updated. besides one should give jm a chance before going after him for changing wonder woman .
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The costume's fine. It's this new timeline nonsense that's the groan-inducer.
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Oh that's nice, they basically decided to redo her origin and give us the Sailor Moon story all over again. To whit: Beautiful Paradise Island (Moon Kingdom) gets ransacked by invading evil army (Dark Kingdom?) and princess Diana (Usagi) is whisked away to suburban (urban) USA (Japan) to grow up hidden from the danger. Now grown, Diana (Usagi) must use her growing powers to retake her Island (Moon) and defeat the evil army (sexy bitch queen). Wow, thanks DC. I would have appreciated a WW outfit patterned after a Sailor fuku though, that would have been hot. And note, it even says other Amazons (Senshi) escaped too! We could have a whole sentai team of Amazons here. All that's missing is some stock footage of the flashy, nekkid transformation sequence every issue and it would be sure to sell. I'm calling it now: Pretty Amazon Wonder Woman should have been this book's new title.
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So, you're saying she should look like War Woman from Invincible, maybe with some of that star-spangled flair that makes her an icon? I couldn't agree more.
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So we can only generate interest in female characters by objectifying them, and changing their traits so they play to the desires of heterosexual men? How forward-thinking of you.
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So many spiteful tears in these comments. I hate WW's old outfit. It's terrible. This is better, and therefore a step in the right direction. Ditto on the background. That's straight-up good news to me.
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Nerdgirl checking in. I must admit, I'm more of a DC girl so I've never read much with WW. I always thought her costume was a little silly, but I could appreciate the vintage and over-the-top qualities as something inherent to her character. Personally, I love this new costume. Could it be improved? Probably. I like the idea of real boots. But I think the whole outfit is modern and functional, and I actually like the jacket. It looks tough but still stylish.
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What about Stargate? Starship Troopers? Battlestar Galactica? Starman? Starblazers? Etc., etc., etc. Don't be prejudiced against all stars, man. Surely you gotta like George Clooney? And who doesn't appreciate the constellation Orion? Seriously, get your head outta your starfish hole.
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