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I Thought he never said he was a US citizen. As Clark Kent, yes he is. But as Superman he is not a citizen of any nation.
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"Lies, Corruption, and Outsourced Corporate Sponsors."
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He was also a drunk. Tony's flaws were always a major part of his character.
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It's a very "American Thought" to have a character that was created in America, by an America as pretty much the poster child FOR America (seriously, have you ever READ some of Siegel & Shoester Superman comics from back in the day? It's QUITE clear what his creator's intentions where. Saying he's an American icon isn't like saying Jesus was blonde. It's not some flag-waving revision done to drum up patriotism. It's an acknowledgment of what he was, quite literally and clearly, MEANT to be!
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I like Supes all the more for it.
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You'd be stealing Superman's personal information! And that's terrible.
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I'm going with the people that call this straight up crappy writing and just a money grab for issue #900. I also agree pretty heavily with this guy: JesseMXGangl. I would be a foreign folk if not for my family's decision to move to America and recognize myself as an American just as Superman would having lived here for his whole life. Just like with Civil War and any other politically motivated writing, these comic book writers should stick to comic book stories unless they happen to be fantastic writers like Moore, or Morrison, who can properly nuance this kind of thing. I think for most of Superman's comics and even JLA stuff, they tend to stay out of the political stuff and help with disaster prevention, relief, and aid. So what if he shows support for a peaceful protest? So what if he stops the other government from shooting them all to bits? How does that say that it's an American action? You know what, forget it. Reiterating. Crappy writing, and JessMXGangl said it better than I could. The End.
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Joe Shuster was born in TORONTO anyway. So suck it.
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It's about Damn time! Fuck the US!!!
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Fine, you go save the world, and not get paid for it...
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About time!
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It's about time, Superman was clearly Canadian to begin with
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When did he become an American citizen? Maybe he couldn't produce an authentic long form birth certificate for the Justice League and they gave him an ultimatum.
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I couldn't care less about Superman not being a U.S. citizin anymore. If anything I think it's about damn time, because he's a superhero for the entire world, not just America. Go Supes!
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Since when is Superman an U.S. citizen? He's kryptonian. Clark Kent IS a U.S. citizen. -airfox
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Up next: Superman begins a hunger strike to protest North Korean gulags and to show Kim Jong Il who's boss. Good Lord, this is an embarrassment. He looks like a big dupe. What happens when he leaves and all the people he was non-violently protesting with get thrown in a prison cell for decades (or worse)? Hey Supes, do you remember when Iran headed up the UN's Human Rights Commission? Glad you have so much faith in an organization composed of mostly non-democratic thug outposts.
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Fuck, I think you're right but I hope you're not. But then why the fuck did he wait for W to leave office? DC is sending some pretty jacked mixed messages.
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We sure as hell better, is all I'm saying.
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Has Supes ever really BEEN an instrument of American policy? Did he hunt terrorists or kill Iraqi kids or, I dunno, fly guns and bombs to Hosni Mubarak? I'm really not certain where his problem is coming from. He seems to be a far less political hero than Captain America, (who isnt really that overtly political anyhow since most of the problems he tackles are fantasy ones, except for the awesome time he beat the fuck out of that guy running a sweatshop with a Hostess fruit pie.)
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I demand to see his birth certificate.
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this is dumb as hell. why has superman sucked so hard lately?????!! JMS started it with grounded, now this shit??! ugh. give the book to morrison for christ's sake.
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I went through a binge on Superdickery, and counted no less than five covers where Superman denied water to people dying of dehydration. FIVE.
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Maybe he won't be an annoying boyscout now :D
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He was abandoned here, found by the Kent's who took him to an orphanage then later decided to adopt him. This means his adoption went through all the legal channels and is a legal citizen (well Clark Kent is). The comics keeps switching things around, but this is how things originally happened so it's what I'm sticking to.
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I like Supes and all but I really could give a frak about this storyline...
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Superman came illegally into the United States of America, he was born on another planet. He was not born in US soil, nor is he's parents American. He was illegaly adopted and registered as their child. To my understanding that fostering and illegal alien. *pun not intended* WTF is everybody bitching about?
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superman is dead to me
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Do we get to see him in that Superman-Pope hat again?
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My own "foreign type" reaction: this is nothing new. A lot of worldwide translations have always subtly downplayed Superman's status as an American Icon. He's more of a Pop Culture Icon... which just happens to come from America, like Mickey Mouse or Darth Vader. It's not like he wears the flag like Captain America does. Some translations of "Truth, Justice and the American Way" let go of the "American" part and it goes back to the first Chris Reeve movie. There was a time in Italy when Superman was known as "Nembo Kid" and his S-Shield was blanked out (google-image it). So all that talk about it being a commercial feat to make Superman more popular overseas is totally besides the point. We've always tailored Superman so that he would feel more international than über-americain. This doesn't change anything. I just pity the poor translators who will have to deal with Action Comics #900, and try to make it sound like a real issue.
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I think it's a nice idea. Superman should be everyones hero, not just for ther americans but as an ideal for everyone to strive for. I like it way more than....Batman Inc.... Btw: Country Germany^^
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In two months this will turn out to be a Superman robot. Or clone. The real Superman will return from space in a new red, white and blue costume to kill it. Then Superman will go back to wearing his old costume and all will be forgotten.
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Ok, he's not saying he wants to be global. He's saying he doesn't want to be American. You don't have to renounce you citizenship to help people in other countries. Superman probably doesn't have a real citizenship because he's just a persona, so this seems more like a jester to show he doesn't want to be associated with America which kind of stinks. You can argue that you don't see him as being American cause you are from another Country, but for those of us that live in America this is kind of disappointing. I mean if an American soldier goes in front of everyone and says he doesn't want to be an American, people in other countries probably won't care. yes the ideals superman stands for are ones that can spread all over the world, but what's so wrong about an American having those ideals? Nelson Mandela has some high ideals that could be spread all over, but I think some people would get pretty upset if he renounced Africa saying he didn't want those good ideals to be associated with Africa.
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I'm not gonna lie, I don't even think of Superman as an American citizen. I mean, I guess I know that he grew up in the U.S and that Metropolis is in the U.S but it just doesn't register with me. To me he's just a super hero, not "the American hero". Granted, I barely think of Captain America as the American Hero, though again, I guess I know he is. Thats probably what I get for being Canadian. Either way, this makes perfect sense to me.
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One thing in that post stands out to me. The fact you correctly used the phrase "couldn't care less". Thank you.
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Didn't Ellis sort of handle this years ago? I mean that was a central idea behind The Authority? Namely that god-like super-beings can get to a point where they're no longer constrained by international law as they are by their own morality?
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its because america let Trump run for President, if he wins Im with Superman
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Well, as a foreigner, I must say: it was about goddamn time.
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As I understand it, most Italians care 10x as much for Scrooge McDuck and Lupin III than for Superman. That. Is. AWESOME. And for the record, we here in the UK don't give a flying fuck for Green Lantern either.
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You're written English is better than most of the people I know. And I'M english. And a thought provoking point too!
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To be fair, Batman Inc. is pretty good. Things have come to a pretty pass though when LEX LUTHOR'S storyline is more engrossing and fun than Superman's.
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Cool, I can get onboard with that.
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I think what's best about this is the hilarious fallout going on over at Comics Alliance. Some people are losing their minds over this, as if this were a personal attack on their precious American values. Eesh.
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I would steal his personal information. I bet he has awesome credit with a huge limit. My first purchase would be forty pies for Lex Luthor. That's like four tens or something.
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this sums up how i feel about superman renouncing his citizenship perfectly. +1
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Also as an Englishman I would surmise that Superman should really be beneficial to the world's good causes not simply the land he dropped down in from space. Take the Dark Knight Returns for instance, Superman literally is a US Military Instrument dancing for Ronald Reagan. Most unseemly for the gent. Most unseemly.
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So, you would rather Superman create a Superman army?
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Speaking of Iron Man, in the first Movie he defended Monsatos misanthropic Gen Food Politics. Iron Man was always a republican Posterboy that made Nixon look decent.
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Well as a foreigner, I can say, that....meh! Is not thatn in the rest of the world we associate istantly Superman to USA. Odd I know, but he is not like Uncle Sam or Captain America(they are essentially USA incarnated), Super is more what humankind thrive to be. While Batman is what humankind can reasonably be Needless to say otuside USA Batman(and for Marvel SpiderMan) is mor epopular than Superman, who except for a brief period never got his way too deep inside heart of fans. Oddly enough Cap and Uncle Sam are instead quite popular!!(albeit not nearly as Batman and Spiderman). On side note NO ONE GIVE A F**** about Green Lantern as character, here in Italy.
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Wait i don't get it... Even if Superman had a birth certificate and a SSN and a US passport... wouldn't they all say "Clark Kent"? Isn't "Clark Kent" his government name? I'm sure Clark isn't going to renounce his citizenship, that wouldn't make any sense.
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Apparently, this is some sort of elsewhere story or something? If that's the case, then I'd be interested in reading it. It plays off an interesting idea and doesn't mess with the main story lines or character. If its not an elsewhere story, then I apologize. Its late, I'm tired and not in the mood to do all the research I should. Either way, we should still nuke Canada. Nothing against Canada. I could see myself working/living there. But with the cost of gas these days, nuking something closer makes sense.
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I would really love to meet the politician that tries to deport Superman. That would be about as successful as Walter Mondale's promise to raise taxes once he becomes president.
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I think it's always been that way in comics. Pick up the omnibus of the early Iron Man comics and all you see is incredibly blatant anti-communist propaganda (along with Stan Lee's patented great character with shitty dialogue narrating everything he does style)
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This is just silly. Probably a grab at sales over controversy. Or the writers are just trying to score political points for some stupid reason. Either way Superman is a figure deeply related to America and its ideals. When he separates himself from America he diverges himself from his identity. This could be cool if they do something like nations getting worried about super heroes losing respect for nations as sovereign powers or the formation of government sponsored hero groups. Just saying.
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is anyone really bothered by this? he's superman. He doesn't reserve that to the united states landmass or even planet earth. its not different than the justice league of america being changed to the justice league. you can tell stories about near god level powered heroes and only have them stick to one country, it doesnt work for the characters.
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I'm pretty sure Rob gets thousands of emails every day from nerds like you and me. He never took notice of the link I sent him of the guy from France that played the Benny Hill theme on electric guitar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFpgDUybPg How in the hell that vid doesn't have 1 million hits already is beyond my understanding.
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can't see that it makes all that much of a difference - I mean Clark Kent is still a U.S. national right ? and it's not like the comics will start telling stories based around his citizenship issues...
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I´m Mexican (so, i´m not american, and i´m writing in a idiom thats not my own, so, i apologize for de misspelling and the bad sintaxis and all that). I think that superman represent somthing biggers that mere patriotizim. I now that Superman is like the Most Iconic character America have, but, "Thrunt, Justice and the American Way" are bigger than the borders of USA... even the par of "american way"... What i want to say is, you (american poeple) see this as a proobe that somo of your ideals have become global idials... Thrut and Justice are easy... but even "the american way" is now something global... at leat the way i understand it Freedom and a nice way of life for the good peaple... thats something EVERY human can realate to... and Superman being the Avatar of that idial, can be Global, not just american.
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. . . but where did the mattress come from?
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My dad was reading stuff off of twitter, and he said this and I thought he was reading Onion headlines. It's THAT weird. Wasn't he going on a cross country walk to "find himself" before this? Sounds like DC's floundering for something to do with him.
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All I can think about this is that it's just another example of an American comic book writer shoving their political opinions into the story for no reason. Seriously, it seems like comics turn into the author's sermon way more than other media.
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The comments here are strangely less insane than what's popping up on comicsallance comments. I'm talking about "boycott Superman," "Superman will stone women in Sharia Law countries," "Superman will soon turn into a transvestite," etc. kinds of crazy. Personally, I find it interesting short story that probably should of happened sooner depending on whether or not Supes already had automatic citizenship in all nations anyway but that still doesn't work when not all countries will automatically agree to that depending on the government and its place in international coalitions. Anyway, I'll probably stop caring in a day or so.
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Well THAT explains a lot! XD
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Really? A lot of people said my accent and sarcasm could've pegged me as somebody from Jersey or New York. XD
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WALL OF TEXT OMG!!
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not for someone whose motto was "Truth, Justice and the American Way". i mean, damn, this is just about equal to Wong Fei Hung saying "I hate you, China!" and move to Paris to sell chow-mein noodles. ...and I realized half of you are probably wondering "Who the FUCK is Wong Fei Hung". To which I provide the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Fei-hung Long-story short: he IS the Chinese equivalent of Batman. XD
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Understand, we nerds don't just believe something, we go WHOLE HOG. So instead of "America is overall a decent place to live, but definitely has problems," we tend to go, "America is super-perfect" or "America is the WORST PLACE IN THE WORLD IN ALL OF HISTORY!"
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I don't know. People move. Deal with it! ;)
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Ugh, that makes it sound like US bashing and I seriously don't want to read that crap. I know if I were from another nation and heard someone famous announce US Citizenship, or Citizenship of any country it sure sounds to me like he hates that country. He should just GTFO I guess. I don't know how many nerds are into the whole "I hate my country thing". If a lot of them are then this will fly, if most nerds love the US then this is going to cause issues.
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On the bright side, now Superman can hang out with Miley Cyrus, whose world tour won't include the U.S. because she doesn't feel appreciated there. Always knew they'd end up together one of these days.
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hey, I know superman's back story keeps changing and the continuity is nothing like it was in the golden age, but in the original comics superman was found by the Kents, then taken to an orphanage. Afterward they decided they should adopt him ad came back to the orphanage and adopted him, this means his adoption was perfectly legal and he is indeed an American, but now everything is so messed up with superman. Now if he makes a big show about not being an American won't that kind of alienate him from the people he protects in America? I mean isn't being an alien enough, does he really have to become and illegal alien? Honestly I really don't see why he needs citizenship though, the whole point of Clark is to given him a normal life. I mean does a firefighter need a separate ID for when he puts his suit on and saves people? Clark pays the taxes, works a job, has a wife and friends, and simply enjoys being human. Superman fights bad guys, gives kids a hero to look up to and saves the world. I'm tired of writers trying to make superman "realistic" and "relateable", I want and unrealistic superman who is a great guy beyond corruptibility who gives us something to look up to. No no one can be perfect, but that's why he's Clark, Clark is the scared, shy imperfect side that lies in all of us, he's the relatable part. I'll be the first one to admit America isn't hwat it used to be and the American way has gotten a bad name, but that's the thing about superman, when he says American way it's not the way of today but the American way that once was, if he stays true to that way America doesn't give him a bad name, he gives America a good one. People can say well if superman can come out of America then it can't be all that bad. You know what, for years now I've had an idea of a fan comic universe to restore superheros to their former glory and toss all this "multiverse" nonsense in the trash where it belongs. Superman has gone through so many changes I don't think he even knows who he is any more. I think it's time that as fans we claim superman is a casualty the body snatchers and the guy with the big red s on his chest in the DC comics is some foreign entity trying to take his place. If you are a true superman fan you'll be able to tell this isn't superman, so please stand with me and tell DC I"M MAD AS HECK AND I"M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE. If anyone is interested in reclaiming superman let me know.
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Then I guess our truth, justice, and American dollars aren't good enough for DC anymore. We can just stop buying his comics. Let's see how long it takes DC to cave from that one.
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My God! YOU'RE foreign, Rick? I was sure you were from Des Moines! ^_~
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I can just imagine a few men in black suits approaching Clark Kent and take him into custody for being an illegal alien, but since the government does not even go after the ones that are just from another country it won't happen :P
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Actually, it'd be more like Batman putting the Kyptonite in Supes' close proximity BEFORE announcing it. This is a guy who had plans to take out all his teammates JIC, after all... ...cause he's the Goddamned Batman, is why.
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How much you guys wanna bet that Superman is going to walk across the world next time, promoting peace and rainbows and unicorns, and making friends with North Korea, the Taliban and African "Lord of War" (hey, I like that movie, ok?) next? With a tie-in contest to boot?
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Yeah...wonder what kind of radiation makes it greener... You know, we used to have serious principles. I guess Superman lost faith in a country willing to elect Lex Luthor president. I'm just sayin'...
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AAAAAUGH!! IT BUUUURNS USSS!!! IT BUUUUURNS UUUUUUSSSSSSSS!!!
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Foreign person, reporting for duty! -salute- Lessee here...ok. Ahem! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!! THIS is what passes as big, fat, scary, game-turning event in DC these days? Really? REALLY?! No more deep and memorable epics? No more meaningful storylines? No more superheroes performing feats of superheroics that would be remembered for generations down the line? Just a rehash of the same old same old and stupid decisions and shock-value garbage and, oh yeah, Superman serving as a political mouth-piece and Batman starting his own Bat Inc.? Really DC? REALLY?! It's like "Detective Comics" is still reeling from that Retcon Punch Superboy Prime delivered ages ago and puking up excrements all over the place. I know that the mainstream comic book industry hasn't been all that interesting these days, but come ON! That doesn't mean you're allowed to drop the ball altogether!
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As a Canadian I feel mixed about this. I love America, but not as it is right now. The anger and the paranoia is nothing short of heartbreaking. If this renouncing is a reflection of that, then good for the writers. But I feel like Superman has always been a reflection of the United States, we associate him with the best of America, shouldn't he be shown and written as an example for the country? I feel like this is Superman giving up, which is something he should never do.
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Technically, he wasn't born on American soil (or on Earth), and his parents certainly weren't American citizens. So he's actually an illegal alien. He can't renounce his nonexistent citizenship.
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Uhhhhh ummmmm didn't they do this with Captain America? This is just sad. Is this JMS? One More Day? Anyone?
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look what i found... http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/04/28/superman-renounces-citizenship-00th-issue/?test=faces
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The strange thing is, back when Superman was made Truth and Justice used to be the American way. Can't really blame Superman for wanting to do it now seeing as the American way hasn't been about Truth and Justice for a long time now. But he ain't going to find it among the U.N. either. In fact if Superman were to actually live up to his Truth and Justice thing, every leader in the world would want him dead as none of them are truthful or just. So all this seems like a wasted story plot.
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Funny you mention that. In a different book this week, Batman and Booster Gold decided to restart Justice League International.
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And DC did it 50 years before, when Superman was given official citizenship in all UN member nations at the time as well as full legal police powers and the right to travel across international borders without a passport. Superman #141 if you care to know.
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Superman IS a liberal, dumbass.
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I was never a Superman fan either. All this american way stuff just made my brain ache.. And then this comes along and my first thought ,"shit storm alert". Like superman, oneday th us will have to learn that it is part of something bigger than itself, and play by the rules of the bigger sandbox. now if you want a awesome comicbook hero, no superpowers just a skilled guy... yhe phantom is the way to go.
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To everyone who has asked why anyone cares, or how this could possibly be important, or why we're discussing the political affiliations of a fictional character: WE ARE NERDS--THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
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SNARK, FANFIC, AND THE TOPLESS ROBOT WAY!!!!!
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The Breakup, inspired by EthanKaye and other things.... Superman (VO): It's not enough.... Cut To - scene of Superman and navi!USA (depicted by a blue Statue of Liberty) - Superman palms USA's teats. navi!USA (passionately): Feed - feed off of me.... Ravage ... me .... Superman (licking the milk): I... I need to leave.... navi!USA (grasping between Superman's legs, dragging and falling back onto the mattress - Superman above, navi!USA below): But you love me. And I love you. (biting lip) You are in me ... (pressing nipple to his lips) I am in you! Superman (VO): It's not enough.... truth, justice, the American Way.... (flipping navi!USA's crown off) You don't understand, You're just a statue, there's a whole wide world beyond your harbor... that needs me.... Prince Zuko (floating through the bedroom in a tea!trance) Friday, the day of the devil, the day of the devil, fanfic! PRON! HE - who controls the pr0n - controls the universe! I must not think of tentacles, tentacles are the penis!killer, I must think of breasts, breasts, warm round supple breasts bouncing in my hand - are those a pair of saiyajin balls bouncing in front of my face or are those but the gential odors of the mind.... Father, my cock awaits the fruits of Katara but my inner gay yearns for SOKKA! navi!USA (VO, orgasm'ing, as Superman flies out of a window) Kal-El! I *will* always love you! Superman (VO - looking down on the earth, tasting the taste of blue navi milk): Bigs was right, I'm never getting out of this place...
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He's also JewishXD
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Nice!
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Ah! Occam's Razor at last! Good callXD
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But does he suck? You were a tad vague on that point. :P
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So Superman would rather be a citizen of the world as represented by the UN - you know the group that had Libya chairing the Human Rights group? So, I can only guess that DC's next stand is to have Superman declare Israel racist, say that human slavery is Islamic countries is acceptable because it is not REAL slavery and support genocides by starvation for dictators. I am inches from boycotting DC. And I have collected comics, mostly DC, for over 20 years.
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See....this is why I gave up reading comics 20 years ago. Because too much of this crap would make the urge to attend comic conventions just so I can slap some sense into the mooks who are cranking out this dreck would be more than I could resist. "Hi, my name is Hack Reiter, and I write comic books. I make a living writing stories about people who wear their undershorts outside their tights and I get paid more than most schoolteachers, paramedics, and police officers. And I can do it because I live in a society that values creativity and has made the products of imagination into a marketable commodity and has a standard of living high enough that even children have enough disposable income to make my profession possible. But y'know what? America REALLY BLOWS! Everybody else hates us, and we should apologize for that. So I'm going to make a STATEMENT to express my disgust for this capitalist pig empire that has made it possible for a person of my severely limited employability and negligible social skills to live in Manhattan without having to first salvage the box from someone's new refrigerator, and turn one of America's greatest cultural icons into a bleeding-heart globalist who shares my political views because they are obviously the correct ones." I wonder if DC REALLY understands the subtext of all this "citizen of the world" stuff. So...Superman saves the entire world, even the parts of it that hate Americans, on a regular basis, but they STILL hate him, JUST BECAUSE HE IS AN AMERICAN? And the only way he can win their approval is to come around to their way of thinking? Who is really being the bigot, here, DC?
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Imagine how much fun Stephen Colbert is gonna have with this news! I can't wait! XD
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Honestly, how many stories has Superman lost his ... a.) powers; b). Clark Kent identity; c.)Superman identity. Is this just another 'take something away to show us what Superman really is' kindof story. I think they should take away his costume, and make him SuperNakedman. That would get tons of press. Other than that, this is mostly a thinly veiled familiar road. Stop over reacting Fox News.
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He's just mad because Superman isn't mentioned once in the lyrics to "America, Fuck Yeah!"
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I don't comprehend this oft-repeated here notion that Superman as an American doesn't make sense. He spent the entirety of his formative years on a farm in small-town America living the an unremarkable rural middle class lifestyle. To say that he is just as much Indonesian, Liberian, or Portuguese as he is American is nonsensical in the extreme. Not to mention the fact that it's long been established that Superman is the inverse of Batman in that Superman is just a name people call him. To the man himself, he's always and simply Clark Kent from Smallville. He honors his home planet and the nobility of his birth parents, but he is, at heart, the product of American values inculcated in an American small town by American friends and adoptive family. The international element to Superman has always been to represent the good will and charity of the American people regardless of, and distinct from, the elected officials in power. Superman served as a metaphorical extension of the American peoples' vast voluntary capacity for charity and compassion towards those who, for one reason or another, have fallen on hard times or who are not as fortunate as we (Americans) are. This should be, and has been, decisively divorced from any actions perpetrated by the American government itself. Hell, the whole point of books like Red Son or True Brit for that matter was to show that Superman would be a far different person if his ship had landed somewhere else on Earth. These are meant to contrast with the distinct and iconic Superman who is the way he is, all other things being equal, precisely because he landed in America. To encapsulate this misreading and self-deception about Superman "American-ness," I offer the following example. I'm personally a huge Tolkien fan and have studied him and his work at the bachelor and master's level. So much of what he wrote resounds with me profoundly and deeply, but you know what? I fully realize and accept that nothing in Middle Earth is about America or Americans. It's about England and the Anglo-Saxon Germanic peoples that settled in the British Isles and from whom Tolkien traced his lineage. Just because Tolkien's works appeal to me and have a universal, even international quality does NOT mean I would ever selfishly trivialize those works by, say, claiming that they're not intrinsically English or that they belong equally to me as an American. I would also especially take offense at Aragorn showing up at the UN to undermine Gondorian sovereignty because the way of the Dunedain and the wisdom of the elves are just "not enough anymore." This is a petty attempt at being topical and globalist at the expense the contemporary world's favorite star-spangled punching bag, and I really wish people (my fellow Americans in particular) could see this as the insulting tripe that it is. Between this and the revisionism of the G.I. Joe movie, I just don't understand why people have such a problem if Americans are anything but ashamed of their nationality.
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