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Longer version (with some spoilers): I'm sure I sound as guilty of hyperbole as I did when mocking the Spidey musical song below, but I'm really not. The people making this show took a goofy '80s toy cartoon concept -- and let's admit that it was even more razor thin than G.I. Joe or He-Man -- and fleshed it out wonderfully. They created a whole world out of Thundera, one with history and richness and conflicts. They transformed action figures into real characters, with personalities and motivations and individuality. They scrapped the one bare-bones idea, morality-laden per episode "plots" of the '80s and are crafting one tale, both personal and epic, that will last through the season. Basically, the whole series has the depth, the richness that we as kids always felt these classic cartoons had, but in reality never did.
I'm not kidding: the series effectively starts when Grune betrays the ThunderCats and lets Mumm-Ra and his lizard armies invade the castle -- an invasion that kills many, many cat people. The show's weird mix of magic and technology? Well, in the new show technology is a myth... until the lizards invade with giant robots, and this esoteric former characteristic becomes part of the setting and story, and a cool one.
As for the characters: Lion-O watches King Clowdus get murdered before his eyes. Tygra is Lion-O's older brother, cocky and bitter that he can't be king (he's not a lion). Cheetara is one of Lord Jaga's clerics (which means yes, Lord Jaga has clerics in the new ThunderCats, and there are supremely badass). Oh, and the reason Panthro hasn't been seen in most of the promos? He's dead, killed in battle (supposedly; probably not, but that's why he's been gone). And Snarf doesn't talk. At all. Meaning the new ThunderCats has taken the old cartoon's most irritating character and most awful factor and turned it into something cute and innocuous. THIS IS HOW YOU REMAKE A SERIES, PEOPLE. YOU MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
Oh, and it looks terrific. It's the best animated cartoon in America, better than even Young Justice. Getting an anime company to do an American adaptation well is supremely hard -- please look at all the Marvel anime for example -- but for whatever reason, ThunderCats is getting the star treatment. That means for the first time, ThunderCats looks as good as it did in its original intro -- because as you remember, the opening credits were amazing, and then the rest of the cartoon looked like garbage.
And then there's the great voice acting -- hearing original Lion-O Larry Kenny as King Clowdus was amazing -- and excellent music and seriously, everything is great. And while the show should be an older ThunderCats nerd's dream come true, it should work for a new audiences of kids, because its a good story with interesting characters that's well done on all levels. Seriously, watch it -- if you missed it, check your On Demand, or beg Cartoon Network to replay it. Not just because it's that good, although it is. But because every nerd needs to know how good these relaunches and reboots and revivals of our favorite series can be when done so amazingly right.
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Unlike the cartoons mentions from some of these people, TC is on Avatar's level in every way, except even more American so it's better. Brave and the Bold is not better than 90s Batman, or the Justice League Cartoon from that era. Spongebob is funny...and classic, but different genre. Venture Bros is hilarious...but different genre as well. This has the feel of the big screen in each episode so far. Young Justice is the shit, gotta be same creators as JL and 90s BATMAN. But none of that matters cuz Thundercats is also the shit. I do like more violence like Samurai Jack and the ORIGINAL Clone Wars cartoon. Non-stop, little to no dialogue, but a lot of story set up by quick encounters. Now all Cartoon Network has gotta do is bring Samurai Jack back.
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This was amazing. Especially considering how awful the original <i>Thundercats</i> was, or really, any non-comedic U.S. T.V. cartoon before the 1990's <i>Batman</i> series. They were all terrible, and this was just fantastic.
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The series is great. But i felt it was lacking on the action (kinda boring action sequences) ...if they level up the action sequences, then this will be at par with Last Airbender
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Thank you! I thought I was the only person that didn't think this was the most amazing show ever, I was a little bored watching it. I watch a lot of Japanese anime, and this is not even close to what animation should look in 2011!! and not even the cliffhangers are that exciting! I think Avatar: The Last Airbender's pilot was way more entertaining.
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Without a doubt ThunderCats is setting itself up to be epic - from music to animation it's superior. I hope the re-creators of Voltron are sweating.
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And I really think you should go back to reading Twilight and wearing hipster jacket and performing non-rhyming poetry in your snooty poetry cafe, wondering what the hell is wrong with the world and why can't they live up to your standards, and tossing shit off your ivory tower and looking down at us "peasants" and "plebeians" and feeling smugly superior than the rest of us while in reality you were simply compensating about the lack of attention your parents gave to you as a child and thus seek it out in all the wrong places until you finally found it in your Uncle John who took you behind the shed to introduce you to "Blinky the One Eyed Snake" who loved nothing more than to cuddle with subservient little boys right where their poop-hole is while he himself is repeating the cycle that his father and grandfather and great grandfather and great great grandfather has been doing all these time, crying quietly as you reminiscent about that fateful day and countering in scorn over any semblance of normalcy presented to you and in turn lash out in anger because your childhood trauma destroyed your the tiniest bit of what little left of your sense of confidence which you can only emulate by inciting other people's angers because such is the only way you know how to communicate, of which of course you are blameless because if your "Freudian Excuse" card does not work, you can always claim that you have Asperger and hence is insensitive to other people's feelings, always having the need to prove yourself to be superior without even realizing that you are a NERD, sir, and none the better than the rest of us. Good DAY, sir!
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I was just shocked at how RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME this premier was. I now pray to God, Jesus, Buddha, Trombe!, ect, ect... that CN doesn't make the extremely stupid decision to end this series pre-maturely. They have been known to do this in the past, remember.
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Too much information is one mans too little information, T.L.I. and one other mans J.E.I, Just enough information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaRp_w3Qgs
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Caught about half of the premier episode and it looked really good. I'll be interested to see if they bring Panthro back (probably about 2/3 of the way through the season if they do) and what they do with WileyKit/Cat.
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I'm surprised at all the haters. I thought this was a great reboot. Even better I get to watch it with my 6 year old son. A lot of the kids animation that they show today pays no attention to back story or plot lines or characters. It’s usually slapstick hit in the balls kind of humor. I can’t wait for Friday
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Just watched this, and I would say it was pretty good, though not perfect. The looped animation was a problem for me, and there was often this sense that we should already know who these characters are. Mumm-Ra, for instance. The characters talk about him from the beginning like we should know who he is. Now, of course, I do know who he is because I remember the old show, but that doesn't mean every kid watching for the first time has any idea, or should have to have seen the old show to get it. That said, I liked the show enough to give it a chance to keep impressing me. It had a bit of a generic start (although how jaded are we as nerds that a show about humanoid cat aliens with magic weapons in a war against humanoid lizard aliens with super-advanced technology led by an evil mummy is old hat?), but it's all in the execution, which I think was capable enough. Much depends on where it goes from here. The show could become a flat, generic toy commercial, or it could allow the world and characters to grow organically, and move toward some kind of well-told endgame. I'll keep watching for long enough to see which direction it leans. As a side note, I am intrigued by the idea that not all the lizards are 100% evil. In their way, they seem to be victims as well, which could lead to some interesting developments. Also, I love the new Snarf. He reminds me of one of my cats.
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no, hes' a teenager or something. The cats dont have spaceships or hypersleep chambers, just magic, so the original story of them going to 3rd Earth is out. Everything takes place on Thundera.
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Is Lion-O still a boy trapped in a mans body?
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The pilot was pretty good. Nice epic battle scenes with more real loss and character conflict than we probably got in the entirety of the original series. Promising character designs, but hard to get a feel for the group dynamics this early. Generally good looking animation, with a few rough patches. Solid B+, and I will put in a bit of effort to catch the next episode, which is more than I can say for any other kids' cartoons today besides MLP:FiM, Adventure Time and the upcoming Avatar. And while we're on the subject, MLP is the best recent 80's reboot. Sorry.
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Love$ animation
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I would put both hands on the wall, for Clancy Brown.
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Are you dumb? Spielberg loves animation. He's the 'S' in Dreamworks Animation SKG. He's produced animation for decades.
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I thought it was.
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I disagree with almost everything you said, except for this: Scooby Doo MI really is really amazing.
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They managed to make it feel pretty epic to me, but three acts may have made it even better. I wonder if anything got cut out.
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Furverts?
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OMG I feel stupid (or at least stupid as a kid) i was talking about that with the girlfriend and she was like "weren't them a couple?" and then i wikied it. YES, they were always a romantic thing, i don't know were i got the brother/sister thing (even the triangle was something the old cartoon had, just really explored) damn...
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alright, i can rest easy now, knowing that it is actually good. now, time to watch it...
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does he carry around a bottle of ketchup and look adorable? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAK-_LOg4Ls&feature=related
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Loved the relaunch. My kids were mesmerized and have memorized all the character's names and weapons and demanded that we watch the next episode. I had to explain they have to wait a week for the next one to which they were quite disappointed. I love how the characters have changed. Cheetara looks awesome and hopefully will have a larger part in the show. I like it that Tygra looks to be specializing in guns instead of his old whip, which should certainly appeal to all the 5-year olds who are used to commiting major gun-related felonies in GTA 4. Adding Mecha into the mix? Priceless. LOVED it when Lion-O blew Mumm-Ra through the wall of the building. AWE SOME And i'm wearing a Thundercats shirt right now.
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Riddle me this, Rob: if Cheetara is a cat, why does she only have two teats? There should be at *least* six. ;) All in all I thought it was pretty decent, I'm pleased they didn't abandon the influence of the original series wholesale in favor of the anime style. I do think the artwork based on Pepe Moreno's designs was cooler in the former series - I was pleased to see that was taken into consideration as well. Still a bit too kiddie for my tastes, but I hope the kids enjoy it.
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I wonder if we'll see those lovely Warrior Maidens...
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I have to agree whole-heartedly my wife and I (both fans of the original series) watched the re-boot show last night, and were both blown away. It was full of action, omitted the Brady dad style morality tales, and gave each character depth. I honestly didn't expect any of this. It's be best action cartoon I've seen in a long time. Very very excited to see where they go with it.
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Outside of some very nice animation, nothing about this reboot suggested it will be in the same league as Avatar: The Last Airbender. That show was something special. Time will tell.
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I really enjoyed it. Only two things struck sour notes with me: 1. The fight in the alley was a bit sluggish. The battle at the end more than made up for it. 2. The Eye of Thundera just shooting a big energy blast felt lazy. I would have rather seen it shot that Thundercats search light into the sky, and then every man woman and child in the city rallies as one to repel that invaders. Of course, that would be a lot more expensive too. The impression I got was that this was many many centuries after the 80s series. Clawdus had some exposition during that sword fight about their ancestors taming Third Earth and defeating Mum-ra. Of course, that scene was right when my wife walked into the room and tried to chat me up. Speedster clerics? Hells. Yes.
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Tygra is the Jon Snow of the Thundercats
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Hate the old version. LOVED THIS ONE. Beyond epic. Can't wait for the rest of the series.
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Why is that racist? It's story. Made for a great twist. Besides, it's fuckin' PANTHRO. Voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson. He ain't dead.
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The animation in all those shows wasn't anywhere near as good in their pilots as ThunderCats was. By the end of the first season, it will have the best animation of any American cartoon.
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DISAGREE. So far, nothing you've mentioned is anywhere near the level of the TC premiere. That being said, let's ssee how the rest of the show pans out.
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Furry perverts? XD
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Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! No furries, please! But yo got to admit that she's hot. I guess the designers are all perverts too, he he.
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My only problem with the reboot/sequel/whatever the hell is going on continuity wise with the Thudercats is that, well, it's TOO much story in a measly hour long premiere. I mean it just felt a little too quick for me to get a accurate judge on it (plus CN decided to only run it once, god I hate that network so much). I mean isn't the standard for these big 1980's toy property show reboots supposed to generally be 3-5 parts? MOTU circa 2002 had a three parter as it's premiere, Transformers Animated had a three parter, Transformers Prime had a five parter, and I'm too lazy to look up what GI Joe Renegades had. I guess I'm just used to that "three act" storyline in my action adventure cartoon pilots. This show came off to me more as a less epic MOTU 2002 but with cat people, which isn't a bad thing because I thought MOTU was awesome, maybe I'm calling it "less epic" than MOTU because I was expecting a bigger battle from Lion-O and Mumm-Ra than what was animated, because going on memory here, all I remember is Lion-O smacking the gauntlet on and doing the whole Sword of Omens thing and then Mumm-Ra touches sunlight and is defeated. Whereas He-man and Skeletor have this nice battle in the lava waterfall in the final part, but hey maybe having three parts to tell a bigger and slower paced story would have helped. But that said, I continue watching this series and seeing if it does surpass my beloved MOTU 2002 and TF: Animated.
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I don't know what you saw. I'm guessing you're around the same age as me, and I HATED the original cartoon! I wanted something that had a continuing story with characters that evolved and had a deep, mythical feel to it. I wanted something like "Star Blazers," which I had seen a few years before. I didn't get it and was very disappointed in the wasted potential. When "Robotech" came long, I dropped "Thundercats" like a hot potato. Now, 26 years later, I'm finally getting the Thundercats show that I wanted. And IMO, it's a quantum leap forward over the shit that I saw back then. You're entitled to your opinion, but from what I've been seeing, it's in the minority.
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I have never watched this cartoon movie, but according to the review, I think it is good for us to watch it...
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Hell hath no fury than a nerd scorned, eh?
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It's better than that one.
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Having never seen the original Thundercats myself, my reaction to any picture of Snarf has typically been "get that horrible creature away from me". By contrast, my reaction to the new one is simple "I want one".
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yeah, i see your point, i'm just trying to be....what's the word..man i don't use it much...positive?
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I haven't seen a lot of Young Justice, but I really haven't enjoyed the handful of episodes I've seen at all. Never cared much for Venture Bros. either. Avengers is growing on me.
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Your complaining is so cliche I feel insulted.
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How is Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated an 80s reboot?
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It was good, not great. Still needs work, but has time to grow. Cheetara needs a new design. Hate the crack whore look they gave her.
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I did notice the re-used animation as well. A little odd for a series premiere, to be honest. But for the most part, I thought we saw a great start.
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well better quality over quantity. there's venture bros and young justice and avengers
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Story-wise I agree with you. But still, animation quality and character designs in YJ are way better (for me at least).
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I think you should go back to reading Twilight, bro, because this is clearly isn't your thing.
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I dunno, dude. I get what you're saying, but I also totally get why they did what they did. With the love triangle in place, it adds to the already beautiful complexity of Lion-O and Tygra's relationship. Big L already has an inferiority complex with Tygra's "mad skillz", and Tygra has that "Why can't I be king?" deal going on. "Fighting over the girl" is just the proper icing on the sibling rivalry cake, I think.
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There's still the possible chance that the Thunder Kittens might mess it up, though...
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yeah, see if she can work some superman or batman stage magic. and see if some pretentious formerly great band from the early 90's can join in.
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And thus, a new generation of furries are born. XD
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Nostalgia makes everything better. Especially when they're handled properly in the reboot. Now, Crisis on Infinite Reboots, however...
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avenger's cartoon?
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I know, right? Avatar: TLA is becoming the new standards for American cartoons, and hot damn am I sincerely excited for you gaijins as well. You're at the dawn of a wonderful, awesome new era of animation, fellas. Enjoy the ride! XD
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i hear it's better to burn out than to fade away
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I am happy to report that a new generation of furry has been born in the form of my little brother. As of the moment of this posting, my baby bro has watched the new Cats, LVOE it, and is going to school with my old Sword of Omen toy that had somehow managed to survive the destruction of my childhood days. XD Oh and you can bet your furry asses me and him would be watching this show religiously from day 1. Fanboys, HOOOOOOOOO!!
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For me, Thundercats was okay to watch back in the day, but I preferred Silverhawks (was more into space adventure than fantasy at the time), and Thundercats didn't age well for me. However, after having watched this first episode, I'm seriously stoked for this series. Very well done and compelling as hell.
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it was good, but TF:prime, SW:clone wars, and most importantly the venture bros. Are better. I agre with the nostalgia glasses comment.
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We're only two episodes in on the new ThunderCats, but it's wonderfully good. While watching, the first comparison that came in to my mind was Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's really shaping up to be that good. I severely hope it continues to bring the quality. There's a severe lack of good animated epics in North America these days.
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Ya want me to see if Julie Taymor has some free time?
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As long as he doesnt tell you to put your hand against the wall!
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Uhhhh... My Little Pony anyone? No? Just kidding, I see images popping up on forums from time to time, and I thought it would be the proper place to bring it up. That said, I've never watched Thundercats and could honestly not name a single character. Is it weird to watch non-humor cartoons without any kind of nostalgia? I think it would be...
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Ok, we got it the first time - you DON"t like the show. Go away now.
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i was thinking that Panthro (who was said to have been killed in battle) isnt really dead. he survived the battle that Grune said killed him and he's out there learning how to build all kindsa nifty devices and machines in order to survive in the wilds of third earth. kind of like a reverse Robinson Crusoe sorta thing.
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Just watched it on demand. Heh, there was a Ro-bear arm in the junk shop. Nice! TC
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I think the pilot is certainly better than the pilot for Young Justice. I'm not a ThunderCats fanboy by any means. I think both pilots have their problems, but ThunderCats came out the stronger of the two.
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I couldn't agree more! This show blew me away. IGN gave it a 9 out of 10 and I feel they undersold it. I can't get over how amazing it is.
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If you go on cartoon networks website you can watch full episodes after confirming your cable or satelite account.
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Most people loved Avatar. Your point?
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Actually, as much as I disliked the writing, it was beautifully animated. I'm going to give it a chance, and keep watching mainly because I liked the art and animation, but the premiere doesn't give me high hopes.
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I did, unfortunately.
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While I have to admit that Thundercats now has the best clerics in history of the high fantasy genre, I wasn't entirely sold on the premiere. Animation was looped, they unabashedly went to stock footage sequence on THE FIRST FREAKING EPISODE, and parts of the narrative just felt weird. It felt like I was watching a Thundercats JRPG, which isn't necessarily bad, but I need more for me to say "this is good."
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I didn't read all of the comments, but has someone already mention how hot is Cheetara? I literally blush the first time she smile, and I was watching it with my wife.
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I would agree. While I didn't deplore this new reboot I cannot say I was as excited as many others here. It felt like that Anime adventure you see a million times before. The not serious enough prince who has a good heart but is not responsible enough that is the destined leader. The, all together character, who tough and responsible and feels he would be better with the role of leadership. The tough hot babe. The 2 poor orphans who are very resourceful for their age. Plus the hero who is missing that would come up later. All fighting an enemy who is technologically superior. I know I've seen this. Why is it all our lead characters have to be destined. Why can't they just achieve greatness. The Original Lion-O grew to his position as leader. I like growth in characters, not hey look I made it to point I was told I would be at. Now in complete disclosure Tigra was my favorite character in the old series. He was wise, logical and empathetic. So I was going to judge the new character tough. While I see a little of that character in the new one, I don't see the wise, scientific and moral adviser that he was in the old series. Not to mention this whole were half brothers thing is just going to be tons of sibl rivalry storyline. I don't have enough info on Cheetara yet. I would like to see something done with her that isn't just she's hot. I also don't have enough info on Kit and Kat but the old one's were from noble birth. Not that thats really here or there but this kind of change to orphan urchins usually leads to cliche. No info on Panthro yet. Snarf, I'm so far OK with. Yea, it's not the interactive character he was in the old series but it was such an annoying character I'm fine with the change. I'm also not wild about the ThunderCats being basically raciest jerks. I like the nobility of the old ThunderCats. Despite what some literary people say, a group of characters can be noble and still have growth. Now I am not saying I hated it. But I didn't feel anything that would make me jump up and dance. Does anyone know if they are going to have the characters of Lynx-o, Pumyra, and Ben-Gali?
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great first ep! I totally called the 'father! noooooooooo!' line :^)
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As nifty as I think this new Thundercats will be (haven't had a chance to watch it yet), I seriously doubt it will be better than Transformers Animated........... But I love Transformers more than any other 80s property, so I must admit to some bias.
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Sing the MST3K themesong to yourself.
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It may be a generic children's cartoon based on an overused premise, but it's a fucking good one. The story is formulaic, but it's a formula that I happen to like. It's the same reason that I read every Tolkien emulating fantasy novel and still judge them on their own merits. If you can write a story that works well within a formula, then it deserves to be judged in light of itself. Thundercats is nothing new, but I still liked it.
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No, you don't trust Lex Luthor ;-)
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oh yeah, i didnt like that they had empty red balls on their costumes and not the thundercats symbols already instead :/
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i mean, it is quite beautiful and it is well animated (it looks like anime :) beautiful 3d mechas blend quite nicely to the 2d) and i had a good time watching it (besides being a bit creeped out by the change in siblings to possible lovers) but story was nice, jaga's clerigs are kick-ass (cheetara is amazing, forget what i said, i would flirt with her even if she were my sister) lets see what comes next
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I thought the pilot was pretty awesome, too. And a no-talk snarf is my dream come true. I did feel like they went on the cheap from time to time, reusing looped army animations and stuff. But, still really good overall.
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why isn't anyone talking about how Tygra, once her brother is now flirting with Cheetara? I thought that was a bit awkward... i mean, i know, different continuity, but just some things don't really HAVE to be changed...
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Actually, you really just shouldn't trust Clancy Brown... unless he's in Starship Troopers, maybe
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Nice to know I wasn't alone saying all the 'important things' in time with the characters. I'm real happy with the remake.
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I really don't 'get' your positive review. The entire thing was just so formulaic. Every scene was predictable, by-the-book, cookie-cutter and just utterly 'been there, done that'. Lion-O had no distinct personality of his own except for his position as prince, he had a generic rival brother. He has a father who's king, so we know right away that his father had to die at some point by the hands of an enemy. The enemy were the lizards, who were at war with the cats for... well, no apparent reason. I guess they just needed an evil army of genericness. So, Lion-O spent his time sneaking around the city in disguise, like all royal characters have done ever. The only difference being, he does so in order to buy technology, which is outlawed by the cats for no adequately explained reason. The lizards do have technology though, including tactical missiles, which they have never deployed against the cats for reasons that aren't adequately explained. So lizards attack and the king dies, which was such a total shock that I almost woke up. Lion-O, his annoying brother and generic personality-devoid love interest are locked in a cell, which they escape with the help of Jaga who does his "You Shall Not Pass" moment. The following episodes will include Lion-O meeting up with the two annoying orphans that we were hoping would get written out of the story, and attempting to rescue Panthro who'll wind up having been kidnapped by the lizards in an attempt to find the location of the book of omens (which Panthro will know the location of, of course). This might all be a new, exciting and never-before-seen storyline for you, if you've never seen Avatar the Last Airbender, or the Masters of the Universe remake, or the Ninja Turtles remake, or the Highlander cartoon, or the Legend of Prince Valiant, or Escaflowne, or Lord of the Rings, or ANY FANTASY SHOW OR MOVIE THAT'S EVER BEEN INVENTED IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.
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Ok, we got that you don't like it. Enough already.
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Thundercats suffers from the same problem most animated series do now, including most anime in fact it's mainly because of it, it's really stiff. Sure when the action picks up it looks better, but inbetween those the characters look flat and static. There's no emotion, no real acting, it's relying purely on dialogue. There's a lot more personality in Venture Bros' animation. It's not the best animation ever but it's better than ThunderCats'. And sorry Zero but there was nothing organic about the original. That animation was just pure shit. Nothing redeeming at all.
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No, it's really not. But thanks for playing.
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Just give it up, man. Nobody cares.
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I actually had no problem with Snarf talking and am somewhat disturbed by his lack of vocals... In any event, great start...Tygra must be adopted though...
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Better than... wait for it... My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic?
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So it's basically just like Young Justice, but not animated as well.
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You didn't watch beyond the mediocre "Darkness Rising" five-parter, didn't you =/
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I enjoyed it, but I wasn't nearly as impressed as most here. It's beautifully animated, but I prefer Young Justice in that department. The pacing and obvious dialogue/plot points bugged me, but as an introductory episode it's to be expected I guess. I'd say overall it's a strong reboot with potential, but still has a long way to go before I'd call it great.
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