• But seriously, in theory it ought to work: it would mix a crime procedural show (complete with quirky eccentrics) like NCIS or CIS or the dozen other things on TV right now (not that I'm dissing NCIS {g}) with the same basic proven plot structure as "The Incredible Hulk". Bruce (maybe going under the name of David {g}) drifts into town, finds the trouble, figures out how to solve it, has to bat-out twice an episode, is chased by an investigative reporter for a murder he didn't commit who is convinced this is the missing heir to the Wayne fortune.

• They could call it "Gray Son", just to mess with the fans. {g}

• they basically did that with angel back in the early 2000s. it's basically a supernatural version of batman without the costume. even going as far as giving him a "son" who's very robin-like. the deadman idea was the most logical one. they really don't need to change anything to the comic, but i'm sure they'll change the costume if it gets made.

• Smallville sucked.

• Ray Wise. Can't believe I forgot his name - fucking amazing. Charming and dickish in a way only Satan could pull off. I'm not sure why the nerd community didn't get all up in arms about the cancelling of this show in the same way that they did with Firefly. I like Firefly but I didn't long for it after its cancellation like I did with Reaper. The stuff with Sam's Dad being a demon was getting really good.

• I got all excited for a minute thinking Smallville spin-off.... then I read the article.

• Well, this gives me new hope for pitching my Teddy Ruxpin movie script..which is really just a clockpunk remake of "The Longest Day."

• 1. http://www.amazon.com/DC-Super-Heroes-Healthy-Cookbook/dp/0517417618 2. Do old murders count in the DCnU? Is there a statute of limitations?

• Douchiness??? I bet you're a Hawkman fan,arent you?

• I think they warned us about that at school...

• You know, that would actually be sweet if they did it right -(hahahahahah like they'd do it right) - solving mysteries and learning to fight and whatnot, after all he IS the worlds greatest detective, a side that not even Nolan's go into great length to portray. He didn't gain detective skills and sheer awesome over night, why not examine how he became who he is, as you say Pre-Cowl. I could dig that pretty hard.

• Thaaaaaaaaaaaank evil flying zombie fucking Christ there are folks that remember Reaper as fondly as I do. It was one of the first times I got on board with something on tv I truly loved and one of the first experiences with having my hopes and dreams for a favorite new series crushed by assholes that think Gossip Girl is the better play. Funny and original and RAY MOTHERFUCKING WISE as the best devil, possibly ever. Ever. You're spot on, the writers had something gold that got pissed away by corporate sex dolls.

• WB/CW... Determined to make sure the only good celluloid they produce is stamped with "Batman".  *sigh*

• I...dont know how to feel about this. Everything you guys have said is true,but GA is still my favorite Non-Batman superhero,so I still kind of want this to happen even if its horrible. Do you know how painful its been to be a Green Arrow fan reading the current Green Arrow comics? DC has made it plain and clear that they DO NOT give a rats ass about Ollie and company....the recent reboot where they turned Ollie into Steve Jobs and made Roy a scumbag recovering alcoholic with Killer Croc as his sobriety sponsor is just the icing on the shit cake. Maybe this show will start out as terrible,typical CW crap and then someone involved will read Mike Grells run on the character. Or Denny O'Neils. Or even Chuck Dixon's. Maybe in season 2 or 3 they'll bring in some of the comics writers to work on the show. Maybe this will be awesome and then everyone will finally realize how awesome Green Arrow actually is. Or maybe the show will run for ten years and he'll never grow his goatee,shoot an arrow,or graduate high-school....except in the series finale,and it will all happen off-screen.

• I could only buy into a pre-Batman show if it involved him traveling America, helping solve crimes like CSI with a bit of action in it. I would totally get behind that.

• I would totally watch the shit out of a Daredevil TV series. There could be some pretty amazing things done with it.

• Thanks for getting what I was hinting at. Naturally, the one show that COULD work as a combo legal drama/action show is the one property they'll never touch.

• You know, even as a child, I would have walked away from a dude wanting to fire an arrow at my head. 

• I read the Paul Dini comment this morning and have been laughing about it all day.

• Running a television network (or a movie studio) is a business.  It's not about art or creativity, it's just about the money.  So these guys are business school grads and market-research enthusiasts.  They couldn't care less about "continuity" or such things...

• Didn't we already have a Green Arrow TV show? You know, Smallville. The one where Oliver Queen somehow founded the Justice League with Cyborg from the Teen Titans, before Superman ever existed? Wait, what do you mean that show was about Superman?!!

• Next season on the CW: <i>DAREDEVIL!</I>

• That's what annoys me about most Hollywood treatments of superheroes. It's either "Let's remake the origin story for the 100th time" or "Let's remove everything about the character but the name". There's so much in the middle that would work better, but its almost always ignored.

• I'll be the first one to defend Smallville for what it was - an entertaining look at the Clark Kent mythos. While some may disagree on the entertaining part, it is all a matter of taste - it obviously had a strong enough fan base to keep it on for 10 years. That's impressive no matter how you look at it. And it did do a fairly fun job of using DC characters in cool ways (some less so than others). But if they are going to go ahead and make a Green Arrow program that is not only against the Smallville-grain, but against any real links to the comic history whatsoever - well, fuck you very much, I'll pass.

• They never should have cancelled Reaper - that show was fucking amazing. It had the perfect mix of comedy, drama, and supernatural awesomeness. Not to mention, the best Satan to ever grace the small (and quite possibly the large) screen.

• It's who you know... or more likely daddy gave you the job just like his father did. Hereditary. They don't call them Hollywood royalty for nothing.

• Why create a series based on Green Arrow if you're not going to use anything from the comics? Why not change the name to Arrow and not even associate with the Green Arrow character? The executives might claim they're trying to get some branding/ name recognition, but how much is there really, if they don't use anything from the comics? It would be like a Superman TV show where they don't show Superman and where the main characters get possessed by witches from the 18th century. Oh, wait, that happened on the CW. Never mind.

• Wasn't that Boston Legal? (All I remember about Boston Legal is Spader and Shatner and a bunch of pictures of roofs.)

• As someone who actively hates the Oliver Queen character, this would actually make me more likely to watch the show. On the other hand, they'll probably manage to make the only similarity between the TV show and the comics character his skyscraper-size douchiness.  Sigh.

• I totally want to see this show. And if they do Deadman....well if they are done well it will be super awesome. How dare I be optimistic though. Also what is CW?

• I'd just like the Internet to know that I have no opinion on this whatsoever.

• Yeah the better episodes in the last half of the series were Green Arrow centric. It helps I have an actor with charisma and can actually, you know, act. Once Lex left the show, GA filled the void of having somebody that could carry a scene. Just think how great of a show it would have been with both... Makes you wonder how good the Aquaman show would have been. As dumb as it sounded, he was set to star.

• Or a show that is half courtroom drama/half rooftop battles with ninjas! 

• If they really wanted to entertain people they would have left Brave and the Bold the eff alone, and for a new show, spun off Aquaman. TV Network execs hate joy. It is the only explanation.

• I would like to know how these people get to run a television network?

• " It is written and executive produced by The Green Lantern co-writers Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim"Shouldn't there be a law by now that says these guys can never write again, and that they aren't allowed to associate at all? If not, how do I go about starting a petition for this sort of thing?

• I was actually hopeful, for a bit, there.  Granted, CW's record on this is extremely uneven - Smallville vs. Everything Else They Ever Tried Doing - but a Green Arrow book far removed from the recent comics wouldn't neccesarily be a bad thing.  In the New 52 Ollie has basically been reinvited as Tony Stark sans alcoholism, with none of the personality of the Denny O'Neil/Mike Grell days.  And pre-New 52 Ollie was a mess, thanks to Judd Winick's ignoring all of the character's rich history.And then I saw it.  The name that sends a shiver up the spines of every Green Arrow fan in the world."...Vampire Diaries alum Andrew Kreisberg..." Andrew Kreisberg.  A.K.A. The one writer to have even less of a handle on Green Arrow and Black Canary than Judd Winick.  http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com/search/label/Andrew%20Kreisberg

• Given that "Vampire Diaries alum Andrew Kreisberg" was briefly the writer on Green Arrow/Black Canary and that he wrote Dinah so horribly that it made Judd Winick's treatment of the character look like Gail Simone... well, I'll shamelessly self-promote and link to my review of the first issue of his GA/BC run.  http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com/2008/12/green-arrowblack-canary-15-in-review.html

• Why don't they just repeat the Smallville pattern, but with Bruce Wayne (except, y'know, good)? Hell, just call it "Wayne" and make it all pre-cowl stuff a la the Adventures of Young Indiana Jones.

• As frustrating as this news is, you can bet that there's more than a number of DC Editors who are equally frustrated with this and many of the decisions WB/CW makes with the properties.   They have little or no say over what happens to the characters outside of the pages they draw, ink, write, etc.

• The sad thing is, with the comic fandoms luck, she'll be Bella with the name Dinah Lance... I need to go cry for a bit...

• So will he be a law student or a medical student? And will The Woman be a terrible Bella or a terrible Lana Lang? Hah, listen to me, "terrible Bella." Like there's any other kind.

• I smell liveblog fodder.... Either that or shit. Maybe both.

• That show cracked me up the one time I tried watching it - the chainmail pattern printed shirts on the bad guy extras were so bad they're now all I remember

• It's not even just Hollywood as a whole.  Its the TV industry.  Even the bad comic book movies are no were near as off base as some of these show concepts...  Who here remembers Grayson, the planned show about Dick Grayson before he was Robin?  Where he would have been called DJ by most people...More recently we have Wonder Woman.  Wonder Woman would have been about Wondy being a business woman... Have any of the movies, even the bad ones, been this off base? Even Steel at least got the character right to some degree...I just don't understand...

• Could just watch the BBC's Robin Hood. Same damn thing.

• I'm not a Green Arrow fan by any stretch of the bowstring, but this is just... No. I'm half hoping I'm still asleep and this is some strange, horrible dream caused by the pain of growing wisdom teeth. (Which started only after I discovered this website. Coincidence? Probably.)

• To be fair, a courtroom drama with bow-battles would be awesome.

• By the end of the series wasn't Smallville the Green Arrow show anyway so what's the point?  They should just bite the bullet and make a Batman series, it's the only way they'll get big ratings and now the Nolan trilogy is ending not only will there be no brand confusion but WB could recycle props and costumes from the films.  I'm sure it's not as simple legally speaking than what I just said but at this point Batman is the only cashcow DC and the WB has at the moment.

• Because it worked so well when they tried this tactic with Catwoman. Oh, and Green Lantern writers are involved too. This has win written all over it. 

• looks like the ones doing green arrow figured oh lets stay away from the source material and just use the character though i did think green arrow should have gotten a spin off from smallville but this version  too bad warners does not  have some one caring enough of the dc characters to kill this thing before even the pilot is shot

• I don't get it. Hollywood still seems to be embarrassed by comic book properties, yet every time they try and compensate, it's either profoundly disappointing and frustrating (Smallville) or even more embarassing and stupid (The Cape). And yet time and again, comics fans and non-fans will both flock to comic properties done right (X-Men 1 & 2, Batman, Spider-Man) and away from unfaithful, poor, or stupid treatments (X-Men 3, Green Lantern, FF 2).  There's now a really big set of examples of things that work and things that don't, and yet we still get travesties like last year's TV Wonder Woman and now the (non-Green) Arrow.  I missed my calling.  I should have wanted to work in Hollywood, where you can produce all kinds of inane shit that defies common sense and experience and still keep working.

• I think I have it figured out... this CW television based Arrow is not going to use arrows, rather he will be using staples fired from his trusty Arrow brand stapler, hence the name change and not using anything comic or Smallville related. This new Arrow will be a lowly peon who fights injustice in the gritty world of some conglomerate headquarters. Scum who do not reload the Xerox machine when done will quake in fear. Villains who leave dirty dishes in the kitchen area will be forced to account for their misdeeds!

• Boy, the four potential counts of manslaughter are sure worth it for a tasty fruit snack. Ollie needs more to do, he's a bad LiveLeak video waiting to happen.

• Isn't the CW the same network that shitcanned Reaper? Then they can go fuck themselves. Of COURSE this is the "Green Arrow" show that gets made. Fuck, they'll probably make it a gritty courtroom drama or some shitty One Tree Hill tweenbeat garbage. I have so much rage for things that could be done awesome and aren't, and things that ARE EVERY BIT AS RAD AS THEY SHOULD BE, but are succinctly cancelled. I know that's every tv station and every nerd, but the CW seems to be a prime offender.

• One, I want to know the name of that cookbook, & two, I want to know the location of where those kids' bodies are buried.

• Warner Brothers/DC Comics has this whole synergy thing down, I tell ya...

• "Because it has nothing to do with the DC universe or Smallville or anything. That's good. Let's make a show about a popular comics character, and then make sure it has nothing to do with the comics that spawned him. This way, comics fans can be disappointed by the series, and non-comics fans who do like the show won't accidentally be inclined to buy the comics." This kind of decision-making perplexes me, just like the Akira movie...

• Hey, is that kid in the Superman shirt a young Paul Dini?

• I know nothing about the CW, nor do I care. However, that Green Arrow image blasted me back to my childhood as I totally had the "cookbook" that it was in.

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