Hollywood... you absoultely shit your pants on this remake concept.

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You doubt wrongly. I saw Flight of the Navigator when I was six (without my mother's knowledge) and it helped define my imagination for most of my childhood. Great weird old movie *because* it's a weird old movie.
I also agree that a Buffy remake is an incredibly stupid idea.

Fuck this!

Is it me or does Joss Whedon always seem to get fucked. I mean, yeah Dollhouse blew, but Firefly was awesome and well that died off. And now this. A Buffy movie without Joss Whedon is just a Van Helsing with tits. And in California.

Speaking of bad ideas for remakes, I was perusing the MSN list of upcoming 'big' movies, and it lists an impending Spielberg/Wil Smith remake of Oldboy. WTF???

I loved Flight of the Navigator, so there's at least two of us who are upset. Although, mildly so, because no shitty remake announcements surprise me anymore (dishearten, yes, but not surprise).

[b]Van Helsing with tits[/b]

I don't see the problem here.

But really I am not happy that they are doing this with out Whedon, but the biggest thing that is fail would be if they brought in a new cast. I mean taht would just be fucked up.

Let's see.

It'll be Megan Fox and Shia the Beef.

Pee Wee Herman was in both of those movies. One pre-public masturbation, one post. I hope they put him in the remakes. Masturbating.

As someone who has a nostalgic love for Flight of the Navigator, I don't much care either way about the remake. I'd prefer something new, but, whatever, Hollywood.

They best put Paul Reubens in Flight of The Navigator-- it just wouldn't be the same without him!

That Buffy movie was jokes. I loved it! I never really got into that emo show with all the unrealistic, too-cute-for-the-room conversation. A remake of that movie sounds like a great idea. Bring it on!

@ erm

wrong. Dollhouse is awesome. your posts are now irrelevant.

Liked the old Buffy movie and like original Flight of the Navigator. I'm not upset by the Navigator remake because my DVD still works fine. A new movie isnt going to magically erase it.

They could film it in Russia, starting in late autumn. That'd make it a worse fucking idea, I suppose.

Well, Whedon was involved in the Kristy Swanson movie since he wrote it, but, yeah, this is a terrible idea. Even worse, for some reason the hack director of the first movie (who has done pretty much nothing but ride Whedon's coattails since) holds the rights to the franchise and clearly got tired of waiting for the TV cast to agree to a movie and figured she better reboot it quick before vampires get not hot again. And since Whedon will probably do a movie off the TV show at some point,this is just double-dipping.

Clearly the concept isn't why people fell in love with Buffy--it's the cast and creator. Just turning Hayden Panetierre or whoever into a vampire hunting cheerleader isn't going to hack it.

I know this will lose me some cred, but I prefer the old Buffy movie to that abortion of a TV show that, in the words of every Whedonite I've ever spoken to, "Isn't worth watching until season two."

Well, I don't think it's worth watching AFTER season two, either.

The movie, however, was pretty cute. Paul Reubens stole the show, and the whole concept made more sense in the movie. "Buffy" was meant to be the vampire-fighting precursor to "Legally Blonde", and in that it succeeded.

But then, I loathe Whedon and pretty much every Mary Sue turd he's polished and called a show. The 1992 movie was his high point as a scriptwriter, and we all know that despite that, it still bombed.

A new one? Meh. Bring it on, I guess, but don't expect me to be interested. Personally, I hate vampires now. The complete retardization of vampires began with Anne Rice, continued on into Vampire: The Masquerade, was solidified by the Buffy TV series, and finally buried in its own feces with Twilight. I don't give a fuck about vampires anymore, because they're not vampires now. They're people with super-powers, no real loss or curse, and no credence whatsoever to the original folklore.

To me, the best vampire movie is and always will be the original Nosferatu.

@nick "Just turning Hayden Panetierre or whoever into a vampire hunting cheerleader isn't going to hack it." Oh god no! I mean she'd be perfect for the role since her acting consists of pretty much playing a cheerleader or some other stereotypical princess like character (figure skater).

I actually like the Buffy movie more than the show. Never got into the show, but the movie was pure silly B-movie bliss.

As for Flight of the Navigator, yes this needs to be remade and hopefully a little better than the old one. Don't get me wrong, I liked the old one when I was a kid, but it feels dated and silly compared to other kid classics of the time. I wouldn't mind good (keyword is good as in intelligent) remakes of The Explorers, D.A.R.Y.L., The Never Ending Story, The Goonies, The Wizard, WarGames, etc.

Isn't it WAY to early for a Buffy reboot?

I'd think that shelling out to involve Joss and SMG would actually put butts in seats since, geez, they made the show popular and it only ended a few years ago. Wow, maybe actually making a Buffy movie with the actress everyone knows as Buffy would mean success. Maybe that makes too much sense. :-P

Let's see, they rewrote Joss's original script. They allowed Sutherland to write his own dialogue. They made it camp, but not camp enough to be fun just mildly laughable. Now they want dark and fun? A little late I think.

I want my cheesey 80s Flight of the Navigator to stay firmly cheesey and 80s. If they try to remake The Boy Who Could Fly I'll hurt someone.

I swear to god, if you touch The Explorers I will end you!

@ arsenal
I think we all have seen enough of hugh jackman's tits in the X-men movies

I liked the original Buffy flick and a remake would be cool but only if someone who can act is put in the role of buffy and they eliminate luke perry's charecter. Like many above commenters I am no longer angry about remakes. Hollywood is out of really good ideas and just needs to shit out movies in order to try and keep going. With the luck of nerds lately the movie will be directed by raitner and star the cast of "the hills"

Remake The Goonies? Blasphemy! For me, (and I imagine many other fans) a large part of the charm of kid classics from the '80s is, well, the '80s-ness.

Leave it to Hollywood to make "FAIL!" into "ULTRA-FAIL!!!"

Doesn't Buffy and Navigator both have Paul "Pee Wee Herman" Reubens in them? I hope this means that the long promised 3rd Pee Wee movie will finally get made! *fingers crossed*

Just b/c Buffy was not good until Season 2 means nothing. Season 1 was only 12 frickin eps. While I will not comment on each seaon, 2, 3, and parts of 4 were good.

Eh, I don't see why it has to be either/or with Buffy fans. Comparing Buffy-the-movie with Buffy-the-TV show is like comparing blood-sucking apples to blood-sucking oranges. They both have their merits and they both have their flaws. Those flaws being that they're not Firefly.

Casting:

Buffy:
A) Natalie Portman
B) Scarlett Johanson
C) Megan Fox
D) Cher

Hollywood: Call Cher and see if she's interested.

That makes as much sense as remaking this movie.

Hollywood, you pushed too hard.

The one movie that actually needs to be remade is Fantastic Voyage. What the hell, Emmerich? You were gonna do it but you did 10,000 B.C. instead? Are you retarded?

Didn't Whedon write the original Buffy movie? So...wasn't it NOT done without him originally?

And I think the response to me above (and the oh-so-mature screen name chosen by the cowardly poster) pretty much underlines why I dislike rabid Whedonites and how they've completely tarnished ANY possibility of me even attempting to appreciate Whedon's work in the future.

I'm never surprised by what mewling babies and rabid zealots the Whedonites can be. You'd think I insulted Mohammed instead of Joss Whedon.

Yeah, I never "got" Buffy at all (Angel I did like, however, and Firefly was good enough for what it was), so it's not like this is treading on hallowed ground or anything.

Besides, let's be realistic: Buffy was a "hit" on the WB. That's not exactly saying much; hell, going by number of seasons produced, Smallville's a much bigger "hit" at this point.

Really, after Star Trek, Hollywood's hopefully finally figured out to not listen to the online fans and just make something entertaining. Of course, you also get Transformers with that same attitude, but you can't win 'em all.

Ok, I've got to defend my show. The show wasn't bad, it was awesome. Why the frick do you think it ran for seven freaking seasons? It had deep, complex characters, interesting and twisting plots, clever dialogue, well-choreographed fight scenes, and so on. You also have to remember it came out in 1997 or so, so Buffy was just about one of the first "strong" female characters that didn't need constant saving by hunky men. Girls loved this. Plus, I adore the way the show portrayed vampires: closest to original vampire myth as possible. At least they don't freaking spark in the sunlight, yah?
It's okay if you don't like it--you're entitled to an opinion. I just wanted to defend the show I'd been in love with since I was only 13.

Ok, I've got to defend my show. The show wasn't bad, it was awesome. Why the frick do you think it ran for seven freaking seasons? It had deep, complex characters, interesting and twisting plots, clever dialogue, well-choreographed fight scenes, and so on. You also have to remember it came out in 1997 or so, so Buffy was just about one of the first "strong" female characters that didn't need constant saving by hunky men. Girls loved this. Plus, I adore the way the show portrayed vampires: closest to original vampire myth as possible. At least they don't freaking spark in the sunlight, yah?
It's okay if you don't like it--you're entitled to an opinion. I just wanted to defend the show I'd been in love with since I was only 13.

ZeroCorpse said:
But then, I loathe Whedon and pretty much every Mary Sue turd he's polished and called a show.

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"The show wasn't bad, it was awesome. Why the frick do you think it ran for seven freaking seasons?"

There's been plenty of horrible shows that have lasted longer (again, freaking SMALLVILLE is up to nine with no signs of stopping), and on better networks than WB / UPN. Buffy isn't bad, but citing its tenure isn't exactly a persuasive argument. It's like calling According to Jim a great comedy because it lasted eight seasons.

Basically, Buffy ran for seven seasons because the network it was originally on basically had shit ratings, and Buffy delivered ratings that were slightly less shitty.

(Oh, and Buffy's fight scenes are in the unintentional comedy hall of fame. Even on a TV budget they were godawful, and the budget can't be the only excuse because Angel's never looked that bad. Probably because Angel's lead actor didn't have to be doubled all the time.)

I LOVED Flight of the Navigator. It still holds up too...at least I think so. So that's more earth shattering than Buffy. I could give a crap about Buffy. Well...unless the remake is along the lines of that Star Trek porno. Then I might give a crap about Buffy.

Ah...so after reading all the comments, apparently the reason I don't give a crap about Buffy is because it (supposedly) got better after the first season. I was so unimpressed by the first season (with the exception of the eye candy) that I couldn't really bring myself to watch any more.

Really though...when will the remakes stop? Has it always been this bad? Because I remember them remaking stuff when I was younger, but it seems like there's about 1 popular blockbuster movie, for every 10 remakes/reboots

Stephen said:

"Basically, Buffy ran for seven seasons because the network it was originally on basically had shit ratings, and Buffy delivered ratings that were slightly less shitty."

ZeroCorpse said:

"I'm never surprised by what mewling babies and rabid zealots the Whedonites can be. You'd think I insulted Mohammed instead of Joss Whedon."

I got to disagree with you both. I'll get the easy one out of the way. ZeroCorpse, you're a joke. You come in here on your first post and make extremely aggressive comments and then act surprised when someone bites back. In your the first couple of sentences you entered, you call Buffy an "abortion of a show". Any fan of anything would be upset for such a bitter attack. Be honest, you wanted to cause a uproar, you drama-queen. Stop blaming it on the whedon fans and go deal with your issues.

As for Buffy as a show, I am both a hardcore vamp fan and comic fan. I love Nosferatu, Dracula, Near Dark, The Lost Boys, ect. Buffy was a fantastic show with a rich vampire mythology, which is what hooked me. Too shove it off as a mild WB hit is to do it some major discredit. Buffy was rough around the edges at times, but more then made up for it with it's high points and with spinning off of Angel. Whedon created a universe and continues to push this story to new depths with the current comicbook. Unfortunately, too many people lump Buffy with the likes of Twilight and such. Bottom line, it's not the same. It's not Charmed with fangs. It's not Dawson's Creek with monsters. It's a very cool and interesting world that Whedon has created. The metaphor of high school being hell is pretty damn solid! And if you can see the the honor and respect that the show pays to films like Nosferatu, The Lost Boys, Dracula, ect. then you're just not looking hard enough.

I loved, LOVED, the tv show. Up until she went to college, than it was pretty shitty.

But this... Hollywood... is an abortion!

Joss must have done something to Hollywood. That guy gets raped time and time by them.

the original Buffy movie is good fun. The first four 1/2 seasons of the Buffy tv show were television brilliance. And I always appreciated Flight of the Navigator, but I've only watched it once or twice, and I really could have done without the Paul Reubens voice. I don't think either one of these is so sacred to remake, but I still fucking hate the fucking ideas. There are plenty of lacking television series and movies that can be improved upon with a remake.

Was anyone else jealous of the kid in Flight of the Navigator because they gave him TransFormers between studying him?

Oh, er... I mean yeah, me neither...

Nuts to you, I loved Flight of the Navigator when I was a kid.

No matter how many people seem to love the guy... I really don't care about Joss Whedon. Yeah the first couple seasons of Buffy were good. Yeah, Firefly and its subsequent movie were good. I still don't really care. Don't hate the guy, I'm just indifferent to him.

That being said, the decision to make a new movie without him (which is what fans actually want) is absolutely idiotic. Almost like a Transformers movie where the humans get more screen time than the robots... oh wait.

ZeroCorpse continues to be awesome.

Bryant reads too much into things.

I don't want them to remake Flight of the Navigator.

I remember exactly what I wore to the theater to see the original Buffy movie.

That is all.

While I do think it's too early for a Buffy remake (the franchise needs its dormancy period), I would think the creative and critical success of Star Trek would earn it a little benefit of the doubt.

Robyn Robotron said:
"ZeroCorpse continues to be awesome.

Bryant reads too much into things."

Yeah, I read to much in things, it wasn't like I just pointed out exactly the BS ZeroCorpse was typing-oh, wait, that's exactly what I did.

Well at least Robyn offered explanations to those comments-oh, wait.

I love that this tool bag has a little army of back patters. What, is ZeroCorpse to busy making inflammatory comments and then bitching and moaning when people comment back at them?

You're right. ZeroCorpse is so awesome. Like totally. Where can I sign up for the tool bag brigade?

Yeah, so when did it become mandatory for us to hate Buffy? I really like the show. ZeroCorpse may not like it, which is fine, but if he really cannot separate Joss Weadon from fans of his show, he's about as smart as the people who wouldn't watch the new Star Trek Movies because they hate Trekkies.

Or, to be more concise, ZeroCorpse is an idiot.

New Buffy Movie?

OMFG. OMFG. OMFG. OMFG.

they are fecking remaking flight of the navigator
GOD DAMN IT
thats one of my most beloved childhood movies, used to watch it so many times.
was sucha simple movie, but worked so well.