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Wow, almost everyone has at least one good point... It was good to finally see a spider-man movie, though parts of all three were goofy (Macy Grey? Why?)The web shooter thing didn't bother me much, but why can't spider-man keep his mask on? Because Tobey Maguire wants his face seen,I'd assume. Calling Superman Returns a reboot is a bit off, I think. There were parts I liked, including Brandon Routh, but it felt like a retread of the first Superman movie, except now Superman is a shitty father. I generally hate reboots, it's a shortcut to quality control, the equivalent to a "do-over" but this might be okay. As someone pointed out,the cast are getting a bit old.
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The rights to Spider-man revert to Marvel after a certain period without a movie. Sony want to keep all the spider-man $$$ to themselves, so they can't let it go on hiatus.
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Am I the only one who is gonna point out that it is not Mephisto, but Beelzebub who is Lord of the Flies? C'mon!
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well hmm with a reboot they can fit it in with the rest of the marvel movies coming out
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Oh, I forgot... Pete's locked in a "time bubble" in the comics... god forbid he does something as stupid as grow old and mature in the movies. And here I thought they called him Spider-MAN for a reason... My apologies, everyone, but this has made me a very, very, VERY bitter man. The Hulk comment still stands, though.
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To hell with YOU, too.
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You mean the script that Raimi wanted, that they then proceeded to revise to do things like... oh, ADD FELICIA HARDY as the Vulturess, not to mention other stupid things they wanted to include, while keeping Raimi on a tight deadline? Sorry, I refuse to believe that this is solely Raimi's fault. I just can't believe that he'd do something like Spider-Man 3 after something like Spider-Man 2... Here... read this. http://www.moviehole.net/201022855-caffeinated-clint-my-spider-senses And am I the only person in this whole god-forsaken world that actually LIKED the first Hulk movie? Fine. To hell with you... ALL OF YOU.
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WOW This is big news. I don't like Tobey Maguire as spider-man anyway.
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You know what? As much as I like Sam Raimi, I still almost wanna rip his face off for continuously letting spidey take of the mask. That burns me so much how he always let us see McGuire's fug face. So while I think he can tell a good story, good riddace!!
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It's pretty bad when a single movie is horrible enough to reboot a franchise. Spider-man 1 was hailed as the new renaissance of superhero movies next to X-men 1. But oh no, the shit that was 3 outdoes all of the good of 1 and 2. I can see why, it's hard for me to rewatch the first two because memories of the third movie return. Oh the war wounds! It'd be awesome if they restart with Gwen Stacey... just sayin'.
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Oh come on people. This is a *good* thing. Spiderman 3 shit the bed, really. And Tobey is just plain OLD to be playing a college kid. This could end up being Ultimate Spiderman the movie (ie, the Bendis book), which quite frankly is excellent and wholey accessible. On top of that, why assume they'll show the origin story (spider bite) all over again? I'm sure they'll brush over it and jump straight into the story meat like Incredible Hulk did. It gives them a chance to show Spiderman properly for once - as a kid who uses wisecracking while fighting to cover up his fear/nerves and to throw his opponent off. Not some strange silent creepy dude. Heck, it even gives them a chance to reboot the Green Goblin (though I assume they won't bother) into something non-stupid looking. Spiderman 2 may have been a near perfect film, but if Spiderman 3 was any indication of the direction things were headed, I'm glad Raimi and co are done. Come on folks. This can be a good thing!
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Not totally gushing about the reboot, but if it has to happen, atleast we can get a good Mary Jane this time and not filthy under-arms looking Kirsten Dunst who embodies nothing about the original character....Toby McGuire grew on me, but it would be nice to actually get a wise-cracking emotionally charged spiderman this time since we've already seen wallflower McGuire's version...Not having Sam Raimi is the only true suckage here, but Sony burned him by making him put Sandman and Topher Venom in Spidey 3 which ruined it...
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Craptacular Spider-man 3 is correct (I actually thought Spider-man 2 was only okay because it seemed like it was the exact same story from the first movie again), but I don't think that they did anything so bad in the third movie that they couldn't fix it in the fourth, with new writers, cast, and director.
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What people here don´t realize is that Sony didn´t made the reboot move just because they wanted, but probably because the new script was sucking LIKE Spider man 3, so they fired Raimi and McGuire and Durnst left too.
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"Raimi/Tapert/McGuire never quite nailed Spidey's trademark banter... Actually, they totally fucking failed at it." Amen. Sam Raimi is retarded. All you saw in 3 is Raimi at it´s purest. He´s a Michael Bay. Fucking web without shooters my ass.
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Except Marvel doesn't own Spider-Man's movie rights. I wish they did, because they'd be able to integrate him into the Marvel Movie Universe, and they'd get his personality right for once. Raimi/Tapert/McGuire never quite nailed Spidey's trademark banter... Actually, they totally fucking failed at it. - The Raimi flicks were good, but they weren't spot-on accurate depictions of the character. They were Raimi's interpretation of the character, and his memory of the Spider-Man from his youth is flawed, at best. - I like Raimi, but he's starting to lose it, I think. Drag Me To Hell was bad and had obvious plot twists that were no surprise. Spider-Man 3 was a travesty. I think Sam should take a little break... Or go make Evil Dead 4. - If we're lucky, Disney will buy back the movie rights to Spider-Man AND the Fantastic Four.
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just had to repost this from the MALKOVICH/ Lively blog. adding : it could be worse , joel Schumacher could be directing the Revamp and we all know how well that turned out >__> ill say it again , ill miss the tech as well as designs for the WEBHEAD series . oc's arms and the goblin gloves (both) are amazing and the only reason for me to stick through the pain of S3: venom . i was hoping to see Raimi use the goblin's (either Norman or Harry) regenerative powers by having him bust out of his coffin after the credits . and atleast they god rid of sagging tits Dunst ^__^ JAG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ the CANCELLING AND EMO-REBOOTING of Spidey 4 ~I CALL IT the curse of a Skinny Venom~ in all honesty im feeling a litle part of me die , when i heard this because i was expecting Malkovich to fuck shit up as Vulture and basicly ass phuq Spidey like Heath's Joker did BATMAN :-) and i totally agree with kingsly :) he would have owned it . leaving a broken spider , plus in my book old Sam atleast respected the franchise to make us go "MAKE MINES MARVEL" happily . ill miss the goblin/ harry (all that tech) and the CHANCE that we all know OF HIM and his DAD busting out of that coffin ~which should have come in WEBHEAD 4 ~ and if they were going with it KRAVEN as Oded Fehr ( who wouldnt want to see him purr with that hot Accent again ) image if you dont know who i am talking about >> http://www.fight-tomorrow.net/galleries/photos/photos/The_Mummy_Returns/ArianeScans0287_OdedFehr_TheMummyReturns.jpg
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I don't necessarily see it is a reboot. It seems to me that they are making a movie about spidey while he was in high school. The first movie touched on high school briefly, but basically showed the fight scene with flash and graduation. Obviously, you cannot use Dunst, Maguire and Franco for a movie in 2011 as those actors are all 10 years older. I see a reboot as remaking the character timeline from some previous point or starting completely over. Marvel can easily fit this type of movie into the current spidey universe while tying it into avengers.
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Spider-Man 3 was actually pretty great. I count it as my 'favorite' of the films. Although Spider-Man 2 was the 'best' of the three.
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I think the bigger problem is that they look at each of these movies as a 'franchise' launcher. That level of greed pretty much wipes out any chance of having a good or interesting story. Dramatically, killing Batman and telling the story of Grayson stepping up is way more interesting than Batman versus psycho thug 3, but it will never happen cause some studio exec knows that the first story will make a few million less than the latter and that's the only thing that matters.
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Spider-Man 2 > The Dark Knight Yeah, I said it.
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I always thought that Spidey 1 and 2 were the best comic book movies ever released until Dark Knight hit. Yes Spidey 3 was a disappointment, but there were parts I liked such as the Sandman story and Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy (Rawr!) Some of the story elements were flipped around (MJ basically being Gwen Stacy, and vice versa) but the franchise wasn't really broken. It just needed a solid fourth installment. A reboot is just a slap in the face. Especially with them talking about making it "Gritty and Dark like the Batman Begins reboot". Idiots. Spider-Man is not a Dark and Gritty character like Batman. Why do they always have to turn it "Dark and gritty" to suddenly make it cool? Spider-man's costume is pretty much the opposite of dark and gritty, and it certainly doesn't fit the persona of a guy who jokes and banters with his villains. I personally don't see how they could retell these stories better than they already have. It could be more accurate to the comics (i.e. web-shooters, Gwen Stacy dies, MJ is actually super-model hotness, etc) but I thought they nailed the overall essence of the comics, at least in the first two. I'm not sure what they're trying to top, or why they think a reboot will change anything. A recast and new director is one thing, but another origin movie and new versions of the characters that appeared on screen a few years ago is completely unnecessary.
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Well, he avoided it for years.
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Disclaimer: Not that short is a bad thing, guys. I don't want to emasculate any of the fine gentlemen on this site. It's just that Spider-man seemed a lot more imposing in the TV show and in the few comics I read in those days. I was underwhelmed.
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Yes! I agree completely. I always thought Tobey Maguire was a crap Peter Parker/Spider-man. After watching the '90s run of the cartoon through much of my childhood, I was a little miffed with the casting. Surely someone as short and unattractive as Tobey Maguire wouldn't be cast as the sexy/nerdy Peter Parker? Surely that whiny voice wouldn't plague us for 3 films? Alas, my hopes of a non-animated Spider-man crush were dashed. Bring on the reboot I say!
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A Reboot, huh? How about I reboot the suits faces?
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Too bad Sony won't let it happen...
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Tobey Maguire wasn't a good Spider-Man. He was dry, dull, and boring. Spider-Man needs to be full of energy and excitement. I fully support this decision if they get an actor that can embrace Spidey. And for god sake no dance scenes!
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Or at least someone who is hot!
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This is what happens when Hollywood throws a temper tantrum. Raimi forced the studio to delay production because they handed him a terrible script. He refused to let them "Spider-Man 3" him again (that's right, it's a verb now). So how do they respond? They take him off of the project and declare the continuity he had created null and void. Scorched earth negotiation.
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Spidey IS an Avenger...true to the comics.
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Spider-Man is one of my favorite heros ever since I was little, I'm really excited to for this reboot! I hated all the spider man films! The first one was sooooo below my expectations, I gave the second one a chance but they didn't even bother to give Doc Ock an accent!!! with that I lost faith and said to hell with the third one. I love Sam Raimi but the cast and acting in those movies suck uncountable amounts of balls! I say bring the reboot! Maybe they'll cast an actual red head as Mary Jane!
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In college when I would reboot my term papers,they called it plagiarism and or just plain cheating for not coming up with new ideas. Hollywood, you shit your pants again. Farts do not have lumps.
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Just tossing this out there because I haven't see it mentioned, but the article on the reboot specifically says that they are taking Spider-man back to HIGH SCHOOL. It does not say whether or not he will sparkle. IMO, this isn't Star Trek where the "origin story" for the classic characters had never been told or "Hulk" where the first movie was awful. Everyone saw Spider-Man's origin already so who really wants to see the same thing over again, only the emo version with Rob Pattinson?
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The one positive thing I could see come out of this is that the new Spidey could be tied into the Iron-Man/Avengers Universe, perhaps helping out the Avengers but not joining them, true to the comics.
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LOL
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For the record, I could see a lot of goodwill coming from Maggie Smith playing Aunt May. ...and why the hell am I capitalizing "Aunt"?
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I agree that even with the visible-from-space flaming train wreck that was Spidey 3, a reboot seems like overkill, a corporate knee-jerk reaction to a screw up. Someone mentioned a "grim and gritty" twist to the story, which is not good news. I get the feeling they're trying to make Spiderman more of an adult franchise, ala the shift in Batman. It worked there, where Batman was at his best when his cheese was half off his cracker, but in Spiderman it sounds like a very forced fit.
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The sad fact is that we're going to be seeing reboot after reboot after reboot of Spider-Man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four because Sony, Fox, etc., has the rights in perpetuity. As long as they keep pumping out films, no matter how shitty, they keep the characters from being used by the Disney-backed Marvel Studios.
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My thoughts exactly, last thing we need is going through that spider bite shit again.
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When Mephisto reset the Batman franchise noone complained... Must be the nature of demonic reboots. Side note though that the speed of reboots is getting faster all the time. One day the reboot will come out before the original and thus shall we break lightspeed.
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Word.
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I've never been a big fan of Tobey in the role. He's just a little too gentle and never pulled off the wise-cracking Spidey. But all we need is a new person in the role, not an entire reboot.
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at least the only benifit is the franchise will not wind up run into the ground by sequals galore the bad part. is sam will no longer get to tell any more of spider mans story including maybe the fans finaly seeing the lizzard at least sam got smart enough to say enough is enough no more plus this plan proves Disney should really start considering taking back the rights .
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Spidey 3 may not have left a clear path for a sequel, but it didn't write them into a corner, either. There's no reason not to just continue with a new storyline.
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ZOMG you guys! I just had this horrible dream! Spider-Man got rebooted with Daniel Radcliffe as Peter Plunker, Emma Watson was Jean Grey, Rupert Grint was Wolverine and Maggie Smith was Aunt May. Alan Rickman was The Green Octopus and Stan Lee was also Aunt May. It was horrible.
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Why reboot Spider-man? It must of been the script or the fact the villains are lame. I think that the Lizard would have been cool for a 4th movie. Much more than the Vulture. Now don't hate me, but my knowledge of Spider-man is limited to Spider-man and His Amazing Friends and the 1990s Fox cartoons. I've never been impressed with most of Spider-man's villains, but to me the coolest ones were the evil/misunderstood scientists like Green Goblin, Doc Octopus, or the Lizard. The ones I hated were just random thugs or elementals like Sandman, Hydroman, Electro, Rhino, Chameleon, Carnage, Hobgoblin, Hammerhead, Scorpion, or Shocker. I mean those guys worked well as thugs or underlings of the real masterminds. Fringe guys were characters like Mysterio, Vulture, or Kraven who could be cool, but just don't work right outside of comic books. Mysterio never seemed that threatening and the Vulture is just an old dude with wings. Kraven the hunter is cool so long as he doesn't look like a freaky steroid Freddy Mercury guy in animal skins. As for Venom? I think most heroes have to have the obligatory opposite guy. Venom is cool in that way like Vegeta is to Goku, but not humorous as Bizzaro is to Superman.
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Please don't let Shia LaBeouf play Spider-man, I will be eternally let down. Raimi needs to go back to working on a new Evil Dead installment, methinks.
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I don't quite believe they're doing a reboot yet. It might just be talk at this point. Get rid of Raimi and Maguire, and PLEASE GOD Dunst, sure, but I don't know if totally starting over is the best idea in terms of losing the thread they spent the last decade weaving into the cultural fabric. BUT it's certainly a basic enough story and premise that doing it again wouldn't be terrible. And maybe this time they can do away with the false-feeling hokiness of the first movie and the blatant silliness of all three so far. Something leaner, deeper, cooler, and more fun. Because let's face it--do we like them because they're good movies, or do we like them because they're Spider-Man movies?
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Word is they're also gonna go "grim and gritty" with things...because, you know, Spider-Man was always best when he was a brooding jackass that nobody liked. Honestly this bugs me not one bit...because trying to continue off the non-story that was Spider-Man 3 is key. Spider-Man 4 would most likely have ended up being the new Superman 4 or Batman & Robin.
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Reboots are lame, but it was kind of needed after the craptacular mess that was spider man 3. Spidey 1 and 2 were great movies, but spidey 3 was such a huge trainwreck it still makes my head threaten to explode just thinking about it. My suggestion would just be to abandon the spidey franchise altogether.
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Yeah, maybe I'm just old-fashioned. But in my view, you don't jab the "reset" button, pull out the cartridge, and blow on the circuits unless the game actually <i>stops working</i>. And I mean <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_&_Robin_%28film%29">"starts displaying garbage characters and hex code</A>" not working. I mean, this is getting like if they completely rebooted the Star Trek franchise after the <i>first</i> movie. Throwing things away while they CAN be salvaged is as bad as running them completely into the ground to make a quick penny.
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The reboot of the Hulk was done in part so it could fit into the upcoming Avengers film, and appear to happen in the same continuity as Iron Man. And it really wasn't much of a reboot, as a slight ret-con and sequel of the first film. While the three Spider-Man movies (as well as the two Fantastic Four films) don't in any way conflict with the Iron Man continuity, there's also no tie-in. I think Marvel is wanting to make a single "Marvel Universe" of films. That might actually end up being a cool thing in the long run.
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I definitely agree that they should just re-cast but leave the current story in place. All we need is a less stalker/creepy Peter and a less crackhead looking MJ and we're in business with a sequel. It is almost exhausting to think of sitting through another Spider-man movie that sets up the origin when we're already three movies in. Sure SM3 sucked, but just do a better job with the fouth.
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I'm all for this. Maybe they can cast an actor who can actually pull off Spidey's wisecracks and keep his mask on for most of the third act.
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The Hulk did under perform but why reboot? The movie had an impressive cast and the ending set it up for potential action in the sequel. Same with Superman Returns - which I think is the perfect third movie in a trilogy starting with Donner - the next film would have an established cast with which to continue. By rebooting all you do is have to set up the characters again which bogs the film down and makes it fail. Rebooting is the equivalent of losing at Battleships and throwing the game against the wall so you must restart. Pathetic.
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I can't say I'm surprised. Spider-Man 3 sucked on toast and just generally left the series without any clear way to continue. What bugs me is that they couldn't wait at least a little bit longer before they started the whole thing. Spidey's popularity among the fans has survived worse things than a time gap between movies (we all know which ones), and the kiddies probably wouldn't mind. This whole thing just feels unnecessary and pointless.
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All I can say is that Kurt Russell better play Peter Parker in the reboot.
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Rebooting a franchise is helpful in some situations, but it's obviously becoming overused and is more of a popular buzzword than anything. Because some franchises have successfully been rebooted, movie studios are assuming "reboot" means financial success, even if it doesn't make any other sense. Case in point: Spider-Man DOES NOT NEED A REBOOT. There were three movies, all recent, and they did a good a job as anyone can of setting of Spidey's universe properly. There's not really much else you can do that wouldn't be a retread or just way off base. This is a situation where they just need to recast and continue.
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I am very excited for the re-boot
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I could see doing a "reboot" with Hulk because of the under-performance of the first Hulk film. But the Spider-Man series were very successful with record breaking box office takes! Even the third film, which was critically panned, was a financial success. On the other hand, look at the Superman films. They probably should have rebooted after Superman 2 (even though Christopher Reeve will always be Superman in my eyes). I'm of two minds about it, I suppose. I mean, That franchise is not even 10 years old and it is getting a reboot treatment?
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There's too much reboot going on. It's pathetic when a major movie studio wants to fuck you out of all the money you've invested in a series and it's characters. I liked The Hulk for it's character driven storyline and within no time at all The Incredible Hulk comes out with just CGI fighting and chase scenes. Ghost Rider didn't work? Reboot. Daredevil flopped? Reboot. Superman on the skids? Reboot. The only time a film franchise was stripped of it's emotion and worked was X-Men 2 and I hated X-Men 2! Stupid car explosions and CGI naffness. I could care less about Spider-Man but I liked the films because Raimi was attached and knew he could spin a good yarn. Pray he doesn't jump on another franchise and instead starts making films he has investment in like Drag Me To Hell or, please please, Evil Dead 4. Grow a fucking soul Hollywood.
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As Much as I don't like the idea of rebooting somewhat new franchises, I can't disagree with this. Spider-Man: The Musical (AKA Spider-Man 3) was a friggin mess. There were some ok parts put what they did with Venom and the fact that Harry became "The New Goblin" (really? Did that really happen?) killed it for me. Think of the reboot as Ultimate Spider-Man, if only we could be so lucky.
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Well this is a big F you in the morning. Who thinks the reboot will be worth it
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There's too much reboot going on. It's pathetic when a major movie studio wants to fuck you out of all the money you've invested in a series and it's characters. I liked The Hulk for it's character driven storyline and within no time at all The Incredible Hulk comes out with just CGI fighting and chase scenes. Ghost Rider didn't work? Reboot. Daredevil flopped? Reboot. Superman on the skids? Reboot. The only time a film franchise was stripped of it's emotion and worked was X-Men 2 and I hated X-Men 2! Stupid car explosions and CGI naffness. I could care less about Spider-Man but I liked the films because Raimi was attached and knew he could spin a good yarn. Pray he doesn't jump on another franchise and instead starts making films he has investment in like Drag Me To Hell or, please please, Evil Dead 4. Grow a fucking soul Hollywood.
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