• Totally with you on this. I think Goyer has been very fortunate with some of his collaborators. Of course, assigning praise and blame for any given script can be slippery without side by side draft comparisons, but you're totally on the money with the "story by" vs "written by" credits in TDK. Also, the two things I've seen which I can absolutely lay at Goyer's feet, The Unborn and Blade: Trinity (both written and directed by Goyer) were less than impressive. On a side note, maybe it's just me, but the last thing I want to see is a "gritty" Superman movie and that seems to me to be the kind of tone you get from Goyer. Gritty works for Batman because it speaks to the core of the character. But not for the Big Blue Boy Scout. To me, he's at his best when he's facing some kind of immense and seemingly unstoppable foe that is 100% unambiguously evil. And he digs deep (probably after having his powers wiped out or diminished) and still finds a way to punch the crap out of the villain. Good wins. Everybody cheers and walks out with a smile.

• No comic book movies make sense, and none ever will. They ARE comic book movies after all.

• yup! and with the influx of zombie fame of yesteryear, this is practically a shoe-in! c'mon, WB, take the hint!!

• I personally prefer the green armor, but still, Bizarro is for all intents and purposes a zombie Superman. Who wouldn't want to see Superman fighting a zombie version of himself?

• ...and don't read any of the awful Superman comics from the past year. They'll kill your motivation for making any sort of movie about these characters. God, what a disaster.

• because we expected superman to KICK. SOME. ASS!! not getting sucker-punched by a baldie he would have otherwise tossed off into the sun with ease! in his defense, tho, a certain purple suit of armor would DEFINITELY change my mind about luthor appearing in the sequel, er i mean, reboot. XD

• ...no, but there will be a scene with jimmy olsen and several cryptophalids....

• you do understand i meant a big-screen premiere version instead of a direct-to-video animated deal, don't you Geoff? >:3

• hey goyer, if you're listening... don't do an origin story or reclone the original. it was done, and it was a great movie. i know there is a small percentage of people out there who've never seen superman, just as they've never seen starwars or star trek. they're out there; statistically they have to exist. for the rest of us who have seen it, we don't need to see lex luthor contrive another land scheme, sink another portion of the u.s., or debilitate superman with green kryptonite, again. not because it would be patently absurd to plagiarize the same movie twice and not because it's dishonest and lazy, but because it would become the most boring superhero movie around, and that's no way to treat the first superhero. on the other hand you could go the other way and twist superman into something even the most casual movie-going fan has to strain to recognize, as was done with transformers... if you want to plagiarize one of the thousands(?) of superman stories out there, go for it. if you want to tweak his powers a little--make him more vulnerable, sure. if you want to make his personality a little stranger than usual(he's alien after all), why not? just don't make it so damn boring. have fun with it. don't mind the bean counter and fanatics, and don't believe superman is too iconic to do anything new with, no hero worship.

• I was excited to read that they were using a cross between the Golden Age and Fleischer Superman. Then I found out that they are also doing Byrne's Superman. Now when things go wrong, Superman can go home to mommy and daddy.

• Because, as you know, spiders are the fiercest predators in the insect kingdom...

• given that Dc is on a deadline to get anew super man film made. and given Goyer touch with making comic characters not really suck on the big screen should be interesting to see what he does to old blue.though this proably means his green arrow in prison film super max now will either get pushed back or be declared dead once and for all.

• Yeah, that Dark Knight movie was just a complete disaster. :P

• Not excited in the least. I just want to let Clark rest until they're ready for a Justice League movie. Tired of seeing the same Lois drama and the same bullshit with Lex. Also, working off of the previous movie is just a BAD idea all around.

• Why all the Luthor-hate? As long as he's done as well as Kevin Spacey did him I'm all for it. But adding Bizarro would be a neat move. A degenerating zombie/clone with superpowers is perfect for this kind of a movie.

• No more Lex Luthor!

• OH THANKS GOODNESS because you know there just haven't been enough Superman movies with LEX LUTHOR in them! Geez ENOUGH Already!!!!!!!!!!

• I'd like to see an original story but this man is a great writer and I'm a big fan of superman so I'm sure I'm gonna enjoy it.

• Even if it were true, I wouldn't be incredibly excited about it. Goyer can be pretty hit (<i>Blade</i>, <i>Blade II</i>) or miss (<i>Blade: Trinity</i>, <i>The Crow: City of Angels</i>, <i>The Unborn</i>), and his best stuff (<i>Dark City</i>, <i>Batman Begins</i>, <i>The Dark Knight</i>) has been written in collaboration with others. Also, he only received a story credit on <i>The Dark Knight</i>, so that would imply that he wasn't responsible for nearly as much of it as the Nolans. Given that this is a huge budget studio feature, however, I imagine there's no way that, were he to get the gig, he'd be the only writer on it. At some point, other writers will come in to do either a full rewrite or some uncredited script doctoring. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Nolans themselves take a whack at it.)

• Didn't Harry Knowles debunk the rumor like, yesterday ? http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44074 (The title is misleading : check the first paragraph added later by Harry.)

• SUPES VS WONDER WOMAN! I really don't care if they make another one. I enjoyed the new justice League anime. Comics to cartoons = :)..comics to real live movies = recipe for disaster.

• Making sense goes out the window when you are doing a Superman movie, or a movie with superheroes. I mean, if the Batman movies were flawed, they were still the best superhero movies, arguably. As long as it's a good Superman movie story, by its standards.

• But that can be said about so many movies, no script is perfect.

• Superman needs to fight Darkseid or Mongul. Lex Luthor, again!?

• Please, don't go there......

• Um... they did that. It's called Superman / Doomsday.

• Yeah, but will Supes fight a giant spider in the third act?!?

• Except the scripts for both Batman movies had some major flaws. Don't get me wrong, they were good, but making sense is more important than great character moments.

• I wish they would simply keep the same continuity, just balance the human drama and action better. This seems like a cop-out on Warner's part, but at least we're getting a new Superman movie. And maybe this'll give DC an excuse to make their awful Superman comics good again. They've been sucking pretty badly for the past year or so.

• ugh... more Luthor? Can't they make a Superman movie without Luthor? How about Brainiac by himself? How about Darkseid? Mxylptlk! I would love to see Mxylptlk! Anyone but Luthor! Why are the only villains in the entire universe that Superman manages to get out of bed to deal with Luthor and Richard Pryor?

• meh. not getting a nerdgasm out of me until somebody decided to both "Death of Superman" and "Return of Superman" (not to be confused with "Superman Returns" sucktasticness!). we need a reboot of Steel since Shaq fucks it up, and what better way to sweeten the deal with three more super-knockoffs? X3

• I dunno, I mean I love Batman Bgins and TDK, but most of their problems came from the writing, and most of their pluses from the directing and acting, or at least that's the impression I get. Still, if Supe's can get a great director then hopefully it'll all work out.

• I have full faith in the man who understood the Joker well enough to write the "disappearing pencil" trick into "The Dark Knight" to turn in a great script for just about any comic book title. What the producers and directors do with it is another story entirely. The fact that Nolan has a consulting role on the flick will possibly minimize the number of harmful revisions made to the script. Goyer has written two huge hits for Nolan and the latter will hopefully urge the rest of the Supes team to trust the former.

• Predictable, safe, good choice. In other words - who killed the regular WB execs and replaced them with new ones? Most importantly, Goyer may be a Hollywood guy, but he's a Hollywood guy who won't be a slave to the trends in movies for their own sake (coughJJABRAMScough) and turn in a horrible script as a result. Which is good, as I think everyone was scared when that WB crony said they wanted their next Superman movie to be like The Dark Knight. My sole early prediction - it'll be designed as a 3D movie from the ground up.

• But what about all that "gritty reboot" crap that Hollywood has clogged in its pipes right now?

• Not an origin story? But...but...but...how will everybody watching know who he is? I mean, the five previous movies, "Smallville" and "Lois and Clark" don't count, of course... Thank fucking Christ. Maybe, just maybe, it won't suck.

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