• This guy is out of his F-ing mind. I do hope the Navi come down just to kill him.

• Dear M. Robot, I just wrote something called THE IDEOLOGY OF AVATAR, which is right in line with your conclusions. Send me your e-mail address and I'll send you a file. Sincerely, Charles Upton

• Dear Mr. Robot, I just wrote something called

• It takes little more than watching a few more clips of Mark Driscoll to understand that he's bold and unapologetic concerning his beliefs. I am a Christian, and in fact, have watched several of his sermons, amongst many, many other pastors. Interestingly enough, despite the "Mars Hill Church" connection to Rob Bell, Driscoll openly denounces much of Bell's modernized, "revolutionized", "Velvet-Elvis" Christianity. If you think he is saying that Cameron was demon-possessed while making Avatar, you are sadly mistaken. And yes, there are many, many other movies that have "Satan" in them: Please, keep listing them. The entire rationale for making an example out of Avatar is due to it's ability to slide another crappy, recycled, godless plot by millions because it comes with 3D glasses. The plot is a sloppy mixture of Return of the Jedi, Star Wars, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, the Matrix, and even a little Top Gun. Native blue person guide teaching white man about spirituality in the forest? Please. I'm sure Oprah's book club was pushing "The Secret" long before Jake Sully ended up with the Na'vi. Reconnecting with the forest, finding the answers within, etc., etc. It's all been said before, and it is a very paganistic idea. Sin permeates through subtlety, and Avatar is a prime example. These are re-used anti-God undercurrents that shot to the top of the charts because they were buried under millions of dollars of eye-candy. THAT is his point. He's trying to explain that Satanic things are not ugly, repulsive, and vulgar, nor do they always involve some kid killing your cat in the woods. The more beautiful, and easy to swallow these things become, the more difficult it becomes to discern them from what is good and true. THAT is why this seemingly crazy preacher guy in hipster clothing is so fired up.

• This proves that Pentecostals want to live in a world full of devils and demons even more than Twilight fans wanna live in a world of vampires and werewolves.

• It's people like this that make me reluctant to admit to being Christian, ugh. What an arrogant moron. I have some religious relatives who BURNED THEIR POKEMON CARDS after they read some ridiculous article online about how it was a "gateway game to more satanic games like D&D, and Wizards of the Coast is a 100% evil company, etc." UGH. Also, I seriously hate the notion that Christianity is separate from an appreciation for nature and science. Illogical as usual. I've seen a facebook group called "Christianity is not intellectual suicide," but even though I KNOW that is technically true, it's hard to take the members seriously at all simply because they felt the need to join it. What does that say about me? Oh, and, I keep wondering: Am I the ONLY nerd who loved Avatar? =/

• I can't watch this video at work (thanks Uncle Sam!), but if he's from Mars Hill then he's most definitely a whack-job. Rob Bell and the Mars Hill lot have perverted a lot of things about Christianity. As an Evangelical Christian I think Rob Bell and his ilk are the real wolves in sheeps clothing. That being said, I have to say that I love the commenters that talk about leaving "organized religion" based on their experiences as children. So, let me get this straight: as a child you made an intellectual decision about all sprituality based not on the content of the source (the Bible) but rather on the behavior of the imperfect people that practiced it? Check. You'll excuse me if I don't take you seriously. Now if someone on here wants to say they were a Christian into their late 20's or 30's and then decided to leave the flock, I might listen to what you have to say. But I doubt there's very many people on this site (or anywhere for that matter) like that.

• What planet are you from? From the work of the North American Mission Board, to Compassion International, to Samaritan's purse (really the list goes on and on) one could argue that as a stereotypified group Christians are some of the most caring people on the planet. What I love is that you dismiss Christians (whom I assume you disagree with) for being dismissive of people who disagree with them. Now THAT'S ironic!

• In fact, J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis were fast friends and Tolkein was a devout Catholic.

• Seriously! And who was ranting against a culture that advocates consumerism??

• How appropriate! I just got done watching "Reverend Nut Job" over at That Guy With the Glasses. Nut Job is at least enthusiastic & positive. I grew up going to church, and his rhetoric sounds a lot like contemporary Christian pastors, but the content of his sermon is ridiculous. He is way more interested in the devil than God or Jesus and way too into talking about himself, the public's opinion of himself, and his own pet Christian movie projects. I think he's just bitter that a movie like Avatar can have so much commercial success, while his movies are doomed to mediocre sales at the Berean Bible Bookstore.

• All I have to contribute to this is; herp.

• "Of course, the Christians don't care about the environment, because the Rapture is coming soon, and the environment won't be their problem at that point." - The Angriest Atheist. And today is the first time I realized I was an atheist too. Thanks, Avatar-hating dude.

• Dora the Explorer IS evil. I makes me want to self-immolate but I shouldn't do that in front of my kids.

• avatar is NOT pagan, its James Cameron, besides the moral of the story is not love Lucifer, its take care of your earth, take care of the world we live in, the world are children live in. im pretty sure god said we were supposed to, but this brow beater apparently can't see this because of his blind hate. our world is being destroyed by toxins and over kill of trees, which by the way we need to breathe. im pretty sure James Cameron is not going to get struck down by god for making a movie that relays that message, and besides its not like the characters dancing around a fire shouting Satan rules, that would be bad... this guy needs to think about the words coming out of his mouth, and quit throwing stones

• Every time someone tells me I'm going to hell for being Pagan I tell them that I don't believe in Hell, so I'm covered.

• Wow... I thought Avatar's plot was shallow, the characters were one-dimensional (except Sigourney Weaver), and the racial guilt/enviornmental message was a little over the top... but satanic? No.

• After reading your post I kind of hope the world ends in 2012 because I'm sure I wont be able to handle that much Avatar...

• Out of all the comments yours nailed it!

• Of COURSE James Cameron is an agent of Satan. How else do you think he managed to make the two top grossing movies of all time, but still lose to his ex for, "Best Director?" Deals with the devil NEVER work out for anyone!

• Oh, I get it! This guy's a bastard. Avatar makes more sense now!

• There was no Devil or demons in Legion. It was all angels. Even the f-ed up ice cream man.

• Thanks for ruining the movie for me, douche bag.

• No shit. And I still can't sit through the whole thing without watching my brain ooze out of my sockets. And I grew up with parents who wouldn't let me watch Pocahontas because it hated America. I'll repeat that: I had parents who thought Pocahontas, the movie, actively hated America. And THIS is the stupid that makes my eyeballs melt. Can they at least pick New Moon? I mean, the series has CHEST BUSTING DEMON SPAWN. (Okay, womb busting. Same difference) Please?

• Where's Captain Retard when you need him......

• This thread needs more LARPing. http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/02/portrait_of_the_navi_people_of_hometree_wisconsin.php

• Is this guy for real?! Someone needs to teach him that paganism ≠ satanism.... I know some people who go a a Mars Hill church...and they are no where near as ignorant and idiotic as this guy....

• I try not to be a smug Atheist (as that's fucking annoying), but I've got to admit, it's nice not having to go through life being afraid the boogeyman is lurking in every shadow.

• Out of everything written here, this probably made me laugh the most. Well done, sir.

• Sure Avatar has a shitty cardboard theology, but was it satanic or evil? Naw. Just retardedly simple and once sided. Though I will second Cameron working for the devil by teasing and denying us an Alita movie over and over.

• Frankly, this doesn't surprise me. These kinda people will take whatever is popular and twist it until it fits their doctrine. In other news-if Cameron touches Battle Angel Alita, my atheist ass will conjure up my atheist devil to eat his heart. DON'T GO NEAR ALITA!!! You'll ruin it! There's no way you could not!

• Actually, yes. They're coming out movie centering on sections of Genesis. The messageboards I've read for them are rife with bible-thumpers saying how this will be the answer to all the liberal hedonism and that hopefully it wil bring a tide of pure, Christian cinema or some such none-sense. I would pay to see their reactions to all the God-sanctioned sex, nudity, violence, debatchery, and other activities they conveniently forget are in the bible because they offend modern sensibilities. And yes, the movie is in 3-D. Eve's nipples will be poking you in the eye

• Ditto. I was really hoping to see a Battle Angel Alita movie after Avatar, but my dreams were crushed when James Cameron was putting it off until after Avatar 2. WAY TO PUT ****ING SALT ON THE WOUND, ROB!

• I'm just glad I still haven't seen Avatar....

• Indeed. Makes me sick to my stomach. Christians aren't often known for caring about other peoples who don't agree with them. How very unlike Jesus. I love the irony of it all.

• Indeed. Makes me sick to my stomach. Christians aren't often known for caring about other peoples who don't agree with them. How very unlike Jesus. I love the irony of it all.

• For the record, satanist actually do use pentagrams. It's the symbol seen right on the front of the satanic bible and it's mentioned in rituals in the book.

• makes me glad to be an atheist lol

• At 3:14 in the video he says, "...this is all Eastern garbage-ism....." Wow..... way to be insulting to a large section of the world.

• If I were a woman, I would gladly bear your children. As a fellow Christian/movie lover/cynic whose sister sleeps on the couch three nights a week with God-bothering programs on the box, I only got thirty-eight seconds through that guy's sermon before I said, "Screw it." I've heard this noise before about other "Satanic" movies (Life of Brian, for instance). As to Avatar itself, I pretty much enjoyed the parts of it that didn't involve Cameron's refried magic mushroom philosophy (which sadly got fewer and far between as it shuffled on). Now if you want a really Satanic movie, try The Passion of the Christ...for the torture porn papist in you.

• can that rapture not hurry up and get here so we can be rid of these imbeciles?

• That is an argument won so epically...

• Just after Christmas I heard that there was a lot of people thinking the same way in Poland. And they are major league christians there. Pope and all, you know (bus seriously, in Varshuva and Wroclaw there are so many churches and cathedrals and stuff about Pope). So they were saying the same stuff back then. But this guy sort of forgot, that Avatar came out on Christmas, that sure was only for distracting true believers from their prayers on such a holly time...

• Word. Damn you Rob for bringing Battle Angel up....I had successfully forgotten/repressed.

• And lest we forgot: TWO HOME THEATER SETUPS and THREE TIVOS!!!

• Funny how he warns how being a consumer instead of being generous is bad, yet that's a really nice outfit he has on. So, how many people did you pray for to get that shirt?

• Apparently, this guy missed this artistic creation: http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz49705cc9-550x283.jpg

• *sigh* The worst part about <i>Avatar</i> isn't Satan, or suicide, or even inane stupidity. The worst part about Avatar is <i>The Matrix</i>. What is Avatar? It's a sci-fi(syfy?) blockbuster, with a barely comprehensible yet amazingly derivative plot, and completely mediocre acting backed up by decent action and new effects technology that pushes the craft of cinematography forward in new and exciting ways. The last movie that met all of those criteria was The Matrix. And when Hollywood is exposed to a new method of moviemaking, do they use it to provide amazing new movie experiences? Nope, they just make the same damn movie over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. So we had ten years of Matrix knock-offs, and now we have Avatar. So next year, we'll be getting more Avatar. And in 2012 we'll have a summer movie season filled with Avatar. And if we're extremely unlucky and the world doesn't end, 2013 will have some Avatar. And just to change things up, they'll make a few Avatars for 2014. ... And the public will <i>eat it up</i>. Because Avatar is the greatest movie ever made. And since it is difficult to accept that a kind and loving God would allow such evil upon His creation, we must conclude that Avatar is the work of the Devil. And that's why Avatar promotes Satanism.

• how long until Kirk Cameron gets involved: Cameron Vs Cameron ... Round 1 ... FIGHT!

• I agree, the day the human race is done with religion is the day people like this will be instantly recognized as imbeciles. I love my fellow atheists.

• I'm going to have to watch that later. Good find though.

• This is the same logic that said that Poke'mon was teaching kids to summon demons or that the lightning scar on Harry Potter's forehead was a secret reference to the Nazi SS. I wonder what it's like to be in the mindset of someone who is clearly brutally insane.

• If Avatar is the most demonic movie ever made, this guy hasn't seen many movies.

• I have several friends that go to this guys church and my mother in law listens to his sermons on-line.... pity me.

• BTW - do any christian movies come in 3D imaging and surround sound? Because I'd love to watch some christian get attacked by lions and ripped to shreds in 3D! Just imagine a limb being thrown in the camera's direction.

• Gee, wonder what he would say about The Force, the Darkside and all of Star Wars?!

• So wait - Love God...hate His Creation? What a load of crap.

• Here's proof Bayformers is satanic from the wise and merciful Christians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwg077rPZ1A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLiahul_3E&feature=related brought to you in part by: A goodfight ministries production by Pastor Joe Schimmel

• PAGANISM has NOTHING to do with EVIL OR SATAN! satanists believe in christianity not paganism

• My ex-boyfriend's church pastor once claimed that the Lord of the Rings books and films were leading the youth of the town down the wrong path with its wizardry and talk of overthrowing "Lords", ending his sermon with, "There's only one Lord and he doesn't need no stinkin' rings" A bunch of the nerdy congregation went up to the pastor after the service to ask him what the hell he was on and if he had actually read the books (surprise: he hadn't).

• Oh fuck. Until about half way in I still assumed this to be satire. What is the world coming to? I know Avatar is bad, but come on.

• Thank you, I forgot that part. He is a royal jerkstore and has been for years.

• While you can view <I>Dune</I> as an allegory of the U.S. being brought low by foreign natives who tire of the "Evil Empire" interfering in their lives and nation and leeching off of their natural resources, my former pastor's view of it as the "Antichrist Triumphing Over The Blessed U.S.A." is a bit of a stretch. . He either failed to see or overlooked the fact that the Emperor (what he viewed to represent the U.S.) wasn't a morally righteous soul that sought to vanquish the Scion of Satan. He was a scheming old man that conspired with the most decidedly amoral and nefarious Harkonnens to betray and murder the Atriedes, at the behest of the Spacing Guild, that feared losing Arakkis to Maud'ib and his Fremen. . It wasn't nearly as clear cut as the good pastor would like to think it was (but then again, neither were real-world politics).

• Agreed, actually, but it caused just as much controversy. Maybe more, since AVATAR has not inspired any History Channel documentaries. Either way, are they worth the effort?

• Your atheist friend won that arguement hands down

• Oh Mark Driscoll.... that's who that is. I said this before but I'm a Christian and he makes us all look bad, please don't take anything he says as a reflection of Christians that aren't insane, self serving, sexist, ridiculously traditional and perverting god's intending message to sell books or pimp their mega churches.

• Of course James Cameron made a deal with the devil. How else do you think the thing made 2 billion dollars? Yes I'm kidding.

• Don't hate religion, hate the morons that twist God's intent for their own purpose. People were pissed about the book series stated by the Golden Compass , because in it the characters seek to kill God, but turns out what they kill is someone pretending to be God/carrying out his will but instead perverted God's will to fit what he/she wanted.

• I lived in the heart of texas where everyday at 10:05 we had a daily prayer over the intercom in PUBLIC school until it was banned (and boy did that raise the whole free speech thing in my school) then it became a "moment of silence" I had methodists harping on baptists and catholics bashing lutherans and the evangelists going after whoever they could. I got used to this kind of ranting and raving. I was made spectacle of for reading stephen king and playing D&D and generally being my nerdy self. I am as I call it Henrinostic, I believe what I believe and fuck you if you don't like it. I used to fuel the fighting between creationists and evolutionists by jumping back and forth, it was fun. But this dude is a whackjob. He has the Tivos and home theater systems in order to "properly study" the effects of cinemax after dark on the youth of america. I say write him off as another crazy.

• I'm a Christian and if my eyes and ears don't deceive me that man in the video is Mark Driscoll, head of Mars Hill Church. He's EXTREMELY fundamental and a total sexist meat head. A lot of Christians can't stand the guy because at times he gives us all a bad name....this is one of those times.

• You know, in a weird way, that's pretty awesome. I'm going to have to watch Dune again, with all that in mind. That takes a different kind of thinking than I have, or can really understand. Wow.

• Speaking as someone raised in this Christian school dichotomy, you have to realize that everything in the world is ONLY Christian (in a major Protestant denomination sense) OR of the devil, and that includes Satanists, Pagans, environmentalists, Buddhists, Hindus, secular humanists, science, etc...and to an extent even other Christian denominations. Because they're not the SPECIFIC message being preached they are all grouped under the umbrella of false prophets, who are all of the devil. Not every Christian group teaches this. But enough do. And I certainly saw enough of it for the better part of two decades. So yes to all your examples, by the way. Pokemon and Harry Potter are also evil. So is Lord of the Rings, somehow, even though Tolkein and CS Lewis were Jesus buddies. Theoden not killing Grima is an example of liberalism, etc. Sigh.

• Hey this guy has THREE TiVO's. And TWO home theater systems... He must know what he's talking about.

• Any movie with the very awkward scene of two blue CG cat people having sex (one of them really a human, so we're getting close to bestiality) that you can watch in amazing 3D must be of the devil. Maybe he is responding to all the morons who want to kill themselves so that they can get to Pandora, because those confused souls really need some help. Otherwise, this is pretty funny, and he has gone a bit overboard on his analysis of a movie that nobody should take seriously.

• and no doubt he has 2 home movie setups and 3 tivos just so he can gape at Lucy Lawless' body double's tits in high definition whilst he tries to cast the devil out of himself by wanking himself blind.

• It's hard to get angry at this, so it's worthy of being dismissed. A good chunk of Christians would see this as malarkey and I think it's two star rating on the vid is indicative of that. Fundie (whether he admits it or not) attacks on beloved items in pop culture is an old and weak beacon that just doesn't fly anymore. There are a lot more evils in the world people like him ignore, so it's easier to get attention lambasting things that people flock to for escapism to get a rise out of the masses. For a better nerd Avatar story... what the hell is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9Fod9KigU I think it's a viral ad via WETA to get the word going that a re-release is coming. But that's just me. It's disturbing to look at, but very artificial as far as getting the word out. A little too dude/slacker '90s, but very weird nonetheless.

• Sorry but the Da Vinci Code wasn't a book, it was a pile of steaming shit that got made into a mediocre movie (far better than the source material)

• I also like how on the YouTube preview frame, Pastor Douchebag is standing in the classic crucifixion pose.

• there's a lot of blue in that video. A LOT.

• It's the same no matter what large group you belong to. Someone is going to behave in a way that you find embarrassing. Any political party has their embarrassing fringe, as does any religion, or other large association of people. I think a solution might be to ignore the fringy folks and focus on a core ideal. Sadly, the fringy folks are the ones who get all the attention. Oh well.

• Probably for their next video "Why Spartacus: Blood & Sand is debauchery leading you away from the Path of God" or some other vanity project. Or they can't afford building their own sets (what with TWO HOME THEATER SYSTEMS AND THREE TIVOS) and need to swipe some "ancient-looking" backdrops.

• Fear not, ZADL, when it came out, my pastor railed against it. As he told it: The blasphemously named "Paul" Atriedes, the new Han Solo-esque cinematic figure that kids will identify and emulate, a False Saviour, and Antichrist, brought low a great civilization(which he thought was supposed to represent the United States) with his demon-eyed followers, all of whom rode worms, which can also be spelled wyrm, which is a synonym for a dragon, which of course is a synonym for the devil. Oh, and the Fremen's weirding modules represented how they're "demonic tongues" can destroy anything. So according to the man he was supposed to be my spiritual mentor, <I>Dune</I> is a Satanic movie that ingrains in the minds of children that the Antichrist will crush the United States with his demonic followers, by talking and riding worms. I talked my mom into letting me start staying home from church soon after that.

• ... I wish there was a way to keep the theology, Jesus and the Bible, and just dissassociate myself from idiots like that. And I don't mean just saying "I don't believe the same stupidity". I mean be disassociated enough to not HAVE to disown the stupidity.

• I think the more important question is, what kind of world do we live in now wherein crazy pastors damning entertainment as satanic are wearing faded, fitted jeans and silk-screened shirts like they're goin' out to the club. (Well, the club three years ago, or the corny one.)

• What would you expect from the same bunch of friitcakes that boycotted Disney for supporting equal rights and called Dora the Explorer evil and dedicated to corrupting and murdering America's youth?

• Yes, we should all get over our consumerism and worship of the media by all getting faux-hawks, Ed Hardy knock-off clothes, and have the name of our shows in giant Star Wars-styled font letter looming behind us... just like Jesus had! . People like this were the reason I bailed out on organized religion in my youth.

• Maybe I should have started with the coffee. lol.

• So am I the only one who caught the fact that they were filming on the set of Spartacus?? I'm kinda thinking that in the "leading people down the path of naughty" Lucy Lawless getting her freak on is probably more dangerous than a bunch blue cat aliens.

• Love how some jackass jumps up on a podium and not only bashes other religions, but other Christians. Because yeah, YOU have that divine insight that all other believers lack (except those that pander to your shit). And he has TWO home theater systems and THREE TiVos?! REALLY? Very humble and non-materialistic of you. You know, people like this and Fred Phelps who preach that they know God and are going to heaven and anyone else is going to hell...HELL would be spending an eternity in the same place as these guys.

• Um... to many (read: most)hard-line fundamentalist Christians, ANYTHING that is not their specific denomination is viewed as Satanic. In my little corner of the Bible Belt, Baptist and Pentecostal fundies often refer to one another as "believers in the false church." Hell, I even seen massive brawls erupt between the two groups. I'm sure Jesus was very proud of all of them. My atheist friend was called a Satanist in high school, <I>by a teacher</I>, no less. He was sent to the office when he told her that he couldn't be a Satanist, because that would imply that he believed in the fictitious counterpart of what he considered to be an equally fictitious being.

• The guy IS crazy. He's a nut job. The only thing that he had correct was that a lot of Pagan beliefs are tied to "everything is connected" or be one with nature. Besides that, holy crap he's nuts! Oh and he has 3 tivos, 2 home theater systems and so on... Doesn't that ring a bell with the 1st thing he said about the world today wants you to be into "consumerism" and not sharing and caring ?

• <sigh> I am a Christian, and I am as embarassed by this as I am by the Salem Witch trials. This guy's last statement is that this movie is a lie "to get you to follow your flesh rather than the scriptures", but such one-note simplistic categorizing of a creative effort that doesn't match one's world view seems to be to be a lie "to get you to follow the scriptures rather than the flesh". It's a straw man, successful in execution because dismissing something as "satanic" is much, much easier than engaging it thoughtfully -- or prayerfully, for that matter.

• Christians don't like avatar because it portrays a deity that is not the Christian god as being real (ay-wa or however you spell it). Dances with wolves doesn't do that. Avatar is also way WAY more popular than any other movie that might blatantly reference Satan, and if a movie is rejected by the masses in general, there's nothing for fanatics to flip out over. What's the point in a fire and brimstone sermon if you're referencing something no one has seen or gives a crap about? So you attack the da Vinci code, Harry potter, avatar. The more popular the property the greater the perceived threat. Incidentally, not only was Legion unpopular, but it doesn't directly reference Satan at all...the movie is about gods wrath and mostly features (for some reason) god-possessed zombies, and two angels.

• I guess it has been a while since this guy read the first part of Genesis. You know, the part where humans live primitvely and in-tune with nature? What, just because it makes money, that means it must be evil? Why can't all the allegories be interpreted as metaphors FOR Christianity? Pandora is Eden, the Na'vi are a race that never fell, the main guy becomes their Christ Figure... I could go on, but I'll just finish by saying that AVATAR is just a movie, like THE DA VINCI CODE was just a book, and cannot be taken as anything more than that.

• So can we all agree dude is making a big deal over nothing and go back to our CCGs?

• the video just proves that some one who did not try and can not figure out Avatar is just a movie about aliens cat creatures trying to save their homes from destruction is just a movie not some plot by satan for after all people have said the same thing about Dungeons and dragons from time to time. as for Battle Angel . it was one of the main reasons James made Avatar for the special effects in Avatar James wants for Battle Angel. why he has not made it yet. he has been busy with Avatar work. promotions and awards

• Cause God hates him

• Nothing says "good morning," like a stylized doucher screaming at you in the morning about pagans and satan.

• What about Dune? It's the same plot too: Savior comes from Outside, goes native, hooks up with the chief's daughter, and then fights off Exploitative Outsiders. It's the same damn plot, although in Dune's case it's done really, really well. And Dune is FAR more religious than Avatar was. Oh well.

• ... I'd still do him.

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