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Excited to see but that atrocious director makes me feel this is gonna fail (sadly) miserably
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I'm just annoyed the chick keeps calling him Conin, not Conan.
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This movie needs to be a boxful of raw-nasty, i just don't get that vibe from the guy playing conan or the preview. I don't like many Tarantino films but maybe that would have been a good start. I'm sure I am romanticizing the old films as I watched them in my young adolescence.
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My name is Conan. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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Well, "Outlander" was surprisingly good, Blade 2 was good, Enemy at the Gate was good, he was fucking brilliant in Alien:Resurrection, and I just loooooooved the Beauty and the Beast series back in the 80s. He was perfect as Hellboy and has a bunch of Nerd-respect from doing the voices for a bunch of superheroes and supervillains. Remember, Perlman might be the hardest working actor in the world and the chance of being in only good movies is pretty slim. And if the movies/series are bad, Perlman might make the part where he's in pretty watchable. Nothing but respect to Ron Perlman please.
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Well, the thing is that this Trailer sucks! The Red Band Trailer is much better and the Poster with Conan slaughtering on the battlefield is PERFECT! I don't know what to expect from this movie, but the casting is great and it has great potential being R-rated and all.
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I haven't read any of the modern stuff or the comics, but i'm butt hurt they didn't decide to go with anhuld and tell the story of how he became king.
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despite claims to the contrary, i have read most of the howard conan stories. If my recollections of his talkiness are wrong, my bad.
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i agree it's a complex issue, which is why i said my bad about starting the whole thing. I still enjoy both howard and lovecraft. But still, i haven't read anything by howard outside of conan.
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I grew up on the John Buscema "Conan" and always enjoyed the stories where it was Conan, alone, coming across a lone wizard or some other peril. Those scenes did so much to reveal character, and also make Hyborea feel like it was it's own unique world, completely unlike Middle Earth or any other fantasy world. So, I guess I'm saying I'm disappointed that in the new movie, Conan isn't slightly older (representative of Buscema and that "world-weary yet still able to overcome new obstacles and learn" look he did so well) and worn; someone who sees the folly of battle, but enjoys it just the same. And the fact that Hyborea in this version seems to look like every other fantasy world out there. Nothing unique. I know, I know, you have to re-introduce Conan to the movie-goers of today and like every other comic book film HAS to be an origin story, but I miss the sadness and melancholy of an older Conan. The one who had this tragic aura about him (sometimes) and made him compelling; maybe in the sequels. These are just a few thoughts of mine; I am by no means a Conan expert or Howard scholar, but if you are one of these lucky people please don't rip me a new one. I'm only stating an opinion. Thanks.
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After all the spectacular light show and SFX of this year's summer blockbuster (coughTHORcough) this one just feels...underperforming. Don't get me wrong, I know that a Conan movie is supposed to have a gritty feel to its med-fantasy nature, but it's just...I dunno...not enough somehow.
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Depends on which point in his life you're talking about. The younger Conan was fairly mercenary, but he did still have some base chivalry re: protecting women, never leaving a fellow warrior behind if he could avoid it and keeping his word. Later on, though, particularly after he became King of Aquilonia, his ideals extend to all the people under his care and his greatest concern in Scarlet Citadel was not his own safety but in ensuring the safety of his people and seeing that they did not fall into slavery before a puppet ruler and foul sorcery. Of course even a basic noble savage character would be more in keeping with the character as Howard wrote him than Oliver Stone's script.
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Bleah. This film appears to be just swords n biceps. Where's the epic feeling?? Where's the dark sorcery and sense of dark villains? Maybe those things aren't Howard's Conan. I dunno. I'm a Johnny come lately who knows nothing of Howard or the books. I just know this looks like a simple action film.
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Quotes of Genghis Khan - not Robert Howard.
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Nope, Conan - while not a conversationalist - wasn't a Silent Bob either. Most of the stories are available on Gutenberg or Wikisource, you can check them out there.
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You'll notice, if browsing the internet, that Gary Romeo and that particular essay are far from considered the general party line on Howard's extremely complex views on race. For example, you'll notice that nowhere in Gary's essay does he address two critically important characters: N'Longa and Ace Jessel. N'Longa is an African shaman who initially comes across as a goofy witch doctor, speaking in pidgin english like an idiot. "Me bring bad ju-ju, massah!" sort of thing. Kane thinks little of him. Then, in "The Hills of the Dead," he totally drops this demeanour like the act it is, and reveals himself to be a wise man of incredible intelligence, eloquence and wisdom - to the point where Kane feels ASHAMED of thinking poorly of him, as a base savage. You'd think Gary would mention a character like that. Or Ace Jessel. Howard wrote more boxing stories than fantasy/horror combined, yet only one of his boxing characters was a world champion. Most of his boxing characters are ugly, punch-drunk, grizzled fighters in it for profit or love of the fight, not unlike Conan. Ace was different: Ace was intelligent, empathetic, noble and kindly, and most importantly, Howard made pains to note none of this was due to "servility" or a sense of "knowing his place." The entire plot of one story, "Double Cross," is essentially about Ace Jessel having to overcome the prejudices of his hometown, who think of him as some uppity negro who's above his station. He succeeds: he wins a rigged exhibition match and gets the crowd on his side. So yes, Howard said a lot of things you'd expect a white Texan of the 1930s to say. But that's the sad, unpleasant reality of the 1930s. It would be wonderful to think Howard was some sort of visionary who looked beyond that, but he wasn't: he was a product of his times, and he sadly bought into the racism of the period. But that isn't to say he didn't rise above it occassionally, as N'Longa and Ace Jessel show.
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Ken tried to back out of the nerd fight in a conciliatory way. You could just follow his lead.
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Sounds like we're not actually worthy of this film.
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"he was extremely racist" Who, Conan? The same Conan who had black friends and allies like Sakumbe, Ajonga, Yasunga, Laranga, N'Gora and N'Longa? For an "extreme racist" he sure didn't seem to have much of a problem sailing with them. "hated women" Now that's just silly.
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Let's hope it's another exception, like The Name of the Rose.
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It wasn't. Howard never mentioned anything about his parents/tribe getting slaughtered, and an awful lot of circumstantial evidence goes against something like that happening. But we're stuck with it.
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The 1982 film had a few quotes too, don't forget.
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With the amount of times I've had to type 1932 and 1982 in the same post, it was bound to happen sooner or later.
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Then buy a nice hat. So if the movie's decent, you'll have to eat it. And if the movie isn't... well, at least you now have a nice hat.
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After seeing Game of Thrones, and his bad-assery Kal Drogo, I cannot wait to see this movie.
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It's from the director of "Pathfinder" and the writers of "A Sound of Thunder". If this movie turns out to be decent I will eat my hat. *I will not actually eat my hat. I do not even own a hat. I've always found them rather uncomfortable, really.
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It ain't just you,she looks a little like Clarice from silence of the Lambs only with wavier hair.
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You were the one who brought up Howard's personality, i was going by the book. And there's little in the book to back up what you were saying. And the fact that you don't remember Conan's smart ass personality and his threats, and hitting people with beef bones regularly. When you miss the basic personality of something like that, and you go straight to HOWARD WAS A RACIST BLAH BLAH BLAH" and using a google search first page result to back yourself up, well it makes it look like you're trying to cause controversy. Imagine if I went out and pointed out all the ways Ghandi was a dick. It's very different from the type of message he was leaving. And again, I seriously don't think you read the books when you're missing basic personality traits in your rememberance of a character. Unless you read them over a decade ago, and I guess that's just probable. Either way, you brought up the other bit. The stories themselves didn't have the racist overtones, but they did have the 'swooning female' as well as the 'badass kill the men' character that Conan got down with. But for the most part, that sorta thing was an after thought.
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Actually, let me apologize. I didn't mean to start a flame war about the history of Robert Howard. We could both quote passages of the book at each other all day and nothing would be settled. I just really don't want to be the kind of douchebag that tells people that they should feel a certian way about stories just because of the time period or the author that wrote them. People should take away from these stories what they want. I think we can both agree that Robert E. Howard's stories are worth reading.
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"It's a new film featuring a character created by Robert E. Howard in 1982." Dude, Robert E. Howard died in 1936. He created Conan in 1932. Conan then first appeared in comics in 1970. Get it right. OBVIOUSLY the storyline is different from Arnold's film Conan the Barbarian. I'm just wondering how many films it's ok to call "Conan the Barbarian."
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Yeah I don't think you've read the Conan books. At all. Just go start with the "Phoenix and the Sword" and work your way down. Conan would talk smack, insult 'civilized' people, explain his religion, talk about his homelands, with regularity.
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I admit I haven't read all his letters everyone, but I gather he was a racist. But how's that apparent in the books? And I love you how just disregarded the sexism stuff.
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Well perhaps we read two different complete works of conan by robert howard with letters from hp lovecraft lately. http://www.rehupa.com/romeo_southern.htm
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He described races, he didn't say one was superior to others, and again, the treatment of the women he rescued was at the behest of his editors, as was much of the sexing up. Actually *read* some of the exchanges between Lovecraft and Howard. Howard wasn't so much a racist as a guy writing about multiple races. Guilt by association eh? I guess since FDR took pics with Stalin he was secretly a communist too right? Just because friends, who share a similar field even, AND both have a disdain for modern living, doesn't mean that they're both sharing the same traits. THINK man, THINK!
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agreed, but i think he was more like silent bob, some grunts, then an insightful monolouge out of nowhere.
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actually (adjusts taped glasses and snorts) that statment could refer to both of them, because they were contemporaries and friends. Need I remind you of the Stygians and how they were described and the way conan treated the women he "rescued"? Now back to the comic book shop.
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I get the feeling they're going to go the 'Noble savage' route instead of the true anti-hero route where Conan does whatever he feels like and suits his idea of honor. The Conan of the stories wouldn't go out of his way to save people or serve a higher purpose or ideal. Most people wouldn't be able to put up with that. The line having to do with 'no man should live in chains' feels amiss, but that's Hollywood making a movie for Americans.
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Hold on there, sir. Enemy At The Gates was good.
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You're thinking of Lovecraft that was racist, and Howard only included the sex and whatnot at his editor's behest because it sold better. Swing and a miss.
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and he was extremely racist and hated women, so what? No way in these modern times will you get a faithful adaption of the original stories. There sometimes is something to be said for modernization, but if there's a cute comic sidekick kid, i will rage on principle.
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Given that the trailers had two direct quotes from the Howard stories... I have high hopes.
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You're not far off. In the Conan d20 RPG, there's a chart for traveling in Cimmeria. Just walking between villages requires a Survival skill check. Roll poorly and you can wind up facing anything from giant animal packs to freak mudslides and earthquakes.
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Conan was quote eloquent in his way in the original Howard stories when he had to be - very much cut in the mold of the classic warrior poet. "I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."
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i just watched and old movie from 73 called Swashbuckler and couldnt believe how bad ass james earl jones looked! When I saw him a couple years after starwars he was big balding and wearin glasses. They should have get him back in to shape for conan like he was in the 70s
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The original wasn't even "Conan'. And Conan was a smartass smarmy sonofabitch. If you promise to read more, i promise not to hit you with a stick.
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He was just playing dead to move Conan on to bigger and better things.
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Conan's father is never addressed in the books I think.
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Because Conan the Barbarian wasn't so much Robert E Howard's Conan as it was a butchered screenplay for Kull the Conqueror. Not saying this film will be true to Howard's version, but I can only hope it will be more Cimmerian than Barbarian.
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it's the hair that does it for me. by crom what a gorgeous mane.
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Amazing. Oh wait, not it wasnt. Any Conan film where he utters more than a handful of lines isnt Conan. ESPECIALLY where there is 'comedy' relief. Pro-tip Hollywood - if every film you make is utterly vanilla for fear of people not getting it, then you....oh fuck it whatevs *goes off to self-harm....and SEE MY ENEMIES DRIVEN BEFORE ME*
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He's going to be on Fox Network's Terra Nova too. LOL
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Ron Perlman is not allowed to die. Ever.
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You are not in Kansas anymore. You are Cimmeria ,wenches and barbarians. Respect that fact every second of every day. If there is a Mount Crom, you might wanna go there for some R & R after a tour in Cimmeria. Out there beyond that wall every living thing that crawls, flies, or squats in the mud wants to kill you and eat your eyes for jujubes.
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Very true. Let's hope this movie isn't trying to appeal to Sons of Anarchy, broham fans. :P
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Wikipedia says so. Man, is it just me or does she look EXACTLY like Jodie Foster 10 years ago?
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A new Red Sonja movie more in line with the comics WOULD be awesome. But I think the only way we'll get it is if this movie does gangbusters. Last I checked Robert Rodriguez still had the rights and was hoping Rose McGowan might recover enough to take up the role as planned. At the very least, I think we don't need to worry about a future Red Sonja movie being turned into a Megan Fox vehicle at this point...
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For the record, I'm not excited, so much as tremendously nervous.
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"So why remake what was already good?" Well, it isn't a remake, really. It's a new film featuring a character created by Robert E. Howard in 1932.* There's no reason a new film featuring the character can't be made, any more than there shouldn't have been another Batman after the 1966 film. The fact that the 1982 film is about as faithful to the source material as "I, Robot" was is another reason, not to mention the fact that the original stories would make pretty awesome films. Infuriatingly, this film isn't an adaptation of any of them, but it's hoped that they'll go for a proper adaptation for the sequel (and there will be one: if G.I. freakin' Joe can get a sequel, so can this film) *Yes, 3 and 8 look deceptively similar, despite there being a fairly substantial difference.
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This is the most teal and orange trailer I've seen in a while. Looks like an A grade stupid action movie though. I'm ok with this.
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Wait... who's that playing Conan's father? *checks IMDb* ... oh no... not him... *screams to the heavens in pain, for no movie that has Ron Perlman in a supporting role can be good*
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High hopes. High anticipation. The Conan movie we've been waiting for for years. The only people I know who are NOT looking forward to this are the ones who just don't care about Conan or the die-hard AH-NOLD fans who have never read a Robert Howard story in their life.
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Aside from the whole "father killed by bad guys, must get revenge" angle (which I don't think was in Howard's stories), I'm looking forward to some delightfully violent panther-thewed barbarian mayhem with magic in it.
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If the fights are half as well choreographed and performed as Drogo's fight scene of GoT this will be pretty awesome
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I know of no mild or semi-murder.
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Conan the Barbarian... ...CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zqG63QQf0TE/RwB1wRJsTiI/AAAAAAAAACY/vzUdqCuZ_vk/s400/cantstopthemusiccover.jpg
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Was that Rachel Nichols? =O
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My problem is that there isn't a single person in it I care about. It just looks like a very high budget Syfy movie or something. Guy with sword kills things. That deserves a Netflix watch, but not a theater visit.
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:sigh: Okay, okay it looks awesome, alright? Jason Momoa looks like a pretty good Conan, but although he looks the part more than Arnold, Arnold to me IS freaking Conan! So why remake what was already good? On top of this, I can't believe a Conan movie is coming out but Red Sonja never got made. If Red Sonja was in this movie, that would be infinitely awesome and ease all sense of betrayal, but she's not. I guess I'll go see this anyway though :'(
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Damn, Nu Conan has impressive eyebrows. Even without the Drogo makeup his expression is permanently one of intense smoulder. 'Sup, ladies?'
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I'm actually looking forward to it quite a bit. Momoa's turn as Khal Drogo has only helped to stoke my enthusiasm.
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I have had little to no interest in seeing this. Something though, not sure what, has me listening a bit more, wanting to maybe check this out.
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