• after you have finished catwoman and batman challenges and 70% of the game is done what do you do next?

• In all honesty and to prove further that you don't read, and can't understand what you read. I didn't buy the DLC because it didn't interest me.  My original point was about pre-order DLC not being bad.   Any of the DLC packs I wanted for the game I got when I bought it because I used my head to pick to get what I wanted. Feel free to spend the rest of the day raging over nothing again, and humoring me with your ignorance. But I want to see if you can do so with out being insulting. I doubt it. I think ignorant rage is the only mode you have. 

• A shame they didn't include Suit of Sorrows or Azrael.

• As for Joe being a badass, He has a heck of a lot more balls than you ever will. A stuck up, arrogant little brat calling himself "arsenal" (oooh scary!) with no face or name.

• Awww so angry you have make fun of my friends? You really should just stop while you're behind. You know how I can tell how unhinged you are? You keep mentioning how you "know I'll respond".  Silly reverse psychology that gives away the desperation of your clumsy retorts. You see, all the college education in the world won't make you witty or good in an argument. You should stick to calling me poor.

• I also love how despite pretending to focus on valid points, you've been reduced to fishing for personal info to make fun of. /shakes head. Just give it up dude.

• Except that you didn't shut anyone down. Hey whatever makes you feel better...right? You still pretending to be all calm and cool about this? Who do you think you're fooling?

• Wow so that's two other people (I'm sorry, two of my sock puppets). I so want to give you our TS and see you come on flailing your fists around like a lunatic before being banned.

• What ever makes you feel better about your life. What school did you study or is wikipedia a school now? Don't get all upset, you started this entire conversation with your ignorance, I just shut you down, so lets take a bet, can you act like an adult, and just let it rest or go back to being a sociopath, something that you don't understand and obviously are or be an adult? I bet you're response will prove it. But I am guessing you are middle aged, 30's, sits behind a desk all day, no insurance, minimal exercise and probably a lot of junk food, sounds about right.

• "I don't really care, this is just hilarious watching you get madder and madder the entire time." ....lmao riiiight. A little late for the whole "I'm just watching u get maz bro trolololol" card. Good try.

• I must have missed it were you making a point somewhere there or just complaining again about me having an education, and the fact that you don't understand that they are real. Sorry about that, school is scary, I get it, you don't think that is worth it, that is why I have a real job, and  don;t rage on the computer all day . But take solace in the fact that you had some friends come on here and look just as ignorant as you, and use their facebook account to log on, that doesn't show how ignorant they are at all, nope Joseph Trotter from La Verne California , is a certified badass,  I get it, you are sad and pathetic and trolling, an ignorant little man on a TS server getting his equally pathetic friends to chime in and make no sense at all.I truly am sorry your life is so rough that you lash out, that is upsetting, but really get over it. Because no matter how you look it the only reason I gave you any back ground is because you asked it, and the moment you found out you went off, explain that? Why do you hate people with education? Because you think they are better then you. That's sad.What is even more sad is that you will keep responding, and I will keep laughing, and right now you are on your TS server all pissed off over the internet and someone you lost an argument to. Here is an idea for you, just don't respond, then I can't make you look fooling, explain why you are so pathetic and you can cheer yourself up but doing whatever it is you do.But here is the thing.  You won't, you will hop back on here, and try to say something clever, and fail, that's the best part and what is the fun thing here, watching you freak out.  So come on how long until you make some response? But hey if you do that why don't you start over and actually prove your point that you started?

• As for sociopathy, I studied psychology when I was in school. I actually do understand what sociopath means. It's a very broad category (like schizo-effective disorder). Do YOU know what a sociopath is? You keep calling me one, but I'm not really doing anything different than you, so I fail to understand the accusation here. I haven't really done anything sociopathic. Insulting you over the internet isn't sociopathy, if so, you were guilty of that long before I showed up.. It just seems like another bit of fluff you came up with, to insult me for not respecting you. at this point your insults are coming fast and loose, attacking my psychology, my presumed failings, piss poor reverse psychology, how old this post was, and how I wil lact on the video game we both preordered, I can see you've degraded to the absolute bottom of the pissing contest barrel. I'm not raging over prices, I'm raging over a self absorbed asshole who rages at people who rage at prices. How does it make me feel? Not great. However, if you're trying to elevate yourself above me somehow, you'll need to try a whole fuckload better than this. Lol "30 is middle aged"....friggin kids.

• "Yeah I probably am, but unlike you I am a well off, educated asshole with a loving family and friends." Ahhh Worthington's Law. Watch this, to find out why what you just wrote, is the most pathetic thing you've said tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo "Because as it turns out I am only an asshole to uneducated ignorant fucks like you that try to look smart and then fly off the handle when they get put in their place." Correction, you paid a ton of money to have a degree granting institution tell you, that you jumped through enough hoops to be worth something. That's ALL you have. Other than that, you're a loser, who insults poor people on the net, and then feigns maturity and intellect. Who flies off the handle when someone doesn't cower in fear of your shitty diploma. I don't give a fuck how many friends and family an asshole has. Charlie Manson had a "loving family" too. So do I.  All you'll ever be, is an asshole, and that place you think you put me in? Not as damaging as you think. I still prefer it, to the place you willingly put yourself. The difference is, I don't delude myself into thinking I'm excused because of my loving family and friends or my college degree, or being "well off".

• Sorry to burst your bubble, but thats not me. I had to actually tab out of BF3 and then log into my facebook account just to see this because its to funny to miss. If you want to believe thats me or freeronniedobbs on a sock puppet account, feel free to but I gaurentee its not. I doubt your going to believe me either way, but whatever. I wont lose sleep over it. Do I think your a dick? Yup. Am I going to waste time here when I could be on BF3? Fuck no, lol. P.S. you'd sooner win the world cup than join our TS server. I'd ban your stupid ass before youd have time to realize what happened.

• Woah ok, apparently that's NOT my friend from TS. He's playing BF3. Ha! That's embarrassing. I just asked him and he said he didn't post that. WOW. No, I actually have no idea who that is, but it's not surprising other people find you socially repugnant.

• Of course he is your "friend" So either he is made up 90% chance or 10% chance he is real and just repeating what you say because it is easier then hearing you cry on Team Speak. Ohh whats your channel I think I have the TS client on my PC

• I call you a pathetic sociopath, with a new account. Deal with it. You keep responding, that's the funny part, you want me to make you look like a fool. You keep coming back and coming back. That's whats the most pathetic part of your pathetic situation here. That's whats great about this, I am taking this as a joke, because it is a joke, you are a joke your opinions are a joke.   So tell me buddy, what kind of business do you run?  Good profit margins? Any employees or just you?  Office or work from home?  I don't really care, this is just hilarious watching you get madder and madder the entire time.

• Actually I was laughing about this on Team Speak and linked it up. That's a friend of mine.

• Oh my god you made a second account to try to double troll? That is pathetic as it gets. And account with this being it's first post ever?  With the exact same points you make, and grammar issues.  You are by far the most pathetic thing I have ever seen

• The thing is, you're desperate to prove something to me. You give me your life story, and lay out your education for me, because you're so far up your own ass, that you NEED me to know how much better than me, you are. You're a narcissist. You can't help it. My only point has been, that you're a dick. That's it. I didn't come here to argue economics. You're an asshole who answered a rhetorical question, in a desperate plea to look smarter than someone. I called you out on it. You can go on, and on, about your masters, and how much business you understand, but it really boils down to a very arrogant young man, who thinks way too highly of himself, using his declared education to tell people off, for not liking day one Batman video game DLC. Does that not strike you as idiotic? I mean suppose your education is factual (despite using terms like 'tryhard kids'), is this really where you choose to invest your time? Calling people "poor", because they think charging for something that was removed from the finished product, and set aside for suckers to buy, is lame? This is all over BATMAN VIDEO GAME DLC. This is what you choose to insult people over, and you call me a sociopath.

• Do you know what a sociopath is? I doubt it, and the truth is you haven't been right once this entire time.  I however have been this entire time, down to you being uneducated and pushing your sociopath tendencies off on others, you are a wonderful example of a borderline personality.   I also have doubts on owning your own business, etsy or being an eBay salesman isn't a business. Expectantly with the insanity that you spout off at the drop of a hat.  Especially as this entire thing is from you trolling on a post made a month ago.  That is pure crazy. That's what it comes down to, you coming to a website trolling a month old post and then getting made to look like an ignorant fool.  Does that make you happy? You own a business doing what? Sitting on the computer all day playing MMO's and trolling websites?  Good job there. I am sure people are proud of you. Am I an asshole? Yeah I probably am, but unlike you I am a well off, educated asshole with a loving family and friends. Because as it turns out I am only an asshole to uneducated ignorant fucks like you that try to look smart and then fly off the handle when they get put in their place. You don't like it deal with it.  Just like this whole conversation about DLC, you don't like it, don't buy it, no one gives a shit, once enough people agree with you then you get your way.  So you know what Mr. I'm over 30, own a pretend business that allows me to play MMO's all day and night and troll the internet. If I was you I would be pissed off too.  Because you're a joke, you don't know what your talking about and as a so called businessman that is fucking pathetic to not understand business. Do you even make a profit or do you live by the mantra that as long as there is some money coming i you are all good. Thank you for validating all my points.  But tell me, as you are going to respond because you are too pathetic not to try to prove a point, how does it feel to be a middle aged man raging about DLC on the internet and losing because you don't have the common sense to better yourself or even fact check. You know why you think education isn't worth it? Because you can't get it, it was too hard for you, so you think you're the victim, how sad is that when you see it spelled out in front of you. How pathetic is that?  You came on to troll a month old post. That is just sad. I hope I don't play the same server as you on TOR, because I am sure you will be the guy trying to greif and then sending hate messages to people that beat him in PvP.

• Ignorance is bliss, eh Arsenal? Its so bliss in fact that your unaware of your own fanboism and weak retorts. I mean insulting others by means of degration? Calling others "kids"? I feel for you, truly. Even though dobbs was lowering himself to your immature level, he was not trying to pretend otherwise. You however, seem to be on an egocentric trip about how your justified because of your weak ass education, all the while trying to defend innappropriate DLC methods without any real supporting factors other than, "if you don't like it, don't buy it". Do you honestly believe that companies are justified because people have a choice of weather or not to buy game content that should already be supplied by a subscription or initial purchase? Wake up already, your making an ass out of yourself and its pathetic. Oh and don't bother trying to slay me with your self entitled, overly exaggerated, verbal abilities, because I don't give two shits about what arrogant people like you have to say. Not to mention, your replies so far are less than impressive to anyone older than the age of 12. I know your going to respond though, because when push comes to shove, my words will matter to you and you just have to have the last word. Have fun being a tool "kiddo".

• In other words, I was right. I'm over 30, and own my own business. I also don't spend all my time online insulting people, for having less education, or as much money as I do. All the education in the world,, can't make you less of a worthless asshole, arsenal. Which is what you are. An asshole. You're nothing more than an arrogant, ignorant asshole with internet access, trolling websites. Remember that, the next time you need to make yourself feel better, by tearing someone else down. Want to see a sociopath? Look in the mirror.

• Well that clears it up a lot about you.   You actually have no education, and probably failed out of college. So you now take any chance you can get to go off on people who are smarted and better educated then you are.  You are masking your insecurities. That is really sad really.   And to top it off you go back to calling me a fanboy, so not only are you uneducated, ignorant of the facts of this conversation. But you are also a sociopath.  This really is very interesting.   Sad but interesting.   To say having college credits does not help you get a job, then explain job posting that ask for the applicants to have some college educations to apply, or for my job where the pay scale moves over depending of credits earned, not even a full degree needed, but that does give you a big push for promotions and increases in pay. Plus most jobs require a degree at this point, as a college degree is the high school degree of years ago.  And saying that college courses mean nothing in the real world is also pretty ignorant and the excuse of the uneducated to make themselves feel better, sure experience is important but who is going to get that promotion, you or the person with the same experience plus and education? The answer isn't you. If you took college courses and didn't learn shit that means you failed and if you still got a degree then your school failed. But lets look at it this way, I have a masters, obviously did not go to a community college.  I am still under 30, have years of experience in my field under my belt.  You however are *Early to mid 20's  *No college education, most likely failed out or could not get in *Work in retail at the bottom level, same position that you have worked in for years, maybe  not at the same store but still same position. *People with educations upset you because you think, that they think, that they are better then you. This makes you think and act like you are superior they are just getting better chances in life because of a degree that has no use.  * For whatever reason are so full of rage that you will sit by a computer all day hurl insults, and never make a valid point and basically look like a sociopath, and somehow think you are actually an intelligent worthwhile person. *Very upset that you do not understand the basics of finances and business that could easily be learned with out going to any class, but the mention of education goes back to your own insecurities and hence fill you with more rage.

• You are right about one thing though. Acknowledging you, or your insipid trolling for more than 30 seconds, has embarrassed me. Giving you any attention at all, is pretty shameful. You'rejust some jerk who talks out his ass. Anyway I'm done. For real this time.

• ...and you can cry about people who don't shit their money away on virtual Batman costumes, and call them poor to make yourself feel better! The cycle of life.

• Oh I knew it! You're some 20-something (maybe 30, tops) assbiter who took a course in college on economics, and now, like many stupid people who take a course on something, you think yourself an expert. Or at least you consider yourself just marginally knowledgeable enough, to win an internet argument. Nothing in that course covered why this DLC is a rip off. Oh and only a fool says college credits help you get a job. Degrees MAYBE will help, no one gives a shit about how many credits you have. You're lucky if even your degree helps these days. By throwing out the most glib, basic info you think your opponent is not privy to, based on your few months in some community college somewhere, you think you have a solid argument. That's funny. You're funny. and all over your fanboy defense of video game DLC. That education really went to good use! By simply stating something stupid with confidence, and begging for authority with your paltry college course (which means NOTHING in the real world btw) you think you defeat your opponents. When that doesn't work, you make fun of them for having less money than you, and call them stupid. One would think an educated man like yourself, could argue a point finer than that. Even stupid people take college courses, it doesn't mean you learned shit.

• No I'll leave buying costumes for comic book video games, to people who took economics classes.

• By the way "arsenal". If you don't mind my asking, you tend to use the word "kid" as an insult, a lot. Might I ask how old you are exactly?

• I'm sure it was the high point of your year. You're quite welcome "arsenal". I'd argue that you can't really prove an opinion, but you just look so gosh darn pleased with yourself. Enjoy, my friend. The little victories are what life worth living. Yours, anyway.

• Don't forget to go buy the Batman Costume pack out today. Then you can complain that those costume you don't need were a rip off and not worth your money.

• Wow congrats, I have one paid off as well. Have a cookie. But thanks for proving my point, you want it you buy it,  no one made you buy that right? But you are choosing to because the extra content is worth the extra 100 for you? Good job proving my point, very proud of you. Care to continue to embarrass yourself and prove me right? 

• Oh, and I have a CE version of SWTOR on the way. Refusing to buy something, doesn't mean I can't.

• Wow you really are something special.. You can go on all day? I am sure you can. But can you come with an actual point? It's been a long time from when you first tried to make a point and you have yet to say anything even remotely correct or logical.   But as you are down to personal attacks I will assume you can't even come up with a half assed argument like you started with. Good work their slugger, keep trying and honestly if you are old enough take a class on economics and maybe you will start to understand who I am talking about. Also college credits could help you get a better job then you could afford some DLC

• HA! Dude you're such an arrogant tool. I could keep you going all day if I wanted. You really can't help yourself can you? You are so fantastically desperate for approval and validation. It's as revolting, as it is hilarious.

• *sigh* You have an uncanny skill of not having a clue what you are talking about. Really poor people don't play video games?  Maybe people that are homeless or the poorest of the poor, but the majority of the poor probably do,  as there are the groups that live by instant gratification and buy video games with out thinking if they have the money for other things because their own personal satisfaction at that moment is the most important thing to them. Then of course there is the working poor, where they work and they work and save up until they can buy a used game system for themselves or their kids. So still playing video games but can not afford every game or DLC. I get that you don't think your points through, and I am sure you are reading this, but honestly think before you speak or post. Educate yourself on how all of this works, and maybe just maybe if you try really hard you won't sound so ignorant. It is a slim chance but you might be able to pull it off. 

• Before I go, I'll ignore most of your pathetically desperate attempts to keep this going, and just address one thing, as I'm quickly losing interest in feeding your massive and painfully unwarranted ego: Poor people don't play video games. It sort of ties into the whole "not having money thing".

• You truly are not a very bright kid. To start with, just don't buy it is the perfect answer, because that's how capitalism works, you don't buy it they lose money they change their strategy. Obviously this goes over your head.  Of course you're not poor that's why you took such offence to it. Either way poor, middle or rich you sure got mad about an idiom, so it at least shows you have no emotional maturity, but making fun of you makes me no better then you. And no that isn't a point, I explained a business model to you, you didn't get it do you threw a fit. Of course retorting with you actually used an example that you didn't even have all the facts or knowledge of is amazingly good form.   I am sure you are just arguing because it is how you get your rocks off and you actually think you know what you are talking about.  Fanboyism has nothing to do nor was mentioned in any of my comments. I only support what I think is a good value, that isn't fanboyism that's not being a moron.  Sorry that you can't grasp that. Reread this entire thing and show where I say anything about people complaining about games I like? All you are going to see if me pointing out business facts and the reason for the DLC involved in the Batman game. How you can't grasp this is beyond me. Hey the important fact is you realise that you have no idea what you are talking about and you just walked away with the fake "I'm the bigger man" act.  That is a gamefaqs staple for the tryhard kids there. 

• Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? I'm not the one telling other people what an adult should do. I freely admit what I'm doing here isn't appropriate. You are the one placing yourself on some imaginary pedestal of maturity, while acting like a child. 1. Don't buy it if you don't like it is the laziest, apologetic fanboy response right after "You just suck at it". 2. I'm not poor, that was the crux of your entire argument. That, and I don't understand the intimacies of abusing DLC by charging suckers like you, for shit that should have been in the game. 3. No, it WAS a point. Just because you haven't been able to provide one decent counter argument without resorting to the entire backlist of cliche fanboy ad hominem attacks, doesn't make it gibberish. Your opinion on a sequel has NOTHING o do with this argument, at all, and only drives home the point that you're just some asshole kid who hates it when people complain about games you like. Take this bullshit back to Gamefaqs, with the rest of the kids, with to much money, and not enough sense. don't be offended if I fail to respond to any more of this pissing contest, as I'm actually going to practice what you preach, and go back to acting like an adult. You can sit here and continue to imagine strangers as being poor and insulting them for it. P.S. I don't give a crap about Valve. I've played ONE game by them I like. I don't use Steam. It was just an example.

• Well at least you covered that you're not an adult by your logic then. Good job there champ. The biggest question I have is, do you read what you wright? Did you notice how it has nothing to do with anything I said? Or are you just too busy being an angry internet dweller?  But lets hit your "points" 1- Then don't buy it if it doesn't interest you, that's a non issue, I don't care about COD, so I am not going to buy the games or the DLC.  2-Sucks for you, do something about it if you don't like it. 3- Not even a point, just random gibberish you wrote trying to make a point. My point was that L4D2 quality is showing that Valve is not a saintly company as you were trying to say. If it exactly the same money grubbing plan everyone else has.  Again think before you speak. You also jump to the conclusion that I buy every DLC I don't. I buy what interests me and what I want, as I am not a loose spending fan boy.  I could go on and on about this point but you are obviously not intelligent enough to get what I am saying at all.  So continue to be a rage filled entitled little child.  Your opinion doesn't matter to anyone least of all me. If you were able to string a coherent thought, maybe I would care, but you can not  Again let me explain my points. * DLC costs money because it is out side of the original game costs. * At this point no DLC keeps you from having the finished part of the game, they are icing on the cake, don't buy it if you don't want it, if enough people don't buy it the companies will figure out there is an issue. * The whole point of my post to the original person was to explain the appeal of retailer exclusive DLC *Stop being a whiny child, you look like a clown and retorting with nothing but a string of swear words and insults make you look like a kid pissed because mommy and daddy wouldn't let you buy some DLC. Also the Portal 2 DLC was worth the price, I wouldn't have paid for it if they charged.  But on L4D when the put out the passing, I did pay, and it was a pile of shit. So sorry to insult your company Valve but their DLC has never been worth money. 

• Oh, and as far as what "adults" do? Adults generally don't spend their time on websites making themselves feel better, by insulting people for presumably not being able to afford video game content. Generally that's covered by whiny, entitled kids. Think about it, champ.

• If you're more concerned with looking smarter than those you talk to so much that you spend your time answering rhetorical questions, chances are you're the last person to call someone else stupid. So forgive me if I take your "you just mad cuz you poor" fanpissing, with a grain of salt. Let me see if I can boil your mountain of bullshit, down to its crappier base components: 1. No one makes you buy it. (Your kung fu grip on the obvious, is astounding). Nothing makes me WANT to buy it either. 2. I'm poor. 3. L4D2's quality as a sequel is an argument against say the free DLC for Portal 2. (Wait you'r saying I'm not bright?) Amazing reasoning. So if I have a problem with charging extra for virtually nothing, clearly I lack the funds to buy it and it has nothing to do with the fact that I actually know the value of my dollar. Just because you have the money in your account doesn't mean buying the item in question is worth it. By the way, insulting people for having less money than you? Stay classy chief. It's not entitlement, I'm a consumer, you clownshoe. I have no issue with good DLC. It's the shitty ones, you sit here and insult people for not bending over for, that I refuse to accept. Stop being an loose spending fanboy, who sucks up any bullshit companies shove down your throat. But most of all. stop being an obnoxious, loathsome cunt, when it comes to telling others what they should accept from companies. YOU are the fanboy. Not me. These aren't your friends, they aren't your family. Stop defending them as if they were.

• Lets start off with a rhetorical question of my own.  You're not very smart or informed are you? I mean lets start off with Valve, free DLC?  That explains Hats on TF2, maps on both Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 and the fact that L4D2 was nothing more then a expansion pack priced at full retail less then a year after the first game came out.  So Valve not gouging customers? Take the fanboy glasses off and use the dead cells in your skull. Second no one makes you pay for those skins or any other DLC they are not needed to play the game they are extra.  Not only in a normal situation made outside the initial game budget pre-order items are paid for my the companies that give them away. So after the contract is up, they company can put those skins out or the DLC maps out on the marketplace.   Now why are they not free? Well let me explain what everyone else should know but you are too lazy to find out.  If there is an achievement/trophy involved both Microsoft and Sony require there to be a charge for said DLC to update their servers. Stop being an entitled little poor kid and deal with it, most DLC is made outside of the initial gaming budget, so when it gets put out the company needs to recoup their expenses.  It is called basic economics. If you don't like it don't buy it, no one makes anyone buy any DLC, so like an adult you can choose what you want. Or continue to bitch and moan about it like a child that doesn't get candy at the store.  But at least try to know what you're talking about before you start to talk.  Because you are ignorant of the entire process. 

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question Good job explaining what everyone on Earth already knows. The point being that it shouldn't BE extra. Stop being a fanboy, and thanking greedy game companies for giving you the finger. Did you know Valve gives DLC away FOR FREE? Novel idea that. Not gouging your loyal customers for a few extra bucks.

• Hey..how do you change Nightwing's costume to the older one...I never have seen instructions as to how to do it..can anyone fill me in please?

• People in cells may have something to offer on Halloween...

• {{Plus, if you found the little easter egg, you know there's gonna be some spooky shenanigans coming up soon.}} ...you mean the little box next to the headless Harley figure in their lair? (Trying not to spoil too much--I'm pretty sure you don't mean that, but those of us who saw it will think it's creepily appropriate to describe that as "spooky". {g})

• Could be worse...? {coughcrochack}

• Wouldn't Cassandra Cain (or heck even Huntress) fit the concept of the series better anyway?

• No, mustaches embody the Seventies. Mullets remind me more of douchebags in the 80's and troglodyte Country-Western singers in the 90's.

• Modern Warfare 2 - that was short. Arkham CIty was perfect. I wouldn't mind these download packs to be side missions as opposed to just Nightwing beating people up but who knows what they're cooking.  Nightwing or Robin going after the rest of the League of Shadows would be a nice touch. Plus, if you found the little easter egg, you know there's gonna be some spooky shenanigans coming up soon. And there's a Maxie Zeus Olympus building that they could make a dope story with... me being the obscure Batman villain fan (c'mon Crazy Quilt!) I'd love to see him pop up instead of just slyly referenced by Dini.  There's a lot more coming for this game, I'm sure. 

• I love how the DLC is coming out before Arkham City is still out on PC

• Doesn't matter, had sex.

• then why the roof top? it's not inside so the area is not blocked off. The only thing that makes sense is either a swap in swap out or side missions.

• Just to clarify...I was agreeing...you'll be fine

• Whatever...my GF was in Denver all week so all I did was work, sleep, and game and I still have tons more to do...only 35% done...I agree with what Rob said, if you think this game is too short, you're doing it wrong...

• Does that still count?  I just don't know anymore...

• I know this is beginning to sound like a broken record, but people need to keep saying it until game developers listen - DLC 2 weeks after the game came out?  You're telling me this wasn't ready on Oct. 18?  Now I have to pay more $$$ to get it?  What, my original $60 wasn't enough?  Between L.A. Noire, Gears 3 and Arkham City, I'm getting sick of this crap...

• I'm waiting for the inevitable game of the year edition with all the dlc. I can't keep getting nickel and dimed with this stuff.

• Awesome, I hope Nightwing does battle with Two-face, since (at least pre-DCnU) they have a history, as shown in Robin: Year One.

• The people who complain that any game is "too short", especially on the week of release, are the folks who pretty much do nothing but work, sleep and game. I'm sure the average person such as myself will be just fine with it.

• Arkham City does give out blowjobs. Unfortunately it's the Penguin who's giving them.

• It's all about the money.

• YES. Co-op is the one thing missing from Arkham City.

• I need to get going on that open-world adventure concept of mine where you play the entire game as a buxom redhead in a wheelchair. It's going to be AWESOME.

• The price scales were also different, though - expansion packs were $20 - $30, whereas DLC is usually delivered in smaller chunks of under $10. Sending out smaller amounts of DLC at a time is fine as long as there are smaller costs associated with it (although I do sympathise with your inability to use Catwoman because of your connection - that bites).

• I could be missing something, but you're talking to oracle through the game. I don't think she'd be very good in a fight if she put on the batgirl costume given her inability to move her legs. 

• I'd gladly put up with a 10 hour game if it also gave out BJs.  The replay value would be unbelievable!

• The 80s (not 70s) Nightwing outfit by George Perez would be awesome (and seksy)! How about the jiminez "Darkwing" costume from the 90s?

• No, Robin is only for the challenge maps, sadly.  I expect Nightwing will be the same.

• I hope that the next Arkham-series game has all these characters from the start.  Also, a built-in co-op mode would be awesome.  I know they said they didn't want to add a "tacked-on" multiplayer just for the sake of having one, but if they specifically design the next game for cooperative play I think it would be truly amazing.

• Well, I think there's a legitimate complaint when the producers promise "40 hours of story", and this turns out to be an overly creative lie (to put it bluntly).

• Not from anything I've heard, no. Catwoman, yes (once the game is over), Drake or Grayson no. This could change later of course. They would have to design and introduce little places for characters to "cross paths" and switch, as that's what happens with Catwoman: during the post-game free-roam phase, there are three places on the map with little cats sitting on ledges, and if the player activates them as either Batman or Catwoman, the other character shows up a moment later and control hands off to 'follow' that one around for a while. I can foresee problems with this mechanic, if Robin and Nightwing are included.

• This is the internet, of course people are going to complain that the game is 'too short.' It could walk your dog, wash your car, fix you a cocktail, and give you a blowjob, people on the internet would still bitch about it.

• Can you play as Robin in the free roaming campaign?

• TAS Nightwing has a mullet too, you know!

• Dude, TAS Nightwing had a MULLET. It embodies the seventies!

• The Catwoman stuff wasn't part of the main disc to cut down on the resale market.  If the code is used, then people have to buy the Catwoman DLC if they want it.  It's an "added" bonus for buying the game new.

• *as

• If he plays are stiff and clunky as Robin this will be ignored.

• Plus those expansions packs- you loaded on your computer when you paid for them-- Not join a pay per view service- to download stuff you paid for but cant access-- yes I have the catwoman code (which explain to me why it couldnt have been on the disc if everyone got it)-- but I cant use it as I dont have X-Box live- and I dont have any real way to access it -- I have dial up-- plain and simple- no routers, no dsl, no sat service... SO now Im missing the catwoman stuff and have no way to get it-- or I am actually going to have to take my X-Box somewhere else, set up a service and then download stuff- that should have been in the game already.

• Yeah but expansion packs where basically almost full games, modern DLC is just little pieces that trickle through in an unsatifying way.  See I got the Robin DLC with the game and I'm glad I did but I would never buy it seperate because it's asking price is way too high for what it delivers, which sadly looks to be the same with old Nightwing here.

• Maybe he meant the original Nightwing's 70's outfit.  And by that, I guess I mean Kal-El's.

• Ya can't fault folks for associating that disco pimp collar with the 70s.

• Did that animation seem incredibly stiff, slow and poorly animated to anyone else?

• Didn't you just answer your own question there? They are side dishes and they cost extra, in all honestly all of the DLC outside of Catwoman adds nothing to the game and Catwoman come free with the game if you buy it new.  You want cheesey fries with your meal you pay extra,  you want to play as Robin, you pay extra (or just buy from best buy) You want a blooming onion, and you're at Olive Garden, you better swing by Outback to get it, just like TAS Batman =Gamestop Or wait till December and get the skin pack.

• "Modern"? Expansion packs were around PC gaming for a couple of decades. This isn't anything new in the slightest. Think of stuff like Wing Commander and TIE Fighter - two of the best games ever made had a couple of expansions each. I think id made more money on Doom level packs than Doom itself. etc., etc.

• How much was the energy drink and where? Because it has to cost less than the Green Lantern Blu.

• I just wish they would put out a sotry mode for Robin and Nightwing, like Catwoman has. That would be awesome 

• From everything I've heard, just the challenge rooms. (So far.)

• A fair point.

• NO! No mullets!  Holy hell I forgot about the Nightmullet until you mentioned it. 

• As much as I love Nightwing... I haaaaaaaaate this modern gaming scene where they charge seven damn dollars a month after release for a handful of bonus missions. Why the hell couldn't this have been included? And on top of this you have all this bullshit exclusive DLC being distributed to various outlets.  Hell, a friend just bought a shitty energy drink so he could get a code for the Batman Beyond skin. Whatever the hell happened to buying a game and getting the full game. Now you have dozens of separate bells and whistles purchased separate. I know Arkham City is a damn full game, it's a full three course meal, but having these addition delicious side dishes are an extra cost and sometimes exclusive at different venues is annoying.

• One artist tried it, but they actually turned the costume down. Edit: Correction, the Bat shaped chest window was almost the batgirl costume for Batman and Robin

• alternates should be original Nightwing costume,90s mullet,and Earth 2 Robin

• You saying they wouldn't just give Barbara Gordon absurd cleavage? Heck - they could even redesign the outfit to have a bat-shaped chest window.

• How about a Batgirl?  Or is the Arkham City incapable of rendering a female character without absurd cleavage.

• Well, that will be one awesome download!  Still have to finish Arkham city... 

• DON'T TAZE ME BRO! 

• I still haven't played Asylum yet :(

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