• Spider-Man 3, that's why.

• Sweet Jesus am I going to avoid this movie.

• Reminds me of Green Goblin in the face, actually..

• Kind of like the larger Jim Henson creatures, such as Gorgs or the Dinosaurs?

• Crap-on-a-stick, did Lois and Clark last that long?

• He must shop for pants at the same place Bruce Banner goes to, extra-durable for those unplanned transformations.

• He used to, but Last Temptation of Christ took care of that

• Hey, at least he does'nt sparkles while doing it. THAT would be fucking scary.

• I feel HORRIBLE about being so late on this, but I just realized that the Lizard actually looks like they took the goomba from the Super Mario Bro;s Movie and made him the villain.  http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/msbillen/BadGoomba1.jpg 

• You know I feel terrible for missing this and posting about it so late but does ANYONE not feel like they just took the goomba from the super mario bro;s movie and are making it the villain in spider man http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/msbillen/BadGoomba1.jpg.

• nah, it's just a misguided hommage to the original design, lookie here: http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/asm-6.jpg

• Good, someone already said it, so I didn't have to. ...yep, Goomba was the first thing I thought of... maybe after Koopa himself, when I thought "no, that's not quite it..."

• Isn't that a Goomba from the MArio movie?

• Oh who gives a fuck. It looks like a humanoid lizard. My expectations are satisfied.

• I'm not a fan of it, but I can see why... giving him a full shout would require piles of cgi to make it look believable.  Now why Spider-man's suit shows off his junk, I'm not sure the reason for that... well, aside from awkward, unwanted eyecandy.

• I vote for an unknown child of Lord Voldemort and his snake Nagini.

• Haha, I was totally thinking Goomba.

• This movie is bad news. That lizard looks fucking retarded. The new suit design is unnecessary and lame. Dude who plays Spidey doing his best nerd gush at a con was over the top. Add to all that the fact that WE HAVE TO SIT THOUGH ANOTHER GODDAMN ORIGIN STORY and it equals fuck this movie. Seriously, my gramma knows how Spidey got his powers, can we just move on to the good stuff and stop making every superhero movie costume with basketball rubber?

• When you sleep, Willem DaFoe comes into your bedroom and watches you. Then he leans in really close and smells your hair.

• Walk tall! Be proud! GO GOOMBA!

• Sure, why not. There's porn of everything else.

• He looks like Reptile from the later Mortal Kombat games. ><

• That six-foot tail doesn't bother you, but a snout would? Curious...

• :O! Convinced me. 

• He lacks the head ridges, but I'd throw the Silurians in there too. (from New Who)

• I get that, but I'm not sure that it really matters.  Take Snow White and the Huntsman, for instance, or Marvel 1602 if you prefer.  Both of those stories diverge greatly from previous versions of the story and characters.  In some cases, there may be only a slight connection to the original, but is it important?  SW&tH will be a good movie if it's entertaining and interesting in its own right, not in the degree to which it's similar or not to the version I grew up with.  Stories and characters evolve and change over time with different tellings, and the comic book Lizard has changed as well over his decades of stories.  I certainly have an affection for the be-snouted, lab coat-wearing, purple-pantsed Lizard, but even if this Lizard isn't even Curt Connors or isn't missing an arm, the movie will succeed or fail to the extent that it builds up a credible and compelling character on its own terms. Organic web-shooters were new for the Spider-Man movie (ok, ignoring 2099), but it worked.  Batman's suit looks very different in the movies than in the comic, but it works.  What matters is if what the movie presents is compelling and entertaining to most people, and if that means changing some things that will bother nerds, then it's still probably the right decision.

• Because there was no way in hell that Toy Biz's figure sculptors would ever be able to capture DaFoe's fucking creepy face. Although that didn't stop them from making a figure anyway of Norman Osborn...which aside from re-creating the scene of him talking to the mask, utterly fell flat in the scary face department.

• I think he would have looked better if they kept him in the black shirt, purple jeans, and torn lab coat, because otherwise the Lizard just looks kind of generic without those human elements of his tattered clothing, on the other hand this is just a promotional pic. Oh well, shame this isn't a Marvel Movie because I'm sure that if The Lizard did have purple pants, Spider-man would have made a great meta joke about it.

• I look at him and think Lizard far more then i ever looked at The Green Goblin in the first movie and said..yup that is the Green Goblin. I think this is awesome...Better looking then Bane in Dark Knight Rises

• Last Starfighter reference for the win!!!!

• Grig‼ (not muscled enough to be Killer Croc)   Was that the right answer?

• because they hate us...

• I have enough friends. Friend with gas masks and Cat goggle ears and moustaches! I DON'T NEED YOU! *holds back Bat tears*

• Thank you. I was going to say the same thing.

• wow that's a lot of text. :) I think I pretty much agree with you about balancing fan interest and general interest. if an instance of aligning to what the fans want hurts general interest it probably isn't worth it. and it works the other way too, if making a character like the fans want isn't going to hurt general interest than it's just stupid not to. that's extra money there. I think you were making this point too. yeah,  I guess smallville was always dawsons creek with (some) super powers. but I still think it could have been much more successful. I don't think making it more like the comics (or past movies or cartoons even) would have hurt the general audience because superman is much more universal than, say, daredevil. pretty much everyone who was watching it knew superman could fly even if they never opened a comic book. I think I speak for a lot of people who are wary of the lizard man design in that this isn't necessarily a problem it just an indication that they might not care about whether they are compatible with any of the source material. for the record I don't really care about this design specifically. I would care if they made the lizards origin story unrecognizable, but then again, which origin story? :)

• Yeah I totally understand, but there´s also a point in which the characters start loosing their... flavour? (Don´t know what´s the exact word to use) Being the lizard a perfect example. I don´t have any trouble at all with this image, but up to what does it stop being THE lizard and not another regular monster? At least for me the lizard is a cocodrile-man with a white coat xD And sometimes that hollywood realism kills it. 

• It's not you, it's me. I hope we can still be friends.

• Why are they rebooting Spiderman again?

• I'm going to say that this was an actor thing. Actors usually want audiences to see their faces, partly for the ego recognition of "look it's really me acting!", and partly for the practical reason that most actors act mostly with their faces. This design allows a compromise for that.

• I thought all things considered they showed some cleverness in designing the mask so that often you could see his face.

• I'm actually pretty pumped about how much he looks like Ditko's version. http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans/ASM6_Lizard.JPG Granted, some purple pants, a lab coat and the deep-throated cry of "FOLLY!" would help.

• Look, I love the Spidey comics, and there's absolutely a part of me that wants to see those comics get up off the page and dance for my entertainment.  On the other hand, I want non-comic fans to like and appreciate Spider-Man, and I want good and successful Spider-Man movies more than I want "accurate" (whatever that means in the context of adapting fictional characters from one medium to another) Spider-Man movies.   I've long ago had to accept that while I want to see guys punching each other wearing not-pajamas, the other millions of movie goers who determine whether a movie is a financial success or not, don't.  It's hard to argue with success, and the Raimi Spideys were successes (even the third one, though I think everyone agrees that there were problems).  If this movie is fun, funny, and exciting, and features Peter Parker fighting bad guys and proving that he has both power and responsibility, I'll be happy, even if the Lizard looks a bit like some versions of Killer Croc.

• .... Sigh. Just, sigh.

• Well, look.  On the one hand, is your argument that paying attention to pleasing the fans will result in increased revenue.  On the other hand is the argument that fidelity to what the fans want can turn off people who aren't familiar with the property, who make up a much larger share of the audience.   Now, I think there are times when keeping things accurate to the source material is irrelevant to non-fans.  If you called the home base of the Fantastic Four the Baxter Building or something else, no non fans will care either way, but it doesn't cost you anything to be accurate.  When it comes to other aspects of the movie, particularly character designs, some things just aren't going to work.  Maybe Daredevil's costume in the movie wasn't perfect, but it was better than simply putting Ben Affleck in spandex.  That just wouldn't have worked. Let's say there are about half a million Spider-Man fans that care about how accurate the Lizard is to his comic book version to a degree that it will affect their enjoyment of the movie.  I think that's being extremely generous, but there it is.  Those people amount, what, $5 million in ticket revenue if they don't go based on the character design?  That's just not a number that will make or break this movie's success, especially as compared with other elements of the film that will be important to much larger swaths of the audience, like the quality of the special effects, the laugh lines, the acting, etc.   Making Smallville more accurate to the comics might have drawn in a larger nerd audience, but I don't think that would necessarily have equaled success.  For one, making the nerds happy might well have required a bigger budget.  More importantly though, Smallville was always a teen drama first, and a super hero show second.  Making it a super hero show first almost certainly would have lost a significant number of viewers that really cared about the romantic subplots.    

• Ahem. I'm right here, man.

• Grig. Grig porn.

• Willem DaFoe has the scariest fucking face on Earth, so why the hell did they hide it?

• Well comic book transformation to real life is difficult.  I'm not as worried about what he looks like as much as how he acts.  If he acts like the Lizard it will be fine.  If they do another Spider-Man 2 Dr Octopus thing.....well.... On a slightly different note, what is about the Marvel universe that says if your a scientist who wears purple pants you will probably be mutating.   

• Yeah, I always actually preferred that style of Lizard, he looked much cooler for some reason. I'm just hoping Ifans really hams it up once Curt Connors transforms. I'm talking hunched posture, diabolical laughter and 'I'll get you, Ssssspider-Man'. Stop trying to make Spider-Man dark, goddammit. That's my thing.

• A shitty halloween mask would´ve been great IMHO, being Green Goblin a bit crazy and all. I imagine a mix between Dafoe and Ledger´s Joker atittude

• At least we figured out why he's so angry when he's the Lizard: He has no cash and prizes.  He had no manhood, no Big Show, no package, no scrum-diddly-umptious. Poor Lizard.  Poor, poor unich Lizard.

• I think it's ok -- let's be honest, that pic from the Spider-Man comic is not exactly the standar iteration of the Lizard . . . McFarlane kind of pushed the boundary of that in the '90s , making the Lilzard look more akin to Venom.

• It actually does look more like the original Ditko Lizard. I think I'm fine with it, as fine as I am with anything from this unnecessary reboot. I just glad the villain isn't Green Goblin again.

• Well, they could have made Osborn mutated a little so he would turn into green a face man with a scary grim. Sort of Jekyll and Hyde...

• You forgot the Koopas from the Super Mario Bros movie. Looks a lot like them, too. 

• you don't think smallville would have done differently if they cared about the nerds? your complete dismissal of the very concept is just silly. just like transformers, yeah it made money, but that doesn't mean giving a crap about fans wouldn't result in more money.  the fact is, smallville ceased to be a "superman show" at some point. plus superman's popularity clearly puts it way outside the realm of just being a "nerd show" anyways. the same could be said for spiderman to a somewhat lesser degree so stuff like this probably won't kill it.

• This is why it is worthwhile to do the search for a no-name who can act and can't make stupid demands. Really the role needs three people a good voice actor, a good physical actor and a face to do the not-transformed bit.

• It's Emmrich Godzilla, all over again.

• I get not liking the GG mask from the Raimi Spider-Man, but A) would a really shitty Halloween mask really be an improvement, and B) it didn't stop the movie from being awesome and making a ton of money.

• I think fan expectations are wildly overrated.  As we were reminded yesterday, there was a Superman show on TV for 10 years that most of nerddom didn't care about.  That should forever put to rest the idea that fidelity to the source material as a means of enticing fans is really important.

• GOOMBA!!!! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090731073608/mario/images/8/82/Movie_Goomba.jpg

• It reminds me of the original version of Reptile from Mortal Kombat

• Thanks for that, but I was in the military for 20 years.  I've actually sat across from worse.  But not by much.

• To be honest- he probably wouldnt look as bad-- if  he had on the purple pants and lab coat-- thats actual even more essential to the character for me.

• I nominate Louis Gossett Jr. from Enemy Mine. 

• He's already growing a TAIL, I think audiences could deal with a snout, too.

• Between this and Bane, I guess The Avengers is the only thing I have to look forward to now...

• The Lizard should have a snout.  I guess the actor's contract states that they can't make him completely unrecognizable in lizard form.  But, add a snout and the design would work quite well.

• are you saying this movie about a guy who acquires the equivalent abilities of a spider and also creates an artificial spider web formula and fights a man who turns into a lizard-man could be unrealistic?!? My monocle just popped off and shot clear across the room ;) you're right though, the less that changes the more believable it is. but I think meeting fan expectations is much more important in this case. even people who have seen a little of the more recent cartoons would be confused by the look.

• So he can grow a big ass tail complete with the muscle and nerve systems but Ifans can't stand having his face replaced? This is the same type of crap that had Macguire pulling off his mask at every available opportunity in the Raimi movies.

• I saw this on Facebook and someone commented on the pic with something like "Well, I'm glad that Voldemort has found work after the Harry Potter series."

• but he did have nards!

• I like it. It's hard to translate comics to something that is supposed to be "real life". I think they did a good job.

• Manimal did that already. Sadly Simon McCorkindale is now dead. =[

• You poor poor man,having to sit across from <i>that</i> while you're trying to eat no less.

• They all look like my ex mother-in-law, in the middle of the traditional Thanksgiving bourbon fueled rage rant.  So, I'm pretty meh on it.

• Huh. It does look more like Croc. Except Croc has a bigger build, mind. But one thing to keep in mind - Connors morphs into a lizardman. Were he to have a snout, this would mean that physically, he would have to be growing new bone mass when he transformed. With that in mind, I get why they did it this way. (and I just realized I shot myself in the foot given the ENTIRE POINT of the lizard formula is regeneration.)

• The blurry leaked images from the comic-con trailer seemed to indicate a snout. I think the angle of this pic obscures any possible snout. I like it but it could be fake (but a good one).

• Sigh. http://springfieldfiles.com/sounds/flanders/calmned.mp3

• As a small consolation, at least it isn't a shitty unchangeable metal mask like a previous green Spidey villain. Still, I think the designers ran into the designers of a rejected Killer Croc sketches and got their papers mixed up.

• SwampThing after a serious pruning.

• Does no one remember how the Lizard used to look in the comics?  Flatter face, more humanoid overall in appearance.  I think this looks great.  Besides, if the footage shown at comic con was any indicator, this is before he mutates even further.

• Again, it's looking pretty much like the Lizard as first appeared, as he was drawn by Ditko.

• GOOMBA! From the Super Mario Bros Movie. 

• you forgot Goomba from Super Mario Brothers Movie

• I'm seeing way too much killer croc in this to like it. On the other hand, we've only seen pics from the front. Maybe the face is a little more elongated than we're seeing... maybe.

• Sleestak

• Yay Grig! Last Starfighter FTMFW. :D

• Other than a missing digit on each hand and missing snout, it looks pretty good. The face really is the thing that ruins it. It's like all those werewolf movies where the wolfman creature has no snout.

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