•  Luke didnt completely fall down a shaft at Cloud City. He was sucked into a waste chute and then slid to safety.

• Rarely done, but done more often than you'd think. https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=half+body+amputation&pbx=1&oq=half+body+amputation&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1816l5994l0l6341l20l7l0l8l8l1l796l2113l0.2.2.2.6-1l15l0&gs_l=hp.3..0.1816l5994l0l6341l20l7l0l8l8l1l796l2113l0j2j2j2j6-1l15l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=dc23e64bf9f67c96&biw=1280&bih=620 first link is especially enlightening.

• She's a Dark Jedi not a sith.

• I really think Lucas and Dave Filoni know whats up when they do Clone Wars. Phantom Menace 3-D may very well be guerilla marketing for this.

•  The same way Luke survived when he fell down the shaft in Episode 5.

•  Still funnier than Jar-Jar.

•  And what the hell's  the problem with that?

• It's bullshit because we never saw the Force have such effects in the original movies. The mot was when Luke floated 3CPO to impress the Ewoks, and he had to concentrate to do that. The Force came across as a mysterious subtle gift, where-as the Prequels and cartoons tunred it into a comic-book style telekinesis super-power.

• As always I yeild to your wisdom Dark Lord Abraxas

• You know, this is something that really bugs me about the expanded universe. Authors keep trying to de facto retcon parts of the movie canon. Palpatine dies in Return of The Jedi? He's alive thanks to the power of cloning and the Dark Side and now you have to fight him again! Boba Fett eaten by the Sarlacc? He escapes by sheer manliness and force of will! Darth Maul cut in half? He's still alive with a prosthetic lower torso and legs!

• darth maul was seen as unimportant from a certain point of view

• That's not the way I read it. Maul is treated as completely unimportant.

• The battle droids are still wildly unfunny. That they serve any kind of comic purpose remains a bad, bad move. 

• How is cushioning a fall with the Force overpowered? The show has plenty of real bullshit to be called on without inventing reasons to be annoyed, too.

• Eh? As I remember, Palps cockdrops Plagueis with the revelation that's only what he *wanted* him to think.

•  pics or it didnt happen

•  You can't randomly apply real world logic/common sense to a fantasy world such as SW.

• Also helped that he barely had to speak. I think most people would agree that glaring and pacing made his cooler than anyone who actually had to use the terrible dialog Lucas wrote.

• I would watch that movie Scene: City, nighttime during a terrible storm. A flash of lightning illuminates a figure looking down from a rooftop. Her face is hidden by a black hood. Voice over: "They thought she was dead." Beneath the figure several laughing Imperial officers enter the building. Over the door is a banner " 10 Year anniversary of Order 66 -  Jedi killers drink for free!" Voice over: "They..." The figure pulls out a lightsaber, activating it so a blade of green energy appears Voice over: "Were..." A second blade of energy appears forming the deadly dual lightsaber Voice over: "Wrong!" A Third blade appears! She is wielding a Tri-lightsabre!

•  Okay Natalie....say he survived being cut in half. How did he survive falling down a bottomless chasm? Don't say "the Force", because that's just a lazy answer. (and if it's the Force, then why didnt Palpatine stop himself from falling down the Death Star chasm?)

• Not to defend Clone Wars (because I'm not a fan) but a bad guy getting concerned when unexpected bad things start happening isn't bad writing. Darth whatever should be concerned that an unknown player has appeared, one working for its own purpose.  At best its plans may unfortunately collide with his own, at worst it may be an active rival. Remember after all, basically Darth whatever is running a long term con game on the republic. He really doesn't want someone else butting in and accidentally knocking over all the cups to reveal there is no pea under any of them.

• Well, that's basically the problem with ALL the Jedi characters not named Obi-wan or Yoda in the prequels.

•  Lucas doesn't care.  He probably didn't even care about Ahsoka; she was just an object for his Anakin-becomes-Vader story.  From Lucas' point of view, she was probably no more than the random Jedi cannon fodder. If she was more than that to people, then it was because of the people who did Clone Wars, not Lucas.  Compare it to Grievous, who people liked, and then they saw Lucas' one-note comical version in the movie itself. Or Darth Maul, who from Lucas' film was a throw-away character.  Lucas wanted a dramatic action scene, but didn't want to use his main villains, so he tossed in Darth Maul as a disposable stand-in. But, of course, it is Lucas.  If he thinks he can make a buck off it, or thinks it has growing tween and/or under appeal, he'll change things so strong that he'll rewrite his own memories.  So, if you don't want Ahsoka to die, then just get a bunch of kindergarten and young elementary students to go on about how great she is and how they want an Ahsoka movie.  Maybe Lucas would then stick her in the next remastering of the original trilogy.

• Heck, nearly 90% of the cast of the prequels are dead by the beginning of the OT, or dead by the end of it.   Almost every character that dies in fiction (movie, book, whatever) was created to die.  Longer style fiction (ie comic books) are more likely to have characters who's death may not have been predetermined. TC

• Bobba Fett was the greatest character I ever wrote.  You can't deny the fact that he didn't even have a single bad line of dialog.

•  Shhh.  You'll give away my secret.

• "A lot of people like to do certain things, but they're not that good at it. Keep going through the things that you like to do, until you find something that you actually seem to be extremely good at. It can be anything."  I still haven't found what I'm good at.

• I had seen the movie Grievous before the animated cartoon Grievous, so you can imagine my reaction when he first shows up and totally massacres Jedi ass in the Tartakovsky version. THAT should have been in the movie, it was incredible.

• Thorin didn't die!  He just went to a farm. He's happy.

• Alright, I don't get all nutbar on stuff like this too often, but I'm all for it. I don't think this was as much of a Phantom Menace promotion (a month after it's release? Not so much IMO) but this has been something they have been hinting at since last season. After the reveal that Ventress' witch clan counterparts were the tribe that Maul came from... of course they were gonna find some way to do it, and it's nice to see that this Savage Oppress character might be getting some more development through Maul. Plus I think we're gonna learn some more about Maul and with it coming from Dave Filoni & his staff it'll be good shit. To see that trauma resurrect between Obi Wan and Maul, see where that goes and maybe get an appearance from Qui Gon? Yeah I'm fine with that. The Phantom Menace may not have been the greatest thing ever, but having a writing team that gave me some love back for Star Wars tackle some of that ground instead of the stuff between EP. 2 & 3 is kinda cool. Also I've seen Grievous do some random senseless killing a lot in this series. He may not be the cyclone of death that Tartakovsky had, but it's a little more subtle and I'm fine with it. I think there's more impact when he's standing behind a character who's giving him crap and all the sudden there's a light saber coming through that guy's chest. That shit is great! 

• Lightsabers cauterize as they cut. There's nothing in the lower half of your body that you NEED to live for a few hours until you're found. Is it probable? No. Possible? Yes. I mean, look at the shape Anakin is in at the end of Episode 3 before he gets Vader-fied.

• At this point Lucas is a an old pimp still whoring out his favorite gal despite her being old, weathered, beat up, drugged-out and scarred. And he gets way with it because there are still millions of fools who will put their penises inside that old bag. The original three movies were entertaining, but for God's sakes they really weren't such gems as to have been allowed to mutant and grow like this.

• He's cool because, despite incessant whining, most Star Wars fans are still blind mice eating up any shit Lucas poops out.

• "Young Guns" was a classic?

• No way! This cartoon has taken all the bad qualities of the prequels and powered-up them up. From Original Trilogy re-tread appearances, to souped-up fancy comic-book hero-like Jedi/Sith Force control, to never-ending lightsaber fights, to belittling the Jedi Order by turning them into government appartchiks. When I saw Anakin and that annoying twat jump off a high ledge and land safely by using the Firce to cushion their fall, that's when I stopped watching that shit.

• You'd think Cartoon Network, the channel this actually airs on, would have been airing teaser ads for this instead of Level Up and that sports award show like they've been doing since November. DC Nation too. BTW, the sports awards show got beat by the network premiere of Planet 51 that was barely advertised days before it aired. That said,  this does look interesting to say the least.

• I had seen the movie Grievous before the animated cartoon Grievous, so you can imagine my reaction when he first shows up and totally massacres Jedi ass in the Tartakovsky version. THAT should have been in the movie, it was incredible. 

• well crafted pandering 

• Marry Me?

• DAMN

• Qui Gooooooooooooooooooooon! Darth Mauuuuuuuuuuuuuuul! Obi Waaaaan!  And Qui Gon! Qui Gon Qui Gon Qui Gon Darth Maul Qui Gon Qui Gon Qui Gon Darth Maul

• That's like saying John Dies at the End is a terrible book because it created a specific character that the author chose to die. I like to think this is better than the latest of R.A. Salvatore's work, considering certain..protagonists coming back from the dead, but at least R.A Salvatore had talent.  Lucas is more like the frat boy who got lucky making this one awesome film that everyone loves, but who's actual love and thought put into it were by his nerdy, geeky friends that probably wish he'd stop raping the canon already. 

• It isn't as if he can go out like less of a bitch than he did the first time.

•  Don't forget that this is the same universe where monks can survive as brains in jars.

•  I'd say it's worth a watch. It's kind of a mix of wicked action and some silliness, but it's well balanced, IMO. Kids like it, but we can dig it, too. Maybe not as groundbreaking or astounding as Tartakovsky's, but better than the movies. LOL

•  I agree - it doesn't take away from anything. In fact, I'm kind of envious of my son. He's getting these characters as largely fleshed out and well-rendered parts of the Star Wars universe. When he watches "Revenge of the Sith", Order 66 (which he already knows about) is actually going to mean something.

•  That original animated Grievous was really the best of them (that series was just a breath of fresh air anyway), though I also like the one that shows up in the video games. As silly as he comes off in the movies, he's like a wild blender of destruction in the games. Hell, even in the Lego game he's badass. But this one isn't too, too bad.

• See my response above, from the other time you mentioned this point. I don't know about it being "horrible"... At least no more horrible than, say, John Carpenter writing that Roddy Piper's character dies in the end of "They Live", or Tolkien writing the death of Thorin Oakenshield into "The Hobbit".  And just because we know they're going to die, doesn't mean stories about their lives up until their deaths aren't interesting. It just seems so negative to say, "Well, I know he'll die in the end, so I don't care about anything else that happens to him." I mean, we all know you and I are going to die in the end, too... But I like to think that all that filler in-between birth and death is <i>somewhat</i> interesting; Don't you?

• I really like Cad Bane. He's just a great character all-around. Voice, looks, attitude; Everything about him is just engaging. 

• I've never understood this attitude.  When you read or watch "Dracula" you know the character of Dracula is doomed. The story is still wonderful. In "I Am Legend" (the book) the main character was created by the author for the express purpose of dying in the end. That's the whole point, and yet the book is still amazing. When you watch the 80s classic "Young Guns" you know Billy the Kid will get shot in the back by Pat Garrett eventually... Does that make his life story any less interesting? When you watch "Tombstone", if you know anything about history, you know Doc Holiday will succumb to his disease before the end of Wyatt's story. Watching Doc on screen is still entertaining as hell and fascinating to behold. For that matter, we know Wyatt dies in January 1929, yet it's still cool to see his story unfold.  In the upcoming "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter", you KNOW Abraham Lincoln is destined to be assassinated by John Wilkes Booth. Does that mean you should just skip the movie (and book) because nothing else matters? <b>The journey is the interesting part of the story</b>. If knowing a character is destined to die ruins the story for you, then I highly suggest you stay away from anything more challenging than Power Rangers. 

• It gets worse if you read the Darth Plagius novel in which Maul is sort of a nuisance the other Sith get saddled  with – a blunt instrument that has no real purpose or role in their plans.

• Ok. I want everyone to look at this. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111116043718/starwars/images/thumb/0/01/Maul_in_two.jpg/758px-Maul_in_two.jpg No one, anywhere, ever, has survived that. I don't care it's science fiction, there's a lot grounded in reality, and up until this point I thought GETTING CUT IN HALF was included. I'd also like to take a moment to say that I'm not a prequel hater. I thought they were alright and added onto the Star Wars mythology in a good way. Sure, they could have been better, but they are what they are. But this is something different. This is like if Lucas had it turn out that  Jango didn't actually kill Zam Wessell, it was just a knock out dart, and she shows up again in the show when the second movie is in theaters. Like, wasn't the whole point of Savage Opress to be a Darth Maul stand in so that we wouldn't have this exact thing happen? I can accept he has a brother. Fine, cool. Lots of people have brothers. But you mean to tell me HE SURVIVES THIS http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111116043718/starwars/images/thumb/0/01/Maul_in_two.jpg/758px-Maul_in_two.jpg LONG ENOUGH to find someone that make him an entirely new cyborg lower body?!

• Don't forget the Droids episodes I found the Tartakovsky episodes boring and pointless, no character development and the barest thread of a plot. The Clone Wars occassionally has a point to the story and characters.

• That depends what you mean by "badassery".  If you mean killing, then yeah, there's tons of that. Clones die left and right, as do plenty of innocent civilians.  If you mean cool fights, then yeah, there are some good ones.  If you mean gore, then no- Not so much. Most of the kill shots are out-of-frame. Most, but not all. There have been plenty of times when we've seen clones and bad guys get blasted, beheaded, stabbed through the middle, and maimed pretty decently. Of course, since it's usually lightsaber damage, there's no blood because of the whole "cauterizes as it slices" thing.  I like the show. It has some great stories (especially, as Big Jim Slade says, the Clone-centric ones) and Anakin is far, far more interesting and likable in this series. You really see why he was a hero of the Republic and Obi-Wan's friend. You also see why the 501st respects him and follows him.  And Ahsoka Tano has become quite the little badass. She's damn near bloodthirsty in some episodes. 

• Everyone is destined to die - I did have a problem with the "Wise Jedi Council" sending a 14 year old girl to fight in a war.

• Clearly the character is named for Ashoka the Great who conqured India around 250BC and was set to do a reverse Alexander the Great but then turned his back on warfare and conflict.

• Granted. It's a sliding scale. When you share the screen with Jar-Jar and baby Anakin, your coolness factor goes way up in comparison if you can just pull off NOT being annoying. 

• Except Fett didn't kill anybody. He took the frozen Han without a fight and he hung out in Jabba's palace. That was it.  At least Maul got to really fight and speak.

• I feel like I need a slide rule or a flow chart to figure out which characters are alive and dead at which point in which continuity. Not to mention their backstories. I finally caught up on those old Clone Wars trade paperbacks and realized that nothing in there ties into any other version of the Clone Wars. For instance, pretty much the only consistent feature of Ventriss is that she's bald.

•  You don't need Maul for that when you have the crazy anorexic white face lady whose name I can't remember because she's already dead by Episode 3.

• Is it just me or does it feel like someone(s) at Lucas studios actually watched Red Letter Media's Star Wars prequels reviews?  It just feels like the Clone Wars series have been addressing (by way of backtracking) a lot of the critiques RLM brought up in their reviews.  For example, this Return of Darth Maul story arc might address how Obi Wan Kenobi can say 'Sith Lords are our specialty.' at the beginning of the Anakin/Obi Wan vs. Count Dooku duel in Revenge of the Sith, even though Anakin & Obi Wan lost badly to the last Sith Lord they faced in Attack of the Clones.

• More bullshit from Lucasfilm in order to sell more toys. This crap has gotten out of hand. I'm going to go watch The Empire Strikes Back and cry myself to sleep.

• Why am I the only one who has a problem with Lucas creating a character who even before her creation was destined to die?!

• Darth Maul is not to be questioned, if he creates a new variation for Lucas' ideas where Darth Maul kills everyone and renders the entire series useless, I won't mind. Also am I the only who finds it mildly horrible to know that Lucas has created a character in this show with the express plan of having her killed at some point if not during order 66?

• I condone any action that brings us more of the only two good things to be found in episode one; Darth Maul And Qui-Gon Jin.

• Well Maul would fit more as Noob, but only if he had a brother who started acting just like he did only with a tattoo over his eye. OH MY GOD THIS IS MORTAL KOMBAT 

• Just the legs?

•  *cough*Boba Fett*coughcough*

• Can't wait until he gets cut in half vertically in his first and only episode.

• Dooku: "Something is rising...something sinister...I have an erection."

• I'm honestly looking forward to this.  I mean, if they make the resurrected Maul even half as awesome as he was in that non-canon Star Wars Visionaries comic, I'm all for it.  They already went with that design for Maul.  And Sam Witwer is doing the voice.  And Maul has a singular death-on for Obi Wan.  This all sounds just about right to me.

• "At last we will kill the Jedi. At last we will have revenge (FOR MY LEGS)."

• Cool is relative, and when you've been sitting through Episode 1 you'll latch onto the first cool thing you see. Compared to the rest of Episode 1? Darth Maul is cool.

• Overall, I really like it.  There are still a bunch of political (Padme themed) episodes that are boring, and there are still some stupid Jar Jar themed episodes (though they pretty much play those off as humor).  The jedi-centric episodes are pretty good, but really any episode that centers around the Clone Troopers is quality.  They are usually the best of the series.  I really watch the show for the Clone Trooper episodes.  I love me some Captain Rex, and when he inevitably bites it, I will be sad. 

• To this day I don't understand the big whoop about Darth Maul. The guy is a nothing character that serves NO purpose other than to kill Liam Neeson. There was NO interesting character there, no point, stupid over choreographed fighting and a design straight off the back of a 14 year old's math homework.

• Quits the order? But either way, if she became a Knight, that would make Anakin a Master (and, come to think, might actually help explain his resentment in Episode 3, but still....) I've been banking on her and Rex dying. Heck - Rex's days have been numbered ever since they explicitly namedropped his future replacement, Appo.

• Well, Ventress herself is based on the discarded Sith Apprentice design before they decided to go with Dooku in Episode 2. And isn't Cad Bane based on an old piece of concept art for the original trilogy or something? Lucasfilm does a GREAT job in letting no awesome concept art go to waste.

• Have to agree I'm optimistic for Maul. At first, when they introduced Opress, I was all "Alright, Darth Maul's brother....okaaaaaay.....I'm skeptical here" and then they did a really good job of making it work. And then they blindside you with the "Oh, yeah, by the way, Darth Maul's actually alive" right before Opress' last appearance ends. So I'm looking forward to this, and hoping that we see some kind of showdown where we get a free-for-all between Opress, Maul, Ventress, and Tyrannus going on. (That, and hopefully it's not too late to reintroduce Durge. That guy was badass as hell in the original Clone Wars series.)

• Right, but the toy later produced as well at the lightsaber handbook implied that he can take it apart at will. Also, he he was still swinging both blades after they were cut in two. He only has one now.

• so, somebody inform my ignorant ass: is this show worth watching? Is it more badassery than slapstick bullshit? More like Tartakovsky than, well, whatever the prequels were?

• The Clone Wars does a consistently great job of making dramatic storylines that are plausible for the Star Wars universe, while also being more enjoyable than half of the actual prequel films. Also, I am *really* excited about how they are using the old concept art for Maul in some of the Darksisters designs. Absolutely the right way of doing things.

• Definitely agree with you there. Maul was the most fleshed out, dramatic character in all of TPM and part of this was because he was so calm, cool, and quiet. But then again, losing one's legs might put one on edge.

•  Jar-Jar slipping on crap?

•  Damn it, beaten to the punch.

•  You and me both. I'd sell my soul to Vecna if he could somehow retcon Tartakovsky's Grievous into being the only portrayal, even in the movies. Too bad I already pledged my soul to Abraxas in return for being blessed with the ability to torture Rob.

• Obi-wan cut his double bladed light saber in half in Phantom Menance.

• Already has more lines than in the entire Episode 1...

• Should I be watching this? I mean i have a high Colonic scheduled that day.....

• I'm looking forward to the ineviatble Ahsoka Tano killing of Darth Maul so she can get her insta-promotion to Jedi Knight and be written out of the story before Episode III, most likely because she quits the order just like her Inida name inspiration. Admittedly there's been a mix of good bad and stupid episodes of Clone Wars, but I do love me some Wars.

• It looks like maybe the Infinities story where he hunts Obi-Wan down on Tatooine may become canon. His design in the Clone Wars is straight out of that comic. Which also means it's possible he may make frequent appearances in the TV show, since he doesn't die until long after the Great Jedi Purge.

• I don't know...didn't seem like Darth Maul much to me. Too much talking. I'm also wondering what happened to his double bladed sword? I thought the canon was that it was designed to split into two, but I've seem some other promotional stuff with him on his new legs and he always just has the one saber...but his brother has a double one now.

• Noob Saibot?

• The funny part is that there was a third brother.  He is dead now.

•  The show, for me, has its ups and downs, and I am somewhat optimistic about Darth Maul's revival. The only thing I miss is the badass mofo' Greivous from Tartakovsky's animated series. Here, he just seems like a joke...

• Looking at Darth Maul, looking at Savage Opress... There needs to be a third brother with blue-on-black tattoos.  And then Savage Opress gains a new move where he throws a harpoon at people and shouts, "get over here!" and the new brother (Evil McBadman) has ice powers, and Darth Maul is a rumor based on a glitch for years before they make him a totally broken and unbalanced new character.

• So the taloned robotic goat-legs and lengthened horns are G-Canon now? Hmmmmmm?

• People can complain all they want. The Clone Wars has done a very good job of fixing Lucas' misfires (the battle droids are comic stooges and much less annoying, for one), so I don't have a problem AT ALL with this. As long as they don't screw this up and kill him off too soon, it'll be great.

• it's a lucas production. what did you expect?

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