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This is a real thing that's happening in a comic being released tomorrow, in 2012, and somehow not a DC comic from 1968 or something.
I have no idea of the circumstances leading Cap to get nominated or his acceptance, and I don't care to, because this just sounds really, really dumb. If it ends up being the best story ever, please let me know, and maybe I'll give it a try, but... christ. Even Ultimate Cap-Wolf would be better than this. Oh, it'd be just as dumb, but at least it'd be fun.
For the record, I appreciate how Marvel is trying to get new readers by getting these announcements in mainstream publications, but are these not at the expense of actual comics readers? Hell, even if fans don't read the papers themselves, the nerdernet picks it up and eventually some site spills the beans, and the spoiler is spoiled unless the fans simply refuse to go on the internet from like Monday until they pick up their issues. I don't know what the solution is here, but surely there are other ways to attract new readers that aren't at the expense of the current ones. (Via Newsarama)
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Well, if he's overlooking diplomatic negotiations I'd say he would have a golden opportunity to punch bad people *ba-dum-tisch*
I've read odds and ends of Ultimates and just got that vibe from him, but I haven't properly sat with Millar's run. I'll give it a read.
Oh, I know. I was talking about Ultimate Cap too. I stand by what I said: he's nothing even approaching a Conservative cliche. In fact, when written like he was in Millar's original Ultimates, he's a very nuanced, sympathetic character. Apparently, though, if one repeats it enough, "Ultimate Cap is a dick" becomes true despite all the textual evidence to the contrary.
I'm talking about Ultimate Cap, not 616. Almost all the Ultimate characters are more cliche or extreme versions of their 616 counterparts. 616 Cap can be my president any day.
Not sure if it was noted, but basically in a divided-up America, there's a recall of the current president going on. That guy ordered Cap not to help anyone and stay out of disputed territory. He quit and went in anyway. When people saw the news reports (all this happening on election day) they wrote his name in and he won (apparently in this recall anyone could run or be written in).
Before the jump, I kept thinking..."Okay, which C-lister is gay NOW?" But this is somewhat sillier. But how can Steve Rogers punch all bad people in the world one at a time if he's too busy outlining policy and overlooking diplomatic negotiations?
I am but it does nothing for me, Miles is very much Peter lite, and I still am not a fan of the fact that he is 13 years old. I can accept a 16 year old Peter being a superhero, he can explain it away, There is no way to explain where Miles is after hours, or if he gets hurt or anything like that. I like the idea of Miles but they should have given him a different personality and made him older.
Show me anyone who says they wouldn't have voted for Lex in 2000 and I'll show you a dirty liar.
{{If somebody wrote a comic where Prof. X was a gun-toting redneck, it would be dismissed as idiotic and "non-canon".}} I fully confess I might actually read that comic. Because it sounds unspeakably awesome. I realize, this makes me part of the problem.
The UU has weathered far, far worse than its current books, and didn't collapse. If it can survive Loeb, it can probably survive anything.
omg, ultimate cap-wolf. i need to read that now. right now. Marvel - ur up. so i ultimate cap is president, do the ultimate republicans try to stop everything he does? the ultimate tea baggers (original name for the tea party from what im told)? ok, ill stop being a jerk now.
How so? How is Cap a Conservative cliche, I mean. He's not racist. He has no apparent opinion on homosexuality or abortion. He is nothing but progressive when it comes to women's rights. His most prominent characterization by any competent writer is a somewhat serious and extremely lonely soldier whose heart is only ever in the right place, not the crazed religious nutcase that the term "Conservative cliche" would imply these days. So I'm afraid you'll have to clarify.
Cite some lines, then. Go ahead, take a look. Trust me, he doesn't. I've read Millar's Ultimates many a time, and Cap makes no references to "the gays" at all. Is Cap out of touch? Oh, definitely. He's out-of-touch, old-fashioned, and very, very lonely. But he's neither of the negative qualities that you listed above. Now, there were two series - The Ultimates 3 and Ultimate Comics Captain America - where he was portrayed as one or two of these things. But both are awful, and both horrendously misread Millar's original writing of the character. If somebody wrote a comic where Prof. X was a gun-toting redneck, it would be dismissed as idiotic and "non-canon". So why did these comics influence the internet's perception of Ultimate Cap so heavily? I think people just like hating on the character at this point, honestly.
But... Ultimate Cap is a horrible, horrible Conservative cliche. So I guess it's just like if Romney ends up winning.
(I'd like to think I actually managed to trump your disturbing implications with my subtly disturbing insinuations, there. And yours involved monster cannibalism. :) )
That's the only one I'm reading. This happens every time Marvel spins out a new imprint, eventually it collapses under its own weight because the only sturdy support book holding it up is Spider-related. Ultimate, MC2, 2099.
Sure he does! Ultimates vol 1 had several lines... and the write Mark Millar himself says he wrote Cap that way... like an out of touch loon grandpa.
So you blame Bendis, who writes one book in the Ultimate universe? And it's the one Ultimate Universe title that is almost universally held in high regards? I guess you can blame if if you want, but he's only responsible for a small slice of it. If anyone peed in the pool, it was Loeb.
As long as ultimate comics: spiderman is untouched then I'm all g. I dont wanna see captain america running around on my miles morales
He's not even remotely racist, never says a word about homosexuality, and...yeah, is uncomfortable with modern media. But you would be too, if the television and film you were used to seeing were as squeaky-clean as it was in pre-WWII era and you went from that to now. I swear, Ultimate Cap is the single most misunderstood character in comics.
DE12 is right. Cap calls Hulk a "sissy" - there's nothing sexuality-related in that comment, he's just calling a creature that has demonstrated a major inferiority complex and a great love of its own strength weak. Hulk reads into that as gay. It says something about Hulk, and maybe something about Millar, but nothing about Cap.
Yeah, except Bendis is pulling out the strongest writing of his entire career on Spidey (and legitimately crafting a new aspect of Spider-man mythology in the process), The Ultimates was until very recently one of Marvel's most wide-scope, epic books on the shelf, X-men has recently become an urgent and intense war for the very existence of mutankind told using small-scale character writing.... The Ultimate Universe has seen a major renaissance of late. Its ship is far from sailed.
Except he isn't a goddamn.... Y'know what? Sure. Fine. He's a dick. The rest of the internet ignores all the nuanced character building he got in first two Ultimates volumes and has been getting as of late and just goes along with the popular "hurr durr Ultimate Cap's a racist thug" interpretation, it's too much effort to correct it everywhere. If you can even call it an interpretation. Which you can't, because it's basically ignoring blind any evidence to the contrary. Trust me, Ultimate Cap isn't the dick everybody makes him out to be.
"This is a real thing that's happening in a comic being released tomorrow, in 2012, and somehow not a DC comic from 1968 or something. " Or 2000, when they made Lex Luthor president...
1. Because Marvel (and DC, with the equivalent character in the form of Superman) have already written many well-reasoned stories about why this is a dumb, dumb idea, 2. See #1.
well. you'll probably regret asking, but here it is... Alpha is Spider-Man's new "sidekick". the way they set it up is an experiment Spider-Man was doing at work went wrong and gave this random douchebag kid powers so now he feels responsible for him and is trying to mentor him as a hero, but so far the kid is just a completely unlikable fame hungry asshole. my theory, for a lot of various reasons that would take too long to explain, is that this is just like Spider-Man's douchebag wrestling for money phase and that they're going to turn Spider-Man into this kid's version of Uncle Ben, having Spider-Man die because he was a douchebag, therefore magically transforming him into a responsible hero and beyond all reason becoming the new Spider-Man. which to someone not following this probably sounds completely unbelievable, but I'm convinced and we'll all find out in December when ASM 700 comes out.
hey Rob Thanks for putting this behind a spoiler page, it's more consideration than Kotaku showed. That said this IS very stupid. maybe.....MAYBE in 616 I could see this, but Ultimate cap is a barely sane case of 1940's Roid Rage. and given the actual IN STORY state of the USA in those comics I can only see things getting slightly better and then worse.....on one side though it may actually help the mutants to have Cap directing policy....
Actually, I had to walk away and come back halfway through posting my reply. Stoopid work. Didn't see your edit. So who's Alpha?
And Black Widow was a SHIELD agent loooooong before Ultimates anyway - or, at least, she was some type of government agent after defecting.
well yes, actually it does, because I edited that post before you even asked your question. anyway, now you know, right? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Oh come on. Going back and editing your comment from "No they didn't, check again" to clarifying your original post doesn't count. Some of us don't read MU stuff and have no idea who Alpha is.
They should just come out with these stories the day AFTER the book comes out, not before. Give the readers a chance to see it first.
them making Captain America president, something they have never actually done before (don't tell me those 2 issues of What If from 20 years ago count, they don't, if you've read them you know why), is probably not the best example for you to use when trying to make a comparison to unoriginal movie remakes though, is it?
I'll pretend with you if you'd like. CAPTAIN AMERICA FOR PRESIDENT? CLEARLY MARVEL IS JUST TRYING TO BRAINWASH US WITH THEIR LEFTY LIBERAL PROPAGANDA AGAIN! I WOULD TOTALLY STOP READING THE WHOLE ULTIMATE LINE IN DISGUST IF IT WOULDN'T BREAK UP MY COLLECTION!
