Hmmmm there is alot of child abuse in these films. Especially a 14 yr old being sold as a wife. Should be perfect for HBO. One of my favorite book series.

ADD nudity?!? Not to that series. Now I'm far from prudish, but they are going to have to take some out some of the lewdness or they won't be able to show it on TV. At least tone down the incest. Yuck.

At least some dwarf will get a paycheck for a while.

I don't think it's possible to condense a book in that series into an HBO season of 12-15 episodes. If they do, it's going to be very abridged. I'd still watch. I'd sign up for HBO specifically for it.

Nudity and sex will not be an issue. The rape on the other hand, that might not bode well.

I'm still waiting for HBO to greenlight a series for "The Invisibles". Up until a handful of the last issues, that thing is PERFECT for an HBO series.

"If HBO meddles in anyway, it'll probably be to add some sex and nudity to the series, assuming Fire and Ice doesn't have any already"

HAHAHA.

More like have to clamp down on all the nudity, rape, incest and general whoring.

A Song of Ice and Fire is the best series of books I've ever read, and I read -constantly-.

I'm excited about the series, but people really should read the books.

I've read the first 4 books, there's plenty of sex in them. Way more than in a usual fantasy book. And there's hardly any "magic" in the first one, so don't expect dragons until at least the second season ;)

I agree, this it the BEST book EVAR for serious fantasy fans. I mean, you have Tolkien which is all "young child of the kindly west" on the one end, and THIS SHIT on the other end. The most excellent book, with so much depth do it you'll be praying for the health of the author, like I do every day (since the series is still unfinished).

Tolkein is a poor comparison to Martin...the similiarities are superficial: a little magic, a few dragons, pre-industrial technology. The more appropriate comparison is between Martin and Shakespeare: a serious character drama about power, futility, revenge, human frailty, misery, tragedy, and resilience. Martin's writing is very, very dark; In the past, he has described the overall theme that permeates most of his work as "Reality's search and destroy mission against romance". That's about exactly right. If HBO can pull this off, the pilot's gonna have you walking around in a daze for week.

this would be great—I think most fantasy series would work better as a series than as a movie; there's more opportunity to do it justice. Although, these are pretty epic books, I think they may have to consider two seasons per book. Plus, if Martin's planning 7 books, HBO is going to need to give him time to come up with them all.

It's "Ice and Fire" not "Fire and Ice."

"Fire and Ice" is an Yngwie Malmsteen album.

Hm...see how that turns out I guess :o

I've read the first 3 books.

Fuck 'em, they suck. They are like someone got hopped up on cocaine and re-wrote the 'War of the Lions' saga while watching Japanese rape hentai. There is a bunch of rape (even a virginity raping of a 14 year old girl), massive incest, pointless murder, and bleak drama. These books are like trying to cum while coming off a heroin binge.

None of the characters are remotely endearing; and the few that are end up murdered for no reason. This is a book with no heroes to root for.

George R. R. Martin can eat a fat dick. What, no, that fat fuck would probably trying to eat it for real.

Let me guess Jay, you loved Jordans books didn't you..? Either that or you're just a troll and I've gone fishing..

I love the thought of seeing his books made into a series by HBO. I've absolutely devoured everything else they've made the last five years. Can't wait!

This guy Jay is a real piece of shit. The books are the best ever and HBO will make it awsome onscreen to.

This guy Jay is a real piece of shit. The books are the best ever and HBO will make it awsome onscreen to.

This Jay guy is a real dickhead. He either didn't really read the books or is just an ignorant piece of shit. The books are the best ever and HBO will make an awsome onscreen version of theem i'm sure.

Martin's work is amazing; it is dark, unpredictable and the characters and action is all very real. For Jay to read three books in the series and not like it is incredible...that is 3000 pages. And to say there are no characters to root for is wrong...there are definitely several that stand out so you can take your pick. But you'll have no idea how they will turn out (if you have not read the books of course).

HBO is perfect for the violence, sex and length of this series. Should be awesome.

Oh, I watched Legend of the Seeker on CW the other day...horrible. Looked like something they made 10 years ago with a shitty budget and really bad actors.

Wow, Jesse.

I'm a Dickhead.

Ouch. That's brutal. How will I ever recover?

I'd actually get into a point-on-point with you over why I dislike the books... but I doubt you would care or listen.

Tom, I'll be honest. I read the first 2 and part of the 3rd. I got 'recommended them highly' so I invested in the first 3 in the series so I could get free shipping from Amazon. Poured through the first 2 in utter frustration because the first book was such a downer, I thought the second might avenge some of the wrongs made. I ended up more frustrated.

Honestly, there are some characters to root for... but they never win, they aren't involved in anything important, or they just don't keep likable agendas. Jon Snow, Tyrion, and Arya Stark were cool... but they didn't have stories that really went anywhere in the first 2 books.

In the end, it is all a matter of opinion.

In case you didn't know a company called Valyrian Resin has made mini busts based on this series of books. They are highly detailed great looking pieces. Here's a link to the site http://yhst-59202637827545.stores.yahoo.net/index.html
I believe they also sell them on Entertainment Earth's site.

Well...

Obviously these books suck ass and will make a HORRIBLE series on HBO. I look forward to rooting against them.

Does anybody have any f***ing clue why a dance with dragons keeps getting pushed back? I'ts getting kinda old now...

I AM A SAD AND LONELY LITTLE MAN WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN PUTTING DOWN GOOD BOOKS

The series fucking rocks! If you want the same tired, old fashioned, formulaic, predictable stories, go pick up a David Eddings novel. They're great for what they are... But Jordan simply delivers so much more! This is going to be great!

I'm guessing Jay likes a simpler story, something where the good guys are all tall and clean shaven and the bad guys all wear black hats.

Martin's work is so good because no character is good, no character is evil, there is no black and white, it is all shades of grey. It is not predictable, main characters die, change, do things you do not want them to do, just like real people.

It is the difference between Batman and Superman. Superman is perfect, invulnerable (kryptonite), and always good. Batman is flawed, just a dude in a cape with clever gear, and sometimes has darker motivations.

You may like superman, but most people find his perfection boring, they prefer the real human struggle of Batman because he is both more realistic and more relatable.

As for not having anyone to root for, you do, they're called the Starks. Sure, they don't have the best luck, but are you the type of fairweather fan that turns on your team when they're down 14 points in the fourth quarter?

Grow up Jay, Grow up.

chris said it

I really enjoyed the books 1-3, have read them 4 times now. Am dissapointed in the 4th book and the late coming of the 5th book.

That said, this will make an excellent HBO series. I am surprised that none of these posts have compared the HBO series "Rome" to this proposed series. It is a character story, with lots of "war", but focused on the main characters. As was said, many are not good or evil, but somewhere inbetween, depending on their situation. Without dragging this out, I think the intrigue of Rome was what made that series. The backstabing, the brutal polotics, etc...very similar to what Fire & Ice could be. I am worried about the creature effects, something Rome did not have to deal with. I know they can be done, just can they be done with the budget HBO might want to use. Also, it would be missing the "buddy" characters, since I don't see any real long time pairing of any 2 characters, other than say mother and son, brother and sister. That is a big selling point in stories, especially for the "guys" in the audience.

You owe it to yourself to read these books if you haven't. There will be those who don't like them, but I know it will be 1 in 50 that don't, just like here with Jay.

I wouldn't worry about the budget for the special effects. If we're comparing it to Rome, although that show didn't have anything like creatures to worry about, it did have a 100 million dollar budget per season. I'm sure they'll be able to not only pull it off, but do a swell job too.

I Hope it gets picked up. I loved Rome. There's nothing better than sex, violence and shades of gray as far as television entertainment goes.

As thrilled as I am with the possibility of an HBO series of ASOIAF, I don't know that it's really worth investing the time and money into. At the rate he's going I find it questionable whether GRRM will ever finish the series before he dies. I don't know if you've seen how he looks, but he's no spring chicken. He's not too old really, but he could probably use a good diet and some exercise in order to increase his lifespan a little.

Leave it all in! Rape, incest etc etc..... And who says it's under age sex/child porn anyway?? It's a period piece as much as it is fantasy and 14 year old virgins getting sold off to solidify an alliance was common practice.
I hope the show the dwarf fucking one of his whores too. It's about time dwarves got a little on screen action.

Add nudity? You definitely have not read the books. They are over-loaded with gratuitous sex. If HBO adds sex, then it will air at 2 a.m. with a porn-soundtrack. It will satisfy the odd nut that enjoys midgets with prostitutes and 14 year old bride/sex-slaves. Books 1 through 3 are quite well-written. I am still plodding through number 4. Number 4 makes me doubt Martin's ability to create a satisfying resolution to the series.